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Square Enix Working Through Trial And Errors For Final Fantasy VII Remake’s Battle System

“As far as its visual direction goes, we already have a good idea. On the other hand, we’re advancing through trial and errors as far as the battle system goes,” said Yoshinori Kitase.

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DarkOcelet3194d ago

The battle system is going to stark a big controversy among its fans.

Hopefully the gameplay is amazing though and hopefully the graphics exceeds FFXV which looks really damn good.

Lennoxb633194d ago (Edited 3194d ago )

I don't think they're making it for fans of the original. I think they are trying to get more people into FF. People who wouldn't have been interested in FF if this was just a remaster.

@Foxtrot
That has been the plan for the most recent FF's. I don't think Square Enix is going to lose any fans from changing gameplay a little. That's why some of the biggest franchises can go through changes and still sell.

@MasterCornholio
A remake isn't all for nostalgia. It's to modernize it as well. If a movie gets remade, it doesn't just bring it forward while keeping the same exact quotes. They rewrite them around the same idea (while keeping some of the more famous quotes).

-Foxtrot3194d ago

Isn't that the whole point of FF15

FF15 - It's new, it's different, it has a bigger chance of drawing in new fans and those they lost with FF13

FF7 Remake - For old fans as they've been asking for it for years. Hopefully it will be just as good to get new fans aswell but they should like the game for what it was. If you change a game to suit new fans then they don't like the old game....they like something completely different.

MasterCornholio3194d ago

The remaster already exists.

:I

You can still remake the game and keep the gameplay the same.

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kayoss3194d ago

@Greatness
But one of the key element that made FF7 special was its battle system. Yes it was turned base but for a good reason. With how the the Materia and summons work in FF7, im not sure how they will implement it if they were going with an action battle system. The enemies in FF7 are elemental base and are weak against certain elements and im not sure how we would change elemental attacks or spell on the fly if its action based. But i guess we have to wait and see.

Irishguy953194d ago (Edited 3194d ago )

Seriously Kayoss?

Some people have literally no imagination. FF7 could easily be converted to Action. You guys act like Action RPGs are just action games.

Foxtrot, it doesn't matter. None of the FF7 devs want to keep the same battle system. The vast majority of gamers prefer action based over turn based. THeres simply a bigger market for this remake. The devs have consistantly said the battle system will be different.

capn_crunch3194d ago (Edited 3194d ago )

Don't act like no fans of the original want to play it in a new way either. I'd be happy with any battle system that's not the FF13 one, to include action rpg combat.

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AnotherProGamer3194d ago

FFVII is running on Unreal 4 and its more linear than FFXv so of course it will look better

nitus103194d ago

Simple just give the option of "Active Turn Base" or "Turn Base". The last three Final Fantasy games prior to FF7 had this. Basically FF7 was a departure from that by just having "Turn Base" only.

Of course they could go with the paradigm system of FF13 or even something like the ATB/TB programming style of FF12 but I do think this will create even greater controversy.

Personally I would like to see the "Battle Arena" done away with like they did in FF12 where there is no change in your environment and you can even move around or run away if required. This type of thing is fairly common to action RPG's. I do have the feeling that this would not be a popular move especially for nostalgia buffs.

BTW. FF10 was also "Turn Base" only, but it did have the feature of being able to swap in and out party members so all participating party members gained experience. FF12 also had this feature but only surviving members got the battle experience.

Twinblade3193d ago

If they change it to hack and slash FF, I am going to be really pissed off.

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ThatEnglishDude3194d ago

"we’re advancing through trial and errors as far as the battle system goes"

That translates to me as:

"We have no idea what the !@#$ we're doing."

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-Foxtrot3194d ago (Edited 3194d ago )

They are doing trail and errors yet I really feel like we'll see it either being like Final Fantasy 15s battle system or Final Fantasy 13s

Can we just have a faster paced turn based combat with something like the ring system found in Lost Odyssey which keeps you more engaged.

I know it's wrong to think but hopefully if they p*** off old fans with whatever they do the uproar will help them to go on a better path with Final Fantasy 8 when they remake that one.

showtimefolks3194d ago

fox

I think they will go with something like ff15 gameplay to be honest with you. I see square enix going with eal time combat for all future ff games

ff7 might be a remake but I think they will choose real time gameplay to attract those new to ff series. ff7 will very likely come after ff15 so they will want those new fans who bought ff15 based of real time gameplay to buy the remake too

Atleast that's what I am hoping for

ninsigma3194d ago

I'm hoping it won't be like 13. I'd rather the remake wasn't turn based but I would pick copy paste combat from the original oversions ff13 combat xD

I do hope it will be a more advanced ff15. It's what I've always wanted from an ff7 remake.

Roccetarius3194d ago (Edited 3194d ago )

Fox, even you should know that FF7 wasn't turn based, considering it was an active timer system.

FF7 was like FF12, but the combat presentation is different. That's the simplest way to put it.

You do mention Lost Odyssey, which had the ring system (even if simple) and was actually turn based. I would have no complaints if they made it like that, but chances are they're going to cater to the action crowd.

Being brutally honest here, fluff the action crowd in this case.

nitus103194d ago

Sorry FF7 was "Turn Based" only and was a departure from previous FF games which had the option of "Active Turn Base" as well.

FF12 was both TB and ATB as well as having the ability to program each character's battle styles and reactions to different enemy actions and their attributes as well as reacting to their party members statuses.

As an example. You could program one character to cure any party member of poison while another could cure party members if their health dropped below say 50% with an item or spell.

Personally I don't think full action would work well with a party unless you have a means of programming your party members. In games like Skyrim your party members are basically un-killable although they can be put out of action for a short while and you can kill them permanently yourself if you are not careful.

Saigon3194d ago (Edited 3194d ago )

To me they should add two battle system method and the player chooses which to use. A new redesigned battle system and the classical, original system.

ninsigma3194d ago

We'd like the game to release! XD

Whatever way they do it, one group is not going to be happy. I'll be happy either way. Why?? Because it's and ff7 freakin remake! :D

trenso13194d ago

FF7 was ATB FF13 was just fast ATB so knocking FF13 for FF7 doesnt make sense. Knocking FF13 for auto battle yes but the hard fights in the game could not be won win with auto battle

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showtimefolks3194d ago (Edited 3194d ago )

please make it real time like ff15. if you want to attract more gamers than turned based is not the route to go Atleast in my personal opinion

make all future ff games real time combat.

I am buying ff15 because it's not turn based

and I will buy ff7 als if it's not turned based

you can hate my opinion but turned based work for its time but now technology has advanced to a point where they don't to rely on turned base and instead can focus on real time cinematic game play

again I am not saying my opinion is right or it matters more Than others. if square enix wants my money than ff7 needs to be real time is all I am saying. I am not a fan of turned based gameplay

lennox

like I said technology has come so far that they can achieve so much going with real time gameplay.

jjshredder

true if they keep it old school Than not many new fans will buy it and if they change it than old school fans will not be happy either

they are in a tough spot for sure

I say ff15 is kind of a new beginning got ff series and any new fans who buy it and like the gameplay will most likely also pick up ff7 remake if the gameplay is sort of same with improvements

Lennoxb633194d ago

Although I still like turn based, I agree with you. Turn based was good for its time.

xPaYDaYx3194d ago

I agree that a lot of gamers (at least in the west) like super fast paced action games. Though if they choose to go that route with every single future FF, which game series will fill the voice? I know I would be quite sad, I love me some turn-based gameplay.

trenso13194d ago

Just because it isnt a turn bassed game doesnt mean it has to be super fast paced.

Eiyuuou3194d ago

Yet in this day and age, turn based is as popular as ever. Just look at the SMT series for example.

showtimefolks3194d ago

is that why ff15 is not turned based? I just gave my opinion and if you don't agree that's fine

but I personally don't like turn based gaming that's all my point is

Eiyuuou3194d ago

Oh don't get me wrong, I like action battle systems as much as you do, but I'd like to see another decent ATB-styled FF again, and FFVII would be perfect.

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JJShredder3194d ago

No matter what they do, it's going to Pi$$-off huge chunks of people.

I absolutley adore FF7 but it should never of been remade in the first place.

Just like Half-life 3 should never be made either, it will never live up to fan expectations just like this remake.

I will , in hypocritical fashion, buy both of them of course.....SMH...

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Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth Understands That A Tonberry Is The Scariest Thing In The World

The tiny green slasher villain returns in Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth, and is as frightening as ever.

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MeteorPanda18d ago

The way it was handled was so dumb. One shots in melee...your teammates are to ostupid to get away from its attack. So you most often end up alone in a certain fight.

Hofstaderman18d ago

Two words, one accessory....Safety Bit

MeteorPanda18d ago

Needing an accessory to keep a.i from dying and only one of them isnt great.

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Final Fantasy 7 Remake Part 3 Expected to Release Around 2027, Says Square Enix

It's fairly common knowledge that Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth enjoyed a relatively smooth development cycle, owing to the fact that Final Fantasy 7 Remake's team was largely kept intact, and the first game had obviously laid the foundations in terms of visuals and gameplay systems. It took Square Enix around three years to craft Rebirth, and it expects the same kind of timeline when it comes to the third (and final) title in the trilogy.

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lucian22941d ago

Soooo long. Sigh lmao gonna be a long long wait.

Cacabunga40d ago

Yes but better they take their time with such game. A good argument to get PS5 Pro

Sonic188140d ago

The PS6 might be out by then

Cacabunga40d ago (Edited 40d ago )

In 2,5 years? No way .. Pro will be around for at least 2 years..

RaidenBlack40d ago

Might be an unpopular opinion here, but I wish the remake was a 2-parter not a 3-parter.
Die-hard fans will disagree and I get it but ... I think they're stretching the project abit too much imho.

lucian22940d ago

considering how much story is in the original, i think it's fine. Everything is very well elaborated and the connection to those characters are much greater thanks to it. Like, i like seeing tifa and aerith as best friends for example. the fact the first 2 games in this trilogy basically only covered the first disc of the original is kinda crazy tho lol

Becuzisaid40d ago

@lucian That first disc was a whopper though. I don't remember the second being as long, and the third is basically just the final dungeon.

I'm glad they did 3 games. The first 2 have been absolutely phenomenal. Looking forward to the Weapons (the real ones) waking up and attacking, the underwater exploration (they set that up pretty good with the lore of Under Junon), and finally Cloud's big reveal. It'll be real interesting to see how they handle the repercussions of Cloud's behavior from Rebirth and what he's going to do in Part 3. Like the party should realistically just abandon him for being such an a-hole, and after what he did to a Tifa. They really played up the whole Sephiroth mind control thing in Rebirth. They really need to nail the emotional payoff to that. Hope it's not just swept under the rug by the party and just move on post Lifestream.

-Foxtrot40d ago

Also 3 games and then a Crisis core remaster

Then god knows what else

It’s overkill

I’d under the trilogy if they lived up to their excuse about it being about expanding the lore. Like they said the first game would heavily expand the lore of Midgar through side missions but the side missions didn’t do that at all, they were all pretty generic. Felt like a bad excuse to justify 3 games.

-Foxtrot40d ago

Least we have a potential date

Although now I’m just thinking

“Damn 3-4 years to see if we’ll ever get a FFVIII remake next”

VersusDMC40d ago

Apparently there is a IX remake getting made. You need that to come out and be successful before a VIII remake is even possibly green lit.

But if you're thinking the FF7REMAKE team is making a FFVIII remake after part 3...that is not happening. They are definitely making a new FF after.

-Foxtrot40d ago

Well apparently IX is coming first because the VIII team are working on the VII remakes

So if they get finished then hopefully they will work on VIII next

You say it won’t but I’m hoping they will…just something less ambitious

TheEroica40d ago

Yikes.... Sales are already lower than expected for the sequel. Third game is gonna be lower....

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GoodGuy0940d ago (Edited 40d ago )

I really think it should've been just one game or two at most, kept to the simple turn based combat, and no crazy changes to the story. But it's whatever. I liked rebirth but man was it bloated with so much unnecessary and repetitive stuff. Square is really betting their money on the remakes. I do admit the remakes have been the only mainline ff games Ive actually quite liked since probably 10 lol.

Lexreborn240d ago

I don’t feel like it’s bloated, it’s more or less all the same content that was in the original for mini games but they expanded everyone’s narrative better.

I am glad they expanded even on the characters that came in later games that wasn’t in the original. It’s a weird position we keep putting devs in when one moment we say give us a complete game with tons of content. They deliver said content and then we treat it like it’s overwhelming or to much.

Crazy part is you could just focus on the story and do none of the “bloat”. Gamers really seem to never be happy when you look online forums

rambot8940d ago

Wouldn’t make sense financially. 1 game would involve a mammoth amount of development time and a gamble to say the least. Making one part of the game and seeing if it makes $$$ gives reason to justify making a part 2 and 3 and make more money too.

OtterX40d ago

That's pretty crazy if you think about the 2005 PS3 tech demo that started this all! I'm not sure if they ever intended to remake the game at that time, but the fan outcry for it was so incredible that it eventually became a reality! Now imagine all of the fans who have died waiting for this. :\

GamerRN40d ago

That's how you turn an 80$ game into a $240 game

jambola40d ago (Edited 40d ago )

Which game is 240?
You must've bought from a bad scalper because I got both games for normal price each

GamerRN40d ago

How much did each part cost?

Lionsguard40d ago

I mean not too surprised, they already have most of all the assets already made. I just hope it's UE5 and they crank it to 11 and finish strong. I also hope they go back and upgrade Remake and Rebirth to UE5 too. BUY THE DAMN GAME PEOPLE!!

franwex40d ago (Edited 40d ago )

For all the complaints about GAAS and same thing getting released every year. It’s almost dumb that gamers here don’t support a game like Rebirth.

MrNinosan40d ago

Rebirth is selling great and is supported. Don't worry.

MrNinosan40d ago

It won't be UE5.
If that wad the case, we wouldn't play it in 3 years.

Becuzisaid40d ago

And it would likely play like trash compared to the first 2, at least on PS5.

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Original Final Fantasy 7 - Is it Worth Playing in 2024?

Final Fantasy 7 has come back under the spotlight thanks to the release of Final Fantasy VII Rebirth, but is it worth replaying the original?

ravens5244d ago

Got to Zacks part in 7 Rebirth. Said f it. Finishing my game in 7 og. Just got to part 2 yesterday. I also got Crisis Core... So it'll be a while before I'm back to Rebirth. I just keep thinking about it too smh, want to get back to playing it. Not till I know Zacks story though. I beat 7 og sooooooo long ago, it's crazy going through it again and remembering things.

MrNinosan44d ago (Edited 44d ago )

Got to Zacks part in Rebirth?
You mean you started the game and turned it off?
The game starts with Zack...

ravens5244d ago

... Really 🤓 lol. His second part, I've played for 80hrs lmao. <---- PS5 Run time, probably not all game time. You guys know how it goes.

VIK212144d ago (Edited 44d ago )

Did you not ever play the OG FF7? After you recruit Vincent, later in the game, disc 3, return to that basement and look at the pod, there's a whole Zack story that'll trigger as a memory.... it's well hidden in the game and a lot of things regarding Zack are cleared up. FF7 Crisis Core is basically an extend feature of that hidden flashback... It took me years to discover it back then lol

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

MrNinosan44d ago

@ravens52
80 hours in Rebirth by doing everything, and you should've reached Zacks story about 5 times 🤣

ravens5243d ago

Ye I kno that's y I said not all gameplay time. But also I am very anal when it comes to exploring.

ravens5243d ago

Not to mention fighting Titan at his full strength. Hours spent trying still haven't succeeded. Found all 3 ruins but I'ma masochist when it comes to games.

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Barlos45d ago

Very much so. Graphically it's dated but the story and the gameplay haven't aged a day. It's still one of my all time favourite RPGs and for me is better than Remake in some ways.

Barlos44d ago (Edited 44d ago )

It always takes me back to Christmas 1997, I got it as a gift and I was blown away when I played it. I couldn't believe games could look that good. The combination of pre rendered backgrounds and FMV really made it stand out. It definitely still has a certain charm that modern games can't replicate.

I can't imagine people will still be talking about Remake and Rebirth in 27 years.

Tapani44d ago

Fully agreed. To me the atmosphere, pacing, gameplay and music are all better than in the remake.

Rebel_Scum44d ago

Yes, play this, skip remake, start rebirth for new players.

I_am_Batman44d ago

Skip Remake? That's terrible advice.

leahcim44d ago

Remake is so amazing, pure FFVII Love, play it on PS5 please! aww the graphics the battles, the music... a dream come true.

Rebel_Scum44d ago (Edited 44d ago )

I disagree Batman

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