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Emulators and ROMs – Should they be made legal?

The legality of emulating games has always been a grey area. The law currently states that owning emulators and ROMS is not illegal but contrasting laws and opinions cast uncertainty over what you actually can and can’t do.

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wheresmymonkey3305d ago

They already are legal. Emulators have always been legal. Roms are the grey area, they are legal as long as you own a copy of the original cartridge, cd, whatever.

Dasteru3305d ago (Edited 3305d ago )

The ROM/ISO has to be ripped from your own copy also. It is never legal to download someone elses rip. Same with the BIOS for the emulator. The emulator itself is legal, but downloaded BIOS files are not.

mikeslemonade3305d ago

No they should not be legal because I need people who actually buy there games so I can get it for free.

deadpoolio3163304d ago

ROMs are NOT legal, even IF you own the game....You are not authorized to make copies of the game period, purchasing the game ONLY gives you the license to use the software not make copies of it...Im not sure where people keep getting this garbage that they're legal if you own the game

Dasteru3304d ago (Edited 3304d ago )

The U.S constitution gives people the right to make a single copy of any digital software for backup purposes. Although circumventing any copy protection is technically illegal. Cart based games do not have copy protection, so they are legal to make a copy of. For disks it becomes a bit more complicated. (excluding Dreamcast games which also lack copy protection)

http://www.usf.edu/it/servi...

rainslacker3304d ago

Copy protection doesn't remove the right to make a backup copy, but when making that copy you have to include the copy protection. I know with the PS1 there was only one burner on the market which could actually write the zero sum sectors, and it was very expensive and had a limited run so was hard to find, and didn't actually work for burning games anyhow.

Anyhow, if you include the copy protection, the liklihood that it would run where it's supposed to is slim depending on the type of protection. That's where mod chips came in.

For emulators, they are legal, and you can rip a copy of a CD(including the protection), but in order to play it legally you would need a modified bios which didn't infringe on the original, which are pretty rare.

Shineon3305d ago

If their old games why not

Eidolon3305d ago

Because some of the old games are still being sold digitally.

Eidolon3305d ago (Edited 3305d ago )

PS Classics and Wii VC. And besides, Emulators are legal and anyone who knows about emulation or really wants to play an old game can get their hands on a copy of an emulator and ROM, it's not hard and cops won't come bursting through your door. There is no profit in its legalization unless the companies opt to sell their own emulation software and ROMS.. it's entirely up to them.

Should non-proprietary/third-party emulators/roms be legal? Sure, why not, I'd love it to, but not if I was one of these companies.

LAWSON723305d ago

They are fine the way they are, they dont need promoted by a law nor do they really need some enforced laws to forbid them.

BLKxSEPTEMBER3305d ago

Legal or not my psp says thank you lol.

Double_O_Revan3305d ago

My PSP was amazing with emulators. Even my Droid and Samsung Galaxy S4 are perfect with the Sixaxis app and a controller.

PlayableGamez3305d ago

I don't see anything wrong with emulator and roms. It doesn't hurt corporations.

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Nintendo should protect its IP, but how bad is emulation, really?

Nintendo has once again flexed its legal muscle against emulation, this time swiping at Dolphin. Where do we go from here?

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z2g341d ago

Uuuhhhmmm. Emulation is literally software that imitates hardware to run code on nonsanctioned, no licensed hardware. That code and the architecture it runs on are intellectual property of Nintendo. So you are in fact running software that they own that you got someplace else on hardware that was not licensed nor sanctioned - this is essentially copying and stealing. It’s literally the epitome of what licensing agreements were created for. In that license agreement you agree to running a copy of their game on their hardware under their rules. Even if you can run the actual Nintendo software you purchased from Nintendo, you are still running it on separate hardware which is a violation. Those are the stipulations. That is how bad emulation is.

Rynxie341d ago (Edited 341d ago )

No, stop, just stop. I get it, you're a Nintendo fanboy, but stop it. Really, stop. Nintendo or any medium that targets pirating sites and sues for money, were doing it just for that reason, MONEY. People who tend to pirate for nefarious reasons, weren't going to buy those products to begin with, so Nintendo wasn't going to make a single dime from them. If it was just about protecting IP, they would sue to take down the site, but having some schmuck pay millions? Nintendo would have you pay millions even if you owned a legit copy but also an emulated version. That's how BAD Nintendo is. I mean, they're argument is always "lost of revenue."

Snookies12341d ago (Edited 341d ago )

"you are still running it on separate hardware which is a violation."

Okay, so who does this hurt? If I have purchased a Gamecube. And have purchased a copy of Luigi's Mansion. But want to play it on my PC because my Gamecube is in storage (for example.) How does this hurt Nintendo? Serious question here.

Snookies12341d ago (Edited 341d ago )

Getting so many disagrees for asking an honest question? Kinda weird, but okay, you guys could at least let me know why you disagree. I was just curious.

@Tapani - I can understand that to an extent, especially the part about putting up videos where games are running better than the original hardware. Thanks for at least giving your input! I don't really mess with emulation these days, but it's an interesting topic to discuss.

Tapani341d ago

I fully agree. I don't have anything against the homebrew communities and creations, and I get the "freedom to do what I want with what I buy" argument, but I feel for the people who create art and it's taken from their hands exactly as is, and then put into a container in which it was never meant to be. It's like watching a 16:9 24p movie at 48fps at 4:3 and auto HDR on, and having some image and performance quality problems while at it. That's not how the creator wanted it to be watched, and would not give the cinemas a permission to run it like that.

I feel for Nintendo, they are heart-warming people creating products that are interesting and fun, and then other people take their thunder away and flood youtube full of videos of 8K version of their game, which can at points look better, but may also have bugs that cannot be squashed due to lack of controlled QA environment. Also, Nintendo creates products for a particular screen, with particular hardware and controls.

I get it from both sides, but I would have to take the side of creators on this one. I honestly feel like it is stealing and morphing their products into something they were never meant to be in the first place. I would simply not want someone to do that to something I would create, and would feel personally very bad about that, and like someone stole from me.

Rynxie341d ago (Edited 341d ago )

Emulation is not bad at all. People who use it for bad intentions, weren't going to buy your game to begin with. This is just Nintendo trying to profit by getting money they wouldn't have gotten otherwise. Second, privacy can be good, as sometimes people who originally pirated a movie, or game, ended up buying it because they enjoyed it and wanted to show support. Third, some people use emulation to make their own games, look at the Sega Dreamcast. Fourth, some people own legit copies, but also an emulated version to take it on the go.

Hereandthere341d ago

Only nintendo could get away with trash polices like this. I'm glad they're not in the dedicated home console race anymore. I never supported them, and ill never spend a cent on Nintendo products.

jznrpg341d ago

It’s not our place to decide. It’s their property and it’s up to them.

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Nintendo shadow drops firmware update to stop 3DS modding

Nintendo's relentless fight against emulation has led to controversial tactics, but fans remain resilient. Patch 11.17.0-50 aims to disrupt 3DS emulation, but the battle is far from over. Will Nintendo ever embrace their fanbase and find a permanent solution?

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348d ago
CDbiggen348d ago

Too late Ninty, I've got it all.

JokerBoy129348d ago

So check this out... I won't update mine lol

Chocoburger348d ago (Edited 348d ago )

Nintendo doesn't want to keep the online store open because they don't care about 3DS or game preservation. But they also don't want piracy, because they don't care about their fans. Nintendo doesn't care about anyone but themselves, and their ability to exert control over their fan base.

IanTH348d ago

Didn't matter. Same day they dropped the update, the homebrew community already had a way around it. Apparently it is already live for EU/JP systems, and one for US systems is around the corner.

FinalFantasyFanatic348d ago

This, it's an exercise in futility and they can't afford to keep patching it every time some gets around it.

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EmuDeck update brings new emulators, better UI, ES-DE 2.0

A new version of EmuDeck is in the works, with a big focus on UI improvements, the introduction of a new store, new emulators and much more.

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UltimateOwnage411d ago

EmuDeck is awesome. Happy with the steady updates that make an already great project even better.