Lords of the Fallen Is Better Than Dark Souls 2; Sorry, Fanboys

NoobFeed writes: "Game of the Year lists have rolled in and a fair few will have likely mentioned Dark Souls 2 in some sense. It is an easy top ten participant after all. Yet, Lords of the Fallen won’t be given the same credit, despite it essentially being a clone of the former. There’s a reason for that."

[kaiserfranz]

I agree!

[thekhurg]

Lords of the fallen is my game of the year.

[theshonen8899]

The author clearly doesn't get the point of the Souls series.

There is a subtlety to the Souls lore that makes it different from most games. Games like Diablo 2 that don't repeatedly hammer in the story via canned voice acting but rely on environments and atmosphere to show depth and detail. Dark Souls doesn't tell you who you are or what to know, you need to go out and discover it yourself.

[mechlord]

@theshonen8899

Well, the story thing is just one part of it all.
What the OP said is actually true. The game doesn't tell you nothing and what you say proves that. Not saying nothing is very different from hand holding.

I feel DaSo 1/2 are unoriginal, don't improve much over DeSo, which is bad.
Lords of the fallen has its troubles but it actually adds something: now not only we die a lot, but we can manage it and use to a better advantage.

Now, i love the soul series, Demon's still is the best for me, but i can see these little nuances that make Lords Of the Fallen better than DaSo 2 (IMFHO)

[joab777]

No offense and disrespect but the author just doesn't like or understand the souls formula. That doesn't make it a worse game. It makes it different than most other games, and why so many like myself love them.

It isn't needless death (most the time). You learn, you get better, you conquer. To be honest DS2 main campaign was too easy I thought. To be honest, they are all very manageable if you put in the time...and I'm no video game extrordinaire.

And I love the lack of info etc. There is much to learn and tons of lore but it's learned within the community. This is one of my favorite things about it.

[doritos]

That's one thing I hate about the souls and destiny, you have to go to websites to learn anything. Should be in the game, period.

[LAWSON72]

@Doritos

In other words if I don't like the way DkS2 tells it's lore, it is wrong and needs to be corrected.

You don't understand DkS just don't talk about it. This guy tells why he likes, and he has a great point. Imagination is the limit and creative people help make others picture the cryptic DkS world differently. It is it's charm, not some problem that ruins the game. Just play something else.

[Dhampir]

Everything is in the game. Only reason you would have to go outside the game is if you need someone to explain it to you. Dark/Demon souls tells it's story more like a painting, with clues thrown in item descriptions.

[Big_Game_Hunters]

No one is talking about the story, they are talking about lack of information. as the author states people think not giving appropriate information makes the game hard, but in fact it just makes the game tedious. That is 70% of dark souls "difficulty" ,tedious artificial difficulty. I mean seriously no pause option even offline, that has to be one of the dumbest attempts to make a game difficult ive ever seen.

I want a game that is difficult because every enemy encounter is a challenge, not one that starves you of healing items and checkpoints in between. Good difficulty is good level design, dark souls "difficulty" is don't tell you where to go even though there is nothing truly difficult about the level design. I still like the souls games but their difficulty is greatly exagerated.

now does this make LOTF better? idk ive never played LOTF.

[pompous]

Hey doritos, that's how games used to be, you find the lore and stuff through exploration, not this hand holding, incompetent gamer syndrome these new games have. Games should be about figuring stuff out on your own still, but I honestly think these newer gamers don't have the mental capacity nor the iq to handle games like that anymore since they get spoon feed from virtually everywhere in life.

[DragonKnight]

LOTF absolutely sucks in comparison to any of the Souls games. It's clunky, slow, and with far more cheap deaths than can be counted.

Dark Souls 2 may not be the best in the series, but it eclipses LOTF in every way. But hey, if you need a game to hold your hand because you can't figure things out through the ancient and now seemingly forgotten practice known as Trial and Error, then LOTF is the perfect game for delicate flowers to play.

[spacedelete]

troll bait article is troll bait. why even have the word fanboy in a article's title ? this is why gaming is seen as a childish hobby with people like that calling other people fanboys.

[Big_Game_Hunters]

Although ive yet to play LOTF, the article is an excellent criticism to the souls franchise. everything mentioned was on point.

[DragonKnight]

No it wasn't. This was an article written by a person who needs their hand held, who probably couldn't get passed the first boss, and is whining because he sucks. Saying "Prepare to Die" isn't an "anti-player" sentiment designed to keep people from playing the game, it's the motto of the game and the base element of the story. You HAVE to die because that's part of what's wrong with the whole game world.

This article is written by a terrible player who glosses over LOTF's worst flaws like absolutely atrocious hitboxes, weapons slower than a sloth, clunky controls, etc...

Nothing this guy said was on point, and bitching about the lack of Pause? Really? QQ

[Big_Game_Hunters]

@Dragon knight
and there you go reinforcing the stereotype mentioned in the article. Anyone with a valid complaint of the souls series gets shot down by over defensive people saying things like"he probably hasn't beaten the first boss" "he wants landholding".

having an option to go to the bathroom during gameplay is "hand holding"? unless your game is some kind of maze puzzle game, there is nothing wrong with being told where to go. Sorry if i prefer actual hard game play over over being lost in awful level design.

I like the souls games, they aren't bad games. But too many people hype them up to be the most difficult game on the planet. Here is the truth of it for me. I don't play single player games for difficulty. I do enjoy and prefer a fun challenge and trophy hunting/unlocking extras ect, but no game will ever challenge me like a good match of SC2 or DOTA2, or even Smash bros online. Its hard to take all this "prepare to die" nonsense seriously when the real challenges are online vs people who aren't on a pattern, who aren't coded and predictable. I know DaS has pvp we both know that isn't what people are referring to when they say how "hard" the game is.

Also like i said, i haven't played LOTF so understand when i say his points are good i only mean his criticism of DaS not his accusation of LOTF being better.

[DragonKnight]

"and there you go reinforcing the stereotype mentioned in the article. Anyone with a valid complaint of the souls series gets shot down by over defensive people saying things like"he probably hasn't beaten the first boss" "he wants landholding"

There are no valid arguments in the article at all.

"having an option to go to the bathroom during gameplay is "hand holding"? unless your game is some kind of maze puzzle game, there is nothing wrong with being told where to go. Sorry if i prefer actual hard game play over over being lost in awful level design. "

Right, because there are no places in the game where you can rest and then go to the bathroom in real life. Oh wait, the game has a plethora of bonfires. Gee, it must be so hard to use a homeward bone isn't it? Being told where to go is for people who can't figure anything out for themselves. Dark Souls 2 is a semi-open world game, meaning there is no "correct" path to take. You go where you want to go and the areas themselves are fairly linear. Needing so much help is a sign that you suck at the game, that's just a fact. It's also a sign that you've never played games before they were immensely casualized. I mean there is only 1 place in all of Dark Souls 2 where you'd have an excuse, and that's The Gutter. And if you think Dark Souls 2 is "hard" because of getting lost in the levels, then you're really terrible at games.

"I like the souls games, they aren't bad games. But too many people hype them up to be the most difficult game on the planet. Here is the truth of it for me. I don't play single player games for difficulty. I do enjoy and prefer a fun challenge and trophy hunting/unlocking extras ect, but no game will ever challenge me like a good match of SC2 or DOTA2, or even Smash bros online. Its hard to take all this "prepare to die" nonsense seriously when the real challenges are online vs people who aren't on a pattern, who aren't coded and predictable. I know DaS has pvp we both know that isn't what people are referring to when they say how "hard" the game is."

So because you play single player games to have the game tell you where to go and how to play, Dark Souls is a "bad" and "overhyped" game because... why? You just said the game is hard and the same time not hard and then you try to remove the PvP from the series to further b**** about the nothing issues you have with the game. "Oh I like a challenge so I play online, but I don't play online in Dark Souls 2 so the game is hard because I don't know where to go." That's just pitiful.

"Also like i said, i haven't played LOTF so understand when i say his points are good i only mean his criticism of DaS not his accusation of LOTF being better."

Never mentioned anything about your opinion of his opinion on LOTF. His opinion on Dark Souls 2 is that of someone who can't play the game well and wants to cry about it. It's painfully obvious given his reasons for why the game is bad. There are much more legitimate and actual reasons why DkS2 is "bad" and none of them are in his article.

[Bebedora]

Forget this post. I messed up.

[Tito08]

Yeah, sure, a site name Noobfeed for incompetent flowers aka scrubs, sure thing, lol.

[JsonHenry]

I liked Lords of the Fallen. A lot! But I can't give it higher praise than Dark Souls 2. It was incredibly short, way too easy, and doesn't have that lonely and melancholy feel to the world that Souls has..

If I wanted an easier and prettier version of Dark Souls this game is it. Its fun, easier, MUCH better looking, and has a more detailed story without having to look for clues to backstory.

I guess I could see why some people would prefer it. But for me Souls wins hands down.

[TheXgamerLive]

I agree it's better while i disagree with the comparison. Similarities yes but 2 different games.

[Back-to-Back]

Why does the author say sorry Sony fanboys, when the game is multiplat. Looks like a typical click bate trash website

[Masterchief_thegoat]

stone cold voice what! ds2 got better review by sites and by gamers

[Roccetarius]

As much as people want to defend Dark Souls 2, it does feel like an arcade version of Souls games. It's a bad mix of Demon Souls and Dark Souls, throwing out proper level design that Dark Souls did. Not to mention it has cheaper moments than previous games.

Lords of the Fallen is not a shining example either. I don't think the story was that entertaining, nor the slow feel to the game.

[sin7279]

is not sorry journalist fanboys!

[Hellsvacancy]

Well, it'd decided then, just based on this one opinion, may we never discuss this topic again

"As it is written, so shall it be done"

I've not actually played Lords Of The Fallen yet, and as Dark Souls 2 is easily the lesser game in the Souls series I don't personally think DS2 is hard to trump

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

I have the game, dark souls 2 as well. I think dark souls 2 is the weakest souls game yet(minus the dlc, it was fantastic) however, Lords of the Fallen, isn't better. Sorry but, controls are way too floaty. Some enemies are beyond cheap, and the game is ridiculously short. My first playthrough was 4 hours. It took me almost 3 times as long to finish my first dark souls 2 playthrough.

So Dark Souls 2 is better than Lords of the Fallen, sorry terrible blogger dude.

[thekhurg]

Fours hours for first playthrough? Sorry you rushed and missed a bunch of stuff. Game offers alot of story and content you just have to find it within the game.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

Didn't skip shit. I beat all the bosses special kill requirements, did almost all the sidequests (maybe I missed one or two, I know I didn't do the one that involves finding symbols because it glitched out on me) and I fought every enemy I came by, went into every portal I found.

Just because I maybe missed an item or two doesn't mean I skipped content. Also, it honestly wasn't hard at all.

[InTheLab]

You shouldn't have to find way to extend play time....

With that said....I'll pick up LoF after I'm done with Dragon Age..

[Hellsvacancy]

I'm looking forward to playing the dlc for DS2, I skipped it on the PS3 KNOWING it will eventually be on the PS4

Glad I waited

[thekhurg]

Looking at your trophies, you didn't do everything. You didn't do all of the portals, you didn't find all of the secret rooms, hell I don't even see where you completed the game.

http://psnprofiles.com/trop...

@InTheLab

This isn't a case of "finding ways to extend play time" - this is simply playing the whole game. Bitching about it being short and not even completing the game - it's absurdly childish.

[DragonKnight]

It's still much shorter than Dark Souls 2, the controls are worse, the enemies are cheap, the hitboxes are awful.

[Ch1d0r1]

Great job of going out of your way to prove hes lying. You remind me of the first episode of Mark Maron where he tracks a Twitter troll offline.

[Aloren]

You should register on howlongtobeat then, since you beat the fastest time recorded there on any platform for LOTF by four and a half hour. Quite an achievement especially since you also tied the fastest time recorded for Dark Souls 2, out of ~450.

[Tapani]

I thought the first time playing Dark Souls 2 and the DLC through was more interesting than playing Dark Souls the first time. Demon's Souls beats them both, though. Exclusives are ALWAYS better than multiplats in my opinion.

Hopefully Bloodborne will be hardcore enough. Dark souls and Dark Souls 2 are different, but equally good in mood and design. Both have flaws, but both excel in what they do best. I respect both teams at From Software.

One thing is clear for me, however: Lords of the Fallen is NOT better than DS2.

[Veneno]

What a waste of time.

[eyeDEVOUR]

lmao.. this guy thinks ds2 is so hard that you have to be a perfectionist to beat it..hes either a scrub or he played offline(which can be harder) because he was to afraid of invasions... ds2 is easy compaired to ds1
His entire reasoning is flawed and unfounded

[DarXyde]

I don't agree with the author, but I always play Souls games offline the first time so that it is harder and there's no advice in terms of how to beat bosses from other players' messages or actions.

Definitely not a perfectionist game, you just need to adapt.

[DragonKnight]

DS2 is definitely the easiest game in the Souls series. Hell, Sen's Fortress in DS1 is harder than all of DS2.

[eyeDEVOUR]

Hell yeah, i agree... But i gotta say (for me atleast) that i thought the actual combat of my character in ds2 was alot better than in ds1, which is ashamed considering they totally fµ¢ked up the matchmaking system in ds2. And i think the bosses in ds1 are far more memorable and harder than ds2. ds2 did make some good improvements tho. id still be doing pvp(proper dueling that is) today if the matchmaking wasn't so jacked up, im hoping that will be fixed when they relaunch the game in a few months...

oh and they totally fµ¢ked up the BKH moveset...urrgh

[nitus10]

Normally when I play a game for the first time I try not to read walk-throughs so I can enjoy the game more. Finding things for the first time is IMHO much more fun than knowing it is there.

The first time I played Zen's fortress I died and died some more however you gradually learn and you get a sense of achievement when you beat the Iron Giant at the access point to Anor Londo.

While I have not played DS2, I prefer to wait till it comes to the PS4 which is one of the reasons I will be buying a PS4 this year.

As for the game Lords of the Fallen I may pick this up when I eventually get a PS4 however just reading the reviews is a bit off putting since it appears to be a relatively short game. I am aware of the speed run through DS2 however to me that is not off-putting since Demon's Souls and Dark Souls have already proven to me to be excellent games

[Psychotica]

Though I liked Dark Souls better, Dark Souls 2 is an awesome game and far better than Lords of the Fallen.

[VJGenova]

100% agree. Also Lotf was ... well ... easy. The most I died on any boss was 4 times, and it was because of cheap one hit kill shit. You know, the stuff this author doesn't think exists. I recall seeing a preview for Lotf and it said "Every Victory ... Is born ... from defeat." ... sound familiar? The player sucked and basically died at the same boss several times.

I did enjoy Lotf, but I will not buy Lotf 2 day 1. Bloodborne on the other hand ...

[BillmadeAGate]

Dark souls 2 with all its flaws still shits on this game...

[snookiegamer]

Sweeping Statements? ....What is better is subjective. Title needs work! ;/

[Baka-akaB]

Er no ... with two "similar" gameplay , i'll still vote for the one with a better design and artstyle and more engageing content ... namely Dark Souls 2 .

Not just a copy that did well , but ultimately lacks a soul (HA!!)

[Predaking77]

I own both games. Sorry, no way Lords of the Fallen is better than Dark Souls 2.

Dark Souls may has its flaws but still is way better.

[Godmars290]

Who gives a f**k if you enjoyed the games?

[DarXyde]

I love the Souls games, but I'm honestly having a hard time getting into Lords of the Fallen.

And on another note, I'm curious to hear from you all. No judgments, but I am wondering: what makes Dark Souls 2 not so great? I personally enjoyed it and found combat to be the most refined of the series.

I just want to know why some others didn't like it so much.

[LAWSON72]

Those who like the atmosphere of the first, really attack the game. IMO the gameplay is so good it is hard to hate, it so fine tuned I find myself returning every now and again to get a taste of good game design, same with the other two games as well. I don't know why but the game feels more arcadey, but I like unique but familiar feel.

People also hate on the level design but personally I think it is as brilliant as the last games just clearly they took a little different approach.

I look forward to rebuying it on Xbone next year to play with friends.

[DarXyde]

Okay, that makes sense. I didn't like the level design at first, but I've come to appreciate it a lot later on.

I revisit these games regularly and, after playing the first again, it was a grand quest and I'll never forget the awesomeness of Anor Londo, but the combat was hard for me to return to. It really made me see just what they did for Dark Souls II.

Thanks for the reply. :)

[DragonKnight]

Dark Souls 2 is bad for the following reasons.

1. The story is a mishmashed mess that seems to have had no effort put into it. It feels like they tried remaking Dark Souls 1 in a new location rather than say the difference between Demon's Souls and Dark Souls 1.

2. The game's version of difficulty is "add more enemies." That's basically it. Dark Souls 2 is really just a numbers game.

3. Enemy variation is pitiful. Look at the various different enemy types in Demon's Souls and Dark Souls 1, then look at Dark Souls 2 and see that 90% of the enemies are humanoids and that pretty much all of them have that overhead smash attack. Hell, even most of the bosses in Dark Souls 2 are humanoid. The most unique boss in the main game is Duke's Dear Freja. That said, Alonne in the DLC is by far my favourite boss in the whole game.

4. It took DLC to really showcase some good level design. The main game left me wishing for a location like Lost Izalith or the Painted World of Ariamis or Demon's Souls Boletarian Palace (still the best location of any Souls game IMO) but left a lot to be desired. I love the Ivory Crown DLC location and the Sunken Crown location was apparently heavily inspired by the Temple of the Ancients from FFVII.

5. I have to disagree that the combat is smoother. The hitboxes can be incredibly wonky at the oddest of times, there is still lagstabs for days, and FromSoft's incessant rebalancing nonsense is forcing specific playstyles to become more and more prevalent as people are trying to find something that actually works before FromSoft decides to unnecessarily nerf it. Really it's like FromSoft's B-Team didn't finish the combat and that's why there has been so many reblancing patches.

6. Soul Memory. It's a B.S. system that hasn't served its purpose and needs to go. SM was supposedly created to prevent low level twinking, but instead what it's done is completely remove Soul Level requirements making it much easier for cheaters at max levels and maxed out gear to invade an SL 1 player. It also has made co-op unnecessarily difficult even with the co-op rings.

Overall Dark Souls 2 feels like an unfinished Souls game, and the remaster proves this by adding an NPC (a burning bush of all things) to add and explain more story. The game is also a lot easier than its predecessors as you can just stick around a bonfire and kill the same adds 10 times and they'll despawn for the rest of your playthrough until new game+ or if you use a Bonfire Ascetic. This makes farming more difficult than it should be while making the game easier overall.

I think I covered it all.

[TheLastColossus]

I still cant believe I wasted my money on this piece of shit

[globeofgamers]

Only if it actually worked when I played it (on release day)... It's not better, it's mediocre. Lacks the depth and it's not even half as complex as Dark Souls.

Also, it's a rip-off from Dark Souls... be original, make your own game.

[Dramacydal]

The universe is big enough for both games to be "good".

[RiseofScorpio]

Turds of the Fallen has got nothin on Dark Souls. They're porting that trash to phones but not 7th gen consoles? Makes sense.

[asadachi]

LoF was too short and even though there were a lot of weapons, better ones would make a lot of them obsolete. Dark Souls 2 is not better than Dark Souls imo, but much better than Lords of Fallen. It was just too easy. Maybe that is why some people like it; it was easy enough for casuals to play while Dark Souls games are unforgiving, but really provide a great challenge.

[InTheLab]

Sure and Bound by Flame is better Dragon Age /S

While I have not played either DS2 or LotF, there's an obvious quality gap on display here.

[SharnOfTheDEAD]

Lords of the fallen really isn't it has a terrible identity crisis and doesn't know what it wants to be.

[megatron_78]

Isn't everyone tired of these x game is better than y because my opinion is the right one article? Honestly the ego of Some these sites are ridiculous!enjoy what u enjoy,that's the secret boys and girls

[LAWSON72]

I have not played Lords of the Fallen, sadly, however I doubt it is near as well designed as DkS2. DkS has killer mechanics and loads of depth for class development, and I seriously doubt Lords of the Fallen surpasses that.

[WeAreLegion]

Subjectivity is a thing. Sorry, author.

[moomoo319]

Was this title made by a ten year old?

[CervantesPR1]

Hell no, lords of the fallen is a cheap imitation.

[porkChop]

I enjoyed Lords of the Fallen much more than Dark Souls. So for me, yeah, Lords is much better.

[theshredded]

wow,he states it as a fact...what a Biach
everyone has his opinions but u can't deny the fact that Lords of the Fallen is worse

[Donnywho]

You can't write a Lords of The Fallen article without mentioning Demon/Dark Souls. You can't even write a headline without mentioning it. You know why right?

[SilentNegotiator]

That's a really good point.

[LightDiego]

Funny article, thanks for the good laugh.
If this guy thinks that Dark Souls 2 it's difficult, imagine Demon's Souls then.

[Baka-akaB]

The whole premise is ridiculous anyway . We are supposed to give an accolade to a game that barely keep up with the one it clones in a few areas , got issues of its own , and no innovation , nothing to add on top of it (after all Mordor did have its nemesis system and added to the mythos of LOTR , beyond just being a clone) ?

And let's not even enter the highly debatable subject of design , art and level design .

Well yeah no dice most people wont care and still remember Dark souls 2 , even as the weakest of the soul series , instead

[BellePelouse]

for me this will never be true a song as there is no multiplayer in LotF

[monochromer]

Mmmmmkay.

[DivineAssault]

cant argue with an opinion but i totally disagree

[asadachi]

The evidence of how stupid this is is in the website name: Noobfeed.com ... written by noobs for noobs.

[Tzuno]

So true, purists will disagree though.

[Vanfernal]

Read : "My opinion is a fact. Sorry fanboys"

[SilentNegotiator]

Because anyone that doesn't agree with you is a fanboy.

[xActionBasturdx]

I hope th is guy isn't trolling us. The souls series is leagues ahead of that clunky lords of the fallen. And the lore of the souls series was always in game if you read item descriptions and pay attention to what the npcs say.

[ziggurcat]

i enjoyed LotF, but it was definitely *not* better than dark souls 2.

whatever the author is smoking, someone please take it away from him as it completely numbs this person's common sense.

edit: oh, it's because he thinks dark souls is too hard... what a failure.

[jznrpg]

Lords of the Fallen was decent, but it wasnt as good as DS2 imo. It is a poor mans Dark Souls I would say. And Dark Souls 2 was the weakest of the souls series imo.

[OhReginald]

HAHAHAHA im not gonna even click on this click bait crap. Lords of the fallen doesn't hold a candle to dark souls 2 let alone dark souls 1 and LET ALONE the king demons's souls.

Just look at the reviews. lords of the fallen sucks!

[Max_Chiasson]

hhahahahahahahahhaa no. LOTF failed at everything DS2 succeeded at

[phoenixwing]

Game x is better than game y is fun in forums but not as a whole article, that's just a waste of time. You're fighting over opinions.

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

LOTF is prettier than souls but its not even close to being a better game than souls. LOTF is to easy especially if u use the OP healing ability. I do however, like the combat better in LOTF.

[Tdmd]

Without the childish and unnecessary "sorry fanboys" in the title, I could actually take this piece seriously and give it a chance. But because of it, I'll just assume its clickbait from some attention whore who might, ironically, be the real immature fanboy in here.

[urwifeminder]

Never played any of these so its a draw for me .

[masterfox]

ok.

[kingvendrick]

So Lords of the fallen is better than DS2 because its easier.

Lol

From 'Noob' feed, how appropriate.

[Aon]

I definitely agree with that. Lords of the Fallen is great game and it is better that Dark Souls 2, for me of course. Everything looks better in LotF: graphics, animation, combat ect. Great article.

[ThePowerpuffGirl]

It seems to me that everyone has an opinion on the subject. I certainly should not be the end, guided by the opinions of others. But the truth is that much more Lotf suits me.