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Is DLC harmful to the Industry? What does the future of the Gaming Industry look like? Part 1

Dan, joe and their guest Martini and Matt Discuss the topics of DLC and its effect on games and what the future of gaming might look like? Is the future in VR?

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user74029313274d ago

dlc is the only thing keeping the gaming industry alive, and also parity.

Killa783273d ago

Hardly, it's one of the main reasons I haven't bought the new Mortal Kombat or Destiny

thekhurg3273d ago

Nothing wrong with how destiny is handling content.

_-EDMIX-_3273d ago (Edited 3273d ago )

Put it this way....you don't see the post from the folks disagreeing, likely because they don't know enough to actually say against it.

It seems to be an assumption on what they "think" dlc all is.

With this idea that it would be better with "no" dlc as if that means the games would just come with the content that would be selling as DLC as free in the game.

That is like saying if I had a value meal that had a Burger, Fries and a drink, that if I sold a new sandwich on the side, that it would be assumed that if this new menu didn't exist....it would also be free with the meal, ie a Burger, fries, a drink and the new sandwich.

Just like any other business that contracts work out...they MUST BUDGET, the people who make those games need to be paid and they are only paid based on what they do.

To pay for them to make MORE content, is to also lose money IF that content is to not be charged or put on a separate budget. Games factually take more money to make and actually make LESS MONEY then years prior.

http://www.ign.com/articles...

Games generally get bigger and longer each installment, not shorter. Thus...how can one claim "cut content" or DLC shortening a game when many games are just the opposite?

Skyrim, bigger then,longer than Oblivion
GTAV, bigger then ,longer than GTAIV
Mario Kart 8, bigger then,longer than Mario Kart Wii
Smash Bros Wii U, bigger then,longer than Brawl
Arkham Knight, bigger then and longer than any other Arkham game.

....all have DLC. Thus...by default they are already larger, yet still have post launch content, thus your only getting MORE with DLC as the games have MORE by default.

http://www.vg247.com/2015/0...

http://www.gamercenteronlin...

http://www.gamespot.com/art...

The reality is...all this talk on "when" dlc is worked on or if its "concurrent" with development or after...means very little.

You nor I own the IP. Those that own it are free to have other teams working on DLC WHILE the main game is being worked on, they budgeted for a certain game at $60, they also budgeted for extras as well.

They can't afford to just put all that in a game for $60 and then have a whole team making more content for free. Either the team isn't getting paid or the publisher is making content for free.

Would you work for free? Would you being a business owner hire workers to create free content? It makes no business sense. At the end of the day, gamers are getting MORE with each game, with or without DLC, you are buying what they are offering, you are not buying ALL that the team created.

That is like saying when the Tekken Team made Smash Bros, they owe you Tekken 7 too as the worked on it during Smash Bros development.

Wait? Are you buying the game, or everything the team put their hands on? How is any post launch content yours based on being worked on during development? What if they made a sandwich during a lunch break...that yours too? It just sounds like entitlement. People are mad because they are not getting something for free and others get a longer game because they PAYED FOR A LONGER GAME.

Poli_Games3273d ago

Awesome read man! I defiantly understand where you're coming from. I myself don't have a problem with DLC if done right. I don't even have a problem with pre order bonuses. DLC to me adds longevity to a game. Nintendo with Mario Kart 8 and smash, offer great content at a reasonable price. Even Rockstar with Undead nightmare!
Yet day 1 dlc is something i cannot get down on. It just seems leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth. For example of Evolve paying 60 bucks for the game an extra 25 for a season pass then the 100 plus dollar day 1 dlc for skins and shit. When the game itself lacked in the content department.
Like i said, i am not against DLC in a whole as long as it offers me enough bang for the buck. The DLC the WItcher Devs offer seem like a great buy, where the call of duty dlc seems like a bit of a rip off. But that is just me!

Zenith4k3274d ago

Too me it's not because I have never bought a dlc unless it was free like the witcher at the moment ( who done it right, even if future ones you will might want to buy) but overall it's no concern for me unless they bring out games like evolve where future doc should have been there day one.

N4g_null3274d ago

Nintendo seems to be doing it just fine... What is bad for the industry is empty hype. that causes a collapse.

Poli_Games3273d ago

I agree with your statement that over hype is what's killing games. Games like titanfall and destiny would have been a bit better if their respective publishers didn't try to make their games sound like they were so revolutionary. They got their messaging messed up, which is another major problem. that's why 2014 was such a "blah" year. As for 2015 I have hope with games like bloodborne, witcher, and hell splatoon (I'm having a blast with that game) I think this year is going to be better.

Nevers0ft3273d ago

Yep. It's almost like the industry has selective amnesia and can't remember the what caused the gaming crash in the 1980s... Rushed/buggy games and terrible pricing decisions led to consumer distrust - then the ass fell out of the market for two years. I don't see how the current situation of spending gazillions on a game to the point that you need it to be a blockbuster just to get your money back, coupled with gouging on DLC and bug's everywhere is dramatically different.

N4g_null3273d ago (Edited 3273d ago )

well said both of you!

And the biggest hype of them all not living up to being even an ok game... ET. The money is polluting the direction of the games.

I love me some sony but they are becoming too much like MS in order to fight them. Nec, sega, SNK, even EA with the 3do, know that you can not count on 3rd parties eventually they will let you doing in order to take your place.

Ms is only here to win but not be really good at making games. They do tools and middleware... that is it.

This E3 I don't want to see a bunch of trailers. I want to see gameplay, no cgi for once.

wonderfulmonkeyman3274d ago (Edited 3274d ago )

It depends on how the DLC is done.
MK8 is a perfect example of a really good DLC model.

iplay1up23273d ago (Edited 3273d ago )

Right, MK8 is a COMPLETE game worth full retail price. You could pre-order 2 dlc packs for 8 bucks, that included 16 new tracks and extra charecters, karts, etc.
Now I think its $11.99.

12 bucks for adding soooo much more content is fantastic.

I wish Sega would have added even more tracks via DLC for All Star Racing, I love that game. Its not as pretty as MK8, but it is allot of fun. Probably Sega's last good game.

Highlife3273d ago

While I agree that mk8 is a good game how many of the tracks are actually new and not just hd rehashed tracks? Most of them are not new at all? Any other game would be crucified for that. Mk8 doesn't feel like a complete game to me just an hd version of the wii.

Knushwood Butt3273d ago

GT6 is a perfect example of a better DLC model.

Activemessiah3273d ago (Edited 3273d ago )

It's just the likes of EA and Activision who are giving it a bad name i.e literally asking devs to rip sections of the full game so it's sold later as DLC.

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Ubisoft say AC Shadows protagonists will be "romantically attracted to different types of people"

Ubisoft recently shared more details about Assassin's Creed Shadows protagonists, confirming that both of them will romantically attract and be attracted to different types of people.

Hugodastrevas3d ago

That should please everyone I'm sure...

RpgSama2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Feudal Japan DEI LGBTQ+ Samurai, sounds very accurate for the time period. Surely a decision made only with historical accuracy in mind.

Crows902d ago

Or even modern day accuracy.....

Lexreborn22d ago

You have no idea what you are talking about, bet you didn’t know nobunaga was bi-sexual. Or ran maru his is often depicted as androgynous was a “beautiful boy”.

So yeah, feudal Japan had tons of lgbtq and kawaii enough… A BLACK SAMURAI! All without the need of offending a Caucasian because the world is diverse.

VenomUK2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

This story has cracked me up so much! Bravo Ubisoft, bravo! 🤣. So last week everyone was upset that in the long-awaited first Assassin’s Creed: Japan game the protagonist is black. But NOW he is also LGBTQ+ ! It’s like the Ubisoft creative team sat around a table and said “How can we best impress our Kotaku/IGN/Polygon friends and antagonise gamers? Let’s make it woke x 100!’ And then they all silent clapped!

Just you wait until the Star Wars: Outlaws details come out, there better not be anybody complaining about Kay Vess’ dating preferences and the gay droid armies.

Christopher2d ago

It actually is.

Japanese were very Greek in their sexual experiences.

lodossrage2d ago

Lexreborn2 is right

Go read up on Japan's feudal era homosexuality and bisexuality was a very common thing in that time.

I just have to laugh because the same people complaining about this are the same ones crying about wanting "historical accuracy". When it's clear most of the whiners don't even know history themselves.

Christopher2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Facts don't care about downvotes, btw. You either claim to understand historical accuracy or you just admit you don't like the stuff people did throughout history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

thorstein2d ago

Japan had no Christian stupidity about sexuality.

That's where your nonsensical puritanical view comes from: the Abraham's faiths.

It's feudal Japan, they don't believe in your religion's made up nonsense.

I mean, if you're going to embrace a particular viewpoint, you should at least be aware of where it comes from. Most of the world doesn't care about your ideals.

In those days, they certainly didn't care about your religion.

Get over yourself.

RpgSama2d ago

All of you guys missed the point, I even said I'm very sure they did it ONLY because they wanted to be historically accurate. Stop defending this, we all know why they did it and who they want to pander, it's not out newfound respect for history.

lodossrage2d ago

@RpgSama

Nobody is defending anything.

People are just pointing out the fact that after they just cried about the game not being historically accurate, when they SHOW they're accurate, they cry about it because they don't like certain parts of history

Not to mention you contradicted yourself RPGSama. You just pointed out you said they "ONLY because they wanted to be historically accurate". Then turn around and accuse them of pandering and/or having an agenda. Those two things are opposing statements

Cacabunga2d ago

Dumbest decision ever.. always online was a pass for me but now not even for free I’ll try it..

LordoftheCritics2d ago

It's made by Ubisoft Montreal.

Obviously we'll be allowed to bang anything that moves.

RiseNShine1d 23h ago (Edited 1d 23h ago )

Yeha pretty sure.

H91d 22h ago

People actually telling you that Japan had sexual deviancy which is correct however what's hilarious is that they will act as if it holds the same moral value that the LGBT community holds today, oh the things men used to say about themselves when they are attracted to other men, it's not empowering in the least bit

senorfartcushion1d 20h ago

It was more common to be attracted to the same sex before the crusades.

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Tapani1d 18h ago

You are completely lost on Japanese history. Japan was one of the most liberal places in the world, and in many ways still is. You can slice and dice it from your western hubris and whatever point of view, but the reality is that history tells great stories about freedom of choice and people not being judgemental on this island. Also one of the reasons I want to raise my family here, no need to have those whatever Western woke bullshit here, because everyone just respects each other without using all that nonsense.

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CrimsonWing692d ago

Geezus, just make a good game… holy sh*t this is becoming insufferable.

Crows902d ago

Oh yeah!!!! What about being inclusive???

I'm sorry
..please replace the word inclusive with stupid.

Hofstaderman2d ago

You asking UbiSoft to make a good game? This is not 2002.

thorstein2d ago

I thought you crybabies wanted "historical accuracy." Now that your going to get it, you're going to cry more.

PRIMORDUS2d ago

It's past the point of retarded, everyone seems forced to do this bullshit now in games. 😑

Barlos2d ago

Hell no. A good game or film is secondary now to the agenda and the 'message'.

It's not enough to be simply entertained these days, there has to be an overarching real world narrative. I mean look at Dr Who as a recent example. Disney have completely destroyed it all in the name of 'diversity'.

senorfartcushion1d 20h ago

You sound like you don't have a very active sex life ,😅

CrimsonWing691d 20h ago (Edited 1d 20h ago )

Are you projecting? 😝

senorfartcushion1d 20h ago

It's the only thing that explains the incel crap. They can't simply be angry virgins who don't get any, so then a lack of a sex life i.e. a dad of three or something, is also a good additional explanation. They're either lonely and don't get any or too busy to get any. There's a horrible news for sexual control with incels, and they're angry because they simply aren't the right people to achieve that control. They're weaker animals.

notachance1d 19h ago

dude’s too busy commenting on other people’s sex life to actually stay on topic.

That or he’s angry but didn’t have half the brain needed to refute back so he went for the classic ad hominem fallacy.

senorfartcushion1d 17h ago

Notachance

It's a fact that remains true. The only way it can't be true is if humans were not greedy and heavily reliant on procreation.

Your username is fitting.

CrimsonWing691d 13h ago (Edited 1d 13h ago )

dude, let’s be real, you’re on a video game news site going into the comments section and taking time out of your life to go to war with people you think don’t f*ck. You sound as much of a virgin as any incel does.

Let’s be real, bub you’re just as pathetic as the rest of them. Anyone who would look at this who doesn’t waste their time on a video game news site or video games in general probably thinks the only thing you f*ck is your crusty ass pillow.

C’mon, man. Anyone who f*cks doesn’t immediately go into a comment section claiming others have no sex life. It’s just one of those things if you are getting your d*ck wet. It just comes off like you’re projecting in hopes to god nobody figures out you can’t get any, so you try to flex, even though you’re completely full of sh*t.

I mean, that’s the only thing that makes sense to me 😅.

senorfartcushion22h ago

I'm engaged without children - I'm doing just fine.

This is just nerd sites now. Users are just so angry and for basically the same reasons. Most people go through phases with this type of stuff but it's scary seeing the same attitudes being regurgitated over and over again. From what I've seen it's a strange mix of sexual frustration, lack of proper financing and the need to have 100% control over both so that they aren't taken away from the users.

CrimsonWing6915h ago

@fartcushion

Look, man, people are allowed to have opinions and show frustration with stuff. It has no bearing on them not getting sex or not making money.

I have no idea how people commenting on being tired of hearing about SJW sh*t being shown in the spotlight like some carnival sideshow where publishers are wanting some pat on the back for means they’re financially unstable and don’t have a sexual relationship.

What, are you on the spectrum? Like how do you come to that conclusion and make multiple responses to the discourse with “virgin alert” or “you need to have sex?” That right there is kind of sus to me.

I don’t know in what world you lived in where this hasn’t been a nerd site, but people are allowed to comment their thoughts on things and still have relationships. You’re just as much of a nerd as everyone in here.

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Hofstaderman2d ago

I take my hat off to you good sir. Brilliant.

Laskin2d ago

Thanks… I was originally going to write Samu-Bi but then I realized it was right there already so it works better

darthv722d ago

Is that genuinely a selling point for people?

RpgSama2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

They sure as hell want to see if it is, time and time and time again.

VincentVanBro2d ago

You have to understand they’re incapable of writing a good story so this is the best they could come up with

thorstein2d ago

Well, after last weeks crying about historical accuracy. Now Ubi days, " Oh, okay, historical accuracy: here you go."

Now you're saying you don't want the accuracy? Can you guys just make up your minds?

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notatallsurprisinggg2d ago

It's a genuine click-bait snippet to rile up people like you to push traffic.

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There are no "thoughtful" ads in video games, EA

There are no thoughtful ads in Video Games, EA. Leave them be.

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northpaws8d ago

I think the only type of games that can gets away with it would be sport games, having those sponsors ads on the side like on real life.

But don't put freaking Doritos ads in Star Wars or something, it breaks the immersion. If it is a pop-up ads, then big no.

Hofstaderman8d ago

EA can thoughtfully eff themselves.

Makersbreath28d ago

EA coming back for the crown of being perceived as the worst company in gaming.

Chocoburger7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

One of my favorite series is the THPS franchise, and it was packed with ads, but it didn't bother me. Posters for skateboard companies, JEEP, and Nokia phones. It did sort of fit in with the game world, but that was the past, these days ad would be intentionally intrusive or unskippable loading screen type of imagery. Ugh, I know EA would do it in a horrible fashion. Screw them.

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Activision team is opening a new game studio in Poland 'Elsewhere Entertainment' to build new AAA IP

Microsoft's Activision subsidiary announced today that it is opening a new game development studio to take advantage of the huge talent pool growing in Poland. It'll be the second Activision studio based in the region, joining Infinity Ward Krakow, although this studio is, in fact, not working on Call of Duty.

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Psychonaut858d ago

They’re not working on Call of Duty? Give it time.