Cryptic Konami tweets suggest MGS V may not be dead

Well, Metal Gear Solid fans have been through the ringer, haven’t they? It seems that, perhaps as homage to the struggles Venom Snake and his comrades faced, closure might still be a while away, with the series’ publisher Konami releasing a series of intriguing tweets this evening.

[Godmars290]

By many counts didn't they hold back maybe 1-2 chapters sell as DLC?

[AHall88]

Wouldn't be too crazy.
They sold the prologue, if you want to call it that, as a separate thing.

[LOL_WUT]

I bought both at launch and honestly this would be a pretty crappy move by kojima if the dlc does end up happening. If anything it should be free for that mess of a game that was mgsv ;)

[Grap]

Edit: "They sold a demo"

[showtimefolks]

I am a huge mgs fan and a kojima fan but I don't blame konami as much as I blame kojima

Let's look at the facts

Kojima was given over 5 years to develop mgs 5
Kojima was given a budget of 85 to 90 million

Kojima for his part wanted to attract new fans instead of making his long time fans happy. He went over board with an open world mgs game where the world is empty and with credits before a chapter everything is spoiled

Mgs series is known for its cut scenes and awesome boss battles

And mgs 5 didn't have many cut scenes or any memorable boss battles

The story of mgs 5 is hidden behind cassette tapes. That makes no sense

Part of me is very happy that we may get mgs games in future under different director. Kojima this wasn't the way to go out

So keep blaming konami and they do deserve a lot of the blame but let's not give kojima a free pass

Also if you were the boss at konami and making so much money from mobile and not as much from AAA would would still focus on AAA or mobile? End of the day it's a business

Kojima made konami buy than in return kojima is super rich because of konami too.

Also mgs series isn't a big Sellar but the budget for making the games was always high. For as many game entries as mgs has look at overall sales compared to other series

Kojima could have made a amazing mgs game but instead focused on attracting new players and while doing that over looking and leaving behind his long time fans

[Concertoine]

And who do you think made all those design choices, though? Do you think Kojima did a total 180 and just completely abandoned his idea of what games are (since Snatcher and Policenauts, not just MGS), or do you think Konami insisted he make the series more catered to casuals?

They both probably play a role in this, but i can almost guarantee you Kojima didn't take out cutscenes and such.

[-Foxtrot]

This, this and this

Well Said

It's Kojimas fault as well, he sold out fans for new fans and the game ended up being a huge letdown

[showtimefolks]

Concer

Against you are assuming that konami was at fault. I don't even think konami forced kojima to sell mgs ground zeroes as a demo. I think we are giving way too much crefit

Did konami also force him to hire a new voice for big boss?

Did konami force than not to use that voice actor for boss in most of the game

Did konami force kojima to make all that awesome music than give us one song in that boring jeep ride

Every trailer raised my expections. In every trailer it felt like a mgs game but final product just wasn't up to mgs standards

Whoever is at fault we as fans got screwed and now if there is dlc we will be more screwed

[showtimefolks]

I know that still the voice acting isn't there

[GTR]

LEGENDS NEVER DIE

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[PaleMoonDeath]

Kind of hope they really did hold back chapter 3 for DLC, I'm itching to finish the full story.

[ritchi45]

Hopefully it'll be free DLC. Paying for the rest of the game that should've been included in the first place is something I wont do personally.

[My_Outer_Heaven]

I will be honest, I'm a big Metal Gear fan but after chapter 1 I lost interest because the rest of the game was so short, disorganized and empty, repeating missions was a bad idea and it literally showed where development of the game stopped and where finessing what was already there had started.

The Eli and Mantis plot hole is huge and needs to be finished otherwise this game will forever be an unfinished and feel like a what could have been story. Chapter 3 Peace has so much potential to be something amazing.

I wish we could get the third chapter, I wish we could get the game that Kojima had fully envisioned. Why are you hurting us Konami? Don't waste all that prerecorded voice work. Use it and give us more story DLC, give us the ending we deserve. Many will gladly pay for DLC. Konami forget about the future, forget about MGS6 because you know it won't be the same as what MGSV was when Kojima helmed the directors chair. Please for the love of God finish the fucking game!

[SlightlyRetarted]

I don't understand why it had to even have chapters. Chapter 2 was so sparse, with Eli mission cut etc., that they should have just scrap the whole chapter idea and put everything together, minus the re-play missions. If they wanted to include those extreme etc. difficulties to certain mission, why not do them like in GZ, where you pick one before mission.

[Who]

I played MGS4 much more than I did TPP and GZ combined. Over 2500+ hours of MGO2 and about 4 hours of MGO3.

Konami seriously needs to revive MGO2 - bringing back its true fanbase. MGO3 is on life-support, even moreso now that new and better games are releasing.

[PaleMoonDeath]

MGO2 Vet here, Foxhound rank and all.

You're talking the biggest load of rubbish, MGO3 is incredible, sure it may not have a few options I missed from MGO2 like Runner+ etc but the class system is there to keep it even for everyone.

[Jerry Seinfeld]

A few options? LOL

Wheres my knife? Why can everyone wake up from being stunned after 8 seconds? Where is TSNE? Where is RES? Where is BOMB? Ability to change skills/loadouts between rounds. Placing C4/stun gas on enemies. Playing dead. Severe lack of customization for your characters. Headshots actually being worth a damn. Animal rankings. Clan system with emblems. Survival. Text chat. Far less codec dialog. I could carry full conversations in MGO2. Aiming up and saying "enemy spotted" to leave a marker where I was pointing.

Do you want me to go on??

[Jerry Seinfeld]

I too played around 3000 hours of MGO2 and I've been playing a lot of MGO3. ...because I know that by December it will be forgotten.

Why they threw out everything they learned with previous MGOs to bring us this mess is beyond me.

And forcing me to play with Japanese, Germans Australians, and Brits in the same game because there is no regional option for match making is causing a bullshit lagfest.

Fucking Redbars... Uhgg...

[Batzi]

Dead? Really? Since when?

[Activemessiah]

It's dead to most fans.

[DarXyde]

No, it isn't. You don't know most fans and neither do I...so you really can't say that.

Anyway, it would make no sense for it to be over just yet. We still don't know anything about how Venom accepts the truth or if Huey was actually in contact with the real Big Boss and was wrongly accused (we know as much about Strangelove only, but not about his activities "against" Mother Base). Additionally, I think I speak for most by saying I don't buy the whole "men become demons" bit. I don't believe it was realized at all. We would likely see him become a demon following The Man Who Sold the World. That would be a good setup for it.

[Activemessiah]

I meant the franchise, now that Kojima is gone, once this gaame is done, it's dead... they can release another MGS but it's dead to fans.

[DarXyde]

You really weren't particular and it's very easy to interpret that as you talking about MGSV because this article is about...MGSV.

That aside, that's an overgeneralization anyway. Hideo Kojima does great work and I'm willing to bet very many people (perhaps most) aren't even aware of the controversy between him and Konami. People will still buy Metal Gear Solid.

I'll wait until I hear what exactly happened regarding this whole fiasco. I think the world is too quick to praise Kojima because he's a great director and Konami sucks now. Doesn't mean this particular situation wasn't justified in its conclusion. If Konami was in the wrong, I'll gladly buy their games used. Otherwise, I'd only ignore a new MGS if it's terrible, digital only, or didn't care at all about the story. If they're looking to fill in some of the gaps between The Phantom Pain and Metal Gear, it would be the only thing that captures my interest. And that's just me. I'm sure others have or will have formed a plan by the time it comes around. Imagine if they contact extremely talented developers from other teams to make it.

I imagine the internet is actually a minority of fans, so the outrage is probably non-existent in the larger population. Who knows.

[Activemessiah]

I know i come across as a Kojima fanboy but it couldn't be further from the truth. The final nail in the coffin wasn't him leaving.. I think I would have been ok with that but the actions of Konami spoke volumes in terms of what they are, they've shown their true colours to the point of challenging EA for their crown made of excrement.

[nowitzki2004]

Its been dead to me.. Got MGSV and Mad Max and MGSV got so boring so quick. Mad Max was the better game for me.

[DarXyde]

Activemessiah,

Not at all, mate. I don't see you as a Kojima fanboy. Personally, I think being a fanboy is a testament to what a person or company does to keep you happy. It's when it gets condescending and berating that bothers me. :0)

Konami has certainly been shady. The cancellation of Silent Hills and cutting chapter 3 work well in making Konami an easy company to dislike. I'd like to know why they still aren't willing to talk about it just yet. That's what makes me very concerned. We have no details, just hearsay.it really makes you wonder what went down.

Nowitzki2004,

Cool story. Still enjoyed the game very much. Story was a letdown for me, but the gameplay is solid. Different strokes.

[nowitzki2004]

Gameplay is great.. Everything is just so repetitive, even the environment.

[_-EDMIX-_]

I don't wish to spoil anything for anyone that doesn't know the series, but some of the answers to those questions are actually already in MG series if you look at the timelines.

They might focus on a lot of that with Chapter 3, so I won't say anything as I feel if I actually say so, I might ruin it for others that haven't put those connections in the other games in this game.

...if that makes any sense.

@DarX- I don't know about all that. MGS has a big fan base, but many of them I would not really classify as casual fans.

Many games have histories of selling poorly when the original developer actually leaves. Consider Rising wasn't done by Kojima....notice the sales.

The reason behind MGS's love...is a lot to do with Kojima, him not being there I 100% believe will negatively impact the future game IF they even do another console one.

They are focusing on mobile and even just closed down a studio in LA. They are not going to even make one on console if you see the moves and statements they are making.

[_-EDMIX-_]

@DarX- " I think the world is too quick to praise Kojima because he's a great director and Konami sucks now. Doesn't mean this particular situation wasn't justified in its conclusion."

Not really. He is an amazing director and a revolutionary one at that. His design and direction is why you even have mo cap and voice acting now standard in games. In 1998 that was questionable, rare and MOST didn't do anything like that, yet MOST now days DON'T go into make a modern game without them. You may not like Kojima, but please...don't belittle what he's done in gaming, he paved the way for what you now see to day as normal. I can tell you now at 27 years old, that was NOT normal in 1998, even past that you still got games with mere text and animation work by hand.

Kojima can be at fault, but its not because he is a bad director, its because he is a CREATOR, he is a artist, his job is to make the BEST game he knows how and that requires a new engine, that requires lots of man hours and attention to detail. Even the WORST MGS title, is still light years beyond many, many titles in design, detail, concept etc.

Kojima is at fault for clearly using all that time and money to make MGSV, I don't disagree with that, but I don't see that as a bad thing. His job is to make the best game NO MATTER WHAT.

Konami's job is to MAKE MONEY clearly while using as little as possible.

What is good for Kojima, is bad for Konami.

They are both correct to part ways, but consumers don't need to side with a publisher that is angry at a director for creating some revolutionary amazing work. FOX engine puts many, many engines in Japan TO SLEEP. Its working flawlessly on 5 platforms and scales amazing from low end to high end, P.T is still right now one of the greatest looking Horror titles.

Kojima would have been very much WELCOME to work with other publishers that actually give a damn about quality and can afford his talents.

Konami makes 100% sense to bow out of high end console gaming if they can't afford it.

Again...neither are really wrong. As a gamer, I'm easily going to side with Kojima as MGSV to me, is easily the greatest MGS ever made. I personally LOVE the story, LOVE the gameplay and it focus on stealth and difficulty and the deep, deep attention to detail. Mother base is more detailed then entire games I've seen before lol The architectural detail in motherbase is literally INSANE! Its something you legit only find from teams like Kojima's and Square's main FF team where they go leaps and beyond to craft something unbelievable.

[MSF89]

Venom Snake AKA Punished Snake AKA Big Medic AKA Ahab AKA The Phantom AKA Big Boss AKA Ishmael AKA The Man Who Sold the World

[Blank]

Directed by Hideo Kojima

[ISHU]

Lol yeah

[thelaughingwiseman]

Those bastards. It was an incomplete story. They better give that 3rd part for free since it actually completes that damned story. Leaving it the way they did like that. In fact, I don't even think some parts needed to be in the game. They could have completed the story with out missing some parts. Instead, we got an unfinished story and repeating missions (on more difficult settings). I highly doubt they will do this though. They will "hear fan outrage" and sell off the rest of the DLC. They will add that they "Worked with Hideo" and have his name added to the advertisement (even if he most likely won't have worked on most of the 3rd part) of the DLC so that those upset fans would flock to it and pay without hesitation. That game pisses me off. Paying money for an incomplete game and paying more money for the final part?

[Summons75]

It wasn't complete at all...but I agree they should finish it since they clearly rushed the game just to get it and Kojima out the door

[_-EDMIX-_]

I agree in that it looks like they cut out chapter 3, but that doesn't mean the game was rushed....it just means they likely cut out chapter 3.

I say "likely" as even the PC version with files from Chapter 3 doesn't even have much complete from it, which means....it wasn't even done, so how could it be cut?

Unless it was cut and those files where set up as place holders.

But who knows. I also don't like using the term "cut" as how can something be "cut" from content of an IP we don't even own in the first place?

I don't know if more time would have mean't they would have had Chapter 3, none of us actually really know that. For all we know they were never going to add Chapter 3 from the start and where always going to sell it as DLC.

Many have theories about all DLC merely being "cut content", but this is one of the few games its probably very, very likely in terms of content that was made, then likely taken out or delayed to be made for another price.

Consider Kojima's team doesn't do DLC in terms of story stuff....consider Konami made them do Ground Zeros..could Konami have not made them have chapter 3 as something else?

Rushed is to assume with more time, it would have that, I'm not to sure about that as Konami was looking to recoup cost back. They likely never had any plans to ever have Chapter 3 in the main game.

Kojima not doing DLC in the past games in terms of story likely didn't have anything to offer in terms of how he made MGSV, Konami clearly found something they could have as something else to sell after the fact.

[milohighclub]

played all the metal gear solid series from the ps1 onwards n gotta say tpp is shit. fully disapointed n wish i could get my money back tbh i can't even bring myself to do the last missions as they are repeats n think whats the actual point. fu konami.

[Dungus]

Of course it's not dead. If there's money to be made, you can be sure Konami will be all over it for as long as they can (including Pachinko machines).

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

They played us like a damn fiddle!

[Number-Nine]

MGS5 is dead. Worst game in a stellar franchise

[silkrevolver]

I'd be fine with it as DLC, honestly. I put 45 hours into the thing, and most of that was amazing gameplay. Yes, the story was disappointing and incomplete. Yes the second chapter is completely unnessecary. There are undeniable negatives to this game.

I'd be insanely hard pressed, however, not to call it a great game overall. It honestly could have been the best MGS if certain aspects were significantly changed. Fans, in my opinion, are way too hard on this game. Yes, their complaints are valid, but it is absolutely not a bad game. Besides, it's a vocal minority who legitimately hate the game. Most everyone staying quiet love the thing.

[MaxiPower90]

Seriously fuck up with these mgsv posts. Suck of hearing about it.

[flyingwombat33]

So I see that Kojima still releases very divisive games. The argument over MGSV rages on, and I'm sure it will, just as MGS4, 3, and 2 before it. The only one it seems everyone agrees on is the first.