Fallout 3 is Better Than Fallout 4

PlayStationing writes: "Fallout 4 has released to mostly critical acclaim, and although we do have issues with the game, it’s still pretty damn good for what it is. The problem is though, unless this is your first ever Fallout game, you can’t help but compare it to Fallout 3 and New Vegas. It’s hard to pinpoint why exactly that is, because there was a an element of this when New Vegas came out, but it quickly subsided, and it’s probably because New Vegas brought a lot of new things to the table. There were more choices available to finish most quests, the story was also significantly different, and in general there were a lot of improvements across the board."

[Paytaa]

After putting in 3+ days into Fallout 4 and having somewhere around 300+ hours in Fallout 3..*takes nostalgia blinders off*...Fallout 4 is the superior game in my opinion. I would consider them equal but the settlement aspect of 4 is so damn fun and addictiing and that puts it above 3 for me.

Plus I'm from around Boston so I'm biased due to it being home.

[Elit3Nick]

I agree, I've put considerable time into Fallout 3 but there was always some aspects of the game that took away from the experience. Some of these are the horrible combat and perk system, and a few immersion issues like power armor simply being somewhat better armor and dialogue freezing time. Fallout 4 fixed pretty much all the major issues I had, like how power armor now makes you feel like a walking tank and dialogue feeling a lot more seemless and natural.

[DarkOcelet]

I hate the dialogue system. Its not as good as Fallout 3.

[joab777]

There's no doubt in my mind that Fallout 4 is the better game. The sttlement buidling alone makes it a superior game.

Also, would you rather play F3 again or F4?

[Paytaa]

At this point definitely F4 because I've literally done everything in F3 like 5 times and same with New Vegas aside from a couple achievements.

I haven't had a game probably since Mass Effect 3 where it's all I want to do while I'm at work. Some will knock Fallout for it's graphics and what not but there's something about the Fallout art style and uniqueness that puts so many games that try to be realistic to shame.

Bethesda has crafted yet again another masterpiece.

[Mithan]

80 hours into Fallout 4. It's the better game :)

[Livecustoms]

Nope, Fallout 4 is the better game.

[sullynathan]

Lol, someone predicted that stories like this would come out if Fallout 4 received a lower score than Fallout 3. "Reviewers" would start missing Fallout 3 even though Fallout 3 was poor when it released.

A lot of the problems applied to Fallout 4 apply to Fallout 3. Karma system in Fallout 3 was garbage, New Vegas faction system was good.

[-Foxtrot]

I think the more complex structure of your character and how you shaped them by choosing what path to go down on which was found in Fallout 3 is what's missing from Fallout 4

I mean they got rid of skills and it makes things a little easy.

I miss when you had to really choose what skills to level up...now you have things like explosives, heavy guns, energy weapons skills grouped together in the perks in F4.

[joab777]

I like being able to choose whatever perks you want whenever you want...basically.

And there's no doubt they made things simpler. It worked for Skyrim, why wouldn't they try something similar here?

[-Foxtrot]

Because going simple with games like this takes the fun out of experimenting with different play styles.

I made like 7-8 characters in Oblivion in Skyrim I had 2

Fallout 3 I had 3-4 characters inn this game so far I'm quite happy with the one I have.

It added depth to your character as you had to carefully choose your skills/perks to shape them. It wasn't like "Oh I'll get that perk/skill later" it was more like "If I don't get this perk now then it messes the rest of my character plan up...DAMN I'm gonna have to find the bobblehead/magazine to balance this out".

Made you work harder for a good character

[_-EDMIX-_]

Agreed. They explained why they changed that with Skyrim, I expected that in Fallout 4. The reality is, why should you be forced a set path with a class type of which you don't know the outcome?

They made it clear that players over time liked doing other things that they never knew they would, example. What if I find out, crap... I really like explosives in this game, why should I get stuck with a class that doesn't use them? (Wild example I know, just an example though).

You don't really know what you might end up liking playing the game long term, so why in the opening allow for a set type for a game that could last 100 plus hours? I just don't think its fair.

I'm ok with Fallout 4's perk system.

@Fox- "Because going simple with games like this takes the fun out of experimenting with different play styles."

Who said you can't do that in Fallout 4? Why is it your character has to be deemed a class? If you want focus in a certain area, just level up accordingly. I have no clue why you would want that forced, its not as if you can't actually do a class based on some set skills or perks.

They explained why in Skyrim the removed it as it actually hurt Oblivion. ie starting a game over because you liked lets say archery.

Now because you choose a class that doesn't use that, your unable to use a weapon or take advantage of a weapon i should say because of a choice made at the start of the game. It makes no sense. They are 100% correct to remove it.

Want a "class" focus on one set up with your character...done. Class.

Your asking for them to force it on gamers at the very start of a game they NEVER PLAYED (during the first playthrough anyway). Yet Skyrim, outsold Oblivion and is seen as the better game.

I'm sorry but I just don't agree with the old way as it doesn't even make any sense. You can still focus on a set class if you feel like it in Skyrim and in Fallout 4, I see no reason to force being a set class SOLELY with no option to change.

Who said you can't just do that in Fallout 4 if you choose to? Merely only level up a certain set of traits if you feel just.

[sullynathan]

Because that is counter intuitive to what is an rpg.
An rpg should not allow you to do everything, everytime, everywhere.

The whole crap about being the leader of every faction at the same time, while having unlimited levels and having all perks maxed out makes for a very weak rpg or even a non-rpg. It works if the whole point of your game is to be a super action power fantasy game, but I thought Fallout 4 was supposed to be an rpg?

It didn't work in Skyrim. Skyrim opted out again for an incredibly simple perk only system again.

[ZaWarudo]

Shaping your character to a specific playstyle hasn't change that much previous Fallout games. If anything, simply dumping a whole bunch of points into a single skill was a lot more easier than the new system.

[-Foxtrot]

Not really because if you did that then what happens to your other skills? They get left behind and you suffer.

While most things are grouped together in the new system so you get a few things with each rank and they help more things at once.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Might be one of the dumbest articles I've read in a while.

"Now that junk actually is useful (in terms of crafting, which is good), encumbrance is even more annoying. Previously you could just drop all the junk, but now you need it, yet your weight limit is too restrictive"

Sooooo because you have more use of more stuff, its bad because you can get "encumbrance" lol I can't.

"It’s very slow to get going, you can literally play hours of the game, and you still feel like you’ve not scratched the surface."

LOL! TOO much stuff guys, way too many features that getting started is slow because the game has so many layers that you feel like "you've not scratched the surface" lol

YES, one of the greatest problems in gaming today /s

Though I'm not saying the person who wrote this article feels this way, I'm merely making an observation when I say, how is it that Fallout 4 having more stuff and features that it makes it feel like after playing for hours "you've not scratched the surface" and yet in Star Wars BF, no enough content, 14 maps is low apparently. lol

So not enough content in some games, too much features in another lol Really now? How can someone not find that strange and funny?

[Chaosdreams]

Negativity = viewership.

[Aenea]

I've come to the conclusion that no matter what a publisher/developer does there's always a bunch of people out there complaining.

If Fallout had had less content people would have fallen over that. If it had had a whole slew of sliders and settings in the UI for the PC gamers to tinker with than it would've been about that.

Battlefront could've had an SP campaign but would it have been true to the stories for the die hard fans? It might even have been too short or too long. Or that it was SP and not had had coop, or that it has coop but no split screen or, or, or...

There's always something. It's sad really...

[ZaWarudo]

Ehhh. It's hard for me to go against Fallout 3 but i disagree. Fallout 4 is the better game in a lot of ways. The gameplay and story is a HUGE step-up from Fallout 3, and IMO Commonwealth > Capital Wasteland.

Though i will say that the new dialogue system is a step-down.

[PS4XBOXONEPC]

I think both have their pros and cons but make no mistake fallout 4 is great and I'm excited for the coming dlc...hopefully they are BIG and LONG

[PS4XBOXONEPC]

But if I was able to play only one game or series on any system I would choose fallout every time,I've been gaming since the early 80's

[ZaWarudo]

That's what she said!

....

I'm sorry.

[trywizardo]

Fallout 4 is easier , they give you power armor and a lot of weapons from the get go , mean while in Fallout 3 its like a real survivor game
and the vault in fallout 3 stands out , is it had real people and its like a big actual vault , mean while in 4 you just kick some rouches to death and escape it ...
i like fallout 4 , but i think its just fallout 3 with new story ....

[DasTier]

F4>Fnv>F3

[Elit3Nick]

Honestly, I don't understand how people think NV was better than 3. NV's map was smaller and blander, with the focus of the game forcing you down the 2 main paths to New Vegas, which itself took way too much of the map. Another thing I didn't like is how many different weapons and ammo types the game had, with the majority of them becoming obsolete early in the game.

[Manubiggs]

I personally love the story in new Vegas, I felt I had more freedom in terms of the type of character I become. NV was a very special gaming experience for me, maybe its nostalgia but F4 as good as it is hasn't felt as special.

[kraenk12]

It was the better RPG for sure.

[iNFAMOUZ1]

man anyone who thinks any game is better than fallout 4 must be on some good good stuff

[theFAYEsorceress]

i still think fo3 has better atmosphere, but as a game, fo4 is superior. the shooting is better, gun and armor mods are great, and is just overall improved.

[Lighter9]

Junk is useful now, besides shooting it at people. He hates that junk encumbers you now. Hmm, maybe he should only use junk firing weapon. That'll free some space. Or wear some good pocketed armor... OR, wear some good BOS armor. There's options... and things like buffout.

"Takes forever to get going." IDK if he means Vault 111, but Vault 111 is way smaller and takes less time than Vault 101. You would have to pay me to start a new character in Fallout 3 simply because I hate going through Vault 101.

[PMind]

"Previously you could just drop all the junk" Then why pick it up in the first place? Now it has a purpose. If you don't feel like using it to build then don't pick up. If you feel like using it, pick it up, deposit it, move on.

[Pintheshadows]

I am now in the habit of collecting desk fans over guns. Junk is valuable. This person hasn't realised it yet.

[Pintheshadows]

I may be the only person that actually likes the dialogue system. Oh well. I can deal with that.

[tweet75]

many aspects of fallout 4 feel like fallout 3 a lot of deja vu. It is a great game though.

[Manubiggs]

I personally prefer fallout 4; however New Vegas still remains my favorite fallout game

[SlightlyRetarted]

Well i did not fall in love with Fallout 3 and New Vegas because of the combat. So improving combat while watering down everything doesn't sit well with me.
I bet that newcomers for the series are tripping balls with Fallout 4 and scratching heads why a lot of people are complaining.

-New dialogue system is horrible. Honestly, this hinders my enjoiment of F4 a lot. Yesterday i was testing this and noticed that no matter what options you choose, conversation will continue in same way. There is not even a different response on people you are talking with based on what you just said. So you could just randomly slam the buttons and be OK. In previous games there was a lot of info about locations, people etc. in that old dialogue system. You could pick an answer that will carry dialogue forward. Or you could ask additional questions if you wished so. And skill checks are gone. Loved to impress people with my high intelligence in previous games.

-Your character build does not mean anything. Everyone can have everything. I noticed this about 30 hours into the game, and after that i decided to make only one save to the game and experience everything with it. There is no point in making a different character.
No strenght requirement for big weapons. Grenades fly straight as an arrow because explosive skill doesn't exist, in previous games explosives made a lot of damage, but if you did not pump explosives skill up, grenades could fly 10 meters off of your target. If you wanted to be good at something, you had to pursue for it through leveling.
Every perk that change your character even a little bit more in Fallout 4 are in the low end of the SPECIAL's, so pretty much every character has them. Higher level perks just adds flavors to the character, instead changing them completely.

-Easy as hell. Just for example, in previous Fallout's if grenade exploded near you, it could cripple your both legs and one hand. So to get yourself back together you had to use a stimpak to every bodypart that was crippled and to bring your health back up. That meant that you could use easily 5-6 stimpaks, because of that one grenade. In Fallout 4 you just jank one stimpak to the chest and everythings good. That explains why i have almost 200 stimpaks on me.
And you can just exploit that Power Armor, because Cores are far from rare (i found 4 in a suitcase that was on someones backyard for god's sake). I have so many Cores right now, that i think i could play the whole game in it.
I've tried playing F4 on hard, but all that does is making enemies bullet sponges. So i've had to shoot myself to the leg to get some challenge in game. I have endurance at 1 and i am only wearing a suit on normal difficulty.

So what has kept me going for 90 hours? It's the exploration and setting. You never know what you will find in the gameworld. I just love to go random places, loot everything, read those little stories tied to the place from terminals. Or environmental storytelling that Bethesda does quite well. Little details like skeleton laying in a bathtub with a toaster. All this while listening some good ol' tunes from the radio and laughing at the oddities of Fallout universe.

[frostypants]

"Your character build does not mean anything."

Your other points make sense but IMO don't impact the game much. This, however, I don't agree with at all. Your character build has a massive impact on what you can do in the game, from crafting to town management to combat effectiveness. It seems like you are completely ignoring the role perks play in the build (and how their availability is tied to the base SPECIAL attributes). There's HUGE variability in the progression path a player can take, and the impact on the experience is significant.

[SlightlyRetarted]

With a S4 P4 E1 C10 I6 A2 L1 starting attributes + first level to agility, you have every major perk unlocked from the start. Every crafting perk, lockpick, hacking, highest speech, sneak etc. all you have to do is to wait level requirements on perk ranks.
You are not left out of anything in the game with this build. You can use every weapon in the game, you can use every explosive in the game, you can access every container, terminal, locked room in the game, have highest chance to pass all speech checks. After those all the perks are just adding minor flavor to the character, like upping your damage with X weapons, better healing, more damage from criticals. Nothing game changing.

In previous games if you wanted to use heavy weapons well, you had to have high strength to pass strength requirements of heavier guns and invest skill points to Big Guns skill. If you wanted to throw grenades even little bit straight, you had to invest to explosives skill. Different skill checks in dialogue that could change whole quests. The list goes on and on how you needed to take a bigger role on something, while leaving some things out, to be great at something.

[Pintheshadows]

The thing is though, that only applies early on in the game. Up to maybe level 15, then the damage gap starts to grow. Later on tougher enemies will be incredibly difficult to take down.

For example, I neglected automatic weapons in favour of Semi-auto rifles and pistols. By the time I was about level 30 I tried out an automatic assault rifle. It was entirely ineffectual, barely doing any damage to a Raider Veteran. Same goes for big guns. Picking up a laser gatling late on when you have neglected the heavy weapons perk doesn't work unless you stumble into some weak enemies. Trying it on against a Super Mutant Primus will do little damage.

I get what you are saying with explosives, but even then, grenades become far weaker against powerful enemies if you neglect the explosives perk. Fatman, obviously, still works well. I neglected explosives. A point blank grenade blast to an Alpha Deathclaw (not a massively high level variation) does little damage. However, switching to .50 sniper with my current build will take it down in two shots.

At level 55 carrying weapons that require perks to be effectual is pointless. The reason it feels easy to use anything early on seems to be down to getting the player familiar with how they would like to play. Here are some weapons. What do you like? Put your points there.

[SlightlyRetarted]

I'm level 57 right now, with 1 point invested in gun damage perks. Not having any kind of difficulties in taking down enemies.

[frostypants]

No it's not. Not even going to read this clickbait. It's a dead horse argument that's been had countless times in the last 2 weeks.