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Do The Order: 1886’s Sales Indicate That We Still Care Too Much About Graphics?

CraveOnline: "The Order: 1886 is the best-selling game in the UK right now, ousting Evolve from its position atop the throne. This is despite middling critical reviews which indicated that, yes, the game was gorgeous, and no, the quality of its gameplay didn’t match its visuals. So now we’re back to that age-old debate: are we still so enamored with a game’s visual fidelity that we’ll overlook its copious flaws and buy it anyway?"

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Nyxus3376d ago

Or maybe some people enjoy it for what it is.

CowbopBeboy3376d ago

I'd suggest you read the piece before commenting upon its title alone, maybe.

GMR_PR3376d ago (Edited 3376d ago )

"Do The Order: 1886’s Sales Indicate That We Still Care Too Much About Graphics?"

No, it means there is no a single exclusive game to play this days, although graphics helps a bit.

Nyxus3376d ago

Read it but it doesn't change my point. The article seems to be written under the assumption that everyone will agree that the game isn't very good, and that people bought it for reasons such as there is nothing else to play, or they need to justify the purchase of a new console. But in fact there are also people who do think this is a good game, and that's why they bought it.

BlackTar1873376d ago

The hate order campaign is getting out of hand. Give it up people let people play what they like and if you just hate the game so much you have to share it with everyone on the internet multiple times then please just find something else to do. We enjoy the game stop trying to tell people we shouldn't or assume we all don't.

Silly Mammo3376d ago

@BlackTar-But that's the problem with the gaming media these days. Instead of reporting on gaming developments and news, they feel they must dictate how the industry and gamers must do and feel about games.

nucky643376d ago

i read it too - it's a page of desperate nonsense tring to come up with, yet, MORE new reasons to bas this game.
fact is - people are buying it. i bought it and enjoyed the game - i hope the sequel comes out so i can buy it.

btw - after reading this "article" i can safely say, cowbop, that you're wrong - nobody needs to read this article - you can feel the authors hatred of the order from the title.

Cindy-rella3376d ago (Edited 3376d ago )

People are buying the game because it interests them and the reviews arent representative of what they see the game as. I see reviews as low as 2 which indicates just how meaningless a lot of reviews are. A game that is a 2 out of a 10 should be unplayable or be a broken mess but the order isnt so. I see some games that needs a lot of patches and are still broken or games that are really rough and seems like they required 6 months more dev time to polish them up but they get high review scores. The order 1886 is so polish and almost perfect as the devs intended and didnt require patches to work. The game was penalized for not having more content that the devs never intended to add. Its almost like taking points off of a car game because its not open world.

I'm hoping the game is very successful because its a very good game and i want games to be as polished as the order or better. I know i expect amazing things from uncharted 4, gran turismo and other ps4 exclusives. I havent seen a game with such publicity in a long time even though its getting a lot of hate from fanatics but i want it to get amazing sales.

Mr Pumblechook3376d ago

The Order:1886 has allowed the staff at Crave Online to dine out on lobster, because all they've been doing is writing one after another article criticising this game. What they are don't fail to understand is that their subjective opinion is not shared by the public - and they don't like it.

It's a real shame because they have allowed their articles to become very negative just for the hits.

Spotie3376d ago

I'd suggest a headline that isn't as much clickbait as this one.

It doesn't even take critical thinking to come to the conclusion that graphics aren't the main driving force behind people buying The Order.

And it's not as if you haven't been around to see the arguments being made on either side. People are enjoying the gameplay, soundtrack, story, atmosphere...

But let's all focus on the most visible thing, create an article based on the rest of the things mentioned not even existing, and then top it off with a clickbait title. THEN let's get upset when someone calls that out.

Kingthrash3603376d ago

I bought it and i enjoy it. Im happy with it because it is what i wanted. Reviews are meaningless now days. The game is pretty yes...but its also a well put togther game and they achieved their vision of the game. Even after this game succeeded in selling well it gets criticized.
Imo Its a breath of freash air....so tired of open world/fps games.
a third person story focused AAA game is just what was needed imo.
if you didnt want that then there are plenty on fps out there. Look at evolve a multiplayer online fps with minimal modes and repetitive gameplay and a dlc lineup that new gamers seem to love.
its a wonder why articles aren't looking into that new way of selling a piece of game at full price and sell the rest in dlc.

GiggMan3376d ago (Edited 3376d ago )

I think it just indicates that people realy don't give a damn about reviews. Only reviewers think that their opinion means something.

Just because you work for a major publication or have some kind of blog or YouTube channel that doesn't necessarily make you an expert. Some of these guys think their opinion is gold lol.

I've been playing games for as long or longer than some of these reviewers have been alive. I think I can make my own decisions...

Testfire3376d ago

Maybe it indicates that gamers are getting sick and tired of journalists and their often political/monetary/hidden agendas. We're tired of clickbait articles and reviews. They need to remember, in a day and age of YouTube, Twitch and forums we don't need them, THEY NEED US. We don't need them to tell us if a game is good and rely on their opinions, we can see for ourselves through let's plays.

This is what The Order sales numbers in relation to review scores tell me.

SoapShoes3376d ago

It suggests we care more about graphics over quality and uses Evolve being dethroned as an example. I wouldn't say Evolve is quality...

mikeslemonade3376d ago

People have been saying graphics don't matter and graphics are good enough since the Wii1. And when you compare games from this generation and to that respective generation they are referring too, there's a huge difference. The gameplay also changes because of the more advance graphics.

My argument is why would you settle. Graphics should keep getting better and better. You are bad for technology advancement if you disagree.

Army_of_Darkness3376d ago

I will by this over evolve any day.

WelkinCole3376d ago

The article is hoghwash

Its an old school type of game with a fusion of cinematics and the very best atmosphere for any game as of now.

Same reasons I loved MGS4 and Heavy Rain last gen.

It is a polished as heck game with a heavy emphasis on story with a cinematic delivery.Very different from most games nowdays that are glitch fest with no emphasis on story.

On these merits alone the sales are justified.

It is a solid 9 from me.

GMR_PR3376d ago

Why there is people comparing this game to MGS. MGS its in another league, not even close.

Antifan3375d ago

Then stop doing click bait tactics with the title, son.

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GribbleGrunger3376d ago (Edited 3376d ago )

LOL. Well here's a new angle. It can't possibly be that some people actually liked the gameplay, so it must be because people think too much about the graphics. The facts are: some people liked it and some people didn't, and it isn't simply because of the graphics that some people liked it.

nucky643376d ago

yea - author even says, "after all the bad reviews people bought it anyways - why is this?"
this guy is taking it hard that the order is doing well.
you know, gribblegrunger, i bought this game to see what it was like and ended up enjoying it a lot - great story! but now, I'm just loving how apesh1t upset all these media sites and online haters are over the order doing well.

GribbleGrunger3376d ago

Unfortunately I'm not in the financial position to buy this game. My first game this year won't be until May, and that will be The Witcher. I have taken interest in this game though, largely because of the mixed bag of responses it's getting. So, I've been keeping up with The Order threads on multiple forums and well over 80% of people like it a lot. I've also now watched two playthroughs on Youtube (not all the way through) and on each the player has said 'I'm struggling to understand the review scores' more than once. I originally took the scores at face value but having investigated and watched the game for myself, I know for certain this game isn't anything less than a 7/10.

Rachel_Alucard3376d ago (Edited 3376d ago )

Reviews didn't stop Destiny from selling like crazy. Although marketing and the fact that bungie made it was why it sold regardless.

MysticStrummer3376d ago

…or maybe in this case reviewers were out of touch with what consumers might find enjoyable. It wouldn't be the first time. There are more than a few examples of badly reviewed games/movies/books that did well after being panned by the all knowing critics.

moegooner883376d ago (Edited 3376d ago )

I know I am :). Loving it so far . Story and setting are why I got it in the first place. Neither disappoint. Gameplay is exactly what it was advertised to be, and fits the game nicely tbh.

_-EDMIX-_3376d ago

...I mean...how do they know people didn't buy it to play a interesting story? My issue is this is an assumption.

Mind you...people don't just buy games to "look at" thus...I don't think one spent $60 for that purpose alone.

When I hear "lack of gameplay" one must factor...in what respect?

Does Heavy Rain or the Walking Dead games have a "lack of gameplay"?

Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe The Order isn't actually trying to be a deep complex game, but rather a adventure game ala Myst, Heavy Rain, Telltale games etc?

gangsta_red3376d ago

"...but rather a adventure game ala Myst, Heavy Rain, Telltale games etc?"

A third person, squad base, action shooter with vampires, lycans and multiple weapons like a lightning gun, rocket launcher and all other weapons found in in other 3rd person shooter of it's type? C'mon EDMIX, I doubt it was going for an adventure game with deep story telling like a Telltale game or deep exploration, puzzle solving like Myst and whatever Heavy Rain was trying to do.

"Does Heavy Rain or the Walking Dead games have a "lack of gameplay"?"

Why do people compare The Order with these type of games? Why do they chose games that are not even in it's genre? Why not then just chose Tetris or Frogger if we want to talk about "lack of gameplay" and compare them to The Order.

Shouldn't we compare The Order with other games in it's same genre? A 3rd person action game/shooter? That seems to makes a lot more sense.

Nirvana315913376d ago

Do The Order 1886's sales indicate we care too much about graphics? Umm no it indicates we don't give a flying f**k about BS reviews

remixx1163376d ago

All the order sales show is how irrelevant reviews are becoming.

I'm guessing if bloodborn sells well they are going to ask "does bloodborne sales indicate that we care to much about difficulty??".

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Blazin_283376d ago

I loved the order! Maybe it sold well because its a great game??? I will not hesitate to preorder a sequel when announced.

GUTZnPAPERCUTZ3376d ago

Dude all yall are doing is setting up AAA Devs to put out shorter less interactive games! The Graphics are GREAT, the Story is GREAT, the Atmosphere is GREAT, BUT, a 4-5 hour game after cut scenes with no interactivity is NOT what the average gamer wants (the majority) so stop defending it just because its a PS4 exclusive like you all do on every game!

There is nothing wrong with making a short good game, but when you charge $60 for it and hype it through the roof, don't get all pissy when the majority is upset about it!
This is NEXT GEN, I don't know about you all, But I want an open world game like GTA 5, with crafting and skill trees like Dying light, with gun play as good as COD/Battlefield, Animals abundant like Far Cry, I want to walk into every single interior and it be littered with loot like Skyrim, Full scale destruction like Red Faction, and full fledged physics that are so life like that if it seems logical it's possible!
THAT'S WHAT NEXT GEN IS TOO ME MOST OF ALL

gangsta_red3376d ago

Some good points about wanting more for next gen games. I agree with that also.

I also like to put this question out there for a lot of people also.

When playing these games and besides the graphics, exactly what are most of these games doing differently that couldn't have been done on last gen systems?

When you ask yourself that question then you get a little bit more perspective on maybe why some of these games are rated so low.

OUROSMAG3376d ago

Despite the gaming media's best efforts this game is doing well, and the fact of the matter it is a good game. well said.

OrangePowerz3376d ago

Bubble for you. That's the first thing I was thinking.

arika3376d ago

reviews nowadays doesnt matter as they used too. i would rather go to amazon and checked out the reviews of verified purchases rather than read a review from a review site.to me its much more reliable.

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callahan093376d ago

I was thinking: Or maybe critics don't care enough about graphics to reflect the interests of their audience? People like shiny new toys, so to speak. A graphical showcase to appreciate technical wizardry is something a lot of people appreciate. If it wasn't something that interested people, we wouldn't have probably bought a PS4, because when it really comes down to it, the biggest difference between one console generation and the next is the graphical enhancements that are possible. People pay more money for better graphics. Therefore, people care about graphics, and good graphical showcases are a valuable commodity for those who want to experience that kind of thing. The audience exists.

BallsEye3375d ago

Not speaking in relation to the order but I do think people care too much about graphics. I remember when I was a bit younger and playing this game:
http://www.atarimania.com/8...
It felt almost like a movie. I know, it's weird, right? I enjoyed the crap out of these games. For few next generations gameplay was evolving to the point we've seen awesome games like morrowind where you could "do almost anything". Now new generation of so called "gamers" appeared that only care about graphics just to show it off to other people and that's what made gameplay go back to the days of Atari. I believe it got something to do with mentality of american kids these days where everyone just try to show how much better car or phone they got than everyone else. It doesn't matter if you enjoy it, point is to feel like you got something premium, better.
I wish the days where gameplay was evolving, will be back. It's actually why I'm putting my hopes in "DA POWER OF DA CLOUD!". I don't know when it will actually be used in games but when it does, I hope for amazing AI in huge open worlds and complicated mechanisms, that normally wouldn't be possible on a single home console. One day.

NerdStalker3375d ago

until the day cloud arrives there a top notch quality gaming console called ps4 out which can do all those things.

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jackanderson19853376d ago

We don't know numbers though, all we know is it outsold Evolve(who's numbers we also don't know)... hell it might have only outsold it by 1 single unit, or 1 million units

Silly gameAr3376d ago

You've said this in a lot of Order articles that I've been too. It looks like it's successful despite the bs. Why do you need to know numbers so bad?

jackanderson19853376d ago

Pretty sure it's the first time I've ever said that. Also first time I've queried the orders numbers. Not sure where you saw it previously.

Also the numbers are what would make it successful so you'd kinda need them to determin

the_dark_one3376d ago

No, it shows that we gamers dont care about reviews and just want to enjoy the game( or games). Like i said before this is the same situation as Beyond 2 Souls, many gamers loved it other hated it. Just cause some reviewers gave it low scores, that doesnt mean that gamers will not buy it or not enjoy it.

Neonridr3376d ago

But we aren't talking about one or two reviewers giving it low scores though are we? Generally speaking, this game has been received as average, stating that while it's a gorgeous game, it's lacking a lot of gameplay elements to make it worth your time.

But you are correct in that just because a game receivers lower than expected scores, it doesn't mean that it can't still please many gamers. It's divisive enough that some seem to enjoy it while others do not.

It is however a new exclusive for the PS4 in a time when there wasn't much else available, so it was a no brainer that it would sell well initially.

The question remains will it continue to sell or was the initial rush due to the die-hards who had the game preordered and no review score was going to deter them from purchasing it?

Only time will tell on that question.

MysticStrummer3376d ago

"we aren't talking about one or two reviewers giving it low scores though are we?"

No but we're also not talking about only one or two reviewers giving it a good score either.

Neonridr3376d ago

@Mystic - fair enough, but when it is averaging out at 65 on Metacritic, that usually indicates more mixed to not so favorable reviews. Again, as I said before, just because a game receives a lower score, doesn't mean it still can't be enjoyed or be a good game. It just means that the majority of the people reviewing the game didn't enjoy it. That's all.

I am more interested to see if it continues to sell now that the initial week one sales are over.

uth113376d ago

@Neon-

It's at 65 because it's scores range from 20 - 95! It's not like the last spiderman game or something that scored in the 60s because all the reviews were in the 50-60 range. This is truly a polarizing game.

Neonridr3376d ago

@uth11 - it's at 66 (currently) because that is where the average is at. Out of 71 reviews that are posted to Metacritic, over half (36) fall in the "Mixed" range which are anywhere from 50-70. If Half the reviews were 90 and half were 20 I would agree with you.

But when over half of the reviews score it exactly where it is at, it's hard to grasp for straws.

If it looks like a duck, talks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

That being said, if you enjoyed the game, then great for you. If you thought that it was a 95/100 then so be it. I am not going to tell you it's not. But the majority of the people who played the game and did a review on some professional site or another did not share your opinion.

Take it for what you will.

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Sayburr3376d ago

Yeah, I think the reasons stated in the article [Dry Month and a dour year for video games] seem fair as well as us humans seem to be influenced greatly by "hype" and the more hype there is, the more likely we are to purchase before learning more about it.

This game was heavy marketed, lots of media attention, and a lot of social networking… Seems we fall for that a lot [Titan Fall, Watch Dogs, Knack].

CowbopBeboy3376d ago

I actually really enjoyed Titanfall. Knack and Watch Dogs on the other hand... eesh.

nucky643376d ago (Edited 3376d ago )

so, the media complains when game companies launch top games too close together -and NOW, this guy complains about a game selling WELL because there aren't ENOUGH games launching closed together - LMFAO at this craziness.

btw - i can't speak for everyone....but i didn't fall for anything - from previews, i was into the story, characters, weapons, enviroments, atomosphere and enemies (lycans) and they gave me everything i wanted + more (vampires!! and an interesting take on jack the ripper) and no - i never bought titan fall, watch dogs, knack OR KZ:shadowfall.

edit: volkama below - it wasn't just the "good graphics" see above.

Taero3375d ago

*sigh* I've already been spoiled on this before but could you perhaps not include plot details like vampires in replies like this? Everything else was fine and I agree with you, I too was in to everything shown, but I could have done without knowing about that (I get it might not be a big thing or a big reveal but without actually having seen it it's impossible to know so it still feels like a big spoiler).

averagejoe263376d ago

What? The game was barely hyped. We knew very little about it and only started seeing commercials a week or two before release. How is that being over hyped?

Destiny, with multiple ads all over the place for months, special ps4 deals involving the game, etc.. THAT'S being over hyped.

I can't tell if these people are too dumb to come to realistic conclusions or just use what other people say as their own thoughts. Either way, it's unintelligent and ruining the gaming community.

Volkama3376d ago (Edited 3376d ago )

If people care about graphics and choose to get the game for that reason I don't see a problem.

If people are buying it because they've been sucked in by a good marketing campaign or because they think exclusivity makes it worthwhile then they're stupid. But if someone just likes to chill and take in some good graphics then who's to say they are wrong?

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers28d ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken27d ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g28d ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing28d ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H928d ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola28d ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn66928d ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle28d ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg28d ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos28d ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola28d ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies49d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken48d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga48d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken48d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6448d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long48d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197248d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic48d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12548d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91348d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer48d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit48d ago (Edited 48d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91348d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit48d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher49d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6948d ago (Edited 48d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit48d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal49d ago (Edited 49d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher49d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken48d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197248d ago (Edited 48d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic48d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2348d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218348d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit48d ago (Edited 48d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder48d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts48d ago

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