Xbox Execs on Forza Motorsport 6: "No One Is Gonna Be Disappointed;" Coming This Holiday Season

After the reveal at the Detroit Auto Show, Microsoft has been mostly silent about Forza Motorsport 6, but yesterday Xbox EMEA Social Marketing Manager Graeme Boyd and Xbox Global Director of Games Marketing Aaron Greenberg talked a bit about the game.

[RG_Dubz]

30fps = disappointment

All racing games need to be 60fps.

[Abriael]

I disagree. Racing games aren't the twitchiest of experiences, and if 30 as a simulation frame rate is enough for the developer to calculate physics (and there are no reason why it shouldn't, especially for an arcadesim), I'd rather have more immersive graphics, weather, night/day and my pipe dream, more cars on track.

If they can achieve that with 60, great, but if they need to drop to 30 for that, great anyway.

[CYCLEGAMER]

Forza 5 was 1080p 60fps....i do not see forza taking a step backwards 2 years later.

[Naga]

It will be 60fps, just like the last one in the Motorsport series.

And as a general pont, I agree - 30fps is perfectly fine for most arcade racers. 60fps much more necessary for those simulations in which every frame counts. Though it isn't tied to calculations per second - Forza Motorsport has a long history of calculation speeds being more than double the graphical frame rate.

[Yi-Long]

I don't really care about 30fps or 60fps, cause Driveclub has shown it can be very smooth and fast while 'only' being 30fps.

I prefer a gorgeous looking game at 30fps over an empty/dull looking game at 60fps.

When it comes to Forza, I'm much more concerned about all the DLC-milking the series has gotten to be known for.

I LOVED Forza, and I actually still love Forza, cause it's got great graphics and gameplay, but the DLC-milking had actually turned me completely off of the series.

I'm really hoping games like Project CARS will offer much more content and much less DLC-milking, while also delivering in the gameplay-department, so games like Forza and GT finally have some decent competition, that hopefully will force them to also 'up' their game, not just in gameplay and graphics, but also in how they treat their customers when it comes to the DLC.

[Utalkin2me]

@MELMAN26

And had to cut alot of corners to do so.

http://www.examiner.com/art...

[JackBNimble]

I bet most of you couldn't even see a difference between 30fps and 60 fps, or have ever seen 60fps.

[otherZinc]

@Abriael,

Forza Motorsport 5 WAS 1080p 60fps; Locked,
At Launch!

Forza Motorsport 6 will use Windows 10 and
DirectX 12. Forza Motorsport 6 will hit
1080p 60fps with ease!

You're saying 30fps is ok because Drive Club can't hit 1080p 60fps. Racing games that aren't open world, must be 60fps! Racing games are best at 60fps, like Fighting Games.

I would like a return of NASCAR.

Formula One was ggreat, however, NASCAR is my favorite.

[Dee_91]

Abriael believe it or not Forza isn't an arcade sim.It may not produce 1:1 real world physics like all racing sims strives for.But that doesn't make it an arcade.Arcadesim comes up in conversation when comparing sims, but its a vast over exaggeration. I play iRacing, Assetto corsa, GT6, forza 4, and pCars and the differences in the physics are so miniscule that only real professionals or experts can point them out..
Now regarding 30fps, i'm not sure what you mean by "the twitchiest of experiences" but if you mean little need for quick reaction then you couldn't be more wrong.Quick reaction is racing.During one of the gt academy qualifications ,I think there was a bug in the game and the fps would drop in a few areas on Silverstone, this added milliseconds on to people's times, which is massive considering the time split between 1st and 50th could be 2 seconds..You need that 60fps to get near perfect reaction time.Need for speed shift 2 is a prime example with reaction time.The console version was 30fps and had massive input lag, a complete mess basically, but the pc version had 60fps, and the input lag was less noticeable.Now it may not be necessary for casuals, but for core racing sims fans 60fps is a must, I personally can play at 30fps, because I don't strive for lap times and I drive like a grandpa, but for racing fans this will be a huge deal if its 30fps.I think for the fans it would be best for them to find somewhere to cut to get the resources to achieve 60fps.Or at least have changeable settings... That is if it is 30fps, I don't see where they stated it would be..

[Abriael]

Dee_91: Forza is definitely arcadish. I've played many sims since GP Legends, and Forza doesn't get even close simulation wise.

That's definitely not an issue. Full fledged sims would probably not work very well commercially on consoles, but Forza simply isn't one.

[Dee_91]

You're talking about Motorsport not horizon right? The fact is, it strives for realism, it should be classified in such manner.Arcade racers don't have real tire models, laser scanned tracks, and proper transmission, and suspension tuning, even if arguably its not 100% identical to real world calculations doesn't make it an arcade.Like I said this whole arcadesim classification is only a thing when comparing it component by component to other sims like iRacing and alternate versions of iRacing that actual racing drivers use to practice.But standing on its own, it is a simulator, and even comparing console simulators to pc simulators they completely hold their own.I couldn't say the same 10 years ago. This whole "console sim racers can never be as good PC sim racers" thing needs to stay in the ps2 xbox era, because now they are much closer in many aspects.
People have been telling me Gran Turismo isn't a true sim like iRacing since 2010, they made the differences sound so major when in reality, after playing iRacing the differences are so insignificant to a casual racer.Granted PS2 and earlier era the differences were major.

[Jazzuri]

try turning off the assists in FH5 and then try comparing it to an arcade racer.

[Abriael]

Dee_91: if you think Forza Motorsport (or Gran Turismo, at that) is a simulator, you never tried driving a tail-happy high performance car in real life.

The model is based on realistic physics, but so do many other arcade/sim hybrids, it's toned down a LOT to make it more enjoyable, even with full assists off. Cars are glued to the asphalt in comparison with reality.

I'm sorry, but if you really think the differences with iRacing are "insignificant," you either never tried iRacing (especially past the few basic super-slow cars), or you don't really know how to compare.

[dRanzer]

otherZinc#

"Driveclube cant hit 1080\60"
you say it like if this game will go to xbox one then he will hit 1080\60 - and we both know this is not true.
froza 5 hit 1080\60 becouse the low visuls the game had
pepole here acting like froza 5 was the best game visuls on the planet,and truly this is not the case.
cant see froza 6 with level of visuls like driveclub hit 1080\60,unless they using dx12,not really,just kidding :P

[Dee_91]

I've driven my cousin's corvette around pacific raceways,I race karts on occasion, my daily driver is a dodge challenger.I have experience with cars that tend to oversteer to say the least.Thats beside the point.. Which you seem to continuously gloss over considering you used comparisons in each of your comments lol ..If I was to compare iRacing to real life, I could call it an arcadesim..
Arcade racers vaguely base their models on real world physics..
"or you don't really know how to compare."
Oh do you mean like when I said "the differences in the physics are so miniscule that only real professionals or experts can point them out" or "the differences are so insignificant to a casual racer" Yea you may have a point there, considering i'm not claiming to be a pro in that department.I can't explain my point anymore than I did, so I will just leave it.

[christocolus]

@RG

Depends on the type of racer and usually it also depends on what the developer is aiming for with the game.. Forza Horizon 2 is open world 30fps and it runs and plays like a dream. Forza Motorsport on the other hand has always aimed for 60fps with great physics and customizations and i don't think that will change with FM6. Dan Greenwalt and his team are extremely talented and its been a long time since the Xbox One launched and so much has changed so i expect FM6 to be a lot better than FM5.

[mcstorm]

I agree. For me Forza 5 felt abit like GT5 did when that came out where it was unfinished but it was also a early gen game which we dint always see a big jump in graphics etc.

I enjoyed Forza 5 but it did not feel as good or as big as 4. Horizon 2 on the other hand I can't get enough and when I thought PG could not top horizon they did with 2.

I'm looking forward to seeing more of Forza 6 and this is one of the games I will be interested in getting this year.

[fanboysmackdown]

Where in this article does it mention anything about 30 fps?

[Baka-akaB]

No 60 fps for racing is a boon , but most console racers havent been 60 fps actually . It's a trend that started late on gamecube with F zero , and followed solely by a few ips without most console gamers noticing . We can mostly hope and expect that it stays the norm for series that are already running at 60 fps

[NeoGamer232]

That was a value-less, stupid, and uninformed fanboy comment.

Forza Motorsports 5 was 60 FPS... Why do you think Forza Motorsports 6 would be anything less?

They have better SDKs now, more available resources on the machine, probably DX12, and will have spent two years optimizing their Forza game engine.

I don't see how this game could be anything less than 1080p and 60 FPS.

[u4one]

forza motorsport has always been 60 fps from the first version to the last. and i would say all racing sims need to be 60 fps. the horizons, driveclubs, need for speeds don't really matter as much to me because you're not playing them for the physics.

[GenuineGamer]

Forza 1 was 30fps. Forza 2 was the first 60fps motorsport title.

[MasterCornholio]

And it will be 1080p 60FPS. The only Forzas that are 30 are the open world ones.

[annoyedgamer]

Forza Motorsport games are 60 FPS.

[TheCommentator]

The numbered part of the Forza franchise has always been 60fps. Additionally, since Forza 2 the physics have run at 360fps. Besides Project Cars, I've not heard of any other game doing this. Only the open world Horizon games are 30fps. Please grow up and quit flaming.

[Hanuman]

You're comment is disappointing. Nowhere is stated that the game will be 30fps.

[GearSkiN]

Try again, looks like u know nothing about the game.

[mhunterjr]

There is never been at Forza motorsport game to come in under 60fps... I doubt they'll start now...

[Magicite]

Those who dont have an Xbox also wont be disappointed? Great to hear!

[iamlegend9999]

If i don't play a game because of some resolution. You shouldn't even call yourself a gamer

[memots]

Again with this 30fps B.S

Where were you last gen? You do know that about 10% of games where made to reached 60fps.

This stupid l33t attitude is so bad.

PGR Racing 3 and 4 2 of the best racing game on console last gen where fast racer. And yup you guessed it 30fps.

[TheXgamerLive]

Rg, you do know that Forza 5 is 1080p 60fps. Forza Horizan 2 is an open world game so yes it was 1080p 30fps. Big difference. Forza 6 will have some DX12 emplimented so yes its going to look better than any other racing game to date.

[RG_Dubz]

You do know Forza 5 was compared to GT6 (A Last-Gen game) and GT6 actually looked better in a lot of areas.

I don't even consider that a Current-Gen game.

Also I guarantee it will not look better then Driveclub, Unless it runs at 15fps. lol

You highly overestimate XB1's hardware capabilities.

[Foehammer]

Forza 6 will be awesome, I don't know why RG is here?

First RG makes a non sequitur statement about 30fps when there is only one console racer that runs at 60fps and 1080p, and it's Forza 5.

Then RG makes a statement about a comparison between F5 and GT6.

That is true

But the results are not what RG sad they are:

http://www.cinemablend.com/...

"you can see that it's still miles better than its previous-gen rival, Gran Turismo 6."

http://www.destructoid.com/...

"Forza 5's cars look incredible. Given the next-gen advantage, I'm sure GT6's cars would look just as nice. But, right now, Polyphony Digital's work can't touch Turn 10's."

[VealParmHero]

Just to add my opinion, 30fps is not a disappointment in general, but for Forza 6 it might be. I have gone back and forth from Forza Horizon to FM5 and the difference is pretty huge. So to be fair, FH2 is great at 30fps, but after having FM5 at 60fps, it would be hard to swallow a change back to 30 for the next FM title. I bet that at this point they could hit 1080/60 and match or likely beat the E3 build of FM5. It might not be be quite on par with a game like driveclub graphically though, but should still look great. We need an impressive looking game with 60 frames and great physics, even if it's not the "most" impressive looking in the genre.

[GNCFLYER]

I used to think that RG. Then I got a hold of driveclub and realized it's not the case.

[Gamer1982]

No one is gonna be disappointed?? Nintendo WiiU only owners who are interested in it will be.. :P. I couldn't help it.. It was there..

[d0x360]

Main series forza has always been 60fps so what are you going on about

[Svinya]

Forza has never been anything other than 60fps so why even mention it?

[xtremeimport]

releasing a game annually and I'm already disappointed.

[Professor_K]

Every year you are dissapointed because you cant play them.

[xtremeimport]

I like the idea of making a game last longer than a year. giving us half backed games instead of one that took years to develop is a bad trend this industry is taking.

[tee_bag242]

I agree, all serious racers should be 60fps. No where in the article does it say it will be 30fps.
All the Forza Motorsport series have been 60fps.. Including the older 360 releases. On the spinoff Horizon series with dumbed down physics and frame rate made the 30fps compromise.

[angelusbrz]

You're right but casuals or people who don't know what they're talking about will down vote you.

[gamerfan0909]

Turn 10 is the best racing dev since Bizarre Creations. I don't doubt these dudes with anything. Them and Playground just consistently produce nothing but quality racing game after quality racing game.

[SoapShoes]

Well as far as FM goes I'll look forward to it. Idk about project cars.

[Sitdown]

"From what I’ve seen, no one is gonna be disappointed about that game."
-that is the full sentence from his quote, pretty sure you already know why the article title cut out the first piece.

[Automatic79]

I loved Forza Motorsport 5 can't wait to see what they do with Forza Motorsport 6.

[RiseofScorpio]

Forza 5 looked amazing and that was a launch game using 90% of the XB1s GPU and no DX12 or modern SDKs.

Forza 6 is gonna look and play extraordinary, hopefully they bring in night racing and weather.

[Eonjay]

If February... can't believe we are already talking about the Holidays again...

[r3f1cul]

when i switched from ps2 to xbox 360... i was a bit worried about not having my gran turismo... then i immediately picked up forza 2... dropped over 400 hours into MP alone and finished ever single championship event... i havent looked back since... forza is the only racing franchise out there minus gran turismo that hasnt let me down yet and i doubt the next installment will be any different

[Immorals]

Owned every forza to date, can't see why I'd miss this one!

[Artemidorus]

I won't be buying anymore Forza's the first two on Xbox One were total rubbish the online lacked, they charge DLC all over the place.

Project Cars and a return to Gran Turismo for me.

[Immorals]

Dunno what games you were playing, forza 5 was great, and horizon 2 is the best racing game I've ever played.

[StrayaKNT]

Same, fh2 is the best racer i have ever played.

[Thefreeman012]

FOrza Horizon 2 Rubbish? I know its your opinion but what more do you want from a racing game??

[LexHazard79]

Playing Forza 5 now. I can't wait to play FM6..Xbox One looking to have another great black friday/xmas.

[Grell566]

Forza Motorsport 6 gonna kick ass. Forza series is the best console racer ever.

[Man-Eee-Faces]

XB1 really is the racing console to have. Think Forza 2 and Forza 3. The leaped was HUGE between those 2 games and I fully expect Forza 6 to be a beast!

[Svinya]

Think Forza 2 and Forza 4 on the same console.... It was like ps2 vs ps3 quality..

[WESKER2015]

i brought forza 5 day one, passed on horizon 2, will most likely buy forza 6, pretty much the best racing simulator on the market today, i await to see what the next installment of gran turisimo brings

[Moldiver]

Looking forward to this.I hope I can carry my custom liveries over from FM5. And Im hoping for rain and day/night cycles to be in there this time along with forza 4 levels (or more)of content.And the return of porches, even as DLC, like they did in FM4. And replays that run at 60FPs like the game itself, would be a nice bonus.

[hasamalaha]

Love these articles quoting marketing managers.

What the hell do you expect them to say?

[StormLegend]

Enough of these games It's one released every year.

[Sensiblesteve]

Who cares if it's 60fps or not

It will still be the best racer around

[Yaay4me]

But is it going to be innovating the racing genre? Because otherwise its not good enough. It better have some new innovations in gameplay.

[x_RadicalAura_x]

Just don't load it up with microtransactions this time plz.

[cruzngta]

It will be 1080/60 just like 5 was but with MUCH more detail and effects due to the improvements made to the console and sdks since launch. I would love to see them hit Driveclub level graphics in terms of track detail and weather effects. If they can do that and have all the cars with full mods than I say it will beat Driveclub hands down.

[Father__Merrin]

it will easily be the same as forxa 5 in resolution and frame rates

they will chuck a few extra tracks in amd more cars but will essentially be the same experience.

I hope the game actually ships on the disc this time round, as last time half the game you had to download it

[pumpactionpimp]

Will definetly disappoint me, as I don't have an xbone, and Forza is one of my favorite racing series.

[GenuineGamer]

Get an XB1 they are sweeeet :D

[secretcode]

Give me a Forza that's microtransaction-free or non-focused and I'll come back to Motorsport. Until then, Horizon is my jam.

[GenuineGamer]

Night racing and weather confirmed!!! Otherwise alot of people are going to be dissapointed lol.

[urwifeminder]

Nice the only franchise I buy day one these days.

[Tzuno]

No One Is Gonna Be Disappointed, and by that they mean PC too?

[tekksin]

Enough with the annual rehashing, jesus. Weren't last year's sales bad enough? People are tired of Forza. Let the game be silent for a few years. My god.

[StrayaKNT]

lol does anyone else see microsoft pointing a gun at this guys head forcing him to buy it? because i dont

[christocolus]

lmao..

[StrayaKNT]

I can only imagine how good this will be after fh2 and now that its not going to be rushed for release. Day one.

[Jivesh]

Please don't, Forza 4 was great go back to that.

[modelgod]

Why did yi-long get so many disagrees? I've played and got every achievement in all Forzas and both horizons and he's absolutely correct about the saturation of DLC's. I need those who disagreed with his comment to PLEASE explain.#yi-long yourabsolutely 100% on point!!!!

[llMurcielagoll]

It better be. Forza 5 was a complete joke. Massive drawback in what we had in FM4.

I won't take anything for granted but I still look forward to see what FM6 has in store for us.

[iNFAMOUZ1]

Can't wait!!!!!
day 1

[plut0nash]

I have three gripes:

1. More cars, less DLC - and top leaderboard cars shipping with game.
2. No big Day One patch.
3. If they can't do 60fps, 30 will do. For god's sake though - fix the damn physics. Race 07 plays better on my Xbox One controller and has far more interesting physics than Forza Motorsport 5.

[galgor]

I like the way they've rushed these games out to catch up on the numbers game with Gran Turismo. But after six, will it go back to One? Haha

[Moldiver]

And yet, every forza released since 2 has done a better job than its predessor, while in the space of two GTs on PS3, PD failed to move their own series forward. Says a lot more about T10s ability to constantly improve as it does PDs focus on...well..we all know GT is a game that is stuck in 2003. As good as its handling model is, forza surpassed it at FM3 and continually got better. FM5 is the only FM game that didint bring nothing new because it was a rushed out,launch game. There STILL is not a PS4 racer to match it. That also says a lot about the quality of T10s work.

@corroios.

The only thing "next gen" about DC is its graphics. Outside of that it could have just as easily been a PS3 game. Its all good and well having the best looking weather but if every other sim with lesser graphics simulates the effect of water on simulated tyres bette.ie..actually simulated ( something that DC does not do..and yes I have played it), then what is really next gen about DC,apart from the visuals? The cars feel like something from an NFS game.

You have pretty low expectations about what makes a next gen racer, if you think it simply means equates to graphics. Wake me up when DC becomes a sim running at 60FPS with REAL car handling. Eye candy alone does not make a next gen game...have you learned nothing from last week after the madness that was the order:1866 reviews?

[SKullDugger]

SONY ponies will be coming for you soon. I love Forza 5 and can't wait for 6.. Eye candy alone does not make a game look at The Order 1886 for a example. Driveclub is not that great of game I agree and the eye candy only goes so far in DC roll a car the bottom is flat and black and the tires look like they are floating on the road not touching it.

[RocknRolla]

I've been disappointed with the last 2 Forza games. That's NOT including Horizon which I found enjoyable. I think I've lost interest in the whole Forza/Gran Turismo simulation racers.

I just don't have the time nor ability to sit back and enjoy them. I guess because I'm not into cars or driving as much as others that may be why I don't enjoy them anymore.

I'll still give it a look when it's shown off more this year, but right now I'll have to wait to if I won't be disappointed.

[curtis92]

Forza is honestly the big reason I have an Xbox One. And it's weird because I'm really not that much of a car guy. That series is just...mesmerizing though. And it does everything I WISH the GT series did.

[Jaqen_Hghar]

Just don't act surprised when it's announced. We all know it's coming. Then the year after that. Then the year after that. A man wishes it would go back to bi-annual since this and the Show have become the Madden/COD of exclusives.

[corroios]

Microsoft wants money likie all companies. Next year forza horizon 3 and so on. If it sells they dont take a risk in a new ip. Its bussiness.

[GreenUp]

Hopefully Logitech comes out with a Racing Wheel by the holidays that's compatible with PS4, Xbox, and PC. Call it the G28! Three pedals, and a 5-6 speed gearbox.