VGChartz: US Weekly, 8th November 2014

US Hardware Numbers

XOne - 286,389 (+214%) 4,015,395
PS4 - 140,842 (+61%) 5,025,084
3DS - 55,043 (+8%) 13,141,935
X360 - 38,035 (+69%) 43,737,520
WiiU - 35,337 (+27%) 2,975,824
PS3 - 16,490 (+39%) 26,352,285
Wii - 5,683 (+25%) 41,604,914
PSV - 4,008 (+5%) 1,864,044

Top 5 Software

1. Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare - 1,293,397 (XOne)
2. Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare - 1,249,181 (PS4)
3. Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare - 765,471 (XB360)
4. Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare - 390,788 (PS3)
5. Super Smash Bros. - 63,991 (3DS)

Global Hardware Numbers: NA - EU - JP - Weekly Total
PS4 - 154,331 - 192,037 - 9,828 - 434,849
XOne - 297,712 - 64,716 - 665 - 415,435
3DS - 60,054 - 68,590 - 73,988 - 218,197
WiiU - 39,012 - 24,566 - 4,309 - 73,265
PS3 - 18,460 - 33,048 - 4,451 - 69,639
X360 - 42,427 - 15,929 - 106 - 67,384
PSV - 4,218 - 9,024 - 10,192 - 27,551
Wii - 6,196 - 6,802 - 59 - 14,689

To see Global numbers go to the home page

[wotta]

Never sure how much to believe these numbers, but that's pretty good for MS if true. I would expect this to hold for the two weeks it has so far. Will it be different next week? (Is that Black Friday?)

It'll be interesting to know if MS can keep this up for the whole of November. At the moment PS4 is, what a million ahead in the US? If that's the case then I'm guessing a lot of people will go with PS4 as their friends have them. GTA and Far Cry 4 could also play a factor if Sony are pushing them.

MS has it's exclusives out there now, so those wont effect Xbox sales as much as people are bound to look to the upcoming releases. Will it return to PS4 being the top seller or will the Xbox price cut until January see it through? I really don't know, will be interesting to find out though.

[FITgamer]

Not sure why, but they adjusted XB1 last week numbers up 17k,above PS4. This weeks XB1 numbers should be just under 220k. They'll probably adjust them again in a couple of hours like usual.

[VforVideogames]

So no XBOX is on top and they're numbers are wrong? ok.

[FITgamer]

@V Xbox should still be on top, but these numbers are inflated. I'd be surprised if they don't adjust them down. They do it almost every week. Also considering NPD is today, there will definitely be adjustments.

[madmonkey01]

some people tell you the numbers are wrong regardless who comes out on top

[darthv72]

@fit... inflated is the wrong word. The right one to use is "upscaled".

[madmonkey01]

they are always wrong its just a guy guessing his numbers, i could do the same thing.

[360ICE]

They're extrapolating data from retail and consumer polls, and no you couldn't. Some offense.

[u4one]

Ok. So every 2 weeks we'll look to you too see what your numbers are and see how close you are are

[madmonkey01]

"They're extrapolating data from retail and consumer polls,"

which at the end of the day gives them little more than a guess at the numbers. consumer polls and the few retailers they may get data from do not give the full picture.

they usually correct their numbers to match up genuine numbers released.

even if i did provide estimates for two weeks for you to see how close they are, what would you be checking them against? as you do not get real numbers from anyone. any one of us here could guess numbers in the same way the young man that made this site did, was found out to be just guessing on every forum he used to post them on before he set up VG chartz.

[360ICE]

If so, a very educated guess.

It's a guess in the same way pollsters "guess" who's going to win an upcoming election. It's an approximation. It won't be 100% accurate and there's a margin of error, which, if you look at the VGChartz numbers, is really not that high.

[Spotie]

Not seeing the education in their guesses, especially since we can see the bias regularly.

[TheWatercooler]

They are obviously bull numbers. Just like when they overtracked xbone by a whopping 100,000 untis in april.

[jrshankill]

and you are obviously a troll. Your point?

Don't make a fool of yourself. It is very easy to go back to other VGChartz threads and view your comments when PS4 had better weeks.

[Link2DaFutcha]

Personally I think the One's are selling more because Xbox is generally more popular for shooters, like COD: AW & Halo MCE. I'd expect this trend to continue through the holidays with both selling like hotcakes. Now if we could just get devs to test their games before release we can all be happy campers. Canceling my Far Cry 4 pre-order and waiting on reviews before getting it. I suggest everybody does the same. F Scooby Doobysoft

[GordonKnight]

They really need to start testing games. It's disappointing to get MCC and no multi player available. Thank God Mart Kart 8 got the new DLC today.I'm still getting Far Cry 4 Day one though.

[MRMagoo123]

Well all we can see from these numbers is PS4 still increased the sales gap and MS sold better in the US with a price cut, free games and a halo game. I dont think MS would be impressed that it took all that and still go outsold worldwide.

[ABizzel1]

US Overview

XOne: It seems all the promotions, the COD, ACU, and SO bundles, the anticipation for Halo: MCC, and the $50 price cut were the right thing to do in the US, because sales have more than tripled like MS said, so congrats to them. MS is doing everything they can to make sure the US market stays Team Xbox, and we'll see if by the end of they year will the PS4's 1 million console lead will last.

On a side note, I'd like to point out that once again I was the main person saying they have do the price cut to $329 - $349, because they would never outsell the PS4 consistently being the same price, yet I got tons of disagrees, now watch as the fanboys come out of the woodwork in support of this decision.

PS4: Still holding strong, but they're going to need a promotion of their own to fend off the XBO this holiday.

3DS: It's weird how there's such a big drop off, in sales. The US is now PS4 vs. XBO battleground and everything else is just there. The 3DS is still doing good, and Pokemon will make it's sales skyrocket just like the XBO, but it's weird seeing it this low in comparison to the XBO and PS4.

X360 - Still trucking along, and goes to show that the US fanbase still has a lot of Xbox love going for them, they were just waiting for a much better price ($350 vs. $500), and thankfully for MS they answered, before they were forced to choose.

WiiU - Sales have dropped, but Smash should pick them back up over the holidays, and a price drop MUST come after that. The Wii U isn't going to have a huge user base in the states, but it can still be a strong one, if they try.

PS3 - Tugging along.

Wii - Pretty much done.

PSV - Finished. Which is sad.

Overall WW sales

As I've been saying for the longest that complete EU dominance is the reason the PS4 has won this generation, and there's nothing MS (their only real competition) can really do to stop them. Sales have literally tripled for XBO in NA, but Sony's dominance in EU and the modest boost from JP will cancel out nearly every weekly sales win the XBO gets in the US, and almost always give Sony the win. By 2020 (IMO the end of this gen) I see PS4 and XBO being neck and neck in the US with over 40 million consoles sold, but then you go to EU and the PS4 will be the only console with 40 million sold, with the XBO being somewhere in the 20 million range. There's nothing they can really do to stop the PS4.

As for MS it's the push they've been wanting and looking for all year long with all the bundles and promotions they've tried. As I've said from the get go, one of the biggest selling points for the 360 was the fact it was always cheaper than the PS3 (usually $100 less and at most $300 less). Whenever they were the same price the PS3 sold in parity in the US with the 360 and had a large lead around the world. So when both the XBO and PS4 were the same price and the PS4 had all the other advantages the 360 had last gen like better multiplats, and mass appeal the XBO was never going to win anything costing more or the same price. The XBO also knocked another 300k off the Wii U's sales lead, and there's a good chance that by 2015 the XBO will have passed the Wii U, which again is exactly why I said Nintendo should have dropped price first, and launched Smash on Wii U first if they wanted to keep 2nd place for another year.

COD: AW taking 1 - 4 doesn't surprise me at all, but what does is that the PS4 and XBO have such a big lead over the PS3 and 360. Next year it's time to make everyone upgrade so we can move on into the current-gen full force. The 360 will be 10 years old, and it's time to say goodbye.

[Christopher]

Do you think MS is losing a pretty penny with each sale in November? Or do you think they're actually making a profit on these bundle deals?

[Concertoine]

I think there's a loss, but a small one. The Kinect 2.0 was probably a huge factor in the 500 dollar price tag, i wouldnt be surprised if its manufacture cost exceeded the $100 price it took with its discontinuation. The Xbone's parts are cheaper than the PS4 but i think the overrall design (size, power brick, etc) are putting them both around the same manufacturing cost.

In the long run, this is a good idea for MS.

[dantesparda]

Well these are the numbers at the beginning for the X1 and PS4
http://www.gamespot.com/art...
http://www.gamespot.com/art...
I know Sony announced that they are making a profit on every system sold some months back and its estimated that it only costs MS $50 now for their APU and that's before the switch to 20nm. But we don't have Sony's lasts costs. So really we don't know. And anything else would just be speculation. I would assume that both go down at the same time, since they are both almost the same APU from the same company.

[ABizzel1]

@cgoodno

I think they're taking a small loss on each console sold, with the hope of making it back up via XBL subscriptions, and software sales.

I'd guess they're taking around a $50 loss per console (including manufacturing / shipping fees). One XBL subscription basically covers the loss, and more than likely that gamer is going to continue to the subscription and buy games which make up for the initial loss. They're taking a small loss now, to prevent complete sales domination for PS4, and give their next console a fighting chance.

[Christopher]

@ABizzel1: I appreciate the response.

Regarding making up loss, I'm not sure XBL would do that. I do not believe that much of that is at all profit now since it does cover ongoing OS/network costs as well as other features. Essentially the monthly updates MS has been putting out is covered by the $50 XBL subscriptions, and not even every owner has one of those.

I think they plan to make up the losses by the games people buy as well as any digital content they purchase. I'd say they are hoping someone buys at least 5 full games or content of similar value.

I think they might sell 2 million in the next two months, so that's $100m of possible loss there if it is ~$50 per console. I guess that would be an okay figure to give up considering they would be cutting their typical profit for this time of the year by only 1/3 in order to greatly increase their market share.

[tinynuggins]

I remember a report a while back stating that the kinect 2.0 cost almost as much as the xbox1 so i'm wondering if they're still making a profit on the stand alone units.

[Death]

If they are losing money, it hasn't shown on their financials yet. People were saying Microsoft would lose money when they cut Kinect and lowered the price to $399. Their financials show almost 1 billion in profit in the division. It's hard to say how a $50 price cut will impact Microsoft's profit margin. Revenue is obviously going up, but the cost of revenue increased depending on how much manufacturing costs have come down. If I had to guess I would say Microsoft will adjust overhead to show the same amount in profit, but will have a substantial increase in revenue. It's not costing them anything, they are simply making less on each dollar in revenue.

[Christopher]

***Their financials show almost 1 billion in profit in the division. ***

That's the beauty of the "division." It doesn't just include XBO but 360 and other entertainment gains (such as any app sales from the Win8 store).

By your logic, the PS Vita is doing perfectly fine. The Playstation division is showing great improvements this year compared to last. It has even been one of the very few divisions to see a gain in profit as opposed to a loss from previous years.

[DarthZoolu]

You were the main one? Lol who are you?

[Silly Mammo]

Well, good thing MS listened to him!

[ABizzel1]

@DarthZoolu

Obviously one of the few people here with any kind of business intelligence / experience.

@Silly Mammo

It was for the best, or else they would have been in more trouble the longer they waited. Nintendo should have did it too, but they wanted to get all the money they could from Smash, but now they've just hurt their hardware sales potential for the holidays, and have to wait until next year to recoup, because a holiday price drop is more beneficial than a beginning of the year drop.

[QuickdrawMcgraw]

As has been stated many times.....The Xbox is and always will be just a North American niche product....and there is nothing wrong with that...

[Christopher]

I don't think 'niche' is the right word for North America. It's more of a niche product outside of North America and the UK. It's a stable and common product in those areas.

Just wanted to specifically state that since the way you phrased it made it seem like it is a niche product everywhere, including America.

[beerzombie]

What about China they haven't seen those numbers added yet

[mkis007]

Think they were only allowed 100,000 so far

[SpartanYalo]

the numbers are included with the rest of the world in the Global Weekly sales.

[GordonKnight]

All three consoles are great. There is no reason to hate on any of them. If you do you're missing out on some great gaming experiences.

The power of three consoles.

[Manic2014]

Good numbers all round, but MS need to reduce price in EU,

[ABizzel1]

I don't think it would really help that much. I mean they'll get a boost for the first few weeks, but then it'd settle back down into the upper 40k range, instead of the current 35k range, which would cost them money unnecessarily. EU is PS land.

Now a UK price drop I agree with, but full EU's not going to happen. MS is just going to call it a loss in EU, and try to dominate NA, but Sony's not going to make it easy on them.

[Jaqen_Hghar]

They already have reduced price 3 times in the UK. It's less expensive there than PS4 and it still isn't making a difference.

[danny818]

Love that the Xbox is getting into the hands of more gamers. Its a great system with potential. The games are honestly greeat

[PaleMoonDeath]

Not really, I don't know anyone who has owned one, or has kept theirs till now, Windows 8 and weaker hardware isn't doing any favours mate.

[Christopher]

I think sales of CoD on XBO as well as MCC kind of prove there are enough people with XBOs out there.

[ABizzel1]

@Twiggy

I own one, and I've kept mine, as well as my PS4, as well as my PC, as well as my Wii U.

[Death]

@Twiggy,

Windows 8 is what gives the system more stability and instant notifications. The fact you don't know what W8 is doing is a testament to how well it works.

The weaker hardware is a matter of perception. Both systems are "weak" compared to high end machines. It's like saying a game scoring a 78 is much better than a game scoring a 75. Yeah, technically the 78 is better, but the degree it is better is open to interpretation.

[combatcash]

I know a few people who made the switch from ps4 to the xone I will eventually buy one when gears comes out, The price should be just right. What the ps4 has going for it is the brand and potential of games but to be honest if you don't have one you're not missing out on much. Their good games won't be released until next year. I bought to play my 3rd party games on a more affordable console and to eventually play the next uncharted and Gow. IMO the xone seems to have the better games at the moment which should make it more appealing to consumers but it's not always about the games sometimes it's about what your friends have.

[Death]

My advise would be to not switch from a PS4 to an Xbox One, but to save the money if possible and own both.

[xxx_Solid_Snake_xxx]

good job "MS"
i don't need any console to die
continue the Competition "MS" and "Sony" we (The gamers) will win in the end

[Funantic1]

+214 that's insane. Good for MS.

[WarPuppet96]

Good job Microsoft. My kids want an Xbox one, I went and bought one and I was gonna skip the xbox one but I caved, don't regret it and I'm really enjoying it. I think it would be safe to say that kids have yet to get their hands on an xbox one and parents are waiting for a good price like I am to go ahead get them their own. I have a ps4 and they barely touch it and its such a good machine. I think kids don't really care about power or sales, and by the way any good pc games I can give a try on my new gaming rig? lol.

[thricetold]

No kids don't know any better, it's up to us parents to inform them and not fall prey to smoke and mirrors. It's up to us to teach our children about principles.

[Jaqen_Hghar]

Wow even with a price drop in their strongest territory and bundling and discounting out the ass MS couldn't close the gap! PS4 is truly beastly. It may not lose a single week to Xbox One the entire year. MS is in for trouble once the price goes back up if they can't even win this week. Also VGC has a trend of undertracking PS4 and overtracking Xbox One (like when Sony announced 10m sold through and they had it about a half mil short) so expect this to change in Sony's favor if it's adjusted at all.

Meanwhile poor WiiU continues to sell far less than it deserves what a great system but unappreciated. A man will be enjoying MK8 DLC today and Smash in a week.

[BarneyS]

I don't think the price will go back to 399 again. It's a marketing trick, by saying the price reduction is only for two months more people will be tempted to buy one now. MS knows that if the price goes up again, their sales will collapse in january and PS4 will easily take the lead again. I wouldn't be surprised when MS anounces the Xone will be 350 worldwide in january.

On topic: Good week for MS in the USA even though they had to dig very deep to get there. Even with all this agressive marketing from MS, Sony still has the lead worldwide. That's pretty impressive.
Also if you look at the European numbers, 43% of the total Xone sales in Europe come from the UK. Which makes it clear PS4 is totally dominating continental Europe.

[ABizzel1]

@BarneyS

I think the price is going right back up. After the holiday sales drop, and there's no point keeping the price at $350 when the console isn't selling 1/4 as well as it was during the holidays.

MS really want to win the US this holiday, and they've got an amazing start (supposedly week 2 sales are similar). But come January - February there's no need to have the price drop.

I do think it would be wise to make it official in March though, so they can collect that tax money.

[BarneyS]

@ABizzel1

Ok good point. But if you're right than they will lose all the momentum they gained during the holidays. I understand they want to win the holidays but this makes it a pretty desperate short term move.

[thricetold]

Everything MS does is short sighted.

[thrust]

What? Are you on drugs?

[MRMagoo123]

what do you mean, he said the gap didnt close and it didnt the PS4 still sold more world wide as usual and that means the gap increased again, I dont see whats wrong with what he said.

[Unarmed_Civilian]

Dont worry if Sony losses a few weeks the xbots will start yelling VICTORY!
Then january will come and they will yell RETREAT!

[Death]

It's hard to argue that people bought PS4's to this point for the exclusives. It's my opinion people were buying it because of the perception people had from the reveal for both consoles. The PS4's momentum was based less on what it could do and more on what it wasn't which was the Xbox One. Microsoft has been working very hard to change public opinion. They have done this with some very solid games and lower price points. The momentum Microsoft is building will be hard to slow down unless Sony does the same thing. The obstacles Sony is facing is a lack of funding to make the necessary improvements to their infrastructure and financial ability to lower the price.

One year in and Sony has released PSNow which hasn't excited many due to the pricing. They have also released PlaystationTV and now are moving their subscription TV service out to select regions. This wouldn't be a bad thing if it wasn't for the negative reaction people had to Microsofts reveal last year and Sony's claim to focus on gaming which brought a lack luster year of exclusives which ended in one of the worst game releases of the year. They really needed to end year one with games to support their claims before shifting focus to TV.

[LAWSON72]

I remember when people said Halo was old and already played to much to be a system seller, looks like they were very much wrong.

[OB1Biker]

Xbone doing well in the US and that was expected. numbers look fair enough but Im honestly surprised its still selling poorly in EU (compared to PS4) and PS4 still sold best globally (if we got to rely on those numbers)

[Unarmed_Civilian]

Well europeans dont have the holiday craze like the americans,they dont slash the prices so much.

[No_Limit]

@Lawtson..

The scary thing is that this chart ended Nov 8th and that didn't factor in the Halo effect as that game was only out a couple days ago. Anyways, great for MS and this prove MS is here to stay in the console business contrary to popular beliefs that is going on around.

[LAWSON72]

Disagree all you want fact is in the US Xbox sales are up 200% and 300k units were moved in only a week according to this, even before the game was out. Talk about denial, if you disagree because no one said what I pointed out I would be more than happy to scavenge up some TLOU vs Halo MCC discussions from a few months ago. Factor in Black Friday, lauch of the game, and Christmas Xbone may very well catch up in NA.

[ABizzel1]

@LAWSON72

Just like you were DEAD WRONG, about that price drop. LMAO

http://makeagif.com/i/JZaAN...

[PizzaSteve]

LOL I like how you did that.

[No_Limit]

Great number for MS and xb1. MS wasnt kidding when they said console sales had 3x since Nov 2 and that it is the best selling console in the USA since. And congrat to Sunset Overdrive for being in pole position at the chart. Great game that deserved it.

[GamerX2]

Everyone should holdout buying a xbox one..If sony decides to price match Microsoft, The xbox one could end up being $99.99 before the end of the year..

[chikane]

yes the power of a price drop and two free games..

Anyway good numbers for Nintendo and Sony

[horndog]

Great numbers. I got three apprentices who went to pick up xbox ones for some halo multi-player clan I started up at work. I'm trying to convince another to trade up the ps4 and get the xone so he can join the pool. Great times ahead.

[hello12]

I think Sony will win Octobers NPD and Microsoft will win the November NPD going by those numbers. Still early days in November though but they have a good chance of winning a month this year.

[ABizzel1]

I agree.

December will be toss up between both consoles for NPD.

[Predaking77]

Vgachartz is always wrong but we have NPD for official numbers. Too bad they don't count bundles and digital sales.

[liljandjer]

I heare you predaking, competition is always good and im glad too see microsoft is being agreesive this holiday season. Lets see it they can keep this momentum. good for the industry non the less.

[voodoogts]

But if Sony sells more they are correct. Lol...

[joeorc]

https://mobile.twitter.com/...

Well off to November's results.

[Flames76]

Damn the XOne just dominated in every department.Good job microsoft 10 million shipped the table has turned.Of course now all the sony fanboys will say vgchartz isnt right since the XOne is number 1 lol

[agame914]

Retard

[CertifiedGamer]

While people were busy jumping in the next gen, I was buying the Sony Xperia Z3 to play my PS4 on the go.

[nix]

I just came here to say hahaha...

NDP numbers are out n it's not as vgchart predicted.