Destiny’s new DLC- Watch how Bungie/Activision screwed you over

"Well it looks like our suspicions have been confirmed. The new Reef hub that will be featured in the House of Wolves DLC was actually ready 2 years ago and even featured in the reveal trailer for the game! "

Gameondaily shares the team's thoughts on the new teaser trailer and confirmation that the Reef hub available in the upcoming DLC was shown off at the reveal of the game.

[Senor_Spidey]

Wow...I play this game a lot and just to know that there is so much more content ready to go on disc does indeed make this a hard pill to swallow. Especially with all the grinding I do, I'm like a stripper at happy hour...

[DarkOcelet]

My guess those contents needed more polish so instead of delaying it, they decided to cut it out and sell it as dlc. Such a POS move.

[freshslicepizza]

destiny was designed in such a way that the game was never going to be released intact. it was made to include dlc from the very start. this is a 500 million dollar investment from activision, of course they won't include the full package in a $60 game.

[emad-E-three]

I disagree with you, you're actually making an excuse for Bungie for screwing us over! If the content wasn't ready they could've easily delivered it in a patch FREE of charge...well its a part of our game after all! But hey guess what man they did just that BUT with 35$ price tag.

Bungie and Activision managed to reach a new low.

[DarkOcelet]

I didnt make an excuse for Bungie. What i said meant that it was incomplete so they decided to release it later as dlc which is a Piece of $hit move when they should have delayed the game to give us the full experience.

I should have made that more clear.

[Godz Kastro]

@dark

I guess you are a half glass full kind of guy.

[DarkOcelet]

@ Godz Kastro

Arent we all?

[UKmilitia]

@mouldybread 500 million is the full series isnt it?
im sure thats what it said in the documents.

[subtenko]

Some of you say "its a $500 million dollar investment"

GTA V has more content that Destiny for goodness sake! PERSPECTIVE! Did rockstar charge for the Heist update even though it was gonna be in the game? NO!

[Halo2ODST2]

Yeah, I'm sure, A "2 year polish" you must be joking!

[freshslicepizza]

@UKmilitia
"500 million is the full series isnt it?
im sure thats what it said in the documents."

i believe so. there was a leak of the planned stages but i can't remember what activision committed to. it's still a heck of a lot of money even if it's a trilogy.

[kneon]

Just because they had the environment done, or at least mostly done, doesn't mean that it was actually ready to go. There's more to a game than just graphics.

[Patricko]

Areas from first DLC were already in Destiny Beta, so I'm able to belive, that everything from future DLC's is already on our hard drives...
We will just pay for unlock this content...

Such a wasted potential...

[JeffGUNZ]

This.

Although I believe Activision forced their hand to cut some content and release it in DLC, I still can live with it. Don't get me wrong, wish all this was here day 1, but what was on the disc has led me to hundreds of hours of fun. Sure, I am burnt now, but once HoW comes out I know I will be back to it on a daily basis.

I don't mind DLC, but it needs to deliver. This DLC needs to have more then the the Dark Below. I am very excited to see the new ways to upgrade old weapons and them showing the fatebringer being bumped up gets me more excited then Jerry Sandusky at Chucky Cheese.

[Owvi]

Ignorance breeds more ignorance, unfortunately. :/

[remixx116]

Exactly my friend, and this is exactly why I don't buy season passes. You just don't know what bs is coming down the pipes.

[Droidbro]

The reef social area is actually free. Why are people complaining?

[RINGOELGRINGO]

I understand when a developer holds certain content back when they deem it isn't up to the quality standards gamers expect but come on Activision you are screwing gamers over by doing this, especially with the over inflated pricing of your dlc.

[kayoss]

Holding content back on the disc already because it wasnt deemed ready for release is not an excuse for charging consumers later for that same content they purchase.
Ill use one developer as example (of course there are more). Evolution made driveclub with dynamic weather but was unable to do during their release. However, when they patched the game with an update, they did not charge consumers for it.
DLC stands for "Downloadable Contents" meaning that the content never existed on the physical disks or the initial download of said game.
It seems like Developers are more interested in making DLC a priority when compared to the game.

[Volkama]

The pricing is the bigger issue imo. I don't really care what is ready when, how they manage development and pull it all into consumer-ready content.

I do care that they charged £55 for a game without enough content, and continue to charge £20 for expansion packs without enough content.

Activision :|

[StrayaKNT]

They should release the next dlc for free.

[BC_Master_Haze]

Comet will be free (the next next DLC)

[arkard]

Source? I havnt heard that comet will be free.

[Menkyo]

Two things I'm sure of; Plague of Darkness (which is the actually name so far of the expansion after HoW not comet) will not be free nor will the raid they held back.

[BC_Master_Haze]

Remember the "so called" Bungie ex employee on Reddit? He stated that they would have 2 expansion passes with 2 expansions each, for pay, with one big expansion between them for free. He stated the number of raids, new missions, and strikes all of which matched the image leaked from a Bungie meeting.

That's the closest to a source I have but it seems legit based off of what he got right. Knowing Activision they might change their mind too -_- their cheap, greedy, corporate mind...

[DevilishSix]

Activision and Free. Two words that don't go well together. That is all anyone needs to know.

[svoulis]

Does anyone know what a placeholder is or even the fact that, yes the environment is the same but the factions, and new story missions weren't around?

You guys act like developers just sit there with all this stuff already done. I am sure this was thought up a while ago, and they had the plan to use it for a future DLC. As stated this is a "10-year" game (even I find that hard to believe) so I am sure there is a lot more already planned and done than we know of.

All this is a place to join new factions, and part of the story missions. I am sure people would be more pissed if they just added new NPC's to the tower and been done with it, but hey gotta find something right? People will look for literally anything to complain about these days.

[arkard]

The game isn't 10 years, the series is. Hence why Destiny 2 is already in development.

[BattleTorn]

HOW IS THIS MISCONCEPTION STILL AROUND! AMIRIGHT

[Gazondaily]

That's a palceholder is it? They showed off a placeholder in the actual trailer for the game 2 years ago? Then they make you pay for said content separately that was shown off in a trailer?

"I am sure this was thought up a while ago, and they had the plan to use it for a future DLC."

You do realise that, that is precisely the problem right? Did they say that this footage was for DLC when they showed it off in Feb 2013?

Tell you what; tell EA that they can now show off DLC content in their game trailers. So when we buy an actual game and find that the content isn't there its all okay because it was just 'placeholder'.

"People will look for literally anything to complain about these days."

You may think this is 'literally anything' but some might see your attitude as precisely the problem in this industry, the problem that ratifies this kind of behaviour. At least some of us can hold up our hands and say we contributed to it by purchasing the passes or whatnot.

[svoulis]

"You do realise that, that is precisely the problem right? Did they say that this footage was for DLC when they showed it off in Feb 2013? "

Why would they even do that at all? Who even knows if maybe the reef was originally the place for guardians to do bounties, etc? If this was actual game content as in like a map pack or missions I'd understand but its literally just a reskinned Tower. Don't see why this is the bigger deal here. Shouldn't we wait to see how the DLC comes out because, I for one did feel ripped off with Dark Below DLC, and what little it had to offer and how it recycled actual missions.

Which leads me to this --

"You may think this is 'literally anything' but some might see your attitude as precisely the problem in this industry, the problem that ratifies this kind of behaviour. At least some of us can hold up our hands and say we contributed to it by purchasing the passes or whatnot'

Except the bigger problem is in the fact that people will continue to buy DLC as they bitch about it. Thats the irritating part. This is now the industry standard. We either accept it or move on with our lives no use nagging about it.

I get it, people don't like feeling ripped off and there was a time when you bought a game and got all the content immediately. Unfortunately that time has passed and all companies do this.

I choose simply to accept it, and if I want something be it a new map or a new character or whatever, its my decision to buy said product. Articles like this wont steer people away from the product we should all know this by now.

[n4rc]

did they say it was part of the stock game?

just because it showed up in devdoc video doesnt mean it was advertised to us or promised in any way..

DLC is planned along side the main game.. some seem to think a dev gives you every single asset and feature theyve ever brainstormed or began to mock up but only once the game ships do they begin to think about DLC..

thats a very naive viewpoint imo... the problem with this industry is that people think their $60 entitles them to the world and these devs owe them something.

they made a product. they get to dictate what that product is, not you or i.. we choose to buy it or not, thats it.

i have my complaints about the game.. but having them preplan DLC is not one of them, id be shocked if they didnt.

[Gazondaily]

"did they say it was part of the stock game? "

So they showed it in their teaser and its okay to sell it for extra cash?

"they made a product. they get to dictate what that product is, not you or i.. we choose to buy it or not, thats it."

"THey alsothey made a product. they get to dictate what that product is, not you or i.. we choose to buy it or not, thats it."

No they do not get to misrepresent what the game will be like and what content appears in the game. And if they chop out content only to make us pay for it later they shouldn't be criticised because we are consumers? What kind of logic is that?

[kayoss]

@svoulis
Ill give you an example how auto dealer dont get themselves into deep water.
When they advertise a car in a commercial, you can see down in the bottom fine print that tell the consumers that the car shown is a certain model and the cost of the advertised car. So that way when the buyer comes into the show room and buy a cheaper version of the said car they dont expect all the ammentities that was advertised in the commericial.
Should game developers do the same?
As consumers we should speak up against these practice of charger us contents that was already on disc (this yet to be proven with Destiny). Its like buying a car and later finding out that you have pay to unlock sound system that was already there.

[rawrock]

Exactly svoulis, I agree

[DevilishSix]

Trying to justify what an ignorant person would find undefendable,. It is gamers like you that is ruining my hobby, please leave.

[svoulis]

Judging by your past comments on other articles it seems like you yourself are in fact ruining your "hobby"

You could do everyone including yourself a favor, just play your games, and leave places like this for people who want to banter their differences.

[BattleTorn]

You're probably O.K with "placeholders" being on disc too

unbelievable

[tmh3593]

I'll admit destiny was a super fun game to play with friends but after the bs dlc and held back content for other consoles but had to pay the same price I just deleted it and sold it, I wont support developers and publishers that do this type of bullshit

[corroios]

I still play the game, like the gameplay and just wish that they didnt cut so much content.

We were all stolen and this is something that should go to Court and not something about rez.

Activision and Bungie should be called to answer about this kind of wrong doing.

A precedent must be done to stop this kind of DLC steal.

[areisul]

I'm seriously considering just boycotting Western games altogether because they only seem concerned with finding the best ways to screw us over. Why should I be paying $60 for an incomplete game just to have the rest of it sold back to me over time?

[itsdarby]

The ignorance of most people in this comment section is beyond ridiculous.

These things already exist on the shipped disc from day one in order to cut down on large download sizes. Just look at how large the most recent update was - over 6GB if I recall correctly (which caused issues for many with stalling, and "99999+ hours to complete" messages).

The DLC areas are also in extremely rough form and get frequent updates throughout each patch implemented. Yes, some content was most likely cut for some cash grabbing, but that is not the reason areas are shipped on the disc to begin with.

P.S. BUNGIE doesn't call the shots in terms of content releases, Activision does. If you're going to sling hate, at least sling it in the appropriate direction.

[svoulis]

Careful now, the pitchforks will find you. Bubble + since you seem to understand the logic behind it all.

[Gazondaily]

What are you on about? What logic?

He said:

"These things already exist on the shipped disc from day one in order to cut down on large download sizes."

We're talking Reef Hub which isn't on disc as far as we know.

"Yes, some content was most likely cut for some cash grabbing, but that is not the reason areas are shipped on the disc to begin with. "

Again, he agrees about the cash grab and goes on about on-disc dlc.

[itsdarby]

@Septic: You seem to have missed to point. If you dislike Destiny so much just stop playing and move on. Every comment of yours is literally just senseless negativity.

The Reef Hub could very well be on the disc since it was able to be datamined after various patches. You just can't simply glitch into it as you could the other areas. The point I am making is that who cares if it is on the disc already if it is in an unpolished, unfinished, and unplayable form?

The cash grab I am speaking of would be the raid removed from HoW (because, as stated before, the dataminers dug up information about a raid). I, for one, don't take Dev Diary videos to heart pre-launch, which is where the reef, and the plotline with the Queen's brother were shown.

[svoulis]

Thank you for having explained what you meant even more so. I am glad I didn't have to.

Its common sense really, and regardless I still think people need to move on and just deal with it.

There is no "standing up to the man" in this case because the people who care about DLC/on-Disc DLC etc are a small number in comparison to those who actually buy the DLC.

No matter how you twist it things will go one way or another. We could have free DLC with a bunch of money grabbing micro transactions and then the game becomes pay to win. Then it becomes another issue all together.

There is literally no winning with these "gamers" these days.

[Halo2ODST2]

Wtf!!! "if you dislike destiny so much stop playing and move on" ... wow, I'm not a hater, I play destiny all the time, as long a I have friends on as it get stale alone, but this is atrocious, , if you're just gonna call everyone a hater if they disagree with you, then I think I'm quite justified to call you a fanboy...

[n4rc]

i honestly dont get why people are pissed or surprised by this fact..

half a billion dollars on the line and you think dlc wasnt planned from the beginning?

people seem to think they are entitled to any and everything that bungie had at launch.. a dev diary vid isnt advertisment

[OmegaShen]

Don't care, still going to play Destiny.

The way I see it, its setup like a mmo. Somethings are already in the game but you have to pay to unlock it.

[Omnisonne]

Seeing as how empty the vanilla version was, most dont necessarily see that as a good thing

Everyone should be free to buy and play what they like though, without having to explain themselves.

You see people wasting money each day on the same recycled mobile phone games and microtransactions. And in no way is that going to stop you from enjoying your stuff

[lastking95]

Not surprised, I expect nothing less from a game like this, that's why i didn't buy it. I have no sympathy, it was obvious they would pimp on disk content as dlc. Hope you enjoy the dlc and destiny 2, you won't see me playing.

[Spotie]

I'm sorry, but I don't see the big deal. An area just now being opened to access was in the trailer.

SO?

Was it already on disc? Was it completed? Was it populated?

You know, MAYBE it was on the disc to begin with, but that doesn't mean it was in a form ready to be used.

[WitWolfy]

Thats why I never bought this POS game it just reeked of Bobby Koticks stench.

[r3f1cul]

just another nail in the coffin... really glad i seen that one coming and just quit playing... they got my original investment but will never get any repeat business from me... just like dice on bf4 i refuse to buy hardline just for the fact of the matter of how tarnished and ripped i felt from the last bf game, even a new dev team couldnt wash the sour taste out of my mouth... bungie has lost a customer in me and i would imagine im not the only one, but i really do wish these shady tactics would cease in games, i mean if you need to charge more for a fully functioning game with more content do so, dont rush the shit out of it and break it into pieces just to make more in the long run... i would gladly pay 70-85 bucks on a fully functioning, lengthy, non day one patch and multiple updates to work decent game honestly :/

[brokenbracket]

Did anyone stop and think that perhaps the other portions that come with the Reef weren't complete at the time of launch??? Like the vendors, I see one Fallen walking around on the Reef during the clip they showed for the initial launch of the game. Not to mention all the missions you would get from these new vendors, or weapons and armor. Why would they include the Reef without these additional items completed? That's like handing you an empty box and telling you the cake is coming later. What would be the point of that????

I can understand why so many people are so upset about monetizing DLC, but it's 2015 and it's going to happen. You think I was happy about dishing out an extra 20 or 30 bucks for Far Cry 4's DLC? Which only includes a couple handfuls of missions and like 8 to 10 new weapons after all the packs come out. Compared to Destiny's bucket loads of new armor and weapons, new end game missions, and a huge variety of new ships (even tho they don't do anything, it's still nice to see the variety so everyone doesn't have the same thing to look at). I just don't get it. Yeah, I was upset about there not being a raid, but when you look at what they're including, and what you've already gotten from The Dark Below, 35$ really isn't that bad.

[Ethereal]

We have tried to explain this since the game releases. Some people just can't look at the bigger picture.

[Ethereal]

Just because we saw it earlier doesn't mean it was ready or even planned for the original release. Calm down, don't like it? Then don't play it. Simple. Having said that as someone that has the season pass, they really need to impress with this update to get people on board for the big update in the fall.

[FPS_D3TH]

Ha! The reveal trailers showed more than the final game. Just more BS added to the large pile this game has already accumulated.

[romancer]

Destiny has provided me with more engrossing gameplay than any other game in years. I fully understand that some people dislike the game, or even hate it.
But I don't consider myself to be short-changed.

I've traded in several AAA games since Destiny was released. Maybe Dragon Age: Inquisition had more content but It didn't hold my interest for long.

I play with a clan of dedicated gamers. They make a huge difference in how valuable the Destiny experience has become. All three of my characters are reaching level 32 -- the new DLC will raise the cap to 35, I understand, with weapons maxing out at 369 or thereabouts.

If such high levels had been available from day one -- it would have created such an uneven playing field that many would have quit.

[leogets]

Destiny got boring fast.grinding was not why i played it tbf. Cruicible for me. I still go on there here n there to have a quick ten mins then back to tlou and hardline and driveclub

[leemo19]

After watching the stream I say they didn't. Tons of new content and new options for people who don't buy the HoW can do. People who didn't buy the HoW are getting everything from the HoW for free beside the missions and end game content stuff.

[Cra2yey3]

I blame Activison...