Biggest Lies Video Game Developers Tried To Tell You But Ended Up Getting Caught

Unfortunately, gamers are lied to and are given expectations for video games far more than what developers are able to deliver.

[Cyb3r]

http://gamingbolt.com/bigge...
Angry Joe interview with Larry Hryb

[paulomoreira]

http://gamingbolt.com/bigge...

[ABizzel1]

@paulomoreira

It did, Super Stardust 3D was 720p @ 120fps. Whether it was the game you or anyone else was hoping for is irrelevant, but it was not a lie at all.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[ABizzel1]

Has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand, and also the topic you originally referred to.

The definition of "going off at a tangent".

But since you brought it up, could you do me a favor and post the DIRECT link to the Famitsu article, because I remember reading it very clearly, and Shuhei SPECIFICALLY said their marketing campaign was geared towards exposing the negative DRM fiasco the XBO suffered. He NEVER said the PS4 had a DRM policy that was dropped after seeing what happened to the XBO. He said after seeing the negative towards the XBO and their DRM, it made decisions easy for Sony and became a useful source for the PS4.

The problem is your kind simply read flamebait headlines from amateur websites that flood n4g, and you trolls ran with it.

Even Polygon reported the news as it actually was.

http://www.polygon.com/2013...

Sony saw all the bad that happened with the XBO, and they simply exploited it, not once did he EVER say the PS4 had DRM.

[abstractel]

ABizzel, I think it's really clear that this thread is viewed by die-hard Xbox fans mostly who took offense to the article. Every rational comment in here is getting disagreed.

Neither company is perfect (both are made up out of thousands of individuals, and hundreds who influence the development to some extent, and tens who influence it significantly), and the definition of a fanboy is one that can't see the fault in who they are a fan of.

[SonofGod]

That wasn't a lie. Major Nelson said it isn't as simple as flipping a switch to turn off DRM, which is true because the console was built around DRM. Anyone who knows a little bit about computer programming knows that they would have to change a lot of code to get a day one patch ready for the console launch.

But of course stupid people took it out of context and now it's a lie for some reason.

[ABizzel1]

It was a lie, because like he said to Angry Joe, He's not a software / hardware engineer so he had no idea how easy it was to stop the DRM policies.

They announced DRM, and literally within the months of E3 - launch (at most 5 months time) after seeing pre-order numbers getting wrecked they dropped DRM.

He had no business answering that question, because he was not a software engineer just like he told Angry Joe, and he looked flat out stupid after that.

[UltraNova]

Its really amazing that we still have people defending MS's draconian ways..they are indeed mind control masters.

OT: That 120fps quote was indeed hilarious, however fortunately for them, Sony changed their general stance for the better.

As for the Killzone 2 trailer I still dont get what the fuss was all about since the game was obviously 99% as good as that trailer (obvious to those who actually played it)

[Cueil]

that there are people who think that the transition didn't cost Microsoft a ton of money and time as well as made them cut back on a ton of features that took months to get back on the console baffles me

[OrangePowerz]

Good old Peter Mollyneux, they could write an essay just based on all of his overpromising :D

[SmielmaN]

He was the worst. Every fable game that was about to be released was supposed to be revolutionary and a experience unlike any other. Then a couple months after release he talks about how he was disappointed with how the game turned out. That guy sucks.

[OrangePowerz]

He still is, just look at his mobile thingy where people had to chip away blocks or Godus :)

[n4rc]

OK.. Am I the only one that actually understands that expression? (In the pic)

"You can't just flip a switch" means its not easy or simple, nothing about being impossible.

[DragonKnight]

Actually it's clear you don't understand that expression because Microsoft almost literally just flipped a switch. They created a patch that just bypasses the checks, that's why the initial check is there when you first buy the Xbox One, but it literally was that easy for them.

[Volkama]

Tis an impressive switch that measures the commercial and technical impact of a policy change, writes those new policies, writes and tests a patch, and addresses the inevitable concerns of their commercial partners. I wonder if major nelson got to be the guy that flipped it?

[DragonKnight]

@Volkama: The corporate side of the switch definitely wasn't as easy to flip, granted, but when you stack the idea of flipping it requiring whole design changes vs. what actually happened (a software patch), that's where you see that it really was that easy for Microsoft. They, and Nelson wasn't the only one guilty of it, made it seem like the DRM was integral to the function of the device. It wasn't and a patch proved that.

[Cueil]

the entire back end needed to be changed... remember this was just a few months from release when they did this... they didn't just "patch" the entire back end

[DragonKnight]

@Cueil: Technically speaking they did just patch the entire back end. You also present a possible situation in which Microsoft were already planning to remove the DRM beforehand, which we know isn't true. Also, do you have any links to show that says they had to rewrite the entire back end, preferably not from neogaf?

[SpinalRemains138]

No, he implied that manufacturing would have to come to a halt, the initial machines destroyed and the console redesigned.

He tried to imply that the change would require millions in a redesign and that the DRM was integral to the current state of the One's specs and OS.

It wasn't. He lied.

[Cueil]

no he didn't... he implied that the system was designed with this in mind... truth... and that it would cost millions (man hours mostly) to redo the back end. Microsoft did that... we also lost a ton of features that we only really started to get back in may and june of the follow year

[S2Killinit]

That response was given when a journalist would ask why dont they just turn it off, and he would imply that it was impossible by saying that "the whole console is based around that technology". Basically he was telling the fans to forget about it and dont complain because it wont go anywhere.

[Stoppokingme]

As long as people keep falling for these false promises then the publishers will keep pushing them.

[not4gamers]

"Biggest lies video game developers tell you"

how else will they manipulate money from consumers??
with the truth?? (every business do simular manipulation) "the game half done with bugs " also play like crap. "Hype" somehow is the ticket to separate us blindly from our money. believing in such nonsense which is a lie as well is what blind us from the Truth .
"glitches,bugs,half finish game"

[Kane22]

i personally thought killzone 2 looked better than the trailer.

[OldDude]

KZ2 & 3, my favorite games on PS3. To me the best system ever made and I started playing when Pong came out. Yep, I'm old.

[snoopgg]

Yeah, Killzone 3 looks great even compared to games on the ps4 and xboxone

[starchild]

That's crazy talk. Seriously, Killzone 2 was an incredible looking game, but it was far from the CGI trailer. Even Killzone Shadow Fall doesn't equal that trailer in every way (it's better in some ways and worse in others).

[Sm00thNinja]

Wow..... I can't even... No stahp the original killzone 2 trailer still amazes me and THAT MOTORSTORM TRAILER

[InTheLab]

The funny thing about Killzone 2 is that it gets hate for this but ended up being the best looking game on consoles for years...

[Viryu]

My picks:

http://kotaku.com/dragon-ag...
http://gamerant.com/destiny...

[starchild]

Why? Games in development are subject to change. If they do an early demonstration it isn't a promise, it's just a work in progress that people need to realize can and most often does change.

[Viryu]

Those were false promises revealed to the public. Take Destiny's trailer for example, revealed at E3. Most of the things shown there, which were supposed to convince potential buyers, were cut out. If that doesn't fit this topic, than I don't know what.

[MAULxx]

As far as developers go, I think CD Project Red tells it like it is. They seem to do a lot less Bsing.
As far as companies go, MS will BS you & if you buy that they'll feed you some more. Not saying Sony never BSs but MS is horrible & the proof's in the pudding so to speak.

[Lennoxb63]

*wipes tears away. Man thanks for that laugh. Sony never BSs people huh? I'm going to let you in on a secret. None of these companies care about you. They will say and do anything to get your money. You are nothing more than numbers on a spreadsheet to both MS, Sony, and many other companies.

[dreamed]

Couldnt agree more......wtf is it with fanboys????

[Phar0ahad3]

its funny but you didnt show proof how sonys bs's people

[MasterCornholio]

"Not saying Sony never BSs"

That's what he said.

This is what you said.

"Sony never BSs people huh?"

He never said that.

Read the whole thing before extracting just the bits you want to read.

[ENSABAHNUR]

Ummm for 2014, it would've been Destiny that developers lied about that bugged me the most.... To sum it up best was Angry Joes review... There was sooo much that they said that never came to fruition. I remember them saying that each world was the size of Halo Reach in its entirety, "after the beta " there will be more areas in old Russia that will be unlocked when the game releases, etc.... While it plays solid pve wise, pvp was a disappointment, 80% of the story is missing, extreme lack of content variety,... I could go on but you get the point..... Thank God for games like Alien Iso, DAI, FC4,GTA,TLOU... They saved last year for me

[SpinalRemains138]

I've seen so many lies over the decades, just like all of us.

We pretty much know how to separate the fluff from the stuff.

[Godmars290]

Kinect never really delivered, yet let MS show their version of VR and their fan camp instantly jump on it as gospel.

[DigitalRaptor]

Lie #11 - "HoloLens isn't VR or AR".

Yes, they're actually trying to pretend it isn't, and lie to people AGAIN to depict it as being edgy: http://www.gamespot.com/art...

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Wired reporting on Natal in 2009: "It works"
http://www.wired.com/2009/0...

Wired reporting on HoloLens in 2015: "It's amazing"
http://www.wired.com/2015/0...

Their fan camp believe in this stuff. We've seen just how remarkably little Kinect did for gaming over the years, and now they believe that HoloLens will offer something more than casual gaming applications, whilst we all know that it will end up being far more useful outside the gaming field and end up being used for the Xbox UI more than gaming experiences themselves.

HoloLens is going to mirror the Kinect cycle ALL over again.

[nerdeu]

That Killzone 2-trailer made me buy the game. It was faaaar from what the trailer presented action- and animationwise. I still liked the dark tone of it and it was a decent game. Killzone 3 itself was horrible. Few games have that good graphics but that boring story and sucky lip-syncing. What was the name of the character again? Oh, yeah - I don't remember and I really don't care. Guerrilla could use a story writer ASAP ... and a person that understand what lip syncing means.

[DigitalRaptor]

That Killzone PS3 trailer was produced and released in 2005.

Killzone 2 had loads of in-game pre-release material and came out in 2009.

You had 4 years to discover that what you were buying would not be the same as the original CG trailer (which was incredibly obvious CG). How could anyone actually believe that was in-game in the first place unless you were younger (and thus more naive) than the age rating on the box?

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"Guerrilla could use a story writer ASAP"

Let's hope you like their next game then. You know, their upcoming open-world RPG, where they now have the lead writer of Fallout: New Vegas on their team. :) http://www.gamesindustry.bi...

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@ Kavorklestein

Such an inspired reach there. Just so we're balanced here, I'll just go out and say that whatever BS'ing you're trying to make look worse for Sony, MS has been caught with their pants down about 10x more often, especially with things that they thought would make them a lot of money at the expense of them being honest with their consumers. i.e. Kinect and Xbone philosophy.

Faked demos, dishonest taglines: "better with Kinect", and how about BS'ing people with Project Natal videos like this ( https://www.youtube.com/wat... ), when only 6 years later they would completely abandon the whole "you are the controller" marketing crap. What is worse than that kind of BS? Drawing consumers in with false promises, and then the reality is even worse than you could imagine.

I won't even get into the dishonesty surrounding the Xbone and their vision.

At least Killzone 2 was a great game (91/100 on Metacritic) with phenomenal visuals, to go along with the reveal trailer BS that you're trying to drag out and make appear worse because the game took, you know, TIME to make.

[nerdeu]

I know but in this case I just went for the original claim from Sony that it actually was in-game material and presented what the PS3 was capable of. False advertising if you ask me.

Hopefully Guerrilla can turn me over with their new project. Thanks for the link. I also discovered that Guerrilla are searching for new writers. Good call.

http://www.guerrilla-games....

[Kavorklestein]

Okay so you pointed out that the game took four years to come out.
That only multiplies the severity of B.S.ing ...
Tell me how it's somehow okay to announce a game showing a BullShot trailer AND- the game they are trying to get people to buy the console for won't even exist for 4 years?
That's like TWO lies in one.

[Bass_fisherman]

Let´s not forget the PS Vita...it hardly delivers any exclusives....

[nerdeu]

It will .... Riiiiiiiiiiidge Racceeeeeeeeer - The Vita Version

Just kidding. Vita has mainly failed because of hardware that wasn't in line with neither PS3 or PS4. And it didn't put out good exclusives early in the cycle. Today nobody cares about Vita even though Sony did an attempt to re-release it during 2013. But nah ... ain't getting it.

[Yetter]

I don't know why you guys think software engineers working around the clock to completely rewrite the XB1 OS in a matter of 4 months equates to 'flipping a switch'

[nerdeu]

Probably because they don't understand the issues of programming and getting all components working in sync. We'll probably see the first fully-optimized DX12/Mantle-games in 2017 (in 2016 if we're lucky). Todays engines are hardly DX12/Mantle-optimized and the developers have just been introduced to the fact that they can work all CPU-cores on full-load. The fact that they suddenly can use all CPU-cores and don't have to put them in line takes new ways of thinking and rewriting code as you mentioned.

With that said the current games that have been released and will be released during 2015/early 2016 won't have significant advantage of DX12/Mantle since they haven't been built with DX12/Mantle in mind and probably haven't used engines that are built for these new API's in the first place. As Wardell said recently: the developers are mainly using DX9-tech still as of today and presented Destiny as a typical example.

[kurruptor]

Maybe so, but you also have no clue how many man hours it took. It could have taken a day.

[Yetter]

And neither do you, but I do know a thing or two about writing software on a team and its unlikely it took a day

[kurruptor]

Didn't say I did. But here are the facts.

- June 6, MS reveals the policies.
- June 15, Angry Joe interview released conversation about the DRM. Interview was sometime during E3.
- Somewhere in here, MS is getting trounced in preorders.
- June 19, MS announces DRM will go away.

He lied. If he doesn't know how the software works, he shouldn't have said what he did. He even got cocky when Joe said it could be turned off. Asking Joe "are you on the development team". Hryb should have asked himself that question first.

[srd4484]

Major Nelson's a game developer?

[RosweeSon]

At a guess this will just be filled with EA, Microsoft and Ubisoft... Pass.

[starchild]

That's some mighty fine bias you got there. If those three are the only companies you would put on the list you're living in a fantasy world.

[nerdeu]

I'm calling out the MS-guy Whitten that said:

"Rocket Science Level Stuff" about the new Kinect.

[iceman06]

It COULD be true considering that most rockets and space shuttles run on outdated hardware/software!?! LOL
All in all, that was just more of the marketing talk that you get with launch hardware.

[ThatOneRiggaNob]

LOL @ the pic! Major Nelson is cool but that AngryJoe video will always be funny as hell. Especially the video he did after they reversed it.

[FlameWater]

and how exactly does one output 120fps on a ps3?

[mattdillahunty]

one doesn't. one just picks out one game in the entire PS3 library (probably a couple thousand games, maybe more), says that it does 120fps, and then acts like that refutes Ken's lie.

except said game (Super Stardust HD) never output 120fps for the player. it was, at best, 60fps per eye. and again, it was one game out of thousands, and the player never even saw 120fps.

one would have to be a sad and desperate fanboy to try and defend what Ken said, though, instead of just calling it what it was--PR hype.

[Tankbusta40]

During the Destiny beta people were getting scared that the leveling was too quickly and the game might be short.

In comes DEEJAY, Bungie spinster and over all loser who is their pr manager and claims that the beta has advanced leveling to give us a feel for the game and when it releases the game will take much longer to level up.

Game releases and leveling is the same... DEEJAY and Bungie are the worst offenders of the group

[MadMenX]

killzone and Alien Colonial Marines, were the biggest set ups ever

The gaming industry has learned a lot, dont show fake $hit.

[Relientk77]

I like Microsoft, Don Mattrick, and everything the Xbox One to begin with

just getting caught lying one lie after another. On a daily basis atleast seemed like it, geez

[MadLad]

30fps and black bars makes videogames "cinematic".

[MadLad]

What? You fanboys can't get over the fact that the developers of 1886 think you're idiots?

If you disagreed with my statement above, all that says is that you let developers treat you like idiots, acknowledge that, and lap it up.

A sad existence, if you ask me.

[ArtificiallyYours]

Gamingbolt = reason non gamers think gamers are scum-rung.

[dreamed]

I would say the biggest lies this gen are calling x1 & ps4 "next gen".....so far there no better than last gen.

ok textures are slightly better on x1/ps4 and we get the added bonus of service alerts and network outages every day...lol :( apart from the textures x1/ps4 are just 360/ps3 in a different plastic casing......imo of course.

I'm more than aware i'm probably in the minority with my opinion,and i dont mind admiting i regret buying these consoles,at least this early anyway.

They should get better in time i'm hoping,i just hope the publishers manage to start launching games a little bit less bug ridden.

Sometimes i wonder if i expected way to much from these consoles???.

What i was expecting with next gen was physics systems that 360/ps3 obviously had no chance of doing.
Interactivity like we've never seen(because kinect/ps move just dont cut it imo).

morpheus/hololens are pretty cool,combined with that crazy circular running machine will defo be something worth trying out,but thats a while off yet i'm sure.

Anyway like i said i expected more but maybe its coming????...hopefully so.

[cl1983]

While I agree we didn't have the dramatic change in resolution, it is the next generation. It's just like car model years each year doesn't mean the platform is dramatically changed, just that it's a different model.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Toy Story Graphics
Emotion Engine
Power of the Cell
Reality Synthesizer
4D Gaming
NeoGAF is an unbiased message board full of real gamers
Wii Killer
Halo Killer
Future Proof
Playstation / Xbox / Nintendo Family sales reports
PS3 10 Year Life Cycle
"That's real gameplay everyone is seeing out there."
Native Full HD 1080p Gaming @ 60fps
Super Charged PC

[Bennibop]

Microsoft and ubisoft features very heavy in that article, I forgot about of those.

[PurpHerbison]

How about every time they say a game is running at 30FPS?

[gamer7804]

honestly, "flipping a switch" the major was right. There wasn't some on off switch. multiple lines of codes in many areas probably had to be switched out. Then hours spent in QA testing to make sure it operated properly. Its frustrating when people try to call him out on this, when he was just trying to help be clear voice in a muddled marketing period for xbox. Thankfully they seem to be getting much better at this now.

[susanto1228]

thanks for the heads up

[Neo_Zeed]

Xbone DRM being gone is a drastically huge lie as was Kinect being mandatory.

I get it that it's not easy to remove the DRM because it was so central to their plans for the future. What's worse is them PRETENDING it's gone. For DRM to rear it's head again recently after it's supposedly gone is complete and utter BS.

[garyanderson]

A number of those entries were pretty lame. Downloaded adblocker just for the story.

[2pacalypsenow]

Ken Kutaragi is not a Game developer

[N2NOther]

Yeah. It wasn't a couple or months later after Major Nelson told Angry Joe they couldn't flip a switch. It was days.

[ilikepizza]

Too human for Xbox 360 was a mega let down as well.