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1st Contact: The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Performance Analysis inc Framerate

NX Gamer analyzing the performance of The Withcer 3 Wild Hunt on Xbox One.

Vahlok3305d ago

Very good job from CD Project.

christocolus3305d ago (Edited 3305d ago )

CD definitely did a great job. The framerate is a lot better now, even going above 30 most times,imo they should have just locked it at 30fps.

@Fauxfire

Lol. what are you on about?I did watch it. The target framerate is 30 and post patch it seems to remain above 30fps most of the time. Maybe you should watch it again and listen to the commentary too. ok?

Edit

I did watch and i listened. Are you saying you prefer the performance pre-patch?where some parts were below 30fps?

Fauxfire3305d ago (Edited 3305d ago )

"The framerate is a lot better now" did you watch the video? The difference between pre-patch and post-patch was barely that noticeable, in fact if you watch the video the pre-patch version seems to run more consistently at 30fps than the patched version

@ christocolus

Lol. That crazy jumping above 30 fps and back down to it drastically causes frame skipping which the video commented on being a bad thing, would have been better to keep consistent frame lock at 30 than jump around. Maybe you should re-watch it.

Edit

So you understand that frame skipping isn't awesome now...right? This is what I was saying. Occasional dips in frame rate seemed to happen a lot less, or to a lesser extent, in the pre-patched version than the massive jumps and drops in frame rate in the post patch version. Consistent frame rate is a bigger deal than running it at 40fps and dropping to 30fps every 15 seconds.

Transistor3305d ago

It's doesn't seem to be a frame rate problem, but a frame pacing problem.

Instead of going, 11223344

It's going, 11223334

Causing what looks like I stutter, from what I understand.

Genuine-User3305d ago (Edited 3305d ago )

Did you miss the part where he mentioned the frame-pacing issue and the micro-stutters?

Good thing is, since the average frame-rate is around 30, the developers should be able to fix (lock) the frame-pacing issue that is causing all the judder.

reynod3305d ago (Edited 3305d ago )

There is not much difference pre patch and post patch in terms of frame rate on the XB1.

Rather because the game is averaging around 30-35 fps, it feels jittery when you are changing camera angles.

I suppose you can expect the same on the PS4 version. Since PS4 is about 1.5X more powerful than the XB1 however it will be rendering a higher resolution too. Hence the patch probably wont fix much on the PS4 either.

On the PC though because people can run it to 60fps and beyond all of this becomes a non issue.

tuglu_pati3305d ago (Edited 3305d ago )

Found this review on Neogaf,

jump to around the 3:47 minute mark to listen the PS4 vs XBO graphics comparison post/patch.

Key points,

- Difference in lighting, PS4 seems to be brighter.
- All other assets are the same.
- XBO frame rate is more stable, PS4 frame rate shutters when using magic and fighting.
- 1080p PS4, Dynamic Res on XBO

Patch seems to remove AF on cutscenes on both versions.

here are some screen pre vs post patch

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

@reynod (below)

To my understanding, from the video its post patch. But the lighting on the PS4 post patch seems to be superior.

reynod3305d ago

@tuglu

Is the PS4 stuttering issue pre patch or post patch? Lets hope this gets fixed.

tuglu_pati3305d ago

Forgot to add link on my post above for the review,

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

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Dynasty20213305d ago

The way they improved the framerate was to lower the detail/anistrophic filtering.

It's being proven on NeoGaf based on the Xbox One's patch.

Don't fool yourself.

cayleee3305d ago

So thats not really optimization. Thats more like intentionally releasing a better looking game few days before release for screen shot purposes.

Later only to lower its settings. I am sorry CDPR but you may not have released a patch at all and released the end product to the reviewers to begin with.

If this becomes a trend among developers then i would call this cheating consumers.

MasterCornholio3305d ago

From what I understand in order to improve performance they reduced AF. I wonder if its the same for the PS4 version?

reynod3305d ago

Yes it looks like it. I think they proably reduced AF on the XB1.

According to some reviewers the PS4 has an OS bug which is why some games dont support AF. Witcher 3 on the PS4 might not be having AF to begin with.

BallsEye3304d ago (Edited 3304d ago )

No, it's the same. Look at scenes with textures that are at narrow angle. They look exactly the same. Pretty surprised xbox framerate goes up to 40 fps at times and average 34-35.

wegetsignalx3295d ago

It is proven the Witcher 3 Xbox day 1 patch reduces graphical features to improve framerate. You are wrong.

Fauxfire3305d ago

Well even after Day 1 patch frame rate still proves problematic... atleast on xbox one that is

Bigpappy3305d ago (Edited 3305d ago )

It is unlocked and stays above 30 even during battles. What were your expectations exactly?

It is a big, beautiful game. Go buy it and enjoy it and stop F**** with the developers. A lot of this stuff was not even necessary to enjoy the game. This stuff is welcomed, but is meant to reduce controversy when people like DF submit their microscopic analysis.

Fauxfire3305d ago

Is that what you saw in the video...that is not what I say. And if you listen to the video commentary he explicitly states the jumping above 30 and slipping below it is exactly the problem. DOES NO ONE ACTUALLY WATCH THESE VIDEOS!!!

tuglu_pati3305d ago

@Fauxfire

"DOES NO ONE ACTUALLY WATCH THESE VIDEOS!!!"

Man you are the one looking silly, please listen to the video again carefully. The author said that the only time the frame rate drops below 30 is coming out of cutscenes and loading times, for the most part the frame rate remains in the mid 30s sometime going above 40. Now I do agree with most here they should have locked it at 30, there is no point of having it unlocked.

Transistor3305d ago

Good that it's a frame skipping problem more than a frame rate problem.

Gamer7773305d ago (Edited 3305d ago )

Graphically demanding open world game showing great performance. CD Projekt Red knows how do multiplat development; EA, Activison and others could learn a thing or two from them.

RegorL3305d ago

Especially EA...

They have a lot to learn from CD Projekt Red I mean Dragon Age Inquisition did only release on five platforms. :S

https://www.youtube.com/wat...
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Gamer7773304d ago

EA and Ubisoft have more staff than CD Projekt Red, they could easy better optimize their games if they didn't rush them out.

RegorL3304d ago (Edited 3304d ago )

Changing subject?

"how to do multiplat development"

to

"they could easy better optimize their games if they didn't rush them out"

So, optimizing... Do you now say that CD Projekt Red with Witcher III has a better optimized game than Dragons Age Inquisition?

* Low end PCs?
Minimum PC Specs

OS:
Windows 7 or 8.1 64-bit => same
CPU:
AMD quad-core CUP @2.5 GHz => Phenom II X4 940
Intel quad-core CPU @2.0 GHz => Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz
System RAM:
4 GB => 6 GB
Graphics Card:
DirectX 10 => DirectX 11
AMD Radeon HD 4870 => HD 7870
NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT => GTX 660
Graphics Card Memory:
512 MB => ?
Hard Drive Space:
26 GB => 40 GB

* High end PCs?

OS:
WIndows 7 or 8.1 64-bit => same
CPU:
AMD six-core CPU @ 3.2 GHz => FX-8350 4 GHz
Intel quad-core CPU @3.0 GHz => Core i7 3770 3,4 GHz
System RAM:
8 GB => 8 GB
Graphics Card:
DirectX 11 => DirectX 11
AMD Radeon HD 7870 or R9 270 => R9 290
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 => GTX 770
Graphics Card Memory:
3 GB => ?
Hard Drive Space
26 GB => 40 GB

DAI PC Low vs Ultra
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

DAI PC 4k Ultra
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

WIII PC Low vs Med vs Ultra
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

WIII PC 4k Ultra (pre day 1 patch)
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

- hair is nicer in WIII other stuff is nicer in DAI (IMHO)

* XBox One?
- Possibly, with dynamic scaling Edit: or not Dynamic 1080pr
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
* PS4?

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RPGs are often huge, sprawling endeavours. With limited playtime, we have to choose wisely, so here's the best western RPGs available today.

SimpleSlave59d ago

"I started playing games yesterday" the List... Meh!

How about a few RPGs that deserve some love instead?
1 - Alpha Protocol - Now on GOG
2 - else Heart.Break()
3 - Shadowrun Trilogy
4 - Wasteland 2
5 - UnderRail
6 - Tyranny
7 - Torment: Tides of Numenera

And for a bonus game that flew under the radar:
8 - Banishers: Ghosts of New Eden

DustMan59d ago

Loved Alpha Protocol in all it's glorious jank. Great game.

SimpleSlave58d ago (Edited 58d ago )

Not only glorious jank, but the idea that the story can completely change depending on what you do, or say, or side with, makes it one of the most forward thinking games ever. The amount of story permutation is the equivalent of a Hitman level but in Story Form. And it wasn't just that the story changed, no, it was that you met completely new characters, or missed them, depending on your choices. Made Mass Effect feel static in comparison.

Alpha Protocol was absolutely glorious, indeed. And it was, and still is, more Next Gen than most anything out there these days. In this regard at least.

Pity.

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thorstein83d ago

.... from the 2000s (mostly).

shinoff218383d ago

I can't fk with this list. They missed on alot of games probably before the writers times. Also I know people loved some portal but I was never a fan.

Cacabunga83d ago

Tomb Raider 1
Driver 1
Abe’s Odyssey
FF6
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Street Fighter 2
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Inverno82d ago

Infinite but not the first two games? Witcher 3 but not the first two games?? GTA V but not literally any of the games before it??? Portal 2 but not the first? Also if you're going to play Shadow of The Colossus play the remaster and not the remake. Can't say I disagree with the list but my man it's all over the place.

Name Last Name82d ago

I mean some sequels are objectively better and you don’t need to play the whole series.

Inverno82d ago

But most of these games have a story to follow, sure you can catch up with a YouTube vid but where's the fun in that?

LucasRuinedChildhood82d ago (Edited 82d ago )

A list like this isn't telling you not to play the previous games if you want to. It's just giving you legendary games to play.

But tbh, you don't always have to force yourself to play every entry in a franchise to get to the better ones.

- The vast majority of Witcher 3 players never played the first 2 and had a great time. The first 2 games aren't in the same league.
- The GTA games are self-contained with the odd fun reference. You can easily jump into any of them.
- The Shadow Of The Colossus remake looks and controls better than the original (plus it has a 60fps option while the remaster is just 30fps). New players will enjoy it more.
- Portal 2 is a lot better than Portal 1 and takes the concept much further gameplay-wise. Storywise, Portal 1 is fairly light too. Not that you shouldn't play it but realistically ... you'd love Portal 2 whether you play it or not (at lot of Portal 2 players have never played 1).

Bioshock 1 is the only one I agree with you on simply because it's one the best games of all time and arguably better than Infinite. No other setting like Rapture.

Looking at the list, I'd recommend playing Uncharted 1 before 2 but no doubt, 2 is the legendary one you have to play.

Inverno82d ago

I get it, but that's just my opinion on his opinion. I just think that before you play a sequel you should still play what came before it. Maybe it's just me but i find it fascinating playing through the first game in a series and seeing how it has evolved through its sequels. Like I said I don't disagree with the list, other than SoTC which I strongly believe the remaster of the original should be played above the remake.

AuraAbjure82d ago

Awesome list! Hot take on Fear (and it's hard af expansion Persaus Mandate!) Bioshock Infinite is stellar, so is the Witcher 3 and you nailed it by having Ocarina of Time. So many fantastic games! Gotta play 'em all! Next one on my list is Prey after I beat Dead Space 2 and Splinter Cell Conviction.

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