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Kotaku Didn’t Get the Cold Shoulder from Bethesda & Ubisoft, They Earned It

OnlySP: What is games journalism? Is it supposed to tell you every little detail about an upcoming game? Are we supposed to check out games and provide you in-depth previews of what we played? Are we supposed to provide you with stories about the people and the games within the industry? Everyone seems to have a different answer about what games journalism is supposed to be, and this makes our jobs incredibly difficult.

-Foxtrot3112d ago

Something finally came back round and bit them on the ass

Now we are going to see sly articles from them which try and make out it was the studios fault not them, like Bethesda and Ubisoft are being the jackasses here.

Wingsfan243112d ago

I just don't get what they're whining about. If you reveal somebody's secrets early, they're not gonna trust you anymore. Pretty freakin simple, which Kotaku seems to have a problem with because they can't decide if they're a blog or reputable outlet.

Genuine-User3112d ago (Edited 3112d ago )

They are a bunch of whiny bloggers in my opinion.

dirkdady3112d ago

Really good article. I like their mentality that "journalists" are not entitled to anything.

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alabtrosMyster3112d ago

You know there is something wrong when you see people being shocked that a reporter says things that some company's PR team disapproves of....

Not that you should see the stuff they send in the preview material or the early copies provided for review should be shown before the intended time (it would just not be fair) but if some artist or programmer tell you about game x or y before it's time... I think it's fair game to "leak" the information... However PR is allowed to get upset too? It's their game to promote after all...

Aeery3112d ago

I'm not sorry for them, really.
I'm a person who believe in the freedom of opinions and the right to spread information, things that in these days, a lot of gaming website, have forgotten in the name of the "click".
In the end, websites like Kotaku don't offer a service to the readers ... they offer a service to their ego.

Palitera3112d ago

They could take one step further to screw up that lame site for good: Blacklist forever EVERY "journalist" that works with them from now on. :D

There are a few of ridiculous clickbaity websites, specially posting here on N4G (Rashid's and his puppils) and everyone knows who they are. I'm glad they finally started paying the toll.

Sevir3111d ago

This is a very good read, There are times when Kotaku demonstrates journalist eticate, for example, the situation at bungie, the mass change of Destiny, or the case with Activision/EA Infinity Ward.

But the leaking of Sony's "Home", Bethesda's Fallout 4, and the subsequent leaks of AC:Unity, Rogue and Syndicate and the dirty ways they go about getting information is just what this often critized industry doesn't need. And their rebuttal is, that their job is to get coverage, good or bad, and they'll continue to get coverage...

They told that to Sony when Sony asked them not to leak Home before it's public showing, and then Sony Blacklisted them before they complained only to have shu reinstate them.

Good to see Ubisoft and Bethesda stick to their guns. Shady journalism isn't what this industry needs.

Mr Pumblechook3111d ago

Something grubby that Kotaku did was when they revealed the whole story and ending to an upcoming Call of Duty game. They made out that it was a great journalistic scoop, but it was the furthest thing from journalism. They received the info from their industry privilege but all it did was betray the staff who trusted them and spoil the story for the gaming public.

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bmf73643112d ago

Ubisoft is operated by jackasses, but the issue stems from Kotaku being a piece of shit website.

showtimefolks3112d ago

I hate them as much as the next game but now a days these leaked from sources are a normal thing

I mean I was so surprised that sony were able go keep ff7 and shenmue 3 a secret. That's what suck now a days, almost everything is ruined ahead of time in name of journalism

rainslacker3112d ago (Edited 3112d ago )

I went and read Totillo's article which sparked all these articles. Hate to give Kotaku the hit, but to be informed is good I think.

Anyhow, Totillo is a good writer. He makes his points, and paints his side with great clarity, and even makes a few good points that I can agree with. However, he is also very entitled, and seems to try very hard to paint the reports as a service for his readers....pretty typical of him actually(got my first bubble up on this site for calling him out on a comment he made in a blog here about this same view as a service to the reader mantra)

While I think it's great if it's true, at no point in his article can I recall him ever once considering IF the news should have been reported for the service of his readers, and how that would affect those working on the game, or the subsequent marketing that the game would get, and ultimately how that would affect the game's sales...thus affecting both the publisher and the developer. it seems his "duty" to his readers to present the truth and the news was paramount, and that all the other stuff didn't matter. Of course he only briefly talked about how his own livelihood benefited.

At one point he says any other site that gained the same information would have done the same. I would actually say that's mostly true. But in the end, that doesn't mean that it's right to do so.

Basically, at no point did I ever see him try to say that he tries to be a responsible journalist...and that's a problem, and that's why Kotaku has become blacklisted. not because they leaked some information, but because that leak was irresponsible.

Now, to be off topic.

If you want to see a hive mind love fest, go read the comment section of the Totillo article. It's all self-congratulatory, and nothing but positive praise for Kotaku. After loading in 4 more sections of the comments, not once did I see anyone asking if they felt the developers or publishers could be harmed, nor ever once see a comment calling out Kotaku for it's hypocritical stances on this particular issue and ones that have happened in the past.

For Totillo to go around saying they're all about the truth is the most hypocritical of all. For more than a year now, the truth they present is more often than not the truth that saves their backside, and those of their like minded colleagues from rebuke.

Kotaku will one day pass into the annals of nothingness, and hardly anyone will remember them. But I wouldn't be surprised if their actions over the past year make it's way into college text books on just how powerful social engineering can affect the common view. It's a common topic in sociology and communication classes.

@the author of the article

Really liked the article. Think you spent too much time talking about yourself, and your own ethics...although I do think they're good ethics to have and wish you the best of luck in the future. I know it's a tricky thing in the gaming press to draw the line between what is news, and what is enthusiast press, but I do see too many sites trying to be both a news outlet, and a PR mouthpiece, then getting all upset when they fail at both. One day, they'll figure out the proper way to report news and hopefully be responsible about it so there can be a better happy median between the press and the publishers, which will ultimately be a great benefit to the readers.

@showtime

I've been surprised how well Sony has kept a lot of secrets this gen. They used to be a sieve of leaks, and it was so common that jokes were made about it at a couple E3's by Jack Tretton.

Findingcrybabies3112d ago

I'll never take Ubishit's side. They are a garbage developer that releases games in terrible shape and have god awful MP connection issues. I like some of their games, but the point stands. If I buy I buy used.

That said. Kotaku can burn.

samuelspade3112d ago (Edited 3112d ago )

I, personally just don't get, how anyone can determine what was from the developers, and what was leaked. I mean, can't you just say it was leaked when, in actuality, it was from the Devs? So...I guess where is the line that gets crossed?

Edit: How do we know what was a leak or something that the devs showed and then the site said it was a leak?

spicelicka3111d ago

Well obviously the developers would know if they've purposely haven't given any information but its leaked on the internet.

In kotaku's case if you read their Fallout 4 leal article from 2013, they literally refer to scripts they got access to, they refer to emails and talk about sources that only big journalism sites have access to.

Of course Bathesda saw this and figured out the leaks were authentic, and NOT something they wanted the public to know. But if they announced that kotaku is blacklisted then they're basically confirming the rumours. So instead they slowly cut them off from their press events, review copies, etc.

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migh_and_highty3112d ago (Edited 3112d ago )

At the end of the day, gaming journalism isn't political journalism. Leaking government documents is different from leaking game news. Kotaku can't complain that they have been blacklisted because they did something bad in the eyes of the publisher. This industry should work together, not against.

I don't mind if 'journalists' and developers or pubs work together to enhance the industry than try and cause so much friction and call male gamers Mysoginistic and unwelcoming to women.

In conclusion, gawker is sinking, especially after their disgusting, needless display of revealing a person's personal affairs over being gay. Kotaku is just as bad as their daddy site and is sinking with it. The 'we hate gamers' narrative can only end one way, gamers always win

Sevir3111d ago

The industry does work together, they hold press events for things when it's ready, I think it's ok, if you're trying to understand shady things in the industry, like Konami/Kojima, or the change in Destiny, or the situation behind the studio that closed down because MS wouldn't give them more money to finish phantom dust.

But leaking surprises ahead of time gets game developers fired and tightens the pipeline on our access to more announcements.

If Freudian slip ups happen, (ie) Naughtydog accidentally confirming there's a second TLOU in development, or Sony's Andrew House confirming GT6 and a new Assassin's Creed coming down the pipeline, in a conversation that he didn't know was being recorded, sure report on that, but to go out and dig up acquire and leak stuff not ready. Blacklist them.

KilKarazy3112d ago

The website is an extremely politically biased (owned by gawker) hipster haven. Right down to one of their editors drinking PBR on a live stream. They're also responsible for stirring up the gamergate thing trying to subvert the issue that a developer was sleeping with an editor possibly compromising the editors review of said developers game.

OC_MurphysLaw3112d ago

I really agree with the title and sentiment.

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Ubisoft say AC Shadows protagonists will be "romantically attracted to different types of people"

Ubisoft recently shared more details about Assassin's Creed Shadows protagonists, confirming that both of them will romantically attract and be attracted to different types of people.

Hugodastrevas7d ago

That should please everyone I'm sure...

RpgSama6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Feudal Japan DEI LGBTQ+ Samurai, sounds very accurate for the time period. Surely a decision made only with historical accuracy in mind.

Crows906d ago

Or even modern day accuracy.....

Lexreborn26d ago

You have no idea what you are talking about, bet you didn’t know nobunaga was bi-sexual. Or ran maru his is often depicted as androgynous was a “beautiful boy”.

So yeah, feudal Japan had tons of lgbtq and kawaii enough… A BLACK SAMURAI! All without the need of offending a Caucasian because the world is diverse.

VenomUK6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

This story has cracked me up so much! Bravo Ubisoft, bravo! 🤣. So last week everyone was upset that in the long-awaited first Assassin’s Creed: Japan game the protagonist is black. But NOW he is also LGBTQ+ ! It’s like the Ubisoft creative team sat around a table and said “How can we best impress our Kotaku/IGN/Polygon friends and antagonise gamers? Let’s make it woke x 100!’ And then they all silent clapped!

Just you wait until the Star Wars: Outlaws details come out, there better not be anybody complaining about Kay Vess’ dating preferences and the gay droid armies.

Christopher6d ago

It actually is.

Japanese were very Greek in their sexual experiences.

lodossrage6d ago

Lexreborn2 is right

Go read up on Japan's feudal era homosexuality and bisexuality was a very common thing in that time.

I just have to laugh because the same people complaining about this are the same ones crying about wanting "historical accuracy". When it's clear most of the whiners don't even know history themselves.

Christopher6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Facts don't care about downvotes, btw. You either claim to understand historical accuracy or you just admit you don't like the stuff people did throughout history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

thorstein6d ago

Japan had no Christian stupidity about sexuality.

That's where your nonsensical puritanical view comes from: the Abraham's faiths.

It's feudal Japan, they don't believe in your religion's made up nonsense.

I mean, if you're going to embrace a particular viewpoint, you should at least be aware of where it comes from. Most of the world doesn't care about your ideals.

In those days, they certainly didn't care about your religion.

Get over yourself.

RpgSama6d ago

All of you guys missed the point, I even said I'm very sure they did it ONLY because they wanted to be historically accurate. Stop defending this, we all know why they did it and who they want to pander, it's not out newfound respect for history.

lodossrage6d ago

@RpgSama

Nobody is defending anything.

People are just pointing out the fact that after they just cried about the game not being historically accurate, when they SHOW they're accurate, they cry about it because they don't like certain parts of history

Not to mention you contradicted yourself RPGSama. You just pointed out you said they "ONLY because they wanted to be historically accurate". Then turn around and accuse them of pandering and/or having an agenda. Those two things are opposing statements

Cacabunga6d ago

Dumbest decision ever.. always online was a pass for me but now not even for free I’ll try it..

LordoftheCritics6d ago

It's made by Ubisoft Montreal.

Obviously we'll be allowed to bang anything that moves.

RiseNShine6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Yeha pretty sure.

H96d ago

People actually telling you that Japan had sexual deviancy which is correct however what's hilarious is that they will act as if it holds the same moral value that the LGBT community holds today, oh the things men used to say about themselves when they are attracted to other men, it's not empowering in the least bit

senorfartcushion6d ago

It was more common to be attracted to the same sex before the crusades.

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Tapani6d ago

You are completely lost on Japanese history. Japan was one of the most liberal places in the world, and in many ways still is. You can slice and dice it from your western hubris and whatever point of view, but the reality is that history tells great stories about freedom of choice and people not being judgemental on this island. Also one of the reasons I want to raise my family here, no need to have those whatever Western woke bullshit here, because everyone just respects each other without using all that nonsense.

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CrimsonWing696d ago

Geezus, just make a good game… holy sh*t this is becoming insufferable.

Crows906d ago

Oh yeah!!!! What about being inclusive???

I'm sorry
..please replace the word inclusive with stupid.

Hofstaderman6d ago

You asking UbiSoft to make a good game? This is not 2002.

thorstein6d ago

I thought you crybabies wanted "historical accuracy." Now that your going to get it, you're going to cry more.

PRIMORDUS6d ago

It's past the point of retarded, everyone seems forced to do this bullshit now in games. 😑

Barlos6d ago

Hell no. A good game or film is secondary now to the agenda and the 'message'.

It's not enough to be simply entertained these days, there has to be an overarching real world narrative. I mean look at Dr Who as a recent example. Disney have completely destroyed it all in the name of 'diversity'.

senorfartcushion6d ago

You sound like you don't have a very active sex life ,😅

CrimsonWing696d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Are you projecting? 😝

senorfartcushion6d ago

It's the only thing that explains the incel crap. They can't simply be angry virgins who don't get any, so then a lack of a sex life i.e. a dad of three or something, is also a good additional explanation. They're either lonely and don't get any or too busy to get any. There's a horrible news for sexual control with incels, and they're angry because they simply aren't the right people to achieve that control. They're weaker animals.

notachance6d ago

dude’s too busy commenting on other people’s sex life to actually stay on topic.

That or he’s angry but didn’t have half the brain needed to refute back so he went for the classic ad hominem fallacy.

senorfartcushion5d ago

Notachance

It's a fact that remains true. The only way it can't be true is if humans were not greedy and heavily reliant on procreation.

Your username is fitting.

CrimsonWing695d ago (Edited 5d ago )

dude, let’s be real, you’re on a video game news site going into the comments section and taking time out of your life to go to war with people you think don’t f*ck. You sound as much of a virgin as any incel does.

Let’s be real, bub you’re just as pathetic as the rest of them. Anyone who would look at this who doesn’t waste their time on a video game news site or video games in general probably thinks the only thing you f*ck is your crusty ass pillow.

C’mon, man. Anyone who f*cks doesn’t immediately go into a comment section claiming others have no sex life. It’s just one of those things if you are getting your d*ck wet. It just comes off like you’re projecting in hopes to god nobody figures out you can’t get any, so you try to flex, even though you’re completely full of sh*t.

I mean, that’s the only thing that makes sense to me 😅.

senorfartcushion5d ago

I'm engaged without children - I'm doing just fine.

This is just nerd sites now. Users are just so angry and for basically the same reasons. Most people go through phases with this type of stuff but it's scary seeing the same attitudes being regurgitated over and over again. From what I've seen it's a strange mix of sexual frustration, lack of proper financing and the need to have 100% control over both so that they aren't taken away from the users.

CrimsonWing694d ago

@fartcushion

Look, man, people are allowed to have opinions and show frustration with stuff. It has no bearing on them not getting sex or not making money.

I have no idea how people commenting on being tired of hearing about SJW sh*t being shown in the spotlight like some carnival sideshow where publishers are wanting some pat on the back for means they’re financially unstable and don’t have a sexual relationship.

What, are you on the spectrum? Like how do you come to that conclusion and make multiple responses to the discourse with “virgin alert” or “you need to have sex?” That right there is kind of sus to me.

I don’t know in what world you lived in where this hasn’t been a nerd site, but people are allowed to comment their thoughts on things and still have relationships. You’re just as much of a nerd as everyone in here.

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darthv726d ago

Is that genuinely a selling point for people?

RpgSama6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

They sure as hell want to see if it is, time and time and time again.

VincentVanBro6d ago

You have to understand they’re incapable of writing a good story so this is the best they could come up with

thorstein6d ago

Well, after last weeks crying about historical accuracy. Now Ubi days, " Oh, okay, historical accuracy: here you go."

Now you're saying you don't want the accuracy? Can you guys just make up your minds?

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notatallsurprisinggg6d ago

It's a genuine click-bait snippet to rile up people like you to push traffic.

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Ubisoft to Focus on "Return to Leadership" in Open World Genre, Expand Live Service Experiences

Ubisoft says they are focusing on two "core verticals," and that's to return as a leader in the open world genre, and live service games.

enkiduxiv14d ago

Calling Ubisoft a leader in open world gaming at any point in time would be like calling Dollar General a leader in retail.

excaliburps14d ago

Well, to be fair, they did pump out good open world games before. It was used as a template so much that people now know what it means when you say it's like an Ubi open world collectahon.

shinoff218314d ago

What though? I can't think of one game they had where I liked anything about it. Atleast since the ps3/360 Gen

Kornholic14d ago

If they have never been the leader in open world gaming, then explain me this: why does almost every open world game follow the same tired old Ubisoft open world formula?

Follow the Leader.

Aphrodia13d ago

YO dont' talk bad about the General. There'll be problems...

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isarai14d ago

You were never the leader bro 🤣

shinoff218314d ago (Edited 14d ago )

I don't think they were ever the leader tbh. I've never really cared for any of their open world games. I do wanna try watch dogs 2 because it looks like it's set in San Fran. Looked interesting

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Brad Hilderbrand explains the reason behind the recent Xbox studio closures

There are two reasons why all those Bethesda studios closed, and neither of them have anything to do with Bethesda (directly)...

Game Pass and Activision.

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Christopher20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

The guy confirming what we've all (well, most of us) been saying since the latest purchase.

crazyCoconuts20d ago

Remember the relatively common counter that went something like "I'm sure you arm-chair CEOs know better how to run a company than the biggest company in the world"?

I mean - there's a lot to running a company for sure, but on this topic it's hard to understand how Phil and team didn't see this coming.

RNTody20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Phil and team knew it was coming and planned for it. It's not even a conspiracy, it's simply the business of cutting costs and superfluous studios after a major acquisition. They don't give a damn about Tango Gameworks or other small creative studios that won't recoup their losses. They don't care about investing in this industry. They have no interest in risky and expensive new IP. They are only interested in profiting off ownership of Bethesda IP, Call of Duty and Candy Crush.

I guarantee you that not one single game under their banner will improve or become bigger and better.

Welcome to the Xbox family, what a pathetic joke.

Anyone who continues to support this, enjoy your future, because this is it. Ninja Theory is next, and Perfect Dark after that.

Christopher20d ago

Especially not with the evidence of tons of existing movie streaming subs out there and how they fail to make a profit with over 100m users each quarter.

fr0sty20d ago

Xbox releases more first party studios than first party games.

Crows9020d ago

It's actually really simple. CEO don't have it hard at all...they make decisions that everyone else has to accomplish. It's the actual low level employee leadership that makes things work well.

Besides that it is obvious when you use simple math that something was going to break.

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Lightning7720d ago

Apparently they're debating if they wanna put the new Cod on Gamepass or not.

Either grow GP with Cod or don't put it on GP and grow the revenue the traditional way while GP will suffer.

The mess that MS puts themselves in.

badz14920d ago

LOL the cheerleaders for the ABK acquisition were all cheering for CoD to be on GP day 1 and they were adamant that Jim Ryan was scared because of THAT and was fighting for the survival of the PS brand if CoD is taken away or given day 1 on GP. hahaha...now suddenly MS is unsure if they wanna put CoD on GP day 1??

isn't this false marketing? they said ALL (not some) 1st party xbox games will be released on GP day 1 and CoD is now 1st party starting last year! it's right there still on their website.

https://www.xbox.com/en-US/...

lawsuit time??

Outside_ofthe_Box20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

@badz149

People were being blind fans. Things is if you look at things objectively and logically since inception, gamepass from a business perspective was never going to be good idea unless you had hundreds of millions subscribed, which Microsoft was never going to get in a timely manner.

People kept pointing out the cons and people kept having their hands over their ears. I wonder how guys like Orchard and Septic who were rooting for the acquisition to go through like people do when their team makes it to the Superbowl are receiving this news lol

ziggyzinfirion20d ago

@badz149

Looks like MS removed the page.

VariantAEC16d ago

@badz149
And it's gone now... that was fast.
Maybe quote it next time?

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mkis00720d ago

Just think its a bit insane to close their ?only? Good japanese studio...so much for caring for that market.

Crows9020d ago

And a great studio too....love evil within...still have ghost wire Tokyo in my backlog but will get to it soon enough.

XiNatsuDragnel20d ago

I'm not surprised Microsoft guys are crock nuff said

isarai20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Honestly i think Bethesda needs to buy themselves out of zenimax/MSs hands and do their own thing, i honestly think that would fix a lot of issues and save them from a potential closure.

Zeref20d ago

There's a reason they sold in the first place. And Bethesda is not closing anytime soon lol. As much as I hate the studio closures. They were all small studios 2 of them were mobile studios.

I think these are growing pains and Xbox will get back on track. But they're not getting any more passes.

jwillj2k420d ago (Edited 20d ago )

I’d like to see your reaction to being growing pained out of your job after the launch of a successful product.

Mr_cheese20d ago

Excuses, Excuses, excuses.

If growing pains have been happening for the best part of a decade, they're not growth.

XiNatsuDragnel20d ago

Zeref nii San
I'm sorry but xbox has been rightfully bashed due to constant incompetence

romulus2320d ago

Yet you literally just gave them a pass, being "small studios" or "mobile studios" is irrelevant. There's no excsue for closing Tango, none. They praise the game, they PR talk about it's the kind of game the company needs and yet they shutter the developer, that's foul on every level.

Chevalier20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Ah Zeref head in the sand like a idiot. Gamepass is a absolute failure like we all told you. Nothing at this point will turn this around. It's not growing pains, the growth is done. Even streaming with 100 million subscribers can't turn a profit and you think Xbox with Gamepass will turn it around? Lol.

It's not a coincidence that Xbox stopped announcing Xbox Gamepass numbers just like they stopped announcing Xbox One hardware numbers and no Series S/X numbers which are behind the Xbox One even.

Remember when we said Xbox customers don't buy games?! Lol. Well this confirmed literally everything we told Xbox fans that said Gamepass was very profitable? Sorry revenues and lack of profit suggest otherwise

Can't wait to see your reaction when their 2nd round of closures happens. Perfect Dark studio and Ninja Theory will next.

Barlos20d ago

No, this isn't growing pains. Xbox has been on the scene for over 20 years.

This is Microsoft not being content with competing, they want to own and control the industry. Buy out as many major devs/publishers as possible so that they own all the IPs. It's only the IPs they care about. Not the Studio's, not the people. They're an insidious, cancerous company and are the worst thing to ever happen to the gaming industry.

shinoff218319d ago

There's no getting back on track. Their releasing games on ps5. That's a wrap.

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Tacoboto20d ago

Bethesda greenlit Redfall, launched Fallout 76 in the condition it was in (and the fiasco with the bonus bag), and spent all that time on Starfield finishing it as it was with that same engine. Wolfenstein Youngblood exists because of them too, not Microsoft.

Are you *sure* leaving them alone would actually result in a better outcome, not just a different one?

isarai20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

A lot of this excessive monetization, and GAAS crap started when Zenimax decided to start looking for a buyer. Not a coincidence that there was a sudden shift in prioritizing profits above quality or even coherence at the same time. They wanted big numbers to attract buyers, now that they've been bought, MS wants exactly what they were baited with.

However even under Zenimax they made enough to self publish sometimes, so i would imagine it's not too far fetched that they could pay their way into independence if they REALLY wanted to.

Also even people at Bethesda and Arkane were hoping MS would cancel the game as again, they were forced to make something they didn't want to make.

mkis00720d ago

Havent seen any decisions since the buyout that lead me to believe MS knows what to do with them either . Easiest one would have to be the fallout 4 upgrade...with minimal effort it could have been a big win for leadership...but nope we got a standard Bethesda release for a patch.

shinoff218319d ago

Tacoboto. Bethesda greenest it to be made. Ms greenest the release. Remember phil telling us he don't know what happened because it polled well behind closed doors. Nice try on that one with redfall. In the end it was on Ms not Bethesda

Einhander197220d ago

Ah, we can see how the Microsoft media machine works.

Every article I read now is some kind of attempt to shift the blame off Microsoft and paint them as the victims or convince people that Microsoft mistakes were just some kind unforeseeable unfortunate twist of fate.

The shills are out in full force today.

Christopher20d ago

This is not at all what this article is saying. It's saying that honest and useful studios are getting closed because of big money deals elsewhere and the faults with game pass as a model.

Einhander197220d ago

I understand what the article is about.

It's a deflection, it's a putting the cart before the horse article.

Let me tell you how this problem wouldn't have existed in the first place.

Microsoft not creating a service funded by subsidization and having the foresight to see that it would disrupt consumer spending habit to begin with. Then not buying Bethesda and undertaking costs for a service that was already failing to pay for itself because their own expectations of Game Pass having "billions" of subscribers was unobtainable from the very start.

And if you don't think that was the case go back to the article on the day Game Pass launched and read the comments from people from day one who foresaw that this would be an unsustainable model and would cause people to stop spending in the same way.

Christopher20d ago

***Microsoft not creating a service funded by subsidization and having the foresight to see that it would disrupt consumer spending habit to begin with.***

This article literally supports this opinion. He's not praising Game Pass or the ABK purchase.

Einhander197220d ago (Edited 20d ago )

This is an explanation of why it failed, there is zero blame put onto Microsoft itself.

Yes, it talks about what went wrong, but it doesn't say Microsoft shouldn't have done it. It doesn't say Phil should have foreseen this outcome and stopped before it got to this point.

"convince people that Microsoft mistakes were just some kind unforeseeable unfortunate twist of fate"

shinoff218319d ago (Edited 19d ago )

Thats what I took from the article. Maybe we're mistaken Christopher lol

It saying why it failed puts enough blame on Ms imo. Eben if they didn't come put and say fk Ms etc.

Christopher20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

***but you're seeing the impact; all those smaller studios making really interesting games are going to fall away, simply because as good as games like Hi-Fi Rush are, they're never going to make enough money to make up that $70B hole that Xbox now has to dig itself out of.***

If you see that as support or you explicitly just want people to end their argument with "and, in conclusion, Microsoft bad" then that's on you. This article does not support Microsoft's choices and highlights the faults. Nothing it says is good about these choices, even saying that putting CoD on Game Pass would be money losing for them because they've set themselves up for failure (and not putting it on there will drop subscriber numbers like crazy, meaning their Game Pass plans were shit to begin with).

No matter how you look at it, they're saying Microsoft made decisions that hurt the bottom line, force closures, and leave Game Pass in a situation where they lose no matter what they do. It's all negative.

Einhander197220d ago

Christopher, if Microsoft hadn't made Game Pass and bought a bunch of publishers would this article even need to exist?

Christopher20d ago

***Christopher, if Microsoft hadn't made Game Pass and bought a bunch of publishers would this article even need to exist? ***

How is this an argument to anything being discussed? This is just as valuable of an argument as "if fish had stayed in deeper waters, they wouldn't have evolved to tetrapods, adapted to shallow water and then to land, and we wouldn't even exist and have to worry about game pass at all."

You're bringing nothing to this argument and then complaining that other people are highlighting the issues with Game Pass and spending tens of billions on studios because what we should be discussing is what it would be like if Microsoft hadn't done any of that.

Well, they did do it. Now pull up your big boy pants and join in on the discussion of what that has meant for the industry since then and, especially right now, how that is affecting the industry and game studios under Microsoft. None of us are able to go back in time and change what was done.

Einhander197220d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Christopher, this isn't me not understanding what the article is about, it's you not understanding what I am saying.

If you want me to make excuses for Microsoft's bad decisions you're not going to get that or just agree with people who are doing that, it's not going to happen, nor are you going to convert me into thinking xbox "needs to exist".

Ya know what, maybe "Microsoft bad".... maybe their decisions ARE having a negative effect on the industry, and instead of deflecting from their actual actions and making excuses for them we stand up and say "no" "Microsoft is hurting the industry"

And maybe, just maybe, it was so obvious that this was going to be the outcome that even nobodies in comment sections on websites were able to easily predict this outcome, yet Microsoft did it anyway then kept doing and even when it became undeniable that it was having a negative impact on their business and and the industry itself, then they knowingly made even bigger purchases and caused more problems.

And the one thing you're right about is that I can't go back in time, but I CAN speak up and try to keep it from happening again...

Maybe if the people who were speaking up 7 years ago were listened too we wouldn't be having this discussion and Tango and Arkane would still be in business along with all the other people who have lost their jobs due to Microsoft's actions.

Do you like analogies?

What you're saying is like an alcoholic crashing their car then trying to explain it by saying it was caused by everything except the fact that they were dunk because they are an alcoholic and don't want to stop drinking.

Chevalier20d ago

Why the excuses here? Microsoft did one thing no other company can do which is subsidize Xbox with these insane purchases in hopes of suffocating the industry out in hopes to be the last one standing so they can charge whatever they want.

How are you excusing this crap even and putting your head in the sand here? It's pretty clear who is at fault here for the situation they built and put themselves in. It's them trying to push everyone around with cash that no one else can compare.

They knowingly did all that and now are trying to pretend the market is to blame? Lol. That is absolutely rich irony. That you can't see the forest for the trees here too.

TiredGamer20d ago

The article is essentially focusing the blame on MS. GamePass was a hail mary play to change the gaming paradigm and carve out a special niche for themselves, emulating the Netflix model, that might have led to MS becoming the leader in the long-term. Unfortunately, the subscriber growth isn't really there, and the model isn't really built to weather that lack of revenue. MS is now in a restructure mindset to figure out how they balance out their model in a way that can still make them money.

've always believed that GamePass was a high risk shot that had a very low chance of long-term success. But the problem with it, whether it succeeded or not, is that it accelerated the proverbial "race to zero" consumer expectation that ran its course in the mobile gaming industry in the late 2000s. When consumers start thinking that games should be "cheap" (as in through a $10/month all-you-can-eat subscription model), it turns the narrative against games being priced at realistic levels. So with the GamePass failure, they've not only sabotaged their market share, but they've impacted the entire industry and devalued the cost of game development to the average consumer. So now it's harder to develop mega-big budget games and to earn the revenue needed to pay for them.

XiNatsuDragnel20d ago

Again terrible excuses in the 1st place

Christopher20d ago

***If you want me to make excuses for Microsoft's bad decisions you're not going to get that or just agree with people who are doing that, it's not going to happen, nor are you going to convert me into thinking xbox "needs to exist". ***

No one is asking you to make excuses for Microsoft's bad decisions nor is anyone asking you to convert to anything.

***Ya know what, maybe "Microsoft bad".... maybe their decisions ARE having a negative effect on the industry, and instead of deflecting from their actual actions and making excuses for them we stand up and say "no" "Microsoft is hurting the industry" ***

Literally no one here is doing this. They're literally discussing how Microsoft's decisions have hurt the industry. Except you. You're rambling about why people aren't complaining about Microsoft when people are in fact complaining about Microsoft.

*** And the one thing you're right about is that I can't go back in time, but I CAN speak up and try to keep it from happening again... ***

Then perhaps actually add something to the conversation other than calling people shills when people are complaining about the decisions and repercussions of Microsoft's actions.

Tacoboto20d ago

Christopher, you're fighting a block wall here - Ein will continue twisting and contorting any remark to fit his self-created narrative.

Einhander197220d ago (Edited 20d ago )

"Then perhaps actually add something to the conversation other than calling people shills when people are complaining about the decisions and repercussions of Microsoft's actions."

Cristopher, in no way is the author of this article complaining, they are explaining what happened it's literally the title. They never once say that Microsoft shouldn't have bought Zenimax or Activision or that Game Pass was a bad idea to begin with. They think the problem with Game Pass is that it didn't grow fast enough, not that it was a bad idea from the get go.

BTW this is his job title.

"Public Relations and Communications Leader"

What do you think a Public Relations and Communications Leader does to make money?

Edit: I have read a dozen of these articles that just started coming out in the last 24 hours that are trying to shift the conversation away from blaming Microsoft, the shift here and in several other articles is trying to say it just didn't gain subscribers fast enough, not that it was a bad idea to begin with that was doomed to fail or placing the blame on anyone.

It was all just an unforeseeable outcome, no one should be held responsible it was just a billion dollar oopsie that's costing thousands of people their jobs and has caused a downturn in the entire industries sustainability.

Oopsie!

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MrDead20d ago

It's greed. MS has the IP's it wants now it's dumping the studios that it's raided, MS will still make money from Tango's games unlike the people that made them. If anyone follows MS outside of gaming you'll see this is what they do, buy companies take what they want consolidate some of the workforce and shut them down. I don't know why people are acting so surprised when this is Microsoft being Microsoft.

MS is a three trillion dollar company, if it enters a market it has no need to compete, they take what they want and with the financial influence it can bypass laws that are meant to protect the consumer and the workforce. Just look at how they are cornering the AI market right now with buyups and investments.

shinoff218319d ago

Mr dead spot on as fk. Ms has been doing this it's whole time around.

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