Oculus to Sony: Make Sure Morpheus is 'as good or close' to the Oculus Rift

VRFocus - With every passing prototype and development kit for the Oculus Rift head-mounted display (HMD) creator Oculus VR has tackled more and more of virtual reality's (VR) biggest issues. Problems such as motion sickness may not have been completely solved but the company has drastically reduced the effects using low latency displays and innovative software solutions. Despite the fact that Oculus VR will one day be competing against a range of VR HMDs, it's hoping that other companies are taking the same approach.

[THC CELL]

Will be better, only content will be the competition

[SonofGod]

How do you know it will be better? Have you tried them both?

Don't say Sony's will be better, just "because it's Sony".

[THC CELL]

I have tried em both. Loved em both but I felt sony had the edge

[Kurylo3d]

Troll. Anyone who tried both already sees occulus is years beyond sony. Whats funny is sony fanboys will hit agree just cause it says positive comment to sony. Wake up guys.. this guys name is the cell lol.. hes trolling people.

@below .. morganfell

What articles have i trolled? Im dieing to know. I barely even comment on N4g. Im just a VR enthusiast who has a rift and understands the technology.

Rift has 110 degrees viewable where morpheous has 90. OLED panel for rift, LCD for morpheous. Also Rift is winning with a technology they’re using called low-persistence display. This allows the screen to shut off for tiny fractions of a second between new images, and has been reported to dramatically reduce motion blur, judder and motion sickness in users.

[morganfell]

"Don't say Sony's will be better, just "because it's Sony"."

Why not? You troll Sony articles just because its Sony.

[rdgneoz3]

@Kurylo3d Grasping for straws? Let me try...

His name also starts with THC which stands for "Tetrahydrocannabinol&quo t;, which some studies have shown can help kill cancer "cells".

http://www.cancer.gov/cance...

[donthate]

Everyone knows Oculus Rift is what all VR is measured against at this point and with the deep coffers of Facebook, Sony will never catch up.

Sony might make a prettier one and charge you a lot more.

[SonofGod]

@morganfell

"Why not? You troll Sony articles just because its Sony."

I rarely go to PS articles, and I usually don't comment when I do. I came here for VR and saw THC CELL's comment and I couldn't help but to question his obviously biased speculation.

And I've never made a troll comment on a Sony article. I have no idea where you're getting that from.

Show me proof.

[morganfell]

No.

Go look at the first page of your post history. There is all the proof anyone requires. If you need it to be broken down line by line in Second Grade terms then such an expplanation would be useless and a waste of my time. At such a point no amount of listing repeated offenses will matter in the least. You are what you are and nothing will change that fact.

PS, I am talking at you, not to you.

[SonofGod]

@morgan

I checked my history and i couldn't find a comment on a Sony article (except for this article and one where I praised GT7).

You are speculating and jumping to conclusion based on either groundless reasons, or nothing at all. I don't really care.

"PS, I am talking at you, not to you."

You aren't talking "at" me if you acknowledge my argument and then directly reply to it.

Good job.

[fr0sty]

Cell isn't alone in their opinion. The general consensus has been so far Sony has the edge over Oculus. One example:

"In terms of which headset delivered crisper visuals, less lag and a more immersive experience, I feel Morpheus has the edge on Oculus - for now."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/...

[donthate]

@sonofgod:

Don't bother responding to a troll. Morganfell does this same thing every time.

Blames it on some far out history instead of responding to the story at hand. As if your history diminishes what you asked. It is a legitimate question.

If you want, look in his comment history and look at the number of bubbles. That usually tells you the whole story on this site.

[Army_of_Darkness]

I have no idea which VR headset we be better, but one thing for sure is that if naughty dog and Sony Santa Monica does something with it then I'll have no doubt in my mind that Morpheus will beat oculus :-D heheh
Quality software will be the deciding factor.

[N4GDgAPc]

Right now I hear its a pain to set up for Oculus Rifts but you forget there dev kits. They already said the consumer version will be more plug and play.

But I get the Oculus Rifts DK2 in the mail Wed. So i'm excited to try them out. Got like 30 games I downloaded to play with. Hopefully I'm not one of those people that get sick from playing it.

[bouzebbal]

it'll definitely be better because of the software, and we know nothing about the tech other than developers have tried it and liked it.
i think oculus are being pretty arrogant with their this. let's just see if their VR doesn't flop.
Morpheus already is gonna start with a big fanbase (PS4 owners) and that only is a pretty good way and place to start.

[MeliMel]

Morganfell is one of the Sony fanboy leaders, so your in a losing battle especially in a Sony article.

If you read some of the specification on both VR set you would see that Rift is better.

[N4GDgAPc]

Yes Oculus Rifts have reported to be better than the Morpheus. But at the same time Oculus Rift has been in development longer so its expected. And really I think they have more recourses to develop it with Facebook buying it for $2 billion. A lot of top programmers left there game jobs to work on the rifts. Forgot his name a very well know programmer who has been with ID Software most of his life that created all the engines left to work for Rifts. Couple more from ID Software and Value left. And some more video companies I can't think of

[freshslicepizza]

sony will be more concerned with pricing and because the ps4's hardware is more limited than high end pc's i don't see how it will be better. sony is more concerned about producing a mainstream product and to be able to sell it to console owners at a reasonable price. i doubt morpheus will cost over $199 and they wont be selling it at a loss.

what does matter is software and we can only hope software support is far more impressive than what we saw for the playstation move.

[blackmagic]

The lower resolution, lower contrast, lower framerate, lower field of vision, higher latency display panel used in morpheus pretty much guarantees the Rift's superiority.

[G20WLY]

SonofGod, proof of trolling Sony? Yesterday, you used all 3 bubbles to point out a "missing shadow" on COD:AW for PS4? Desperate spamming...

As for Morpheus, when was the last time specs were released for the current iteration? We get updates very regularly with Rift and even get to use new versions at home each time they release a new DK. There's no way any of us can know what's changed on Morpheus since the last time specs were released.

If these 2 VRs aren't similar in spec, it will hurt both, as there will be a parity issue where devs want their game on both. Sony and Oculus know this.

The biggest differentiating factor for me will be that one works in conjunction with my PS4 and benefits from the 1st party studios and the other doesn't.

[Joe913]

@Kurylo3d actually if you go back to any video review of GDC when the Sony announced their VR device most people who has tried both said OR screen has less motion blur or whatever you want to call it but Sony's is more comfortable and each show after that where Sony brought their HMD the screen has gotten better so it shows they are working on it and people are not being fanboys all you have to do is watch a few videos so how bout you do some digging before calling people names

[N4g_null]

So sony wins by deflating the tech pool, interesting. This is really a thinly veiled pc vs ps4 argument.

[johndoe11211]

Oculus VR needs to take their heads out of their cracks and stop constantly trolling sony with comparisons and start studying how the hell they are gonna stop mark zuckerberg from plastering ads for candy crush and farmville on every vr game every ten minutes. Or the bigger issue of how they are gonna convince me to buy an oculus rift that is now owned by one of the most anti consumer, privacy stealing companies in the world.

[Infamous298]

I think Project Morpheus will be more consumer friendly than oculus because I am pretty sure that project morpheus will be plug n play unlike oculus.

[Kurylo3d]

I think the only convincing u need is sony charges u money to play online and occulus works on pc which does not lol... Not to mention that u need 75 frames per second at 4 k resolution to get a solid vr experience. Good luck getting that out of a ps4.

[kayoss]

@Kurylo3d

"...75 frames per second at 4 k resolution to get a solid vr experience."

I have no doubt Oculus Rift might be better, but what you're telling me according to your statement is that there are ton of people out there right now who can play 4K on their computer? You do realize that there is only a very very small percent of computer owners who can actually play 4K on their computer right?

[methegreatone]

Way to go, keep putting out unrelated arguments, changing the subject. If that makes you feel that Morpheus is superior :)

Maybe you'll learn to stop doing that eventually.

Its funny though, with Facebook invested in this, they'll probably end up with better tech at a better price. Oh, and the sdk for developement is completely open. Did you know that ? You probably did, but yeah this will turn into Facebook machine evil evil Sony save us.
Just saying.

I haven't tried either. Maybe Sony's user experience is better overall compared to the previous/latest oculus build. Just remember However, I have to say I think Oculus has a huge advantage. Its on PC. It doesn't have the limitations the PS4 would. That said, first party devs will make amazing exclusive content, no doubt.

@Infamous298
Ofcourse it will, but that doesn't matter for PC gamers, because thats just how PC works. Console has its advantages, and so does PC. PC is not as user friendly, fine, but as a result its got superior everything, and a great deal of options.

Its basically the PC vs console argument in my opinion. So you can't really compare the two headsets too much, it's kind of pointless.

[FlyingFoxy]

@ kayoss

Even people with good gaming rigs can't play 4k well, some games even average as bad as 40fps meaning it will dip a lot lower. That's with 2 970's in sli.. and more than 2 gpu's have bad scaling for performance meaning you get minimal gains getting a third gpu.

1 card for 1080p and 1 for some 1440p games or even 2 at that resolution to get high stable fps. People who use 4k are at a major disadvantage and unless they have deep pockets they can expect games to run poorly, or have to resort dropping to medium settings even with 2 gpu's.

[kingduqc]

How can they provide a great VR experience if they are limited in both resolution and framerate?

For a great VR experience you need really high resolution: Even 1080p is cutting it short as in you literally see each individual pixels and the space between them.

You also need 90+FPS for Low motion blur mode (basically strobing at 90hz a black frame) Greatly reduce the blur caused by the slow pixel refresh and make the movement clear. This is basically a must because otherwise you get sick and it's tiering for the eyes.

Both of those are impossible on the ps4 hardware unless they severly reduce visual quality, scale and complexity of games. Most AA can't event get the bare minimum of the pc standard back in 2006 (1080p/60fps) so I don't see how can sony actually outdo a VR headset on PC.

[Utalkin2me]

Well if you have played it you would know it works well. Regardless of what tech you think it needs.

[Kurylo3d]

u need 75 fps for no studdering. And it works good at 2k resolutions, but its difficult to read text at the edge of the screen at those resolutions.. 4k is the way to go.

[Nicaragua]

1080p resolution on tiny pixel dense screens is not the same as 1080p spread out on a 55" TV - so no you do not see the pixels

[bumnut]

^^^ You can see the pixels because its so close to your face. 1080p is not enough, you only look at the part of the screen the lens focuses on so the pixels stand out, needs to be at least 1440p imo.

You would see the pixels on your TV if you sit close enough.

[kingduqc]

There are some dense people here so I'll take time to reply to a few of them.

@Utalkin2me -> Played Oculus rift that is 1080p at 75Hz and I know very well that this isn't cutting it.

@Kurylo3d -> No, you need over 85-90 HZ to achieve real low persistence mode. "As we know, low persistence does not work with 60 fps. As the screen flashes only once per frame and stays black until the next frames arrives, the flickering would be very annoying at 60 Hz."

Right from the developers, also same thing as lightboost hack witch is also noticable at 85hz or lower.

@1080p resolution on tiny pixel dense screens is not the same as 1080p spread out on a 55" TV - so no you do not see the pixels --> So does watching 1080p from 7 feet vs watching it under 7 inch. If you tried one you would know.
http://vr.mkeblx.net/oculus... Where is what i'm talking about, even 1440p isn't quite great.

Now please, I know you all love sony and hope they succeed but the fact remain that VR experience isn't that great unless you have over 90hz refresh rate aka 90fps+ without dips with high resolution (1440p barely making it you can the dot pitch distance between each pixels, 4k should be decent to play with) witch is far from being in reach for the ps4.

[360ICE]

What was different between the two?

[Muadiib]

All tech sites that I have read have given the Rift the edge in every way that matters. The Morpheus is quite far behind really, which is fine, if and when Sony take it seriously (they aren't, their financial foes prevent any risk taking) they can maybe catch up. I doubt they have people as smart as Carmack working on it though so I'm not full of confidence.

[Kurylo3d]

Rift has 110 degrees viewable where morpheous has 90. OLED panel for rift, LCD for morpheous. Also Rift is winning with a technology they’re using called low-persistence display. This allows the screen to shut off for tiny fractions of a second between new images, and has been reported to dramatically reduce motion blur, judder and motion sickness in users.

[360ICE]

@Muadlib
That part about Sony not taking risks because of financial peril makes no sense. First of all, we know PlayStation takes risks all the time. Journey, Heavy Rain, LittleBigPlanet, Wild, Rime and many more are testament to that. It's one of PlayStation's defining features.

Also, is it more of a risk to take your projects more seriously?

If anything, I'd say Sony has started taking their products, especially their phones, more seriously since Kaz Hirai took over.

@Kurylo3d
Thanks for the info.

[user5669510]

i doubt it.

ORift note to self dont say anything about sony their fans are crazy and think sony is the greatest thing since sliced bread. anything short of worshiping them is frowned upon.

[2cents]

Iribe mentioned that Oculus VR has even invited SCE to sample the latest prototype of the Oculus Rift, taking the opportunity to ask the company: “Please make sure your product is as good or close!”

This quote sums it up. Oculus have worked their asses off to make VR a real thing, not just a gimmick. Not that there are many me too solutions coming, they want to make sure that others don't cheapen the perception of VR as a toy. Oculus are in this to make VR the next big thing, not just an add on.

They want Sony to be responsible in their execution to make sure that the hype that Oculus has created for VR is not reduced to just another gimmick.

There is much arrogance on all fronts but the core message is true. Sony, don't F it up.

No need to go into Sony defence mode. It's just a intelligent but arrogant request from Oculus.

[Kidmyst]

"Oculus to Sony: Make Sure Morpheus is 'as good or close' to the Oculus Rift" Gloves are off, dems fightin words!

[tee_bag242]

The elephant in the room is how is VR going to feel at such a low frame rate (effictively halved) on the consoles. Motion sickness is VR's biggest challenge right now and low fps is a massive hurdle.
Hopefully Sony has a solution to this but I'm yet to see any technical details. Until then I'm skeptical.

[2cents]

I agree,

there is 'science' involved in this, which Oculus have had to learn and adapt to, to make usage less vomit inducing. They have been very open and honest through their development since the kickstarter days. Now facebook is on board we should get the best possible product that they can make, especially as they want around 50-100mil sales to make the platform viable.

It's nice to know that they are trying to maintain standards for us consumers.

[mysteryraz11]

I dont know if I should slap or laugh at you, eh I think I should do both, you have no idea what you are talking about kid

[Insomnia_84]

Here they go again with their arrogant comments.

[Fishy Fingers]

What's arragant? Him hoping every company investing in VR provides the best user end experience they can?

It's an emerging sector, one poorly put together device could hurt VR as a whole. Something everyone releasing a HMD should be trying to avoid.

Did you read the article?

[Fireseed]

Oh because Sony is just the harbinger of humility...

[Dramacydal]

General population to Oculus: Make sure this thing isn't PS Move or Kinect. Whoops! Too late.

[Death]

Or Morpheus.

[Rainbowcookie]

Just be quiet... and protect your rear from your new boyfriend facebook.

[Infamous298]

XD you made my day HAHAHA, funny bubble for you ;).

[WeAreLegion]

They aren't saying this out of competition. They want VR to succeed. They want Morpheus to succeed. It could be the first VR many are exposed to, so it better be good. I can't wait for Morpheus and Oculus.

[Father__Merrin]

note to Rift, make sure it's priced for mass market and is all user friendly like morpheous will be. I'm getting sick of their arrogance

I won't be supporting the Rift...

[Death]

How much is Morpheus?

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

I believe no one have mentined a price yet, not even tentatively, what Sony did say however was that it would be "more affordable than you think" (which is about as vague as it gets...).

Now, realistically, both HMDs are expected to be released for something between 200 and 400 bucks, depending on the tech it gets aboard... But, considering both Sony and Oculus want the thing to hit the masses and became huge (maybe even takeover TVs and Monitors as gaming displays, if you allow me the megalomaniac comment), it's well within expectation that those things can be much more affordable than past HMDs (which, currently, cost you around 500~1000 bucks and are somewhat more limited - like requiring other hardware to headtrack).

Anyway, if people had been watching more interviews and less of the sensacionalist headline making PR statements, they would realize that Sony and Oculus were colaborating at some point and are still highly counting on each other to be succeful in order to make VR a new big market that lasts and not the next motion control fad. Both can't afford the other one to fail and trow the public into disbelief of the technology, this is exactly what this statement was about before it was somewhat took out of context for a clickbait.

[Haru]

Morpheus will have way more content than oculus once it gets relased

[MegaRay]

Yeah like move...

[Pandamobile]

Yeah, this is 100% wrong.

[nosferatuzodd]

Sweet thats it push sony to step their game up on the morpheus its all good competitions no arm done

[boing1]

If they want Oculus to mean something, they should think how to make it work with consoles.

[asmith2306]

In the gaming landscape anyway.

[boing1]

Obviously, but the same happened with bluray. It won because of PS3.

[squeezx]

They should be helping each other to design the best VR experience. I don't see these two devices as competitors as much as they are ambassadors for the VR evolution of gaming. Each will have their own respective audiences and content.

[WeAreLegion]

Agreed. That's how Sony and Oculus see it, as well. It's about improving the experience and VR is the next inevitable step. So many new mechanics can and have come from this.

[Narutone66]

I'll be willing to buy both.

[Wolfgang187]

Iv'e got an original 720p rift and while I like it, I think Sony is in a better spot to make games compatible with their HMD. Sony simply works with far more devs than Palmer and the oculus crew do. While the rift may be a better product, I'd bet you anything Morpheous will have more games working for it in the long run.

Palmer and Oculus should just worry about tap dancing for Mark Zuckerberg and let Sony handle their own shit.

[asmith2306]

If anything, Oculus' arrogance is a fantastic sales pitch for Morpheus.

[Muadiib]

Is it arrogant to be better and know it and with that knowledge give good advice to your competitors? Of course not, if you want to see arrogance then look no further than Sony during the PS3's early days.

[NaughtyDream]

The rift is UGLY very UGLY

[Muadiib]

It's a dev kit, /facepalm.

[Gamerbeyond]

can morpheus outdo oculus 8bit VR technology, yes.

[andibandit]

I think Morpheus will be pushed to PS5

[dRanzer]

Yes i will say it to,ps4 hardware will not do good to this tech...like 3d on ps3,this is the start of the way
ps5 is more likley to use full on morphers

[mediate-this]

Maybe ps4 will get 60fps 1080p this time

[gluv65]

Arrogant Pricks. How about you make sure your VR system is good as well.

[Stapleface]

I don't think Oculus will have trouble making the Rift as good as the Rift... If your asking them to make it as good as Morpheus, why would they take a step backwards in their development?

[gluv65]

Lets see I said make sure your VR System is good as well. I made no comparison whatsoever, they're acting like their stuff don't stink and they haven't did anything spectacular or earth shattering all the while trying to tell some other company to do something they haven't done.

[Stapleface]

Nothing spectacular but having the best VR head set we have ever had available to us as consumers. That's totally nothing. As compared to Morpheus which at this moment is just a prototype which can't even be purchased.

[gluv65]

ah hello, oculus is a prototype as well and crystal bay has all kinds of problems. Last I check Oculus isn't at best buy.

[Stapleface]

The original OR was a prototype. The DK2 is past the prototype phase. Maybe you should look up the definition of prototype. If your too lazy here it is..

a first, typical or preliminary model of something, especially a machine, from which other forms are developed or copied.

[gluv65]

Is that why the Oculus creators keep saying we are still in the prototyping stage? I done with you homie, you're trying too hard especially when all the info is public Knowdlege. Go fry some fish or something.

[edqe]

Oculus Rift is already in good shape: http://www.youtube.com/watc...

DK2 + E:D - http://www.youtube.com/watc...
DK2 + Assetto Corsa - http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Of course DK2 is already outdated and way worse than newer Crescent Bay.

[q8kik]

They just need to release a game similar to that summer lesson trailer they showed us at TGS and then release it in asian market, success will be DAI SIEKO!!

[QuickdrawMcgraw]

check out portal of awesome for demos of Oculus and it's games....It looks like a lot of fun

[lemoncake]

Would love to just be able to get the oculus rift and it work on everything PC, ps, xbox, wii, but seems everyone's going to be doing their own separate thing and this is the biggest downside to it. Especially when you know that the console ones will probably not work on the next gen as almost always happens with this type of thing.

[DougLord]

Make sure whatever you do, you don't underprice us because we need to sell 50-100mm of these things at $300 each to be successful. - Facebook

Don't worry we can't afford to actually develop Morpheus anyway. Haven't you noticed we are almost broke? - Sony

BTW people are right the Xbone and PS4 can provide a good VR experience. You need 1080p to both eyes, so that's over 4mm pixels (1/2 of 4k), and you need 60+ FPS. That takes about 4x the power the PS4 has, and maybe 6x the XBone. Good news is Morpheus isn't coming out anytime soon. They need to dramatically shrink the hardware to get people to wear it, and they need to hit a price of $100-$150 to get people to buy it. So it will probably target PS5 and Rift will work with Xtwo (MSFT owns 5% of FB).

[BluFish]

Making a lot of assumptions there, champ.

[Angeljuice]

@DougLord

50-100mm is 2-4 inches, so they need to sell 4 inches of oculus at $300?

As for the rest of your post, what nonsense "Rift will work with Xtwo (MSFT owns 5% of FB)." So Xone discs must work on PS4 because Sony is part-owner of Blu Ray (and takes royalties from MS for using it).

5% ownership of something means nothing when it comes to decision making (I know wouldn't make decisions based on advice from a 5% owner of my business).

[Unarmed_Civilian]

Well 1 thing is for sure, lots of pukes incomming.

[ScorpiusX]

Oh yeah a throw down challenge has been sent . what side do I choose to support, am going with Oculus Rift my money on them in this throw down. GO RIFT GO

[oldassgamer]

We don't know how good either product is because it's not available to the general public. Until they both make their VR headsets available to users/consumers, and an actual comparison can be made, arguing about which is better is a moot point.

[Pandamobile]

Not really. Oculus will undoubtedly have the better product in the end. Morpheus' biggest downfall will be the PS4 itself. Good VR requires higher resolutions and higher framerates than the PS4 is really capable of delivering.

[ATi_Elite]

Hey we are not talking about xb1 vs ps4 so Noone cares about resolution and framerates you PC Elitist. It's Sony so it will automatically be better no matter the technical common sense mumble jumbo you just brought up. Resolution bah hum bug.

The Last of Us Remastered Morpheus Edition $60 for the third time for the same game running sub 1080p on Ps4 VR will be the greatest game ever.

So go back to playing your StarCrapCitizen on your $5600 Pc or whatever because Sony Exclusives rule.

Your just mad because you can't play Red Dead Redemption or TLOU or Red Dead Redemption or Uncharted or Red Dead Redemption.

Resolution lol no one and I mean no one cares about resolution expecially Sony gamers. Oh and Naughty Dog will show Sony how to optimize the game to run perfectly unlike all the bad drivers you Pc Gamers get.

So I'll enjoy Morpheus and all the great Sony Exclusives like TLOU and Uncharted while you will be standing in line at the store yet again buying another graphics card just to play a new game.

I already Pre Ordered TLOU Remastered Morpheus Edition while you play Doom with some stupid Iron Man mod meh.

$10000 Pc just to play Minecraft and old 16 bit games on Occlusion Rift what a joke. I rather play TLOU and get trophies.

[tee_bag242]

@ Ati_elite

Nah you're just salty and jealous your $6000 PC can't even do the 30fps filmic effect.
The Order already looks better than anything you guys have on PC. Plus ill be playing it with my wireless controller on my big TV with all my friends cheering me on and high 5ing.
Oh and have fun playing Red Dead Redemption.
You mad Brah?

[ATi_Elite]

Already played several PC games using Rift Dk2 at lan parties and I enjoyed it for some games but it will not replace big screen or triple monitor but.....

Games developed strictly for VR kickbutt and I see where the next steps are.

Most Pc games have Rift support and will get Rift support and the PC has the power flexibility and technology to push Rift. Only downside to Rift is Facebook. Yuck!

if they just sit back and let the PC Gaming industry drive it and add Facebook stuff separately but without forcing Facebook on you then great.

But if they force Facebook down your throat then Yuck!

[Pandamobile]

Why would they force Facebook down your throats? Oculus wouldn't have taken the deal if it meant compromising their future.

From what I've read, Facebook is taking a pretty hands-off approach to Oculus.

[Dan_scruggs]

Imagine the advertising.

Sony Morpheus - Close enough.

[ABBAJESUS]

That would be cute!

[S2Killinit]

Oculus is turning into another Microsoft. Why don't you focus on your shit, and leave the competition to its own devices? I mean, you just got here, why not pay your respects to the ones who paved the way?

[Bladesfist]

I'm pretty sure they rekindled the excitement for VR. They are not being arrogant at all, which for some reason has eluded most of you. They want VR to succeed as a whole and if somebody releases a bad VR device then it could just kill all of the excitement VR had been getting recently.

[S2Killinit]

yes very true. But its also a given. If me and you know about these facts, there is no reason to troll the competition in my opinion especially when it has a certain tinge of "I'm better than you" in there. My comment is also in reference to other statements made previously by the Oculus team ever since they got bought up by big money. Its like these companies sort of become bullies when they get capital backing. There is a stark difference between comments made by Sony regarding Oculus, and those made by Oculus regarding Sony. I think that much we can agree on.

[bluzone]

you guy do realize that VRfocus is a promotional company working for facebook.

Qote from Wikipedia "iContact, an email marketing software company, designs software to help small and medium-sized businesses manage email, Facebook and Twitter campaigns. iContact's services are available through the "Vocus Marketing Suite" or as a separate service.[14]"

think about whom this info(?) is coming from