Did Valve Help Make PS3's Orange Box Suck?

Ripten's Dan Landis writes:

"In a recent interview at E3, Valve Software's Erik Johnson stated that the PS3 port of The Orange Box was done "mostly" by EA. So if it was only "mostly" done by EA, does that mean that Valve actually had a hand in making a game they consistently denied being a part of? Why does that even matter?

The only reason this could be a big deal is because Gabe Newell has always been down on the PS3, even going so far as to call it "a waste of everyone's time." Valve has always denied having a hand in the PS3 port, placing all of the blame for The Orange Box's issues squarely on EA's shoulders..."

The writer goes on to discuss why he thinks Valve was not actually involved and that this is all the result of angry fanboys.

[Twizlex]

I hope people read the whole thing before making stupid comments...

[cp68]

Read the entire article before posting, which is generally what fanboys do. Read, then comment.

[Nostradavis]

If they read it the fanboys would actually realize this has nothing to do with Sony or the PS3 and everything to do with a publisher not taking the time to make a proper port!!!

[MonkeyMan]

Could you give me a summary of this, I don't like to read stuff.

[gambare]

It say :

Valve is too lazy to learn a different architecture from the PC standard.

[spunnups]

because the PS3 gamers were stiffed with a half ass product, While Valve is being so stubborn and lazy they failed to make a quality product, thus bringing in more money. It's a lose lose situation for everyone. The orange box is a handful of great games, too bad us PS3 owners had to be stuck with such a bad port. It's not he PS3's fault, it's EA's and Valves.

[deeznuts]

1. Twinkies.
2. PC
3. Twinkies.
4. 360.
5. Twinkies.

That is the order of Gabe Newell's priorities.

[Tarasque]

Well if i was valve i would be the same way, unless sony was going to feed me money for my expense's. It is just to costly to learn new tech nowaday's and then make a game for a machine where it might not sell well at all is a big gamble. And a gamble they do not want to take.

[solidt12]

Here is a link to the new game Gabe is featured in "Fat Princess"

http://shhhoff.gametrailers...

[ElementX]

You mean there's more to the story than the title and snippet?

[Twizlex]

Believe it or not, most people never read more than that. Then they make stupid comments that make them look like complete morons to the people that actually do read the whole thing. That's the problem with the ADHD-riddled youth of today.

[Sheddi]

ohh...my...god! that cant be !

[VaNdAl]

Gabe Newell: DirectX 10 for Vista was a http://www.heise.de/english... Newell Explains Why Valve Hates The mac http://kotaku.com/gaming/pl... Newell: Half-Life 2 on Xbox Was a http://www.gamedaily.com/ar... Newell: Xbox 360 Makes My Life Worse http://news.teamxbox.com/xb... head honcho and former Microsoft employee isn’t happy

[unamed08]

Great editing ripten! By the way, if anybody hasn't seen this then make sure to do so right now! It;s on badjoystick, and talks Gabe Newell
http://shhhoff.gametrailers...

[whoknew]

He's right, it is the fault of angry fanboys. their the cause of all the worlds problems.

Global warming? - Yep, fanboys did it. High gas prices? Yep, fanboys again. LOL.

Damn stupid fanboys!

[Kami]

"OMFG! he has 3 chins" lolololol

[ape007]

how the hell you want your game to suck

such ridiculous article

valve just do like infinity ward

[Twizlex]

You need reading comprehension lessons.

[Nostradavis]

Stop picking on the ape. Lets see you swing from a tree Twiz.

[Twizlex]

N4G needs a more advanced contributor test, or a separate process for approving stories. All the people reporting this story need to go back to school, or maybe they're still in school. Freaking nazi morons.

[Nostradavis]

If they read it the fanboys would actually realize this has nothing to do with Sony or the PS3 and everything to do with a publisher not taking the time to make a proper port!!!

[TheColbertinator]

Wish I could help that guy lose a couple of pounds.I mean he is my one of my favorite PC programmers but...oof he needs Wii fit or something.

[Mr Fancy Pants]

what is the point of this article? we should start to make random theories because an editors said that one person from valve said that EA did "most" of the game?

i know valve it's proclaiming that they have nothing to to with the port but man it's their game! it's not like EA was going to start it from scratch... so in fact EA did most if not it wouldn't be a valve game don't you think.

BTW you should stop posting crap Twizlex

[GameDev]

valve orange box and EA, who is the ass ranger the moderates this site??

first you ban me from the gamer zone for "attacking" fellow n4g'ers.

i make it a point to not attack anyone and now you ban me for "fanboy comments"????

go eat a d!ck you douchebag, go ahead and ban me, it'll stop me from coming to this sh!t site run by xbots.

[Twizlex]

You're a f*cking idiot, Mr Fancy Pants. The article says the same thing you say, and you'd know that if you actually read it instead of just reading the snippet on n4g.

GameDev, this site is certainly NOT run by Xbots. There are significantly more Sony Fanboys here. I have no problem getting anti-Xbox articles approved, but it takes a miracle to get anti-Sony articles approved. But I agree with you - this site is run by asses that don't even understand the rules they're supposed to be enforcing.

[tplarkin7]

N4G has become a cesspool of fanboy gossip. Something needs to be done. I'm sure they make enough money to hire a moderator with final say on articles.

[Bon Scott]

increased.
Guess when you're a hater of something,like he is of the Ps3,
there's not much hope.
He must really believe it will not benefit Valve financially to support Sonys console.

Who would have thought that something like this could have happened to Sony this gen,when we were in last gen.

Weird.

Well,Sony has Blu Ray and a ton of first party devs to carry it through.......if the games are worthy,that is.

[PirateThom]

Gabe is a PC fanboy, the only reason they like the 360 (and by like, I mean cash in on) is because of similar architecture.

He's biased against the PS3 and Wii because he'd actually have to try something different on them.

[Mr_Showtime1]

He hates the Wii cause it involes movement to play.

He once trashed a walmart trying to break thier Wii fits.

[unamed08]

http://orangeboxpetition.co...

Valve and EA did make the ps3 orange box suck.

[Relcom]

they didn't help make it good that is for sure

[Nostradavis]

Amen to that brother.

[Surfman]

Valve sux. Period.

[Twizlex]

I think you mean EA sucks -- they're the ones that made the sh!tty port.

[Surfman]

No, Valve dont want to develop on PS3 because they are lazy, just check this dude's face.

[Shroomy]

The only work they would have done on the PS3 version is sending the Source Engine to the EA studios that developed it.

VALVe are mainly PC developers, "see Half Life, TF2" and the 360 is very similar to a PC when developing it, meaning porting it over isn't gonna require an extreme amount of effort, unlike the PS3 version.

I can see it as, VALVe did not like the technology, and did not see a huge potential for profit on the PS3, so they thought lets polish up the PC and 360 version more while EA does whatever it wants with the mess that was Orange Box PS3.

Fanboys cry all you want, the best experience is on a computer, I used to own it for the 360, but TF2 is godly on the PC, you can't argue with that.

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

Valve
EA
Epic

SUCK!!!
I will NEVER buy a game from those F00LS!!! :-/

[Shroomy]

What did Epic do wrong?

I'm sure you think VALVe should have took more responsibility for the mess that was Orange Box PS3, and I hate EA myself for destroying many great studios "Westwood for example".

But Epic? they made a great new IP on their Engine and everyone give em flack for it? and it sold like 5 million or something? I don't understand!

[why do droids cry]

because he only has half a brain. so he doesn't see reason.

[snoopgg]

and his games are a waste of my time.......... If he wasn't so lazy he could have done a Halflife that looked like Killzone 2. He is such a lazy talentless hack these days. All he wanted to do was a easy pc port and the baby couldn't handle the potential that the ps3 would have given him. I will never buy another one of his products.

[VaNdAl]

Gabe Newell talks trash

[Shroomy]

I stopped reading after that,

really, Half Life wouldn't interest me & a lot of other people if it was so drab and dark, doesn't suit the style of the game.

Half Life 2 looks fine as it is, Source is an old engine now but they keep pushing new features into it.

[Harry190]

would make a great baddie in LittleBigPlanet. I will create my own Gabe Newell end of level boss.

[sandip787]

please do harry. it would be amazing

[Relcom]

that better be a big level cause Gabe is a monster, rwar

[chasuk08]

No gabe is a fat piece of crap, who likes to blame everyone else for his blatent fanboyism.

[wakash]

never played the game, so don't know too much about it. but how would the game suck so bad if it was a direct port?

[Horny]

I dont see what the problem is, there might be minor slowdown compared to the other versions in certain spots but nothing you really notice.
Team Fortress 2 I havent played enough to see if there is a difference but I encountered no problems. Its just people being really picky and always wanting the best instead of playing the damn game.
Im in no way making excuses for Gabe, hes still a dumbass.

[badz149]

the loading screens are irritating and really drag the fun away in HL2 and TF2 lags and many times almost unplayable!

[smokeymicpot]

At least hey gave us the game

[J@D]

LMAO Gabe the fat princess... that's epic hahahaha.

[cp68]

gabe is the fat princess ;)

[incogneato]

EA sucks, Valve sucks now too, and The Orange Box sucks. an old ass game repackaged with two mini games? no thanks

[N2NOther]

Half Life 2 is an amazing game that a lot of people who don't own a gaming PC didn't play...Then you have episodes 1 and 2 which turn an amazing 15 plus hour game into about 25 hours. Then you have Portal which is, without a doubt, the most addictive and satisfying puzzle game I've ever played. It's a shame that PS3 owners didn't get to experience a proper port of this because it's really an amazing deal.

[4cough]

No,The Ps3 helped Make PS3's Orange Box Suck.

[n00bzRtehgey]

LMFAO

[karlostomy]

They are still blaming the "anti-ps3-developer-consp iracy"

What's next, this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

or this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

What a joke, guys. Orange Box ps3 was just gimped due to the hardware.
I am sick of all the whingeing all the time...

SDF, listen up: Next time you feel like whingeing like a baby about developers, ask yourself:

[Charmers]

You know something I have never seen such a bunch of whiners and whingers in my life. You guys are really letting the playstation brand down. You got a crappy port, big deal, it happens. PC gamers have been getting crap ports of your games for years but we don't go moaning about it all over the place.

It is clear Valve had NOTHING to do with the port, they handed it over to the lowest bidder which happened to be EA. A lot of you slag Gabe and Valve off for that, at least they made an attempt to bring the Orange box to the PS3, unlike companies like Insomniac, Naughty Dog and Konami, I don't see them going out of their way to cater for other console users. If you ask me those three companies are far more idle than Valve.

I dunno for some reason PS3 owners are quite content to keep games exclusive to them, but if something doesn't go THEIR way they will scream, shout, kick their little bootie clad feet and throw their rattle out of the pram because of it.

[Twizlex]

Hey now, there's no need for logic on this site. You'll upset the delicate flow of fanboyism and retardedness.

[Horny]

I love your post but I just wanted say one thing. Insomniac and Naughty Dog are 2nd Party Sony studios and the games they develop are Sony Ips therefore you wont see them on another console.

[jessupj]

Tell that to gabe to stop whinning about the ps3. We have more then enough merit to warrant a complaint about this issue.

[QuackPot]

You never see Ted Price from Insomniac slagging off the competition.

He just pulls up his sleeves and tries to do as good a job as he can.

Big difference.

Yes, EA's fault but fatboy's still an idiot fanboy.

[bruiser81]

The difference is from my understanding is that Insomniac is a first party developer, Naughty dog is second party, and the metal gear guy is an artist with a clear vision on what is product should be. I don't see you throwing stones at Bunjie.

[Halochampian]

Valve gave up on it. they started working on and then said "screw it... EA... you take over"

Valve did not like working on the PS3. Don't blame them either. At least they didn't do the whole thing because it may have turned out worst.

[Nostradavis]

If that is the case it is unfair for PS3 owners. If you spend your money on a game and a company is willing to put their name on it, they are just as much to blame. Passing the buck off on EA is pathetic.

[Halochampian]

they should have canceled it.

[The Lazy One]

Don't buy crappy games. Anyone who bought the game and cries about it is just as much to blame.

[N2NOther]

They should have canceled it when there was slow down in one of the 5 games released? Yeah, that makes sense...Did you even play the game or did you read reviews and then blow them way out of proportion?

[Halochampian]

I was going off of his logic.

[zapass]

SPAM

[Twizlex]

Your face sucks balls. STFU with your lack of bubbles, moron.

[zapass]

sorry, I didn't realize I was insulting your employer...
no hard feelings :)

Ali The Brit below:

mate, I think Twizlex wants you to go back to ripten.com and click on those ads!

[Twizlex]

Hahahaha!

First of all, the ads on that site suck so bad they probably don't earn them any money. Secondly, I demand some monetary compensation since ripten is apparently my employer.

Please, zarpass, let them know that I want my money!

[dkgshiz]

Why complain about old games? Im enjoying my amazing MGS4 so fuk off dik heads!

[lil Titan]

was ok, i didnt bother with online but i liked the story but they need to put some work in the PS3 i mean they never stated why it was “a waste of everyone’s time.” it just seems like they caught the sad uncurable disease Hater

*Fun Facts*
Did you know Haters are the only people in the would that do there job for free

[godkiller]

I played halflife 1 and 2 on pc,most of valve are ex microsoft employees,hence the hate"sucking up to old billy gate".

I took my xbox apart the other day to try fix the ring of death,jeez most of the parts are from every third world country india ect.NOWONDER IT BLOODY BREAKS ALOT!.
I wont mention my elite i bought on launch that i gotta send back,why do they still release a console that still breaks?"sorry abit off topic but ima pissed with em".

[Twizlex]

Wow, you think India is a third-world country? It's the 4th largest economy in the world, and 4 of the top 10 richest people in the world live in India. Get a clue.

[devilhunterx]

Just cause you have few rich people doesnt means that everyone is successful. 80% of the population live borderline poverty.

[InMyOpinion]

Does anyone actually think Valve made the PS3 version bad on purpose?

You think they would actually waste potential profit just to make some kind of fanboyish statement? Yeah, that sounds logical...

I think they outsourced it to EA because:

A - they did not have time, knowledge and enough resources to finish the work themselves.

B - EA has more experience working with the PS3 hardware(I know they have made sh!tty ports before, but did Valve know that?).

C - EA is their publisher.

[Ali_The_Brit]

Now see, was that a fanboy comment? nope it was a sensible comment that i can agree with, you should try make more of them

[Twizlex]

I think you missed the point. You may want to read the article again (or actually read the whole thing for the first time). That may help you.

[JokerSGS]

I don't get why the first guys said you had to read it first, it's pretty self explanatory. Valve may have really had a hand in this title and as much as I like Valve, they may have put very little effort into the game because they were happy with sales from the PC and 360 and don't like Sony.

I think a lot of American developers are siding with the 360 as the PC is dying off and really being replaced by the 360 which has now become the platform for a lot of the genres and titles that we would commonly see on the PC in the past.

But all in all I could care less because I still played this and a lot of other titles on the PC.

[Twizlex]

I said to read it first because most people are not as smart as you are, apparently. I submitted this exact story earlier and it failed approval because people said this was the same as the interview with the guy from Valve, which was already on n4g. Everyone labeled it duplicate and it failed. I was even told that the title shouldn't be a question, it should just say "Valve didn't make it suck" and that was it. I was just trying to give the article more of a chance this time around since, as I'm sure you'll agree, most people are stupid.

[n00bzRtehgey]

HAHAHAhahAHAHAHahhaAHAHAhhaha NO WONDER YOU DUMB DROIDS HATE HIM! HE SPEAKS THE TRUTH! LOLOOL

[silverchode]

.,

[n00bzRtehgey]

when did I ever admit to liking nigglettes?

[zonetrooper5]

I think I've said this many times before, Valve is a small company so trying to work on 3 different platforms at once is damn hard for them and you have to think about how much money they need to spend to get it working on the PS3. EA on the other hand have alot of cash, have worked with the PS3 and they are very use to working on different platforms.

[devilhunterx]

PC and XB2 are the same. Same development tools. So they have to learn to program for the PS3.

You cant teach an old dog new tricks when the old dog is deaf and blind.

[arakouftaian]

:( many ps3 owners love valve games n is sad that they r not taking care of us

[theusedfake]

1. PS3
2. Exercise
3. NOT eating little debbie snacks(damn those fudge rounds)
4. removing the stick from his A$$
5. Wii fit

i had to, the guy's a moron imo

[cp68]

The engine is so old, why not simply port it?

[Zulwarn]

BS3's Orange Box sucks because the BS3 sucks

[Ps3Fanboy777]

Valve has talked more garbage then they have made games. IMO the 360 version sucks as well... They have done great things in the past but thats the past, as of now they just dont have anything worth arguing over....

[DevonTheDude535]

I agree, I have The orange box on PC and it runs at 120fps on my Alienware, the 360 version (which I rented for kicks) only runs at 30fps, I'll stick to whats Valve is best at, PC not console games.

[Meresin]

Having a petition to get a broken game fixed makes you a fanboy? :P The guy's probably just pissed that he got ripped off...Like almost everyone else that bought the Orange Box on PS3.

On the bright side, we won't be seeing that sort of thing happen again. Apparently they're not even going to bother porting Left 4 Dead. Oh, wait, that's not a good thing...*sighs sadly*

[Lord_Ash]

You can always tell a good developer from a great one, I mean look at Bethesda Game Studios they learned the PS3 really fast and made a trick to make the loading faster they even managed to surpass their older versions now these are excellent developers, now lets look at Valve they make great games for environments they are familiar with while they won't (or can't) expand into new ones which makes them good but not great developers.

[1stKnighT]

Are we still on this subject? This is so old news. If you want the best version of Orange Box, just get the 360 version. It's not the first time a multiplatform game is better on the 360 and not the last.

[Meresin]

Incorrect. If you want the best version of Orange Box, get the PC version. It is vastly superior to either console version. :P

[1stKnighT]

That's if you have a gamer rig. My pc does exactly what I wanted to do, and that is internet and online financing. I'm not going to spend $100's of dollars to upgrade my pc so I can play a game that my 360 can do just as good.

[SoIid Snake]

Nope. Your 360 will never play games "just as good" as a high-end PC. Your 360 is stuck at the highest resolution that the developers could maintain with a stable framerate, while PCs can achieve higher resolutions and higher framerates. You casual gamers are deceived so easily.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Played Bioshock, Gears of War, or Mass Effect on PC yet?

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

They are all the same games.

I prefer the PS3 version over the PC version. I love my PC...but the dualshock 3 is more precise during the hard levels on Portal.

Don't believe me? Try it out.

[Mr_Luke]

Valve doesn't want to program on the PS3. And Gabe hates it. So if they give their games to program to other companies (EA.... argh >_<) the ports will be always craps.

[zonetrooper5]

The Source engine will run on old and new hardware though, the Source Engine scales very well and that is one of the reasons I like the engine.

[Shankle]

I don't know how frigging long I can keep saying this:

THE ORANGE BOX ON PS3 IS FINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Have ANY of you who have posted on this article even played it!?!!?

[Horny]

I have and I agree with you

[Charmers]

I wouldn't worry about it, this has nothing to do with whether the orange box is broken or not on the PS3 and has everything to do with certain PS3 users needing an excuse to throw their bottle out of the pram. I can tell you now if Valve said "our next game is going to be PS3 only" you would have them fornicating themselves to death and hailing Gabe as the new messiah.

Some PS3 owners seem to think they are "special" and everyone in the gaming world should bend to their will because they are "special". Yep all developers should ditch the way they normally do things and do them the Sony way because they are "special". The minute a developer doesn't do that then out come the insults and cries of "laziness".

[mirroredderorrim]

EA needs to close the wallet for once. Sheesh.

[xg-ei8ht]

Lets be honest here.

Orange box is ok, Sorry just never got me that much.

I've played it a couple of times on pc, and i don't like it much.

Gabe is Gabe, i always remember him slagging Nvidia off for pixel shader problems on the fx cards.

Then you got hl2 and source engine. 1stnight, you don't need a gamers rig to play orangebox. It doesn't need alot of juice.

Funniest thing about hl2, ai was possibly the worst i've ever encountered in a game, On hard is was so easy. And ppl knock KZ2, lmao.

[air1]

the ps3 made it suck all on it's own :)

[REPLOID24]

reason it sucked. their refusal to work on OB for ps3 made it suck.

[JokerSGS]

Thats amazing how that one guy said he wouldn't dish out hundreds of dollars for the PC version of The Orange Box when his 360 can do it just as good. If by just as good you mean less than what a lot of PC gamers can do then you're correct. I rather play it on the PC where I already owned Half-Life 2 and Episode One, give someone the extras of the games I got with the package as a gift via steam. Play with the best controls for an FPS with the mouse and keyboard. Not worry about server problems and be able to play with mods. Not worrying about my system breaking because of a problem like RROD that I have no control over. You make perfect sense in arguing that the 360 version is just as good lol.

And from some of the things I've seen with sites and others ridiculing the game, there seems to be some very distinct problems with it. People who have a PS3 and want a PS3 for other titles because God knows this isn't a system seller should have the right no matter what platform to enjoy the game and at a very high performance. You can't force someone to buy another system and dish out more cash to play it on a console where they won't get their money's worth.

[Charmers]

Whilst I agree with you with regards to the PC being the best platform to play the orange box on. I did find your second paragraph a bit curious, especially this bit :-

"You can't force someone to buy another system and dish out more cash to play it on a console where they won't get their money's worth."

Isn't that exactly what Sony do ? They keep their titles exclusively on the playstation system so you HAVE to buy it to play certain games. At least Valve made an attempt to try and give PS3 gamers the game. I don't see Konami doing anything similar ? or Naughty Dog or Insomniac (yes I know those last two are second party locked into a contract stuff etc).

Valve is a PC centric company, the only reason the orange box appeared on the 360 was down to the similarities between the 360 and the PC. They clearly realised that they lacked the resources to do a PS3 port so to try and get the game out to PS3 gamers they hired EA to do the port, in my books at least they tried unlike lazy developers such as Konami who can't be bothered to develop for more than one system (bet that gets me flamed to death).

To be honest Valve where in a no win situation. If they just didn't bother with the PS3 we would be seeing much baby rattle shaking from the PS3 owners decrying Valve were ignoring the PS3 the "superior" system according to them.

Even now as PS3 owners flame and throw a hissy fit Valve still remains open to bringing their titles to the PS3, it is just THEY don't want to do it, but they would be more than happy to let another party do the port. Perhaps the PS3 owners should send an email to Sony and ask them why they won't take up the challenge of doing Valve's ports ? That has to be a bit more productive than going "wah wah Gabe Newell fat wah wah wah Valve suck wah wah".

[DevonTheDude535]

It's because Gabe Newell is a lazy fat POS. The PS3 is based on C++ programing language, whats so hard about that program language. Lets just use the same directx 9 programing language that was used back in HL2 in 04', oh wait thats what the 360 uses. You lazy bastard C++ is far from specialized.

[treereet]

Uh, did anyone play the game? I played HL2 on PC and I played all the Orange Box games on PS3 and it wasn't bad at all. In fact If I hadn't heard all the stuff about it being broken I would have guessed it was a great port.

I didn't have any frame rate issues at all besides a slight hiccup during the very beginning of the fan boat part and Team Fortress occasionally when things get crazy. Even those were distractions at most and far from unplayable.

Really, it's one of the greatest game packages of all time no matter what system you get it on.

[Shankle]

Thank you

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Get over yourself Gabe.

Maybe it's not made by Microsoft...

I realize you're a good writer/developer, but back off.

You just come off as lazy.

[Cutter20]

The PS3 version will be here soon enough and we can go through this all over again...

[godkiller]

Can somebody tell me if sony have fixed the ring of death yet??i want to buy anouther xbox360 just to play gears and fable2.the rest i play on ps3.
But i took my old 360 back 4 times rod,have they sorted the problem yet???

[solidt12]

No they haven't but they still offer a 2 year replacement plan. I am totally selling my 360 after I play through Gears 2 this fall. I may buy the next Xbox when it comes out. I expect an announcement sometime next year for the next Xbox. It probably won't be available til 2010 though. I am sure they have learned from there mistakes this time so the next console should have better hardware. I can't argue about the software though. They have great games and good exclusive content if your into those kind of things. After I sell the 360 I will just keep one controller and play the PC and 360 exclusive games on my pc with XBOX controller. Most of the games that are not Multi are for 360 and PC.

[LoVeRSaMa]

Vale Has 2 good Games:

Half Life
Half Life 2

It has afew good Mods:

Counter Strike Ect...

Valve only really made HL1 and 2, they really dont know what there doing half the time.

Portal wasnt even made by them, and Counter Strike isnt "Well Made" its just a good game, what was people expecting when they have to deal with something as Advanced and Complex as a PS3.

[psycho360]

Atleast Valve deliver on the platform they work on unlike EA's devs doing half hearted attempt on 99% of ps3 ports of better 360 versions. Also you call Valve lazy cuz they see ways of making more cash with less hassle? I think from reading ps3 owners comments, i think most of you guys even if you know of a shortcut in life to make more money (legit) with less work you will take the tough road with lesser rewards for your work ? right?

By the way, i think 3drealms deserve the title of lazy devs not those who choose the platform with most sales and attach ratio (ninty not being considered).

[DFresh]

Well Valve said that they hate the PS3 and that the 360 was their main console of choice to work with so I believe it.
Valve really f***ed up with the PS3 Port.
Who cares I got hella exclusives.

[solidt12]

Gabe seriously dude, loose some weight bro. Do it for yourself and the gamers who want you around to make the next episode of Half Life.

[caffman]

I'm just looking forward to Portal-still alive on XBLA!

[Destroyer229]

I don't think valve hand anything to do with the bad port do you really think Valve would sabatoge its own game? even if they hate the ps3 or sony its still sales. And why would they want to ruin their rep for future games? this is just another of example of how EA always manages to screw up even the simplest of projects.

[SuperSaiyan4]

Half Life 2 is ancient let it go! If you are all that upset about a bad port get the 360 version then infact 99% of all cross platform games are miles better on the 360 including GTA 4!

[Playstation Man]

is fat.

[Ninja_9tails]

Honestly...yes they did and here is my reasoning:

It is said that the only thing evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Using that same logic the only thing a port requires in order to suck is for good developers to do nothing. Valve did nothing to make the port of their product better, so in a way they helped shape it into what it is. The Orange Box is an amazing collection of games that deserved better treatment.

[Egzekutor]

who gives a fuk anyway, you shouldnt buy sh1t games, wait for good games like KZ2 LBP etc