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Can the Kinect-less Xbox One be more powerful than the PS4?

MWEB GameZone writes: "Since October, Microsoft has been giving developers access to an additional processing core on the Xbox One’s 8-core CPU. This basically means that the Xbox One now has access to more processing power [making] it more powerful than the PlayStation 4"

plut0nash3415d ago

Yes it was. There shouldn't have been anywhere near the attention and marketing spent on it.

decrypt3415d ago (Edited 3415d ago )

So much hooolala over which snail is faster lol. In the end both of them are about even.

@below

Well who really cares which is faster for all we are seeing one of them is doing 900p the other is doing 1080p(both being about 30fps), both are suffering from FPS drops. In the end its not whole of difference to debate over. Just pick the one who's games you prefer.

But yea when it comes to games PC really does win ;-) no console out there can match PC library.

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BobBelcher3415d ago

This comment is nothing short of truth. I'm not even a PC gamer and I can say this statement is true enough. Both consoles are still negotiating power in some form or fashion in order to produce the sort of quality in games that their consumers are demanding.

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plut0nash3415d ago

Does every debate have to hinge on 1080p? Yes 60fps / 1080p rocks. I have an issue with Kinect. Bought a 360 without kinect, bought a XBO without Kinect. Just no use for it.

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen3415d ago (Edited 3415d ago )

If this was an article about the Kinectless Xbox One, PS4, and the PC then comments about PC's superiority to gaming consoles would be relevant. Since the article or the topic of discussion has nothing to do with the PC, i'll just discuss the article.

This is the 3rd or 4th article posted on N4G that tries to question established facts. Yes the PS4 and the Xbox One are based on the same laptop architecture, but there are noticeable differences.

Flexible RAM
GPU compute units
and the PS4 has 2 separate 256MB processors that handle background processes, such as suspend/resume, rest mode, PlayGo, and Share Play.

It is an established fact that the PS4 is able to process and render graphics faster than the Xbox One. Gddr5 and a 1152 core GPU (GPU has 18 compute units with 64 cores per CU) were designed specifically for video games, not apps, chat, or television.

The only way that the Xbox One will surpass the PS4 in terms of performance is if the Xbox One doubles it's Esram and gets a new GPU.

And to the PC trolls, no one cares that the PC is superior to consoles, the problem with PC's is that they don't have any games that appeal to a broader audience.

News4Noobs-3415d ago

@TankCrossing the only problem with what you said is that Sony also have the games not just the hardware :) and about the powah it is often used to compare it with CONSOLES, not platforms.
While the ps4 lacks power against the PC only. The xbox lacks power and games, and the PC also lacks of new exclusive games. You know in a world of gaming maybe you need the games to look pretty, but most importantly the games... Yes I know PC has a lot of games, so does ps2, ps1, n64... but we are talking about new AAA games that if you own a gaming PC you won't be able to enjoy those games.

Anyways on topic: Answer to the article is NO. People need to wake up, and stop dreaming about that one day it will be as powerful as the PS4... just like PS4 will never be as powerful as high-end pc. Just like Wii U won't be as powerful as the X1. Deal with it. By this time Xbox owners should be more concerned about microsoft bringing them games instead of cashing all that money in DLC and timed exclusive just like they were doing for a few years... and I don't think they will change because they are just want to blind people for the first years and keep promising bur nothing else. We already seeing it, instead of investing in new games.... Tom Rider...

the only problem with xbox fanboys is that they will accept anything microsoft throws at them

Perjoss3415d ago

@FriedGoat

Triple A games are not what they used to be, no risk taking, no fresh ideas, its just a bunch of sequels and rehashed ideas with higher res textures. Nothing has ever come close to the PC when it comes to sheer diversity.

FriedGoat3415d ago

@Perjoss,

Diversity in old games and low budget indies?

You forget, I've been gaming on PC since the beginning, diversity gets old. Good games don't.

IF you compare the quality of good games from the X360 and PS3 that haven't appeared on the PC in the last 10 years and the ones on PC that didn't appear on consoles. The consoles blow the PC out of the water.

I have nothing to gain from arguing about the PC's lack of decent games, I have several PC's. I could build a small house out of old graphics cards.

SilentNegotiator3415d ago

Don't you ever get tired about bragging that your little PC is more powerful than ≤$400 consoles?

CloudRap3415d ago (Edited 3415d ago )

This is just fantastic,a bunch of grown ass men arguing over which piece of plastic is more "powerful" to supplement their fragile egos.
Another wonderful day at N4g...
(grabs popcorn)

Cindy-rella3415d ago (Edited 3415d ago )

Lol. The specs of the ps4 and the xbox one are easy to look up on the internet. Ps4 is way more powerful than the xbox one and nothing will change that. No amount of optimization of software for xbox one will ever make it equal to the ps4. The only thing that can happen is for developers not utilizing ps4 power properly and have xbox one versions of a game equal to the ps4.

Whenever a game looks the same on ps4 and xbox one thats not really a good thing to me because it shows that the developers werent trying their best to utilize the hardware power of each console properly. The game itself is now suspect if its suppose to be a AAA game because if they didn't try their best to utilize the consoles power you have to wonder what other cutbacks were there

NatureOfLogic_3415d ago

Ironically, we see more power article for the Xbox One which is the weaker console.

2v13415d ago

you are right in your comment ..i thinking getting a nice gaming laptop or even both xboxone and the gaming laptop kinda saturate of ps4 atm.

ShottyGibs3414d ago

So true. Both these consoles at the end of the day are about as powerful as each other. PS4 fanboy's need to stop trying to rub it in X1's face. The PS4 is running most games at 30fps and is hardly anything to brag about.

Neither console is hitting the mark this gen. They are both under powered. So just get the games you like and stop winging. Fanboy's are fighting over crumbs.

XBLSkull3414d ago

They really are just about equal. Both have advantages in different areas and most multiplatform games are nearing parity on both systems and exclusives are looking great on both platforms. Truth is X1 with kinect has same power as X1 without so I'm not sure what the article is getting at because every X1 is capable of playing the same games unless kinect is required for the game, its not like X1 without kinect has better visual fidelity.

This website inherently is pro-PS4 though so you will always get "PS4 GPU is more powerful than the X1's, CPU doesn't mean anything, and PC power isn't allowed to be factored in because we are way outclassed."

I play all those platforms and for me it is X1>PC>PS4. I got a pimped out gaming rig but I buy almost everything on X1. If it is a top notch visual PC game or PC exclusive then I'll buy that. I play PS4 purely for the games I can't get anywhere else and that appeal to me. They are rare, and I own nothing for PS4 right now except Last of Us cause I didn't buy it last gen (solid game but most over-rated-over-hyped game I have ever played).

Looking forward to Bloodborne, Batman, Witcher, Uncharted, Halo, Starcraft, Division, Rainbow 6, Silent Hills, hopefully Battlefront and maybe H1Z1 if it turns out well - oh yeah and everything the ARMA 3 community puts out. 2015 will be an incredible year for gaming.

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sensor213415d ago

They should of just sold it separately from the gate.if the kinect is limited to voice commands and Skype im cool with that.

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BallsEye3415d ago (Edited 3415d ago )

You all gonna cry you didn't take kinect bundle once VR will come out. FYI VR can not work without such camera. Even Morpheus on ps4 requires ps eye to work. Anyway, using kinect every single day, mainly for recognition and voice control. Pretty cool xbox knows who to sign in simply by using kinect. It also sees who is holding the controller so if I pause my game, go away for a while and my kid will grab the controller, he won't mess up the game cause kinect will recognize it's not me. There is tons of small useful things like that. Thanks to kinect 2.0 it really feels like a next-gen experience. If I'd just want better graphics I'd game on my monster PC. New ways of interaction and immersion is the future. I remember how back in the day, when touch screens started to appear, everyone were b!tching it's crap, it's gimmick and everyone prefer buttons...I was one of those people. Now I can't imagine going back to tens of physical buttons on my phone.

fr0sty3415d ago

You're going to cry when you realize that Xbox One already struggles to render one HD frame at a decent framerate, and will struggle even harder to render the 2 needed at a fast framerate which will be required for VR.

BeefCurtains3415d ago

I agree, while kinect isn't some AMAZING thing that's Soooo futuristic, it has a ton of great little features. I would never trade in my X1 for a kinectless version and a $100 refund, it was well worth it for me. It isn't utilized to its potential yet, but for the things it does do, I really enjoy having it.

The PS4 is a beast console, the X1 has some great features, the PC will always have the graphical upper hand... Why can't we all just pick the gaming device we like, and talk about great games?

I think this generation has been a great eye opener that developers listened to whiny gamers and focused too much on 1080p and 60fps, while forgetting to put out great games.... I'm still waiting for something to really stand out this generation...

fr0sty3415d ago

The significantly weaker GPU and much slower bandwidth RAM say no.

BeefCurtains3415d ago

Significant? Come on, drop the anti Microsoft campaign for a minute.

It is more powerful for sure, and multiplats have looked somewhat better on PS4, but for the most part, they look and play the same. Drop the graphical comparison, we've beat that horse to death, PS4 has a better GPU, that can't be changed... What we need is to demand higher quality content from developers.

fr0sty3415d ago (Edited 3415d ago )

The GPU is a significant amount higher powered. As is the memory bandwidth. Unless you consider double this number or triple that to be insignificant. However, I made no mention of other components, like the CPU, that limit both consoles to hit a ceiling that is usually just a 30-50% jump in resolution or framerate between the two, so my point still stands. The article asked if the Xbox One with any amount of its cores being freed up could be more powerful than a PS4, which it cannot. It can't even be as powerful, as the hardware simply isn't strong enough to do it.

marcofdeath3414d ago (Edited 3414d ago )

A people watch this!
1.Post a up to date source that tells you PS4's memory system in detail?
He will post a vague article based on hearsay Based on old not current information.

2. Post a source from Sony that tells you it's specifications for its memory system as a direct connection to link 1?

He will not.....

My turn.
1. PS4 @ 256bits x 5500GHZ /8bytes = 176GB/s PECK.
From here page 12 here
http://develop.scee.net/fil...

2. PS4 @ 256bits x 5500GHZ /8bytes = 176GB/s is systems total bandwidth. You can see that here page 13 note "CPU bandwidth reduces GPU disproportionately", So real world bandwidth is only 140GB/s.
I know that this is painful for you to see, but many websites have contacted Sony for clarification Sony has only responded with the comment of its on our site.
NOTE it's from SCEE.net

Here's more about PS4 so-called more powerful memory system.

Page 141 show you that PS4's L1 to cpu in cycles.
PS4 L1 3 cycles.
PS4 L2 20+ cycles
From leaked SDK and here http://www.vgleaks.com/dura...
XB1 L1 3 cycles.
XB1 L2 17 cycles.

I will not do all the math here but as it stands now.
XB1 190 - 200GB/s to GPU real-world
From SDK and here, http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
PS4 140GB/s to GPU real-world

Now that's all done and backed up with credible sources Sony or Microsoft engineers. the haters who don't like the obvious facts, will reply with stuff like " He is a lackey from another website" or "don't listen to them because I say so", or they answer with a non-direct source please stop. You have been led astray.

I challenge you, post with facts not hearsay, not with developers saying it's 176 GB of second and never answering the big elephant in the room is that peak or are they real world.
Here is the BS list from SFBs.
1.ESRAM is too small to make an impact.
Learn why that's not true here; leaked SDK or
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
2.Xbox one CPU works just like Sony's PS4.
wrong find out why here: (Micro ops) leaked SDK
3.XB1 GPU is only 256bits like PS4., wrong here:
leaked SDK, http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
stop listening to people who don't want to tell you the facts make them show you and then you do your homework people.

jden283414d ago

You know whats wrong with your argument....the same thing thats wrong with all these copy and paste PS4>X1 arguments from you arm chair developers that can read partial specs but don't have actual access to detailed schematics and wouldn't understand them anyway.

X1 is that it's complicated to program for because you have to do massive amounts of memory management. So here are some actual hardware numbers for you.
X1 47MB Cache ............... PS4 16MB Cache(Must go to main memory 3X more often than X1)(There have yet to be any updates to this system)
1.75Ghz CPU ............... PS4 1.6Ghz CPU(CPU dependent tasks will run better on X1 i.e. AI, physics, weather)
277Gbs System bandwidth.. PS4 176Gbs GDDR5(X1 has a theoretical limit of 109+109+68 for it's system bandwith. Already reported averaging about 150 Gbs before the updates to this system)
15 Co-processors ............... PS4 1(I bet you didn't know that dynamic sound uses 15-20% of CPU power did you...X1 has dedicated hardware to take care of this without taking the hit 8 dedicated Co-processors)

My point is that a CONSOLE is the complete sum of ALL of its parts Not just its CPU & GPU. That is whats different about these two consoles. PS4 puts over 90% of its power on just the CPU & GPU while less than 65% of X1's power is on those TWO main processors.

fr0sty3414d ago (Edited 3414d ago )

I don't need to bother quoting any articles... I have real world results on my side. PS4 has consistently outperformed Xbox One since launch, end of story. The box isn't as powerful and never will be. Any advantages it does have are bottlenecked into non-existence by the ESRAM and slow memory bandwidth, not even mentioning the 50% fewer compute cores, or the fact that it has half the render output pipelines, fewer texture units, far fewer ACE's for GPGPU tasks, etc...

You fanboys have been grasping at straws and kicking at the dead horse for months... and yet time after time, with each new game release, you are proven wrong. Sometimes your own company needs to come out and set your delusions straight, such as with the DX12 mess. Where's all that cloud power, btw? Running the game at 40-50% less resolution or framerate definitely isn't it.

By the way, about that thing about PS4 lacking a sound coprocessor...

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

And the advantages of GDDR5 with audio:

“Audio deals with large amounts of raw compressed sound information. The faster memory bandwidth is, the less cycles it takes to read and decompress audio data. There is certainly a benefit, because unintuitively, less compressed information can consume CPU more times to manipulate than highly compressed data, because there is more data to transfer.

“Higher bitrates in MP3 for example can now be used at the cost of more memory being used, but without the overhead of the bandwidth stalls.”

Read more at http://gamingbolt.com/yet-a...

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2v13415d ago

thats not the question ...yes it has a more powersful momentum.

aragon3414d ago

Can silly journalists stop posting flamebait articles with retarded headlines? That should be the title of article.. Noo the x1 will never be more powerful than the ps4.. dont we all know that by now?????

Gamer19823414d ago

To answer the question you have to understand how a core works. To answer the question its a big fat NO. Kinect is holding the console back but not enough to let PS4 jump ahead so much the GPU on the PS4 is making the differnce along with that RAM. That GPU is made for GDDR5 as is GDDR5 made for games. It's as simple as that.

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Askanison43415d ago

Gotta disagree. I use mine daily for TV. Granted, I haven't once used it for games but it is extremely useful as a navigation tool.

lord zaid3415d ago

But thats the problem right there. Its bad allocation of resources. They prioritised a secondary function over a primary. Would you rather have voice commands over better performing games?

Askanison43415d ago

Eh - my games perform well enough. I'm playing through (patched) AC:U at the minute and I don't see any issues with performance.

As for it being a secondary function - I'd say my Xbox is used for TV more than games at the minute since it's the primary TV box in my living room.

Hellsvacancy3415d ago

"I haven't once used it for games"

Then one comment later

"Eh - my games perform well enough. I'm playing through (patched) AC:U at the minute"

In other words your full of bs

Volkama3415d ago

He hasn't used the kinect for games.
He has used the Xbox for games.

It isn't that hard to follow....

dodgemoose3415d ago

He's obviously refering to Kinect...

Hellsvacancy3415d ago (Edited 3415d ago )

Apologies for my mistake, it happens

lemoncake3415d ago

Great job quoting out of context, from the full quote it's obvious he is talking about the xbox performance not kinnect,

"Eh - my games perform well enough. I'm playing through (patched) AC:U at the minute and I don't see any issues with performance."

Askanison43415d ago

Woah so quick to jump down my throat. Nice.

Yes, I was referring to Kinect.

I've actively turned it off in games (FIFA for one) and can't think of any I've actually used it.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love a game that used it well.

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neocores3415d ago

No it wont man lol. The xbox will always be under powered with the specs it has. You can dislike all you want but its the truth

TimeSkipLuffy3415d ago

I prefer playing on my PS4 because I'm a PlayStation fan but I think both consoles deliver enough power to make games fun. For me it was never about hardware. I decided to go with PS4 because of Uncharted, One Piece and other games. The same I play Wii U because Jump'n'Run/Kart king are still Mario games for me. No need to have high end graphic for a game to be fun.

Volkama3415d ago (Edited 3415d ago )

What is One Piece?

Edit for the disagree: TimeSkipLuffy cites One Piece as something he is looking forward to. I have never heard of it. I am curious about what it is.

A quick google suggests a Norwegian Onesie, or (more likely) something Anime-related. Either one is more interesting than a console pissing match.

pelida3415d ago

"What's a One Piece?": A Kinectless Xbone

nitus103415d ago

@Volkama

You don't know what One piece is? well here is the link to the Manga wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Of course there is an Anime (678 episodes and counting) as well and the games (over 30) are also fairly popular.

I hope this info has restored your "Otaku" credentials :-)

HeMan763415d ago (Edited 3415d ago )

XO is not weaker than the Ps4.It has just more complex structure than PS4.PS4 is a pan cake for devs to code while XO is pain in the ass.The dx12 will unlock more resources on the hardware and wil make it easier to be able to code.

More Numbers on the papers not always a proof of a component's being more powerful.gtx780ti has 2.880 shaders and more rops than gtx980 (2048 shaders) but the gtx980 outperforming it easily.The same can be said for Intel and AMD CPUs.The reason is architecture.The XO and The PS4 has Sea Island based custom architectures.They are not the same things as we can see from the most recent news.

Deny it or not it has been confirmed by devs that the dx11 API not allowing the hardware work efficiently better say not letting to use all of the components because the dx11 API doesnt have the features to use them.dx12 will unleash all the components in this structure to be able to use then we will see which one is more powerful.

@Infected

I dont think you have some idea about hardware.You cant say the PS4 has a more powerful GPU.We still dont know the actual performance of XO GPU because it has not been used with a proper API till now.(gave an example above).Did you know till yesterday that the XO has 8 grfx contexts? No you dont.Saying the GPU makes the games look better not the CPU is a false statement because the GPU makes it prettier as long as the CPU allows it.If you push the GPU till its limits and if the CPU can not respond it,you need to re draw your borders.We all know that the ps4'S CPU is not a beast(XO's as well but better than ps4'S) and been confirmed by Sony'S first party studios who claimed several time the CPU is a bottleneck.

the dx12 reducing CPU usage over %50 according to AMD and MS has Cloud to offload some CPU processes like A.I and physics.A.I type already being used on FMS5,FH2,Titanfall and Crackdown carrying it in to another level by using physics.

You cant easily say the one is more powerul than the other one because we still dont know what realy both have inside those boxes.

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stuna13415d ago

"By the power of Grey Skull", you're wrong!

Allsystemgamer3415d ago

Just stop with the cloud. STOP. It's embarrassing. I own an x1 ps4 wii u and pc. Just stop trying to make one seem better because it's YOUR console. The X1 IS weaker than the ps4. Wii u is weaker than both and pc is potentially more powerful than all. Those are just the facts. Live with it. Any simpleton who can use Google could tell you the same info straight from each company.

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen3415d ago

You have no idea what you're talking about. If you are developing video games or in a position that requires maintenance of hardware or software programming, you should be demoted to help desk support immediately.

Mechanism3415d ago

You my 38 year old friend, are utterly INSANE.

Get back to your misterx forums and stay there.. It's like shutter island over there.

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DigitalRaptor3414d ago (Edited 3414d ago )

Doesn't it speak volumes that you're the ONLY Xbox fanboy in here peddling the delusional crap? Even your Xbox fanboy troll friends like Illusive_Man and DougLord below have admitted that the answer is a firm "NO". I once thought that those guys were beyond help, but at least they can admit the obvious.

It's one thing to say that DX12 will help the Xbone's performance. It's another thing to claim it will bring it up to par with PS4, and then it's another thing to say that it will "stomp" the PS4.

You seem to actually believe the latter 2 of those, and it's based on absolutely no facts. You say you aren't a MisterX follower, but you might as well be. Shaders and ROPs are not the only specs that define a piece of hardware. PS4 swiftly outpaces Xbone hardware specs across all aspects except probably the CPU. There is no "catching up", not when games become more and more complex over the course of a generation.

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OB1Biker3415d ago (Edited 3415d ago )

The article is a joke playing on fans ego.. The author admits he knows f all anyway. (I dont know much either mind you but also can read)
Plus CPU slight differences wont make one or the other console 'more powerful'
Like in the Eurogamer article reported moving CPU tasks to GPU is the new gen consoles future
http://images.eurogamer.net...

DonFreezer3415d ago

We do we care about specs?Even if the ps4 is 50% more powerful it doesn't matter. The first Xbox was 200% more powerful but still lost. http://wars.locopuyo.com/cw...
If specs mattered the original Xbox should have crashed the ps2. And didn't you see xbox fanboys cry about parity when most multiplats were downgraded to fit the ps2s quite inferior hardware.

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HanCilliers3415d ago

Not sure if the Xbox One will in fact outperform the PS4, it's not even equal as is. On the other hand, MS has shown in 2014 that they shouldn't be underestimated, so we'll see.

badz1493415d ago

can a GTX970 be more powerful than GTX980? if the answer is yes, so...anything can happen!...I guess.

Maxor3415d ago

A 970 GTX can be OCed like crazy. The Xbox...not so much.

dRanzer3415d ago

Finally someone with a brain

and why pepole think that sony will not improve sofware to do hardware more effective?

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More Job Losses At Xbox, “There’s More To Come”: Paul Thurrott

Paul Thurrott in a recent episode commented on the on-going Microsoft fiasco hinting at more job losses and that "there's more to come".

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Sonic188121h ago(Edited 21h ago)

There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future . Xbox has to pay Microsoft back. It might take two decades to do that.

sagapo18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

I don’t understand what you’re saying. Xbox IS microsoft so there’s no “paying back “.
And MS gross profit in 2023 was over 140 billion dollars so forget your 2 decades.

Unless you mean the money MS invested in Xbox (acquisitions included) and the time it will take for xbox as a brand to gain that money back on it’s own, then yeah, that could take a while.

romulus2311h ago

The better term to use might be return on investment, xbox is simply a division of Microsoft one that MS can easily do away with if profit margins are not met. So in that regard he's right, if xbox isn't showing the expected return on investment the higher ups are expecting than it's unlikely Microsoft will acquire any other studios any time soon, especially if they are spending billions buying developers just to shut them down in the end.

MrBaskerville4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

Xbox is a division that they discussed shutting down but doubled down on after Gamepass was pitched.

It needs to make money at some point. Big money.

rokos2h ago

According to Statista the net income of Microsoft is about $72.4 billion dollars which is a bit lower than last year profit. That is almost as much as Activision's acquisition but I assume that would be a one off since it costs so much plus I see how their focus has been shifted to AI, thus any major future investments will probably be in that area.

Markusb331h ago

i think you are really missing the point

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SonyStyled17h ago

“There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future”

No bro, there do be is for Microsoft not acquiring for what is now if not what it be is 😂

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ChasterMies5h ago

Xbox isn’t a separate company from Microsoft. It’s all Microsoft.

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jwillj2k421h ago

There really needs to be a class action lawsuit here. You buy these companies just to put people out of jobs. And it’s not like something happened to derail their plans this WAS the plan. Microsoft has no business in this space at all.

franwex20h ago(Edited 20h ago)

Microsoft has been doing this for years. They simply want the IPs. Look at Nokia. Look at Skype. This time it simply expanded to games. Gaming is not as important to Microsoft’s executives as it was to the founders too. Bill Gates was willing to sell the og Xbox at a loss. Steve Balmer approved the red ring of death fiasco. This CEO isn’t really a gamer.

-Foxtrot19h ago

Maybe it's time though to put a stop to it and use a big giant like Microsoft as a huge example to the rest of these big companies.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere.

People like the FTC and the like went against Microsoft yet their Actvision deal was still allowed to go through yet look what's happened...it's not even Acitivisions studios aswell, it's Bethesdas.

Jon6158643m ago

You do realize this happens in ALL industries? Or are you just saying this because it is Microsoft? In any case I feel for those that are being let go but the trch industry is suffering right now.

RNTody20h ago

Ninja Theory, Perfect Dark, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Wolfenstein 3, Dishonored, Prey, Doom, Quake... something tells me that bad things are going to happen to these entities under Microsoft.

MrDead9h ago

ID software, the makers of Doom and Wolfenstein that have been with us since 1991 could be gone and MS will keep the IPs.

I hope some of these studios can buy their freedom from MS otherwise this is going to be even more devastating for the industry and gamers.

Yui_Suzumiya7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

That's exactly what I'm worried about. I've been a fan of id since Wolfenstein 3D and I'm honestly afraid.

lodossrage3h ago

Toys for Bob saw the writing on the wall and bought themselves out.

Wouldn't be the first time a company did that under MS either. Bungie and Twisted Pixel did the same. Considering what just happened, I can see some other devs trying to buy themselves out too.

anast19h ago

Good thing the bosses of all those small studios made their money.

glenn197919h ago

they cant do it right now they will get burned

XiNatsuDragnel10h ago

Phil and his team need to be gone

lodossrage3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

Won't make a difference.

The whole structure needs to be overhauled. Anyone that replaces Phil will be no different than him, Mattrick, or anyone else.

Until the company changes how they go about business, nothing will change

glenn197922m ago

I just don't have any idea what they would do , they have done sooo much damage on their xbox brand, they have a show at July or June I think, but will it even matter even they show amazing games, idkn

lodossrage3h ago

True,

But they may as well get it over with. Whether it happens now or later, the burning is going to hit the same.

Reality is the ONE move that can alleviate a lot of this is the one move they can't make. Remove day 1 from gamepass.

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Microsoft Opening Xbox Mobile Game Store in July

The Xbox brand is expanding, as an Xbox mobile game store is opening this coming July where Microsoft will brings its "first-party portfolio."

Jin_Sakai2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

“Bond adds that they will start on the web”

This will go nowhere.

Nice knowing you Xbox. This is what happens when the house never gets cleaned.

MrDead2d ago

The only this MS is expanding is the amount of feculence it sprays on everyone who just want to enjoy gaming and make games.

The best thing MS can do for the gaming industry is leave and never return.

XiNatsuDragnel2d ago

Good luck with this even it might not succeed.

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Microsoft once tried to nab LittleBigPlanet from Sony after a few drinks

It turns out that many moons ago, Microsoft once had its eye on the Sony published LittleBigPlanet series.

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XiNatsuDragnel3d ago

Microsoft had a good idea but fumbled it again.

Cacabunga1d 22h ago (Edited 1d 22h ago )

Project Spark idea was decent but they quickly gave up ..
LBP was wonderful

ApocalypseShadow2d ago

Microsoft in a nutshell. Always tried to poach Sony employees, games, 3rd party games and devices like the depth camera that was turned into Kinect but was running on PS2 before Xbox 360. Wouldn't be surprised they wanted LBP. Just like they worked behind the scenes pushing the MLB to bring Sony's baseball game to Xbox instead of making their own.
https://www.playstationlife...

They didn't spend years trying to develop their own baseball game. They wanted Sony's game.

They're scum.

Zachmo1821d 21h ago

Microsoft didn't force MLB on Xbox. MLB gave Sony 2 options either go multiplat or risk losing the license.

Rynxie1d 11h ago

And why do you think MLB said that? I believe Ms approached MLB.

ApocalypseShadow1d 10h ago (Edited 1d 10h ago )

Totally ridiculous comment.

The only exclusivity Sony had was to their own creation of The Show. Microsoft could have paid the MLB for the license just like Sony did and made their own baseball game.

Microsoft instead, groomed MLB for years in trying to poach Sony's game and bring it to Xbox. They're worth 3 TRILLION dollars. You think that's not enough money to make their own baseball game? Don't be delusional.

Microsoft spun it like they always do and told the media that they had to trust Sony with their hardware. After they put Sony in that position of not having a choice. Either go multiplatform or stop making one of their successful games. That's a no win scenario.

And what did Microsoft do? They didn't try to sell the game to the Xbox community. They put it on game pass to hurt Sony. Pushing the idea of why buy games that are $70 when you can play them in their cheap service for $10. It was a dirty tactic.

You fell for the Kool aid drink Microsoft served you instead of spitting it out. Hope it tasted good because you were fooled by Phil and the gang.

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Hereandthere1d 2h ago

Xbox executive Sara Bond has told Axios that Microsoft spent a number of years trying to get MLB The Show onto Xbox consoles. And when it finally succeeded in breaking off PlayStation’s long-held exclusivity, the company had to “trust” Sony with pre-release Xbox Series X/S consoles.

Bond revealed that MLB The Show “always came up” in conversations between Microsoft and the Major League Baseball organization. “We always said, ‘We love this game. It would be a huge opportunity to bring it to Xbox.'” she recalled. However, when Microsoft’s efforts materialized, it put the company in an awkward situation where it had to send in pre-release consoles to a rival company.

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Notellin1d 7h ago

"Microsoft instead, groomed MLB for years in trying to poach Sony's game and bring it to Xbox."

Take a nap, conspiracies are rotting your brain.

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Hereandthere1d 2h ago

Xbox executive Sara Bond has told Axios that Microsoft spent a number of years trying to get MLB The Show onto Xbox consoles. And when it finally succeeded in breaking off PlayStation’s long-held exclusivity, the company had to “trust” Sony with pre-release Xbox Series X/S consoles.

ApocalypseShadow12h ago

Lying to yourself is unbecoming.

Article link tells you all you need to know in Sarah Bond's own words.

Hereandthere1d 2h ago

They were too cheap/inept/lazy to develop their own mlb game, so they port begged for years and bribed the mlb to make the show multiplatform. Like i said many times, xbox brought nothing to the table their 24 years, ZERO.

ApocalypseShadow12h ago

At least you and others get it. Note drank the Kool aid and asked for seconds thinking it was refreshing.

Most don't even know how it all played out but it's there in black and white for all to see. Microsoft brought it up for years until the MLB forced Sony's hand. It was a win win for Microsoft. Kill one reason to buy a PlayStation or kill the game by dropping it in a cheap service to kill Sony's sales numbers on PlayStation.

OtterX1d 23h ago

"However, Healey said Media Molecule wouldn't have felt right doing that, adding it would have been "morally corrupt"."

Major kudos to Media Molecule for being an upright studio with principles.

Cockney7h ago

They chose well, Sony gave them the backing to pursue their dreams with no restrictions even tho their games especially dreams have very niche appeal. Media molecule and Sony deserve respect for this in an age of risk averse publishing.

RNTody1d 23h ago (Edited 1d 23h ago )

Great, more stories like this please. Show the last of the zombies holding the line what we've been saying for years: Microsoft is anti competition, anti industry and has no interest in making games at all.

But hey, at least there's an Xbox Games Showcase to look forward to, right?

Inverno1d 22h ago

Well considering SONY just killed the series, LBP would've been dead by now either way. Though MM probably wouldn't exist by now either, so I'm glad they stayed with SONY, hopefully they don't get shut down any time soon or ever honestly.

Sheppard7t31d 21h ago

How did Sony kill the series?

Inverno1d 20h ago

They shut down the servers, that's millions of user created levels gone. That and dead are pretty much the same, it's also been years since 3 and they cancelled HUB soooo.

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fsfsxii1d 7h ago

They shutdown the servers because no one was playing, no one in the community cared about the user created levels so why keep them up? Wtf you guys would never succeed in running a business.

Inverno1d 6h ago

Yea dood no one was playing so they shut off the servers. Cause people with enough common sense can't just Google why they were actually shut of, right?

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