LittleBigPlanet to Embarrass Xbox Live (Devs Angry at Microsoft's Live Policy)

Gameplayer has spent two days with LittleBigPlanet and its Senior Product Manager, Nick Robinson, gaining plenty of insight into what gamers can expect. It includes a look at why the game would not work on Xbox 360, and goes on to suggest that its success may force Microsoft's hand regarding their policy on user-generated content.

"We broached the subject of the Xbox 360 with Nick and whether LittleBigPlanet could function as desired on the format: the answer was a disappointed shake of the head. Echoing thoughts we heard from Epic Games Mark Rein last year regarding the issues they faced with wanting mods available for the Xbox 360 version of Unreal Tournament III (which subsequently resulted in a delay), and the frustration shown more recently by the developers of N+, Microsoft's Draconian – and frequently hypocritical (seems to be ok in Halo 3 and Forza 2) – restrictions on user-generated content is proving to the be Live's Achilles' Heel."

[Forbidden_Darkness]

Why limit peoples imaginations and creations by not letting them show them? Thats exactly why LittleBigPlanet will be the best game ever, because its lets you create your imaginations and show them off to others. I wonder what Micro$ofts lame excuse is for not letting people be creative?

[n4gzz]

dirty little sackboy picture at front !!

[castags]

because they would want to charge you and if a user was selling it they would want royalty fees

[theKiller]

already excels xbox live in some things!

now i ask the 360 owners, what r the things 360 better than ps3?

online: they r both equal if not psn better for devs

games: ps3 has better games or at worst equal, if someone disagree with me then he can bring the list

hardware: i dont even have to talk which one is better

price: ps3 is cheaper but initial price is higher than 360

ps3 is owning the 360 slowly in every aspect but i have to say right now in JRPG's 360 is owning the ps3! but the problem that all those JRPG's r average games!

why so serious b*ts??

[Mr_Bun]

I see that you are wearing your flamesuit. I completely agree with you though

[Bucky Sligo]

"online: they r both equal if not psn better for devs"
Why would that matter since we're gamers, not devs?

"ps3 has better games or at worst equal, if someone disagree with me then he can bring the list"
Are you talking about multiplat? If so then I'm afraid I can bring you a rather large list of games where the Xbox360 is on top. Exclusives are a matter of oppinion because you can't directly compare them cross-platform and I have seen GT5:P and it's NOT better than anything seen on the Xbox360.

"but the problem that all those JRPG's r average games"
How did you come to that conclusion?

"hardware: i dont even have to talk which one is better"
Fair enough

"price: ps3 is cheaper but initial price is higher than 360"
Now you are reaching at straws my friend. Any periferal is optional for the Xbox360. You are probably talking about the cost of an XBL gold subscription but it will be a couple of years before it will catch up to the PS3 price. Paying 50$ a year is nothing at all.

[theKiller]

you: "Why would that matter since we're gamers, not devs?"

me: well did u know we play devs games? and what ever make them feel good will reflect the games as well?? going by ur logic (why does it matter that the ps3 is hard to program for?? we play games we dont program!)

you: "Exclusives are a matter of oppinion because you can't directly compare them cross-platform and I have seen GT5:P and it's NOT better than anything seen on the Xbox360."

me: i was talking about exclusives and its not only a matter of opinion, because the majority have similar opinion, they wanna play new IP's or old IP's but polished to the limits which was achieved by MGS4!
i ask u did u see uncharted? or MGS4?? well tell me a game that come close to those in any aspect from 360??

me: but the problem that all those JRPG's r average games

you: "How did you come to that conclusion?"

me: because they r not bringing any innovation in the genre and barely better in graphics to ps2 games, so nothing new in other world u can just pick up a ps2 JRPG game and it will be much cheaper

you: "Any periferal is optional for the Xbox360. You are probably talking about the cost of an XBL gold subscription but it will be a couple of years before it will catch up to the PS3 price. Paying 50$ a year is nothing at all"

me: am talking about xbox live and wifi HDD HD player etc many of these OPTIONAL peripherals r standard nowadays and it comes as standard with ps3 and if u buy the new 360 premium 350$ then in just one year it will cost as much if not more than ps3 and if u always have it(if someone bought the system to play online will always have it and 12 million golden members share my point of view) it will cost u much more!

here's ur answer

why so serious??

[Montrealien]

And all we want is that one service becomes the most powerful and most used so it can stomp the competition and rule the online console gaming world! Right?!? Articles like this annoy me, the idea is that PSN makes Live want to be better and vice versa that is all, then we all win and we avoid one console/service to rule them all, cause if one does, we all lose.

I want competition and here we have yet another article tailor made for people that think their consoles are big robots fighting in the sky. I'll pass on this nonsense, let the flame farting and the pissing contest begin or continue, the comments above me seem to be already doing that...typical.

LBP seems to be an engaging twist on the platformer genre and I can't wait to play it however do I want it to be the end all be all of online create and share services for consoles so that Live can go the way of the dodo? hell no!

[theKiller]

why so serious??

[SlappingOysters]

Did you read it dude. That is pretty much what the article says. It agrees with you

That Xbox will have to change their policy if LBP is a success and thus both services will improve as a result.

[Montrealien]

Gamerzone is "serious business" gawd!

And yes I read the article and yes it agrees with me, even though you guys don't. It still doesn't change the fact that many people will do like I said. Just reading a few comments hurts my serious brain...

looks @ below

[_Q_]

"people that think their consoles are big robots fighting in the sky"

Awesome...lol....my robot is shiny...bubbles.

[MIAMIFROST]

.............:o)

[Bubble Buddy]

As Spongebob said in a drastic voice: IMAGINATIONNNNNNN!!!!

[cervantes99]

Well said my friend bubble to you!

Competition is GOOD! Without it, companies have no incentive to improve their product - just look at Madden franchise. Madden is good and all, but does it push any boundaries from year-to-year?

[Bazookajoe_83]

"But that potential could go sour, as soon as a potential buyer looks at the back of the cover and see that they will be playing with a sack!"

And that cant be said about viva pinata?

[jmorph9]

Just imagine if a virus infects all the xboxs online. They probably think it is not worth the risk, and they may be right. If a console did get infected, could it be cleaned without just reformatting the disk? No doubt they are missing functionality, but user generated content is a double edge sword.

[Rourker]

your answer . . . Microsoft doesn't own that content so they can't make money off it, and that's pretty much it. its apparently not enough that you bought their system and games that they get royalties for anyway.

[potenquatro]

and the zit ridden preteens show their age and colors. I srsly doubt one lousy game will make Live change it's model, they are very anal about this things,specialy when this model is working for them. and then the fantards start talking sh!t about wich console is ultimetly better? LOL. the agree/disagree ratio from the Sony fanboys is ridiculous. xbox is basically a good gaming OS and Sony can't do sh!t about it? how can people defend Sony like this for so long. u got a ps3? great! now get an xbox, it's only $200. be gamers. find out why Sony hasn't been able to dominate like it used to. on-topic i for one don't care about LBP, i'm more intrested in socom. off-topic if you wanna be a champion like eagle-eye get a wii. be gamers. i guess consoles are like sports cars to litle kids that are trying to compensate for something.

EDIT: wow i just read on another thread, another flamebait but from MS's fans this time LOL. i hate whe i'm tricked to go to theese flamebait articles on N4G. :(

[Pika-pie]

Every day I get more psyched for LBP. Really cannot wait for it. Looking forward to it more than anything else coming this year!!!

Cant wait for Sack-boy :)

[Saint Sony]

After that it collects dust in every home like every other overly hyped PS3 game.

Though, I'm still going to buy it.

[SkyGamer]

As I was reading an earlier post, I think one of the reasons why MS keeps Live closed is to prevent hackers and viruses. Of course on the downside, it doesn't give the flexibility of imagination. It depends on what you want more, reliable and safe - Xbox Live, or creative but risky. I mean c'mon. With web browsing and linux and open network, do you really feel that safe as hackers will abuse it since there are many users to screw around with? Is it worth the risk? Who knows.
As for killer's comments on games, that is matter of opinion as mgs4 is great but a movie nonetheless and uncharted is like who cares? OK I am being a little harsh but man do you guys draw that game out quicker than billy the kid and I heard that game was way short. Gamers and ps3 users, (yes because that is all I hear you guys say) need to get off the whole graphics make the game mindset. I agree a certain level of graphics is important, it does not make the game. FF7 was the downfall of gaming because now every developer thinks they need to have the latest and greatest graphics to "wow the crowd."
Take Halo 3 for example, not the most REALISTIC looking game, but it was fun to play. I really enjoyed it and I am not that big a fps kind of guy. It was fun though and I beat it on Legendary.
I am just waiting for the time when you will have to install Norton or to that effect on your ps3 to keep the hackers and bugs out. With only 256mb system memory, that isn't going to be pretty.

[SkyGamer]

I do not agree with charging for every little thing and that is one of the things I do not like about XBL. They need to have XNA open to everyone with a gold account instead of having to pay the 100 bucks to be a member.

XBL silver - multi-player
XBL gold - timed content and XNA

They should have it like that.

[cjp4eva]

@MAMIFROST

EHHHHH...................

[The Lazy One]

Aside from most of your points being opinions, XBL is way easier for devs.

XBL has huge support for developers that you don't see at all on PS3. Most of the coding is already done thanks to microsoft having so much background in XBL already. It's just easier to do the net programming for because most of it is already done by either other developers, or M$ itself.

[power of Green]

LOL "LittleBigPlanet to Embarrass Xbox Live"...

Who in the hell will be fucing around with games like this when Xbox gamers will be making and sharing their own games on XBL?(SOON). lol

XBL is pulling away from PSN, PSN is not catching up.

[Fishy Fingers]

Well for one, this is a one time payment. User content is free (although in future there is a possibility of charging (possibility)). Plus there is no way of rating user generated content on Live. There will be no why of knowing the quality of the game until you have paid for it.

Plus, do you actually believe someone will make anything anywhere near the quality/scale of LBP?

There are thousands of user generated games on the internet (PC), 99.99% of them are rubbish, the games on Live will be no different I imagine. The prospect of trolling through hundreds of games in the hopes of finding something semi interesting does not appeal to me.

Developers have expressed on countless occasions the troubles with MS restrictions. I'll take they're opinion over yours I'm afraid.

Still the headline and caption picture maybe a little far fetched.

[power of Green]

Once XNA/Xbox LIVE community games launches, no Xbox fan is going to care about some kiddy game where you can make "LBP" content and charge PS3 owners for the same old LBP sh*t. XBL/360 fans will be making their own work downloading/playing/reviewing community content and getting payed.

This article is a joke, XBL is light years beyond PSN. Nice pic, I was going to post one with somebody bending over as the theme of my comment.

If you think about it LBP is actually a poor mans anwser to what MSFT has announced they will be bringing for the last couple of years cooming this holiday(possibly why LBP was delayed to implement MSFT's idea's in this very limited Capacity).

User Mods vs The Dishwasher: Dead Samurai

"LittleBigPlanet to Embarrass Xbox Live"

No this Xmas LPB will seem primitive, in the community creation sense.

[Fishy Fingers]

Sorry dude, your obviously completely blinded by brand loyalty. I cant even be bothered to explain how wrong you are. Enjoy XNA.

[Rob0g0rilla]

We'll see games being deleted because they aren't being played. I really think Microsoft should be careful about the games in their catalog. Seems like they're aiming for big numbers then quality games. I'm pretty sure that out of 1,000 games that end up on Community Games, there might be only 5 that I actually purchase. And it's kind of like that now with XBLA.

It'll be overwhelmed with games that won't sell. I said this before. I hope Microsoft adds some type of quality control over the games that are on XNA. They seem like flash games were being charged for. The Dishwasher game has it written all over it.

I agree with Fishy Fingers. It's quite obvious you have an emotional attachment to Microsoft like no other. You sound so jealous. Your not even a gamer.

"If you think about it LBP is actually a poor mans anwser to what MSFT has announced they will be bringing for the last couple of years(possibly why LBP was delayed to implement MSFT's idea's in this very limited Capacity)."

Fail. LBP is LBP. Not what MST has announced. Are you serious? I can't believe what I'm reading.

[castags]

Seems like someone is threatened by this game and the endless possibilities of the PSN. Kinda suck there's a limit to how big games can be on Live too isn't it. Why are you in denial power of Green? LBP will be ground breaking and your jealous. LBP GOTY!!!!!

[titntin]

POG - sometimes I can barely believe you type some of what you type!

I know you are a committed 'brand boy', but surely you don't really believe that anything you've written is objective or in this case even relevant?

The article is highlighting the issue of user generated content and the restrictions that mean it can't be used on live. XNA is a totally different issue - many creative people can design and produce good level designs, but would not be interested in developing an entire game.

Don't you understand that its only by highlighting deficiencies in the system that companies make changes? If it become a big enough issue, then maybe MS will re examine their policies and adjust them accordingly. This would be a win situation for 360 owners everywhere!

By swallowing the company line you give them the right to do as they see fit, and I'm delighted that so many people don't simply swallow what they are told to like faceless droids, as it means MS has to step up its game to answer criticism and thats good for all of us.

[el_bandito]

@ Fishy Fingers

I totally agree with you. LBP's gonna be big, but the submission's title seems to be several notches too brave.

@ Yoda

Kiddy game? Fine. I'll tell that too to several people who rave about Braid, which btw, I admit is good. Bottom line is, there are people who enjoy this genre, and there are people who don't and rather get stuck with a Lancer. It's just preference, which everyone is entitled to.

[Thoas]

M$ will never let you use mods in a games on Xbox 360 and that's a fact. M$ likes to control what you see and how you see it, I can bet in LBP someone will make a Marcus Phoenix, Master chief and Mario character and levels to match, but Xbox 360 owners will never have that freedom to make Kratos, Zelda and Lara Croft characters in a game on Xbox 360. You should of taken the Red Pill and had fun in Wonderland.

[Syronicus]

When they first showed the XNA stuff to us and how we were going to get our own content on Live and be able to buy and sell it... It's 2008 now and coming up on 2009 quickly... Guess what? No XNA for us unless you pay for it and pay big and even then, your stuff is not guaranteed to get approval from big brother MS. The XNA hope is dying and I see a fat RIP in the near future...

[SuperM]

lol... POG you seem to fail to realize that XNA only allows what you have always been able to do on a PC. Just look at the thousands of games on the internett that you can play for free. You seriously want to pay for any of that crap on your Xbox? Because thats what you will get.

[SlappingOysters]

I was going to say the same thing. I have actually found myself playing less online and more offline in this generation for some reason (matchmaking is a joke), but i still look forward to them. Other than GoW 2 I'm not seeing a hell of a lot of long-term multiplayer gaming coming this chrissy for xbox exlcusively. Viva Pinata, Banjo, Too Human and Fable aren't exactly gone to make a LBP style impact.

Seeing a lot of talk and little action from the Xbox camp at the moment. Sony have Home to go... err... home and cry about, but LBP is looking the goods.

[power of Green]

" POG you seem to fail to realize that XNA only allows what you have always been able to do on a PC"

^^LBP offers something more innovative plus LBP being so far ahead of the 360's and PC's offerings, LBP is going to embarrass XBL?.
LBP is going to embarrass XBL when no other game has so far? lol

[The Wood]

not any more anyway.........WHY?????

cumon power of green. Your envy is shining through. XBL has limits just ask EPIC about UT. Unless their getting paid its not happening. PSN has more freedom from ugc to file sizes

Warhawk embarrassed xbl for lack of a better word. Does xbl have a 40 player online game that runs lag free. Resistance (Launch) 32 players online lag free, where's yours? Does it have games the size of Siren to download 9+ gig btw.

[AAACE5]

OK, you can create levels and sh*t in a game! Whooptie f'n doo! Get a PC and a developer kit and make a real game you f'n loser!

I hope little big planet is the perfect game that sony fans hope it will be! But before you fanboys get all arrogant... keep in mind that this game still has the potential to flop!

Just listen for a sec! OK, you may be into the creating your own levels and what not. But the average player will probably beat the normal levels and not care about the ability to create anything... or be like some of the gamers nowadays and say it was too hard to work with. Instantly they tell their friends, and LBP loses potential sales!

I have seen the videos of LBP and understand why alot of fans are excited. But no matter how great and innovative a game may be... If it doesn't have that ability to grab people... it will become a failure! Prime example is ICO. It was a great game from sony, but because it looked so odd and had an unusual style of play... it was overlooked(sounds kind of like LBP don't it)! But it's sequel took on a more traditional role and sold well, you may know it as Shadow of the Colossus!

So before you fanboys start with the hate. The main point I am trying to get across is, LBP could be a great game based on potential alone. But that potential could go sour, as soon as a potential buyer looks at the back of the cover and see that they will be playing with a sack!

[juuken]

...Wow.

You would support Microsoft to the end...they could be heading off a cliff and you'll follow right behind them.

I pity you PoG, I really do.

[The Wood]

game sales alone dont determine a games 'success' Spiderman 3 done great at the box office but it was a sh*t movie. The reason SotC done better is because many had previously heard or had played ICO and enjoyed it so maybe your getting it a little mixed up. These games were loved because they were different and that appeals to many.

[faisdotal]

lol @ pog

You make microsoft look bad, i don't even know how you're allowed in the gamer zone.

[Silellak]

I know many people here at N4G that you could say that about if you just replaced "Microsoft" with "Sony".

Why is it okay when it's Sony that people have a hardcore loyalty too?

PoG is wrong. LBP looks amazing. But I think XNA does too, for different reasons. And, in the long-run, probably has more potential.

But to single PoG out as some blind fanboy in a site full of blind fanboys is a bit hypocritical. Just because this place happens to have an ambundance of Sony fanboys does not make it 'better' to be a certain kind of fanboy.

[m9105826]

lol, XNA isn't some "magical" platform that will allow anyone to create an awesome game. If you want to make one, you're gonna have to buckle down and learn some C++/c#, which is certainly not an overnight job.

You'd also need an artist, anywhere from 1 to 3 to handle Modeling, Animating, and Texturing.

My point is, game creation on ANY platform is not a one person job (with games like Everyday Shooter and Out of This World being the exceptions that prove the rule).

The appealing thing about LBP is that ANYONE can create quality content by themselves. The content creation tools are surprisingly powerful, and that was in a dated version I got my hands on almost a year ago. The use of physics in the game is amazing, and you can build pretty much ANYTHING you could build in real life, and even some things you couldn't, and then utilize them in any way you see fit. No need for hard coding, no need for a team of artists, programmers, QA, etc.

As someone who works in the development field, trust me whwn I say that LBP is THE MOST revolutionary title to come out this gen, In a time of stale shooters and half-assed action games, LBP will bring something new to the table.

[_Q_]

"Once XNA/Xbox LIVE community games launches"

My I remember when xbox fans use to laugh when PS fans would say "once____ is out you'll see" just funny to see the tables turn a little. By the way PS3 owns user generated content on consoles(themes,independantly created games,modding,AND LBP). XNA is futile seeing that most gamers game I doubt many will take the time to really design something in a way that doesn't feel like a game or isn't as enjoyable as playing a game.

[PimpHandStrong]

holding out hope that XNA will be good with XBL limits

lol

btw POG

PS3 owneres are already sharing games! You can share almost anything you buy on PSN 5 times!

[Closing]

Have fun paying for your primitive crappy flash games that you could get for free for ages on PC PoG. Even If I get another 360 for Gears 2 I wouldn't be dumb enough to waste my money on that xna trash. Hell I don't even waste my time playing them for free on the PC. How can you even compare that trash to LBP? Ridiculous.

[TheMART]

Gotta disagree there on LBP Power of Green.

That game is good and I would love to see it on the 360. Heck I would even almost buy a PS3 for it together with God of War III if the Dual Shock 3 controller would be in the PS3 package, it would come in white, priced at 300 bucks and a HD cable in package with Home not further delayed.

[Mr BlueScreen]

I have worked with XNA and you have to pay $100 to activate it and you have to learn C# code along with Visual basic! You also have to be a XBL subscriber.
Good luck with XNA. Moron.

[The Wood]

right on cue AND disagreeing with ******* or pog, whichever you prefer

an n4g 1st

[proArchy]

Sony announced a little thing called the Phyre Engine. Its a free, fully functional game engine built specifically to develop for PS3. Not only that it also supports Havok, and Insomniac's free Nocturnal tools. If someone has skills, credibility, and a well realized concept they can contact Sony and receive this. Complete a game, and submit it to PSN, and - pending approval - it will find shelf space in the PsStore. The thing is, this is already available, just not to every random kid who thinks they can make a game. Sony just wants to make sure that when your game comes out it will be worth putting up on the store, and not on the level of some of the trash XNA has produced so far.

[Yipee Bog]

power of green, I forgot why I had you ignored, thanks for reminding me

[The Lazy One]

You don't have to "pay big". you get 70% of the sales, and you have to pay $50 for free advertising and hosting of your game to a >10million person customer base. You will not find a deal like that through any publisher.

NOTE: not saying anything about LBP with that. The creation tools won't hold that game back. If anything it'll be the gameplay.

[VsAssassin]

I believe letting the public be creative is a good way to market one's product. Take UT3 for example. Why would I play a game that has mod restrictions if the PC and the PS3 version don't? I guess MS is really in it for the profit.

[AAACE5]

All companies are in it for the profit! But Sony is still making money off Ps2 sales, so they can somewhat afford to take risk!

MS has windows, which is so-so. They have Zune which is making a minimal impact. And then the Xbox 360 which can hit or miss. So they aren't really in a position to do such things!

[Transformer]

LoL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! at the pic of Sackboy.

[castags]

They should make the bumper stickers like calvin pissing on stuff but with sackboy pissing on Bill, the xbox, and vista.

[Transformer]

This is one advantage for the PS3 but all consoles have advantages and disadvantages.
I like Wii's ones the best though. (sarcasm)

[Viktor E]

http://xbotscrying.ytmnd.co...

[Chubear]

Now you're going to see alot of NA editorial reveiwers dogg on LBP and plaster it with 7s & 8s when we know this thing is practically the MGS4 of the Platforming genre.

[AngryXbot]

LBP is NOW AND FOREVER a PS3 exclusive game. Published by Sony and developed by a SECOND party developer.

It will never go to the competitors systems.

And its PS3 exclusive. Not fake exclusive like 360 games where the game is soon ported to the PC but 100% FULL EXCLUSIVE.

Viktor E...bubbles for you man! haha.

[Pain]

lolxbox

[AngryTypingGuy]

Very true, Transformer. I wish MS would change their policy on this.

But LBP embarrassing Xbox Live? After see MGS4's sales figures especially, I don't think it's possible for any PS3 game to embarrass MS at this current time :-D. Sorry, but it ain't happening.

[Eiffel]

LMAO 2 stars on your YTMND, you fail at YTMND's Viktor E.

[Homicide]

ROFLMFAO! Xbots in damage control.

[abcdog1000]

Like the spore creature creator only with sackboy. it should cost 5$

[Thoas]

That pic FTW

[Solid_Snake666]

haha yea that1 is cool

[Viktor E]

The Triple A Threat http://dyackflop.ytmnd.com/

[zapass]

snatch!

when the game comes out, we'll be able to make LBP movies of us pooping on xbots crying for mercy: can't wait

[DeZimatoR]

LBP > user made games

Isn't it kinda obvious? BTW, kiddie game? Is that the best you could come up to try and make LBP look bad? Let me see...Resistance is just another FPS, Uncharted is Tomb Raider with a guy, Ratchet & Clank is a kiddie game (there we go again...),MGS4's cutscenes are too long and its more a movie than a game, Killzone 2 is gonna suck because the first one wasn't good, God of War is just an hack & slash game, etc....am I right? Cause there is ALWAYS something wrong with PS3 exclusives...right?!

P.S. LOL at the story pic :p

[The Wood]

That guy has has ef all good to say about any ps3 exclusive since ive been here

Bubble for you

[AAACE5]

I don't think there's nothing wrong with any of those games you just listed, they are all quality titles!

I just think it's wrong how fanboys try to hype them up as the best games ever created to justify their purchase of the PS3, and make 360 owners feel like we made a bad decision! Anyone who owns a 360 bought it cause it had games they like. And they will probably buy a Ps3 next. But after hearing some of the fanboys in here, they might decide not to for fear that when they play an online game on Ps3, they will have to listen to the voice of the idiot from here! I have made my own rule that when I do buy a Ps3, I will not play any games online because I might run into some of the idiots in here!

[Silellak]

While I agree the LBP looks amazing, I don't agree that LBP > User Games.

As a developer myself, I think the XNA thing is an awesome way for potential game developers to get their stuff out there without paying a huge fee to a publisher or needing a small army of developers.

The pontential behind all of the user games is just so extraordinary, I'm not sure how a single game with a even a huge variety of customizable content can match.

[Jinxstar]

@ Silellak

I agree it XNA is good but didn't Wiiware offer basically the same thing and the monitor and limit the amount of games allowed to be placed after a rigorous(Handpicked) process of choice.

Really I don't know all that much about XNA and I do agree with you to a point. The truth to me though is I am much more excited to see what my brother will make or my girlfriend or "the wood"(He's my PSN buddy) then some random no name studio that will probably be making a junk flash game...

Truth is what has more potential? Who knows really. I have found certain truths to hold true when looking at the different platforms. What Sony and MM are doing is super risky and ambitious compared to XNA. I doubt they will let someone make a "Penis land" game and put it on XNA. Sony might just have a storm to fight with ugc.

The truths I find would be seen as huge flamebait but whatever the case I think LBP is miles ahead of anything else out there along with many of these people...

If it turns out well then great but where is it? When is it coming

[Jinxstar]

My PC is screwed up. Ignore comment.

[iHEARTboobs]

"Anyone who owns a 360 bought it cause it had games they like. And they will probably buy a Ps3 next. But after hearing some of the fanboys in here, they might decide not to for fear that when they play an online game on Ps3, they will have to listen to the voice of the idiot from here!"

Come on now, lets be realistic for a second. To me it seems that you seem 360 fanboys are on a more mature level than PS3 fanboys. That's simply ridiculous. Both consoles have their over the top fanboys, not just the PS3. And if 360 owners choose to buy a PS3, they might run into some of these people online but it's really quiet on the PSN so they most likely wont get hassled. I haven't used LIVE but i've heard there's plenty of idiots there that make their presence known.

[ganaeshd]

It's actually a bit scary to read this, it's basically saying "we'll build this game and unleash it to the world, and be prepared for the incoming sh**storm". The people at Media Molecule have got guts, and this is one hell of an experiment. At the very least, I can see this being an important teaching tool for game design students. It'll be a very intuitive way of teaching them about the importance of level design.

I wish them the best of luck. I'll be getting my copy... someday, when I have enough money. D:

[mfwahwah]

I think it'll do well. The only people I've seen that weren't interested in this game were hardcore 360 fanboys and people who don't like the platforming genre.

I have a friend who basically only plays MMORPGs and FPSs, and even he's getting LBP.

I really think this will be the gaming equivalent of youtube.

[Rob0g0rilla]

Classic case of trying to find a needle in a hay stack. Here's a 1,000 games. Good luck finding a good one. Want another preview? Go to http://www.flash-game.net

[wicked]

I believe the games can arranged in order of popularity. So for me the most popular ones are going to be the better ones?

[DJ]

You'd be surprised. It's usually not that case. =/

[Dragunov]

Badass sackboy FTW! Go for Master Chief's helmet!

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Wow..POG is getting agree's..yet there is no other 360 fan commenting.

Pulling out the extra accounts are we?
You must feel insecure about your comments.
its pretty sad a video game makes you feel that way.

[silverchode]

multiple accounts ftw.

[00000000000000000001]

To me it still looks like a good game for a 12 year old girl, I have no interest in it, am I missing something or just to old to play with dolls?

[wicked]

I feel the same, maybe someone can post a link to good video clip of what this game is about.

[Mr_Bun]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[ThatCanadianGuy]

I dont know how to explain it any better then this but here goes..

It's like..An endless box of lego..where you can make literally anything you want.With amazing physics,beautifull graphics.And 4 player co op.As well as share your levels,and eventually sell them for profit.

Here's a few vid's.

http://www.gametrailers.com...
http://www.gametrailers.com...
http://www.gametrailers.com...
http://www.gametrailers.com...
http://www.gametrailers.com...

Your only limited to your imagination,isnt that any gamers dream?

[Mr_Bun]

I am also having trouble explaining the game to friends who haven't seen trailers for it. My fav trailer is the "dream". It is hard to watch the trailers without grinning!

[n4gzz]

12 yrs old girl play sims and GTA :D

[DJ]

I swore I was looking at real fire. o_o

[Mike134nl]

I like the idea of littlebigplanet, though the real problem with these kinf of games lies with the nature of creating content it is very likely that a large number of offensive stuff will appear on the net. Censoring all this stuff will take up time and money and might not even be possible.
Cleaning up the mess might become messy for the developer and sony.

[Jinxstar]

With the threat of immediate banning of accounts permanently I see little fear of that...

Edit: from what I understand there is a "Report" button the second you go into a level. As well there are "Age restrictions" on levels. If you go to the kiddie levels and find Penis land. The owner of that will have a perma ban. However Sharing Penis land with a friend who knows what it is wont be a problem.... Or so I understand...

[mfwahwah]

Here's the system. It's called "griefing" a level.

You can take a screen shot at any point in the game and send it in for evaluation. When you do this, the level becomes immediately flagged and taken down until it is evaluated. If it's safe, the level goes back up. If it breaks some rules, it goes down.

If you constantly flag levels to be a jerk, you get flagged and face consequences.

You can also put a password on your level if you want to share a Penis Forest level with your friends and not bother others with it :P

[theKiller]

will make bots much sadder and will be the point where the purchase of the 360 is no longer logical unless its modded to play pirated games!

360 is inferior in almost everything compared to ps3!! if someone disagrees then he is welcomed to prove the opposite!

why so serious bots??

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

That Main Photo of Sack-boy p*ssing on that xBox Live is the BEST photo i have seen on this!!! ;-D ;-D ;-D

+The Phantom Disagree xBot Lemming can't comment, he can only hit the Disagree buttton or press the Fire/Shoot button on a xBox 360 controller shouting out...'N00B this! N00B that! Your G*Y! Your Mom!' ;-D

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[theKiller]

its an epic picture which will break down their souls for ever!

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

Your new Avatar is cool;)
I would change mine to that Sack-boy one!!! ;-D
(but i got to keep my photo of my GOD on my Avatar) ;)
If the Sack-boy photo was bigger i'd put it as my Laptop Screensaver!!! ;-D
Hmm...might put it on my Mobile phone!!!;)

[SlappingOysters]

Sony have a history of doing big mainstream successful titles like Singstar, EyeToy and Buzz. Microsoft should copy and paste this stuff straight away to make themselves more viable to that audience, but they take ages. How long did it take them to do Scene It, and Lips, and get the Xbox Vision out. Frickin' years man, well after the Sony brands had too much market awareness.

So to my point. I think LBP will go off, MS will spend three years creating a rip-off - BigLittleMoon or something - and completely miss the boat.

[kevnb]

that picture will certainly stir up some fanboy hate.

[kewlkat007]

I'm sure XBL can open the gates at the flick of the switch.

MS takes cares of their own Network,. In that sense makes it easier on the Devs pockets but at the same time dictates the content and how open the network is.

I think it's a double edged sword type of issue, knowing MS history on the Windows Platform.

If LBP actually takes off, then it would be one thing that can make MS at least think about it stance on things. Were still not sure how successful LBP will be, so we'll see. No it's not gonna kill XBL. This is not something that is impossible, it's all about becoming more leaniant on MS corner.

[rootEXT]

LBP is the next big thing this generation, every preview i read oozes with awesomeness. This game is huge!, only fanboys bashes this game because they can't afford a PS3 LOL!! and how come MM doesn't say anything about the ' story ' part of the game? does anybody know?

[kevnb]

speak like that, just imagine what that would sound like.

[VMAN_01]

POG just stop your embarassing yourself already.

[silvacrest]

everything he/she said was fanboy garbage

[rootEXT]

Go back to school?, right. What else is there for fanboys to bash this game? I'm not rich but i can afford to buy 2 consoles, why dont you go get ready to go to work and start flipping burgers. I own a elite360, what do you have? I have a 2007 Cadillac EXT, thanks to my brother of course for being awesome!

[zonetrooper5]

XNA was released about a year ago I think and this autumn its coming out, this will mean lots of games from indie devs. I'm also waiting for LBP and I can't wait for it to come out, the problem with user generated content is the fact that there is thousands of content out there but most of it is pretty crappy, but then you get the the few gems here and there. While I love user generated content, you need some way of ensuring that there is less crap content and more gems.

Hopefully someday MS will lighten up the XBL policy and let more devs have generated content for their game.

[juuken]

...I lol'd at the picture. xD
But I cannot wait for LBP.

[dirtrider]

just go back to doing something you must do very well, bending over for kaz:) hope you can read a whole what with this 2 sentences. lmao

[Fatmanp]

PSN embarrasses itself every day by just trying to be like live. LBP could be done on the 360 we just have not had a dev attempt it. Im pretty sure that LBP will succeed and MS will copy and get a similar game in the workings.

[DJ]

"LBP could be done on the 360 we just have not had a dev attempt it"

It could, but it couldn't be done this well, nor would it have the UGC Sharing system since Microsoft tries to nickel and dime everyone, including developers. You got the hardware issue, and then the Microsoft issue. Then again, it's probably because of how bad Microsoft treats its developers and users that Sony is so open to developers and respectful of its customers.

I have heard a similar sentence before though: "Uncharted could be done on the 360, we just haven't had devs attempt it yet." And I've heard it in reference to Motorstorm, Killzone, GT5P, and lord knows how many other titles. It's more logical to assume the hardware is restricting the developers, not the developers restricting themselves.

[enjoi187]

probably cause all the gay penis levels people will create

[GarandShooter]

Yeah, but on the bright side, think about how many countless hours of fun YOU'RE going to have playing those levels!

[dirtrider]

its ok for the sony girls to write anything and its not fanboy garbage? i will say most in this post and well all comments by sony girls are always fanboy garbage. wow go line up with booty- dont keep kaz hirai waiting like he makes all ps3 users wait for content. :)

[enjoi187]

psn does embarrass themselves trying to be like live....so what 3.50 month let the poor people complain

[PirateThom]

You can smell the fear and jealousy from the XBox fans. You really can.

[juuken]

I agree Pirate Thom. Lol @ calling people poor because they don't wanna play for XBL. I don't see why I should have to pay for a service that should be free in the first place.

[kevnb]

you have a point, its probably why I'm a ps3 only owner now.

[DJ]

And PS2 had a horrific online system. It still couldn't convince to cough up the extra money though.

[enjoi187]

lol why cause i want to be a little doll and grab and jump things? lol ok

[PirateThom]

NO GUNS DURRRRR HOW DO I SHOT GUN?!

It's called a platformer. Before we were plagued with FPS after FPS, we used to have a genre called the platformer and it is infinitely the best genre ever.

[kevnb]

but I agree that we have enough, devs are complaining about costs yet they keep making games in a genre where the bar has been set impossibly high.

[zonetrooper5]

Garry's Mod would like to have a word with you...

[pwnsause]

Garry's mod is on the PC though. What LBP is doing on a Console is revolutionary, cause it never happened on a Console Before, which PC users have been doing for the past Decade and a half.

[Jinxstar]

Anyone remember the old NES game where you could make levels with and editor and try and get past it on your bike. I thought it was the greatest thing ever and still am fond of those days... This is like that times 1000. I can't wait. I haven't been this stoked for a game since I first got my mits on Donkey Kong Country =D

[kevnb]

im hoping little big planet can make me feel the same.

[_Q_]

I'm getting that same feeling from this game. I think its really gonna be something.

[BlackCoffee]

Microsoft want to keep a tight lid on what content is available on live.

They are trying for a safe environment for adults and young children.

For the most part they do a good job. I have an eight year old son who also has an xbox live account. On one several occasions I have taken a game to his hard drive and played it. Microsoft send me an email telling me that he has been playing content inappropriate to his age. This might be a little big brother -ish but If he had managed to slip Resident Evil for example in while I was out I would like to know. (I know there isn't a Resident evil for the xbox360 yet.)

The point is, barring dodgy names and KKK cars in Forza they have managed to keep a reasonably clean network. Ok there are reports of grooming paedophiles chatting to kids over live, but all social networks have that and probably always will. We just have to educate our children and make sure they are always supervised when talking to people online. It's our job as parents there, not Microsofts.

Now the point is Sony are going to have a big problem policing little big planet. Look at what has happened with spore. The attack of the penis monsters, and even more inventive sexual imagery.

If Little Big Planet performs as expected and sells say 8 million copies. The is a potential 8 million people uploading levels to the servers.

I understand you have some server space allocated and will be able to upload several levels of your own. So say you can have 10 levels, 8 million x 10 equals 80 million levels in the space of possibly a month.

How is anyone going to sift through all those and check for inappropriate sexual or racist content?

Quite probably they won't, there will just be a big disclaimer about rating changing during online play.

Imagine it, the headlines will come thick and fast, attack of the vagina/penis monsters, real pictures of real porn plastered all over the levels. KKK Nazi imagery, snuff images, all the depravity that man can come up with will filter into little big planet levels precisely because people can.

This is why microsoft won't let you do these things. They don't want the negative press. Which I can assure you is coming.

[PirateThom]

The thing is, LittleBigPlanet has a build in report system and rating system.

Like any online content, you click the report button, it's checked into and removed if inappropriate.

I do see where you are coming from though, I just don't think it's as big a problem as some people will try to make it out to be. How many KKK cars were in Forza, probably only a few considering the game's sales, but it blew up into something bigger.

[Jinxstar]

See my comment above.

"With the threat of immediate banning of accounts permanently I see little fear of that...

Edit: from what I understand there is a "Report" button the second you go into a level. As well there are "Age restrictions" on levels. If you go to the kiddie levels and find Penis land. The owner of that will have a perma ban. However Sharing Penis land with a friend who knows what it is wont be a problem.... Or so I understand..."

The same has been said about innapropriate action in "Home" I belive Phil said it while he was still in something along the lines of "You would need to move houses and buy a new PS3 to get back on PSN" Pretty harsh. So for those that do make stuff like that and ipload it to the network I feel its a good thing. They will get reported and we will have the douchebags sorted out from decent people and thats pretty good policing to me.

Also you talk "Potential" Well 80 million is a lot but I doubt it will be anywhere near that. There are soooooo many casual gamers out there and so few people who will make whole levels... I see the point but everytime someone uploads a penis it will get reported so long as someone plays the level. I think it's a pretty good system...

[LiquifiedArt]

IP Temp Bans or Perma Bans and it will stop really quick.

[_Q_]

Dude why give people the idea? LOL

[BlackCoffee]

Thanks for the sane responses guys. I agree with your assessments, there will be the ability to report dodgy content and it will be removed.
Again, due to the amount of content it will be impossible to do it quickly and efficiently.

My big fears are that Fox news and other tabloid style mainstream outlets will seize pictures of penis land and stick them into the mainstream news, which will only play into the hands of Jack Thomson and his like.

More bad press for video games, more parents that stick games on the same list as junk food, drugs and alcohol as things to avoid like the plague for their children.

[DJ]

If you can suck on a nipple for the first year of your life, why are you barred from seeing it for the next seventeen? As a parent, my real concerns would be with violence more than anything, and drug use second. Maybe I'm just more European than American...

Either way, no matter what sorts of things pop up in LBP, there's going to be a feedback/warning system for levels that are recommended for older members of the gaming community.

[Jinxstar]

@ DJ

In the defence of the American culture. Parents feel that hiding their kids is better then talking about it. Their fear of "Daddy's little girl" going and having sex and getting an STD is huge and many feel that hiding sex altogether is better then exposing them... Have them fear sex as opposed to understand or see it. They also feel in many ways "My son can't get a plasma grenade and blow aliens to pieces in a huge space station" but "Daddy's little girl" can go out and get laid... All in all I think it's the wrong way to do it and this is probably just a small part of it but I would just say probably 99% of parents worry more about their kid getting pregnant then having a beer or seeing a dead iraqi on the news...

[cereal_killa]

Excellent comment Jinx

I think some people in this world should really relax no matter where you go in life there going to be someone who has to ruin it for everyone else ie. online gaming some people go online to play Halo as an eg. and all they hear is (bleep)this(bleep)that,you re a homo or n word this thus ruining it for other gamers who just want to play same as making your own level in LBP someone will do something peverted or racial in it just look at some of the characters made on Spore we all knew that would happen. If you give someone to much freedom thats what you get, you need to have some sort of limitations as well as alowing people who can use their imaginations to create something wild and crazy but with the thought that other people even children will play this and enjoy it..

[GarandShooter]

'We just have to educate our children and make sure they are always supervised when talking to people online. It's our job as parents there, not Microsofts.'

Why wouldn't you apply that logic to downloading content as well?

[moujahed]

THIS HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE POST!!! IM JUST HERE TO STAY THAT PS3 OWNS 360!!! AND YOU GUYS ARE XBOTS LAMERS UNLESS YOU HAVE A PS3 ALSO... THEN YOUR HALFWAY LAMERS!!

[Ali_The_Brit]

XBL just got owned...in the butt.....several times!!!

[cellfluid]

I know I might get hammered 4 this statement.. 4 give me konami.. But I think this game will move more unites than mgs4..wow did I just say that..***smacks hisself n the face*** they should really consider a bundel with the replace 40gig 2 80 ps3 model 2 move consoles.... ps3 gamertag (cellfluid)

[Truplaya]

all these comments because of user generated content is only in LBP. Sorry but ive had that on my 360 for over a year in Halo3 and Forza. Its not that much different. Both consoles get it on Soul Calibur4. user generated content is already here.

Whats the big deal with LBP? Its a platformer where you can make your own levels? Doesn't sound great to me, looks great, but im holding out on it. Bit of a kids game i think. Plus it comes out near to resistance, pro evo and Gears2.

[TheExecutive]

Well I guess there have been hundreds of adults that have played this game and a majority of them love it. I mean look at the previews, everyone, and i mean everyone, is glowing about this game.

Are you going to ignore everyone that has played this game or are you going to at least raise an eyebrow and maybe consider checking it out when it releases?

[EnforcerOfTheTruth]

“Just today the developer of the highest rated XBLA game ever, Braid, suggested he would never work on the system again due to Microsoft’s restrictions...Certainly Bizarre Creations, who were told they couldn’t give Geometry Wars away for free...Even Mark Rein has moaned about the need of “convincing Microsoft to let us give some things away for free.""

WOW just WOW I start asking myself how this crap company can even have fans.

[DFresh]

This is just the beginning. Sony is going to get so good w/ the PS3 that eventually the 360 can't handle any of their games.
Little Big Planet is a must have for me.
Sack Boy Rules FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nuff Said.

[fufotrufo]

PSN wishes to be more like his daddy XBL :)

[THC CELL]

xbox live is nothing anymore

LBP is starting to be a new culture

Xbox is limted

LBP is endless

we will re create
Mario
halo 2d
gears 2d
earthworm jim
metal slug
and games that people never heard of

like my idea
Titanic
sinking
run for life
escape the ship from falling tables body's etc

and another level is
attack or the killer xbots

step on a xbox and it will redlight
Boss is Bill xbot 360x

[NowGen]

LBP is soon to be released. we cant compete with such a great game. game over, you win sony....end of sarcasm

[SuKiT]

Very funny. Bubble for you.

[RAM MAGNUMS]

xbox arcade & that fake xl b whatever will be murdered by lbp!
who wants retro games when you could make them & have all those
lbp graphics!
that picture has already made so many xbots cry. LOL! That's sick!
sackboy FTW!!! He's such a lil devil bastard. Ha ha
he pissed all over the hyped up xbox live! Whoooops! I love it!
proud to be a playstation fanboy!

[cellfluid]

Maybe we can create an xbox360 that really works.(rrod) and a xbox live online service thats free. The options r endless 2 the drawin boards ladies

[Stinkey]

LBP FTW, SONY PlayStation FTW, PSN FTW and most importantly Media Molecule FTW. Haven't played the game yet but I'm sure it will do well

[smurfie4]

In the words of Rakim "Thinking of a master plan." Ive already got some ideas of levels brewing in my head. Not only do you have 50 preset levels but they are there to inspire you to create your own.

[Zerodin]

My entire ignore list has posted in here!
It must be a Gay droid buttsecks party in here!

[power of Green]

LOL there are only about 5 or 6 people showing up on my screen too, in the gamerzone and the openzone. I have about 400 different accounts on ignor(lots of PS3 fanboys have many accounts), I put all PS3 fans on ignor only taking them off if I'm being stalked.

[macalatus]

Wow...and you two (Zerodin and POG) have your own Gay 360 Fanboy Buttsex party!

Where are the rest of your gay 360 brethren? Oh wait, 98% of 360 fanboy accounts belong to just the two of you! OH SNAP!!

[silverchode]

pog likes to troll but doesnt like getting trolled on. :)

[ustayclassyn4g]

the little big game that could ;)

[dkgshiz]

You gives a flying fuk about your ignore list. Go smoke some crystal meth to calm u down.

[PimpHandStrong]

limits

no mods

and Briad for 15 bucks

XBL is a joke

PSN is growing

Go pay your 50bucks a year! XBL has 12 million users with a 20 million install base! Thats almost half of the ppl that own a 360 dont even use it to play online. Every PS3 owner can play online so the install base is 15million and PSN users is also 15millioin

not saying all use PSN but they can

[PimpHandStrong]

funny pic

[PimpHandStrong]

XBL will be free in under a year!

and if not

it will be free for the xbox 720 in 2 years!

[PimpHandStrong]

lol POG

and Zerodin

The fact that you posted means your looking for what your talking about!

Take your vulgar loser A$$ and be gone

We know facts hurt but dont worry...Don Mattrick will be here soon to spin you to sleep on his d!ck

[SpartanZero]

Meh I i think LBP will do some damage but I see viva pinata more atrracting. I could imagine a pic of horstacio taking a dump on psn

[Killjoy3000]

Errrrm....Fail? An epic one at that? I think so...Sorry...

[wallace1000]

I totally agree that little big planet's graphics are really really good but i just watched two trailers for it on gametrailers and it looks like the game play is more for kids than anything. I have seen lots of people saying they are excited about it and i was just wondering how old you guys are or did i not get a good impression of the game from what i watched?

[SuKiT]

I just wonder if this game would get this much hype if it was a multiplatform title. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[Jinxstar]

26

How old are you?

Maybe it's nostalgia for old school 2d(Sort of) Platforming. Maybe it's the fact that it's something my GF can get into(Only other games we have played have been the lego ones really) and we can play co-op with my brother and his wife and all be creative together. Maybe I really want to design a cool batman level with stalagtights hanging from the batcave and make a cool bat mobile break through some rocks and have "bat sack" jump out and kick the crap out of the penguin... There are so many reasons why I want this game. If you are too young to remember some older games like excitebike it may not appeal. or maybe you are new to gaming.

Just because something is cartoony doesn't mean its for kids. i.e. southpark/ family guy. but sometimes adults can enjoy them as well which is where this game falls I believe ala Finding Nemo or Incredibles.... If this were a movie it would be made by Pixar... Some adults think Pixar is lame... I like them a lot.

This game is about possibilities that are yet untapped and it's exciting to see what will happen and where this will lead us in the future. This game will be a large bookmark in gaming history just like Doom or Super Mario Bors or Pong...

[SuKiT]

@Jinxstar

I can neither agree or disagree as that is your opinion. I do think it will be a fun family type game I just do not think it will live up to the hype it is getting. I mean seriously look at the hype that GTAIV got and it was a let down. Look at Haze another letdown. Look at Too Human another letdown for me from the demo.

Too much hype usually leads to a letdown, and I can see the same here. It should be a fun family gatherering type of game but the appeal probably will not last.

Just my opinion though, only time will tell.

[Jinxstar]

Well those are my reasons for liking it. I liked GTA4... The others were kinda lame though... The only time the hype gets you is when you are expecting something you don't get... I am not expecting this game to move the world or solve global warming. I am expecting a lot of replay value and enjoyment. Every video I see makes me more and more excited. It's all ingame and interviews and very little is ever repeated showing massive amounts of variety.... I am not a "kid" but I like games of all forms. There are many "FPS grumps" Who think anything where you can't blow a body into 17 different pieces is a kids game. There are others who think that without extensive challenge and many many hours of repetative gameplay for that minor upgrade is worth it. I play games for fun. Lego games are fun. SSHD is fun. Earthworm jim is fun, Mega man X is fun, Donkey kong country is fun. LBP looks like a lot of fun. I like that they are "Cute"... I have seen enough dead people and people blown into 17 pieces in real life to not care about it in a game... Don't get me wrong I love a good shooter or horror game every now and then but whould the same people who cry about childish games have even played games back in the NES or Sega days where the closest thing you got to blood were huge red globs in Mortal Kombat....

Edit: Thanks bud =D you too

[SuKiT]

@Jinxstar

Very good points. Bubble for you :)

[TheExecutive]

@wallace, I guess because it looks cartoony its a kids game? Seriously do your research and come back and tell me what you think

[wallace1000]

For the record i am 24 and i am a big family guy fan. It isn't because it is cartoony, lots of games are. It is just the impression that i got from watching the trailers.
@ TheExecutive - i just went and watch a few trailers, that is why i was asking if my impression that it seems for kids was correct or did i get the wrong impression? Hence the question, no need to be defensive. It just reminded me of viva pinata a bit, that is all.

[Jinxstar]

Oh hey man everyone is entitled to their own opinion. no worries and game on =D Like I said in another forum of "Will this sell systems" I really don't care cause I will play and enjoy the hell out of it =D So to each his own and game on! I hope my opinion made sense though with some of the annalogies I used but now I am out of bub's =D so anyone who wants to talk PM me!

[wallace1000]

Good conversation dude and it all made good sense. I will give you some bubbles so hopefully in the future you can post more. I totally agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I have a buddy with a PS3 so if he gets it i will have to give it a try and see how it is. Maybe the trailers just don't do it justice.

[zonetrooper5]

Yes but ever since this site was split into 3 different sites you have hated MS so really your comment does not surpise me.

[PimpHandStrong]

why is Viva pinata more attrracting?

i mean the whole point of this thread is about the limits of XBL

so tell me again

What do you think Viva Pinata will do that is better then LBP?

anyway im sure you wont explain because you dont understand the difference in these two games

[dachiefsman]

LBP will be a must buy if you can do whats in the pic.

[PimpHandStrong]

a game for kiddies one guy says

i hope i get to play levels created by adults and i think i will

its not a day one buy for me but its on my list of games i might buy.

PPL that like to be creative will love this game! That means more then just kiddies

anyway

average PS3 owner is from the age of 31-40

[SpartanZero]

I think its because its the pinatas I mean that sack boy looks kinda creepy. Its a feeling I had when playing viva pinata. I literary thought the pinatas as my pets. Cute little critters they are. Im def gonna buy pinata 2. It makes you feel like your doing something. I like to make beatiful gardens that my pinatas can share.

[pete2711]

Puff

[The Mikester]

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As soon as i saw that picture i just bursted out laughing!
lol.

[TheExecutive]

to tell you the truth i will take dedicated servers and user generated content over any of the XBL advantages any day. Once they get the PSN up to date with accessing the xmb, messaging and so on, trophies and custom soundtracks the PSN will be miles ahead of the xbl.

[Rhezin]

what are you people 5? Come on...seriously....this is sad.

[MetalProxy]

Iam 31 years old and Iam really excited about being creative. How in the F*<K dont you like this game. Its old school mario style. EVERYONE and there grand kids play those type of games.

/slap

[power of Green]

Every time the 360 is seen as doing well an flood of this type of Bullshit comes out of the woodwook.

[Dacapn]

Did something happen recently, indicating the 360 is doing well? I must have missed it :/

[hadouken007]

someone mad a 1080i wallpaper of that so i can put it on my ps3 background.

[ReubenSala]

Little Big Planet and MGS4 are pretty much the only games on PS3 worth playing. I'll probably get one when I see them in thrift stores.

[TheExecutive]

c'mon! Uncharted is sssssooooo much fun. seriously, thats a pretty ignorant statement.

[OblivionMon]

To be honest I love having both the 360 and PS3, it allows me to actually give a valid argument and my argument is that it ALL comes down to preference.

[FFXI101]

When the Oct comes and the LBP is out. I'll crate a lvl where everyone can piss on the crappy box(the goal is to break as many as you can), you all invited and welcome to join me to compete.

[FKN Unbelievable]

Little BigPlanet is still not the game PS3 needs at this time to save this machine. As far as Xbox goes if this game is being highly touted as a savior why is'nt being released to a Blu-Ray Disc? This Games was never intended to be for Micorsoft system so bringing up a point about Xbox live is Moot right about now.This game still has'nt showe that it can match the immersiveness of Mario Galaxy since its gain all of this press about killing Xbox and its live service. This game is a platform game at its finest that will make a little mark as far as downloadable games on PSN goes and then will burn out like everything else has.Me personally im more interested in Castle Crashers than this.

[GarandShooter]

'Little BigPlanet is still not the game PS3 needs at this time to save this machine.'

Save it from what?

[Allowen]

...because they want all the cash they can by selling games am providing servers for multiplayer matches but for that you need a huge control.

This control put a lot limitations to MS servers and ..you all know...and now people wants to creat their own mods and etc like on this game LBP but this can't be possible on the Xbox360.

This digital ONLY world that Microsoft was and is always thinking about that would be better then any new midia liek blu-ray requires too much control and they can see now it can not work as good as a free acess PSN.

PSN and LBP gives what we want and because of that since they have less control they win less cash but in al ong journay of satisfing costumers they will the cash and recognition they deserve and Microsoft and Live system are falling in the absys without turning back unless they remove 90pct of the CONTROL thing.

[Brixxer600]

I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon and slag off XBL, it's still the better service but what i will say is that come October LBP could very well change how games are made, i think it's the single most important release this generation.

A must have title as far as i'm concerned.

[jack who]

why is it that only the sony fans care bout this?

[LevDog]

Crazy.. You dont even hear about Killzone 2, Resistance 2, Gears 2, Socom Etc.. That much anymore.. LBP is dominating the news... If this thing takes off.. I think Wii owners will be jealous.. This could be the ultimate Causal/ Hardcore game ever made... It can make anyone a gamer.. Anyone with an imagination and a will to create will want this game.. If the word gets out, and sony markets it right... THIS can be bigger than MGS4 and Halo... I know thats stretching it.. but the previews for this game are better than GTA4.. Everyone has been salivating over this game at gamer shows.. I just dont see how it could fail..

[Brixxer600]

I think it's because this game is so different, as gamers we're used to using our imagination to help draw us "into the game", now we're going to be able to use our imaginations to "make the game", cannot wait for this to hit the shelves.

[cereal_killa]

THIS can be bigger than MGS4 and Halo... I know thats stretching it.. but the previews for this game are better than GTA4.. Everyone has been salivating over this game at gamer shows.. I just don't see how it could fail..

You know this may happen I see this game and i see a game everyone can play men women and children. I personally would never let my kids play GTAIV or Gears it s not meant for children and some women (not all) don't play or have the urge to play those games either but I do see LBP as being a game that sells allot of copies (maybe not as much as GTAIV) but i think it ll be pretty close to it thats just my prediction.. I think this game will rock and when i finally get my hands on a PS3 this will definitely be a game i get

[LevDog]

Very true.. I didnt think of that.. It will be close.. I know alot of people that didnt buy GTA4 cause once it came out and people started talkin about how it wasnt as good as advertised they shyed away.. LBP could be different.. its for all audiences and if it lives up to the hype.. People wont shy away..

[Panthers]

Just wanna say that I love the pic.

Sackboy can become the same as that boy who pisses on all of the car logos.

[Figboy]

and story image are just wrong, and completely undermines what is otherwise a very interesting, thought-provoking story.

it SHOULD BE a concern to us gamers if developers are being hindered in ANY way when it comes to the creation of games.

the relationship between developers and gamers is a symbiotic one; they produce content and offer it to us. we choose to purchase that content, which will allow them to create more content to offer to us, which we choose to purchase, and the cycle continues.

because gaming is NOT cheap these days, we are (or SHOULD BE), a bit more discerning when it comes to what we spend our money on.

here's an example:

would you prefer to spend your money on games like Cash Guns Chaos, or Pixel Junk Monsters/Eden, and Braid?

hopefully, you chose the latter three titles, and not the former.

i want developers to make the best games they can, because i'm spending my money on their efforts.

i don't want to spend money on a sub-par effort (which is why i avoided a lot of crappy early PS3 ports like Splinter Cell: Double Agent). i don't want the developers to have to cut extreme corners, or not realize their vision due to unnecessary restrictions, because that ultimately impacts MY enjoyment of my preferred medium of entertainment.

we should ALL have alarms going off in our head the more we hear developers speak up about these issues.

as much as we respect and love the game devs that make good games, they are, still, in the end, unimportant in the eyes of the big publishers and console manufacturers.

what i mean is, if developer A complains about restrictions hindering gaming progress, but consumers continue to buy those sub-standard games, the people in charge of developer A's finances simply shrug their shoulders, say, "well, it's SELLING. make more," and shrug off those devs concerns.

we've seen this happen time and time again with games that aren't deserving of success over others, and yet they get it. it's an absolute TRAVESTY that 50 Cent: Bulletproof sold over 1 million units, while Beyond Good and Evil, and Ico, to name only two, couldn't even manage that number, even if you COMBINED their total sales. sure, BG&E is finally getting a sequel over 5 years later, and Ico got Shadow of the Colossus and Team Ico's new PS3 title, but guess who's ALSO getting a sequel? 50 Cent, and i guarantee that games like Kane and Lynch have sequels in the works also.

my point is that, as cool as game devs are, they don't really have as big of a voice as we think they do. i mean, even BUNGIE isn't free to do what they wish, and they created one of the most popular gaming franchises in the past 6 years. they couldn't even announce their new project, and they had gone out of their way to make it fun for their fans (the hints, the E3 video feature they planned but had to scrap).

the biggest voice in gaming is US (as in, you and me, not the United States. lol). but our voices sound an awful lot like wallets opening and cash registers clanging.

the more we support sub-par offerings, the more sub-par offerings we will receive. instead of b*tching about it on our blog, we need to speak up and not spend our hard earned money on mediocre services, and if we MUST open our mouths to rant, point those rants at the direction of the studios.

for those blindly supporting Microsoft in this case: please OPEN your eyes. the devs that make classics like Braid are already opening their mouths, even Epic Games, a MAJOR publisher expressed their concerns over the way MS handles their network (and their concerns date all the way back to Gears of War, when they wanted to release those new maps for FREE, and MS wouldn't let them until they could make some money off of them first, which goes against everything Epic has established for themselves in terms of interaction and support of their community).

speak up and tell Microsoft that, considering how much you guys PAY for LIVE, and the marketplace, you should be receiving the most premium content you can.

the only restriction i know of is the size restriction on LIVE (which has proven to be flexible, such as the case with Castlevania: SOTN), but it appears that there are more in the way, in particular, there seems to be an issue about releasing free content through LIVE.

they can hide behind the seemingly altruistic notion of "we're doing it to ensure quality, and to protect our users," angle, but here's the real truth:

WE, the gamers/consumers, ensure that what we play is quality by supporting quality work (i urge gamers everywhere to pick up Braid and Pixel Junk Monsters and Eden asap). we "protect" ourselves (and our children), by monitoring what we and our families play OURSELVES. we don't need Big Brother to speak for us.

when i'm looking for something interesting to watch, read, or play, i don't rely on much of anything but my own personal tastes and standards to decide on it's quality. if it's something lame or offensive, i CHOOSE to avoid it.

in this case, if someone creates a crappy or offensive level or MOD in Little Big Planet, or Unreal Tournament 3, I AVOID IT MYSELF.

i've downloaded some great content for UT3 on the PS3, from Gears of War characters, to Samus Aran, to some really amazing maps. i didn't need Sony, or even Epic games, to filter this content for me, making sure it lived up to THEIR standards of quality and political correctness. i decided on MY OWN. but if that content was never there in the first place, do to arbitrary restrictions, i'd have missed out.

Microsoft is closing off a large portion of their community by placing these restrictions on devs, which is a shame, and quite ironic, since they were one of the first in the console gaming industry to really bring together their gaming community online with Xbox LIVE.

their close-mindedness would be surprising if i didn't already know that the reasons behind it were for more money (they seem to have a policy that they are all for user-generated content...as long as they can make a mint off of it).

as for Little Big Planet, i can honestly say that after being a gamer since 1985 when the NES launched and i was 6 years old, i have NEVER seen a game like this before. this game makes me smile, and fills me with something that is almost like Nostalgia, but not really. it makes me feel like i'm experience video games for the first time all over again. when everything was NEW and innovative.

it's a problem that us old time gamers have (and you young ones will face it too in a few console generations), where you get increasingly jaded and hard to please with games because, well, you've seen it all (just LOOK at sites like kotaku and joystiq, and the tone they adopt when discussing games; "it's just another >insert genre here<," "sure, it's fun, but it's not bringing anything NEW to the table," etc, etc).

a game like LBP already has me inspired in a way i can't describe, and already my mind is turning over ideas for levels, to the point where i'll just have to get a notebook and jot them all down so i don't forget.

this game reminds me why i'm a gamer in a way that the deluge of FPS and TPS games can never do, or the latest standard JRPG that doesn't do anything but stick to the "young, idealistic teenage boy embarks on a quest to save the world after coming across a mysterious female with magical abilities" template.

in short, Little Big Planet excites my imagination in a way i haven't felt since i popped Super Mario Bros into my cousin's NES way back in 1985.

i don't expect this feeling to last. i don't expect to have this feeling again for a long time, even with the constant advances in technology, which ARE genuinely impressive to me, and excite me in a way different to this.

so for that, i'm grateful to LBP, even if this ambitious experiment fails to excite the masses. Media Molecule should know that at least ONE person will be toiling away creating new levels and supporting this game to the very end.

it'll probably be awhile before my first level appears after the game launches, because i really want to take my time and do something i'll be proud of.

does the game "Embarrass Xbox LIVE?" not even. but it does bring to the surface, in a very big way (no pun intended), one of the glaring flaws of it's viability as a haven for user-generated content. an issue that should be talked about amongst developers/publishers, gamers, and those that genuinely care about the gaming industry beyond just silly console wars and sales numbers.

[thehitman]

buddy u hogging up the entire page...

[Figboy]

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[Brixxer600]

Well written and thought out.

[cmrbe]

Gamers should realise that they have the power with their wallet. I agree as well in that gamers should not allow others determine what they should and shouldn't like. All too often i see people on this site rely on what others say about a game to decide weather they should buy it or not which is sad. I hardly or never regreted buying a game that i am interested in. Games like Omega Boost DW 3 and Chaos Theory are just some of the games i really enjoyed despite what people said about them.

[n4gzz]

finally someone with dignity.

[PoorDroids]

lol, this game is a joke. i feel bad for u droids who actually WANT to play this instead of Halo 3 or Gears of War.

poor droids.

[cmrbe]

droid?

[xtreampro_REVENGE!]

whats wrong with LBP, its for children, Teens and Adults, so whats wrong with this game?, and HALO 1,2,3 all suck, there easy stupid games, that have no story to them, n Gears 2 is just Gears 1 but looks more sh1t, and pluse we dont have to play LBP we have R2 KZ2, MotorS2, and so many other great games, i know the BUTT-BURN-UR-HOUSE-BOX dont have anything as good as LBP (on the same type of genre)

[AIi_The_Brit]

i own both gears and halo 3

Meh..

But LittleBigPlanet, WOAH!

OWNAGE

beat them 2 games anyday

[sleepbox]

Nice charming artwork. Stay classy N4G.

[Grimhammer00]

I can't remember the first time I played with a level editor...but that long lost day seems to create this feeling in all us gamers of what we could do if we were the developer! That feeling of creating the most massive level or most devious traps....You look in awe at your creation and you inevitably start another level, or character or trap....

But slowly, surely it starts to come back to you - you like playing games, you aren't arrogant enough to assume you can make better gaming experiences than a team of 4, or 20 or 100 game designers....reality starts to grab hold....many of the levels you played from other gamers sucks balls....the urge to play Killzone 2 is too great! You even realize that...in the end, while you were enjoying your level creations...those who played them don't all universally think you are the sh^t!

This game will be fun. This game will occupy your life - for a while.
Your a gamer, you'll move on...and none of this will have any effect on Xbox live, because their system - while not perfect...is pretty solid and works.

[GarandShooter]

'You even realize that...in the end, while you were enjoying your level creations...those who played them don't all universally think you are the sh^t!'

Professional developers and designers can't live up to that expectation. Why would you feel as an amatuer you needed to?

[solidsnakus]

i wonder why sony wants to prevent people from communicating by not including cross game invites, private chat cross game, voice mesages?

[LevDog]

Cross game invites are useless.. You invite them and by the time you get there the spot is taken.. Why not just send an ingame messege telling your friend to get on and you will send an invite when they get on?? Voice messeges and Cross game chat would be nice but not really needed.. I find Ps3 6 person video chat all more "communicating" than anything on Live.. I can vid chat with my buddies that dont live in my town anymore 5 at a time.. I feel more connected with that than.. a voice mail

[poopface1]

little kid game, wont sell like sony wants. Too bad. Looked lame from the "boss fight" video I saw. Looks more like a psn title.

[sleepyk]

yeah, go to the open zone where you belong.

[cmrbe]

to Nin

[poopface1]

thest my opinion. I dont see why anyone has high hopes for this crap.

[meathax]

well ive sold my 360 and bought a PS3 for this :)

[solidsnakus]

lmfao! talk about a downgrade.

[cmrbe]

its an upgrade. More reliable and future proof.

[dude_uk]

PWNED

ROFLMAO

[B-Rein]

I Just Cant wait for this game!!!! already preoderd it lol ahahahha

[xtreampro_REVENGE!]

HOW THE HELL DOES POG STILL HAVE $ BUBBLES, the mods are xbutts, its obvious, take a look at the PS3 fans, they all have 1-3 bubbles, and the 360 f@gs have 4-7 bubbles, and POG you never make sense, its like as though you talk to ur self or something, the 360-OLD-GEN-TNT is BULLSH1T and its dying, YOU (POG) cant accept the fact that the DVD player is loosing, open your eyes and see whats happening

[joeynox]

LBP isn't going to kill xbl or make MS change it in anyway. Just like UT mods didnt affect it at all.yes the option of using community mods are nice but when it comes down to it who wants unwanted crap on their servers.I don't need so dip making lvl's or mods for a game that ends up screwing my game.As of right now LBP is a viva pinata to me.Its a flashy gimmick.It does look niceand the premise is nice but I don't think it will take off the way fanboy's think it will.Also its not going to make people run out and buy a ps3,its just not that type of game. I own a a ps3 and a 360 and I'll rent it from gamefly to check it out but it doesn't seem like it will be a game with multiplayer legs to me like cod4 or halo3.Also this talk that MS restricting user content is garbage.It doesnt hurt live.if MS wants it there they will allow it .its their service.if they feel they want / need it dont any of you think they will pus hthe button and say ok make crap.They want to sell consoles so if the competition is doing it and they think it w is a good Idea I'm pretty sure they would of jumped on that idea a long time ago,at this point they dont want it but maybe sometime in the future they might.

@ Allowen

Are you on crack?

physical media will be gone soon. Maybe not as fast as mS wants but it will be gone. Look at mp3's. They are a perfect example of this.Fileplanets direct to drive and steam are also great examples of this.All you need is a big HD and your fine.Most people have broadband now a days and here in BX NY i download a 1 gig demo in 5-10 minutes on live with my 30/5 broadband i pay $40 a month for.So its perfectly possible and would be welcomed.

Live isnt falling into any abyss,12million people pay $50 bucks a year for it and love it.psn being free doesnt make it better in any way.Im not saying PSN is bad at all but live is better and everyday both of these services take the next step in making themselves better for us.Also remember the Only reason PSN is free is to compete with Live because I would beter my pay for a year that sony would charge for it if they are charging people for a online videogame magazine than they would charge for the service. 4 bucks a month for live is well worth it and if anyone says its not is a just a pathetic fanboy , if sony charged 5 bucks for psn id still pay for it

[n4gzz]

You are absolutely right!!!
As long as we pay for live without any hesitate, why should they bother !!

[jerethdagryphon]

ok yes direct downloads are becomeing prevelent
but real media isnt going anywhere anytime soon

1 gig in 10 minites thats great im happy for you
most the world still has under 20 meg bandwidth much of that is even lower i get 8 meg and im considered on a fast connection
coupled to that some people dont want to leave machines running 24/7 to dl a 40gig file
40 gig thats about the size of mgs4
you may dl that in a day it would take me about 4 months if not more

also collecters dont want digital recipts they wants masterd discs labeld and bundled up on shelves

if games went to solid state media ( a possiblity) it wouldnt be to bad but unless everyone has gigabyte internet and no usage allotments download onlys furture wont be as bright

[joeynox]

true but everyday Isp are getting better and faster,HDD's are getting bigger and cheaper. 97% of gamers are not collectors, they buy games beat them or play them for a few months and take them to gamestop so that's out the window. Like I said i dont see it happening for at least 4-5 years. In a month and a half my isp is going 50/10 for $40 bucks Im on a 30/5 for $40. In 4 or 5 years bluray will be garbage because either their will be smaller media with a bigger storage capacity or Downloading. Evolution is smaller , better and or simpler and downloading is that.

[jerethdagryphon]

sackboys creepy yes but he can also become an iconic charactor for sony
i wantched some of the live demos and live level building is awesome
if any fps system did that drag and drop system while running in real time id be impressed

and its not 2d its 2.5 d

dibs on pirate land

[Uzesgelen_Goo]

if you played Uncharted on crushing or hard difficult then you can't say it was short lol. don't say Uncharted short that you beats on easy difficulty

[Old Snake]

If this game doesn't sell well, babies will be burned

[THAMMER1]

I have a hard time accepting that one game can make a whole service look bad. You may have freedom to cut and paste anything you like into LBP but what about the rest of PSN?

Nice try SDF.

[marioman360]

Sackboys? What the hell are those?

[SmokingMonkey]

trust me

[KiNg_TED_PRIZE]

all this million will come home when lbp come. trust me i put my life on it by february 09 ps3 will catchup to xbox 360 world wide!! prolly pass it~~

[EnforcerOfTheTruth]

Feb 09? No way in hell dude

[EnforcerOfTheTruth]

Sackboy looks happy in that pic :)

[Minnasouljah]

Jeez, sony has little dog syndrome

[KiNg_TED_PRIZE]

they came out a year before sony ! and sony only behind 5 million!! psn with 10million accounts!! aww man sackboy going to be the revelation for sony

[SSS]

xboxlive is like a nanny state, except you pay for it. I prefer Psn now after 2.4

[enjoi187]

xbox live is very impressive and i think the online gameplay is so much better....

but about the PSN .i mean come on you can download some of the games. that is very very Impressive. still waiting to find a stock of psn cards though.

and about the xboxlive so what 50 dollars a year. those who want to pay to play thats fine i mean 3.50 a month come on, i pay. and those you dont agree with paying ..well dont, but you are missing out.

the wii. cool for the internet browser and mario kart and zelda..that sort. other than that useless with crap graphics..again come on our cell phones have better graphics lol....

well anyways it wont do anything to xboxlive. everyone will be on the new cod and fable and gears 2..nothing will happen

[gersh]

LBP pwns.

[joeynox]

how many of those who bought the system actually use it for gaming and not as a blue ray player?I know 3 people ho have a ps3 just for blueray. Also for having 14 1/2 million users shouldn't there be 14 mill psn accounts?

[guitarfanboy]

who bought the Xbox360 actually use it for playing HDDUDS? Pfffff. By the way, the games on PS3 are manufactured on Blu-Ray discs. If you played Metal Gear Solid 4, you would have heard Otacon praise Blu-Ray for not having to change the disc. Also, if you would have played Uncharted, HS, or R&C, I would have no joeynox comment to reply to. Jump off a bridge, Microsoft is at the bottom, XBOT.

BTW, XBOX Live vs PSN flame bait articles are stupid. If you know just 1 HALO fan, you know that the service Microsoft**edit(Bungie)** provides for their fans is exactly what they want. What's wrong with that? Hopefully LBP kicks ace, and hopefully XBOX Live will become free. Time will tell. Just my 2 cents.

[SmokingMonkey]

and you all know it. Don't call it "childish" either because it makes you look like a idiot with no imagination.

Nintendo wished they thought of it, M$ wishes the 360 could run it.

LBP is for EVERYONE and only on the PS3 (PC maybe?)

GOTY

[Neo604]

when I saw the LBP trailer on E3 I have no clues how the game work. Making your own level? What the hell? sn't that the developer job? But I'll get the game just because of the sackboy pissing XBL picture.

[AngryTypingGuy]

From what I hear, Sackboy's penis is the same size of that of the average PS3 player.

[AIi_The_Brit]

from what i hear, xbots talk as much shlt as the size of the battery of a 360

[TheAveragePs3User]

at leest 2inch!!! but in ps3 words, its liek 60,o00feets! so i winz!

[psycho360]

LOL thats why its called "Little big P*enis.