Bungie president on Destiny: ‘We wish we had put more time into some areas’

Destiny developer Bungie has some regrets about the game’s launch, and it’s bringing a new approach to storytelling in the first major expansion, The Dark Below.

[BigBosss]

No Sh&*& sherlock!

[radler]

Thank god they have some DLC to try and rectify the problem! For some extra cash, you can upgrade your game from utter garbage to terrible :)

[JWiLL552]

I understand the game is disappointing on some levels, but there's nothing "garbage" about it.

It's been hated on so much it's almost become underrated.

[geddesmond]

When all these other games release this christmas just watch how many are still playing it. Then people will see how garbage the game is

[BDSE]

I'm not going to pay for DLC that fixes stuff that shouldn't have been broken or missing in the first place.

[donthate]

"Thank god they have some DLC to try and rectify the problem! For some extra cash, you can upgrade your game from utter garbage to terrible :)"

Well, Bungie's 10-year plan for Destiny is to take one games worth of content and spread it out to 10-years and milk you dry.

I wasted $90 right out of the gate sight and reviews unseen. Never again will I waste my money on a Bungie game!

To top it off, us Xbox One/360 owners are paying the same amount for less DLC content. WTF is up with that?

We get it, you have a deal with Sony, but first that timed exclusive content doesn't arrive until a year later, but on top of that we pay the same price for less!

I might have spent $90 on a Digital Guardian Edition, but I am not wasting more resources playing this game. Should have waited for the best value in gaming this holiday with Halo:MCC!

[bouzebbal]

of course he says that now and before the game comes out..
this is all marketing to prepare for the dlc and even the sequel..but aren't all the DLCs locked on disc?

[BX81]

For all it lacks its a damn solid base to build on. We have to consider this is a new ip from a dev who didnt do games like this in the past. Bungie should be proud.

[Meltic]

When the order or bloodborne is coming im going too trade this shit game in for that.

[FPS_D3TH]

So then why not trade it in now and earn better trade in value? Oh right! Cuz you're still playing it? Why are you playing a game you find it shitty? Because it's not shitty enough or you're simple. The logic is strong with this one

[Fkhalf16]

i already sold mine and bought Shadow of Mordor, pretty awesome game.

[Meltic]

D3TH_D33LR

Im not playing it. Not even playing my ps4 anymore when i bought my GTX 970 card. But im going too play it more again in january/february. Destiny sure i played alot in the beginning but i was bored very fast. And if i trade it now i wont get a better value here in sweden EU.

[Automatic79]

I already traded mine in bought the Evil Within.

[Jubez187]

You know the order is all hype too right? The gameplay looks like a straight 2006 PS3 game. Bloodborne will be cool, and I'm not a Destiny fanboy, but The Order is all hype just like Destiny.

[Stapleface]

LOL This again!! Yesterday or the day before it was a 980, today it's a 970!! LOL Ahhh, Meltic, you are always good for a laugh!

[jspsc123]

when mcc comes out. xboxs player count is going down to 0

[Jubez187]

the blessing of only have 1 game worth playing on a console. At least the game will be populated.

[TheXgamerLive]

Its near garbage for a current gen game. It's extremely last gen limited. But, I do thank Bungie for the beta BC then, I came I saw I refunded my preorder.

[Shinuz]

I wouldn't say its garbage (just wasn't what I was expecting) but yeah thank god for the beta, it made me cancel my pre-order as well.

[BallsEye]

more time...game was in development probably for 6 years now (already secretly announced in Halo:ODST in 2009) and that's all they could pull off? I know games with waay more content and waay more detailed and they were done in 2 years with much smaller budget. Damn bungie...I'm glad 343 took over halo from you. I had a better opinion before.

[spacedelete]

can you smell the turd that bull just left ? it stinks of greed and lies.

[Christopher]

Some areas? How about all areas?

[2cents]

I wonder how much the final price tag will be for 10 years of destiny, combining all the releases and dlc's.

Based of this first DLC pricing structure I think it is fair to say that this will be an expensive decade.

[CocoWolfie]

they had a lot of years to start with too ;-; damn activision

[Mustang300C2012]

Got nothing to do with Activision. This is all on Bungie just like it is on on Evolution with Driveclub

[DanteVFenris666]

Yea but sony allowed drive club more time. Something. That activision probably would have laughed in bunnies face. "What you need more time,, hahahaha just cut all the story out and release the game as is. Don't worry you've spent tons on marketing so people will eat it up. Well add the rest in dlc" that's how I imagine activision

[Palitera]

^ so either you're adopting sheep behavior or you just have a juvenile mind.

It amazes me how idiot people try to blame the publisher for the deep shortcomings of the game instead of the actual developer. Time is not what Destiny needed. The ridiculous design choices are what make the game average: repetition, insanely bad RNG (vanilla D3 level), non existing story, no reward for performance etc.

And even if the obviously cut content (or barebones vanilla, to sell DLC) can be pointed as Activision's fault, Bungie agreed with it and is together on this tramp.

So use your brain once in a while. This is the work of two companies, but much more from Bungie.

[FPS_D3TH]

You do realize Publishers do get ultimate say and if they feel they can squeeze out profits that yes indeed the Developer will have to make those changes. Look into it, read developer interviews. It happens for sure. Why do you think bf4 was so messed up but hardline got its delay. Because EA didn't allow dice the extra time. I don't think you realize how difficult it is to create a game to the standards we hold today. Especially a network heavy game like bf4 when we don't even really have fantastic networking infrastructure in north american to properly handle it with their initial design. This past year has basically been the optimization process the game should have gone through before release. It took so long because most of the team has likely moved to Star Wars. But you're kidding yourself if you think the person whose holding all the cash isn't going to make you design your game to squeeze profits. It's their whole purpose, to make money and fund projects. But there are great publishers who will let the developers do their thing. Just not activision or EA. Though it seems EA may have learned from BF4 they have a long way to go.

[wita]

Ugh, you don't have to play Destiny for 100 hours, Bungie, to see that there are legitimate problems with the games. Their pre-release attitude toward reviewers and "hasty scores" really ticked me off.

With their budget, why *couldn't* they put more time into the world? I don't get it.

[OmegaShen]

You do know the 500m wasn't for making the game right?

[Mikelarry]

"That figure covers the game's development budget, marketing costs, and other various expenditures"

link: http://www.gamespot.com/art...

your point??, are you trying to tell me with some of that budget they did not have the resource to produce a better product and wasted it all on forbes and the like to make stupid quoted comments like " this is more than a game"

[Assassingamer136]

@omegashen Uhhhh yeah it was used for the game. Bungie was given 500 million for the development budget. They were given that money to ensure there are not limitations.

[OmegaShen]

Wow, Gamespot lol. I really don't trust that site, they called a DDoS attack a hack.

An did anyone ever think a huge amount went to actors? They aren't cheap.

[Palitera]

One word: DLC.

Most of the shortcomings are intentional for the same reason why CoD is not released with 25 maps.

Who would buy overpriced DLC if the game had 5 raids, 20 strikes, the missions weren't always the same in the same places, the 'planets' were actually open world big planets with meaningful exploration and cool stuff to do, instead of 4 or 5 small repetitive maps put together? You know, if repetition and DLC weren't the keywords?

You talk like this was a flaw on them. It's not. It is the appex if their de$ign $ucce$$.

And with this, I introduce you to Bungie.

[The Meerkat]

Its only a success if people buy it.

Destiny DLC will be competing with some pretty heavy hitters.

I'd rather buy GTAV PS4, MCC and COD than spend another penny on Destiny.

[BigBosss]

Good Lord what is happening to gaming industry these days! How hard is it to do something right and not mess up! If the Illuminati is involved in this I'm going to beat the living crap out of them and then beat the crap out of you guys!

[Exies7]

The Illuminati? Where the hell did that come from?

[WeAreLegion]

He was joking.

[beerzombie]

they are involved

[Hoffmann]

I wonder how many buyers of the game wished that too.

[XtraTrstrL]

One thing that hugely turned me off from this game before even trying the Beta and Alpha was the fact that Bungie stupidly chose to go with Activision.

[Mustang300C2012]

I don't get this. So we already know that the agreement from Bungie/Activison deal was that Bungie had complete control over creativity and ownership of the IP. In this case, WTH does it matter that it was Activision funding the project or EA, Ubisoft simply funding the project. The result of what has happened today and after all these years is on Bungie. Blaming Activison is a blind cop out especially with what we already know.

[Assassingamer136]

How was it stupid? They were given rights to the game and were payed 500 million in the process. Looking at the quality of the game they probably kept most of it lol

[Fkhalf16]

They wanted in on that COD $$$. Lol

[WeAreLegion]

That would have been nice. At the very least, I would have kept the game and bought the expansions.

[Exies7]

People sink in 100 hours because of the gameplay, not because of the content. The content is shallow and won't support the current vision of Destiny.

Players will eventually start dropping off in big numbers if they don't get with the program.

[Perjoss]

I feel like the first DLC should be free seeing as they basically admitted that the game has issues and is light on story and content.

[Dgander]

Even if the first DLC is free it still wont justify the current price and of the game. Anyone with a bit of common sense will stay away from this game and any future DLC or sequels. Who would have thought Bungie would turn out to be worse than EA?

[Drekken]

Are you kidding me? I have over 150 hours of time into Destiny across three characters. Sure the game needs more content, but to say the price isn't justified is just stupid. I see 10 hour long games sell for 60 bucks all year long. Step off the soap box.

[Dgander]

Youre already advertising DLC. I dont believe anything this guy is saying, you sold 1/4 of a game and then wish you put in more when youre advertising finished DLC?

[Pinkdolphinyfg]

Yea apologize for the games short comings and make it up in the form of paid dlc thats pretty fucking insulting if you ask me.

[Nolando]

Like adding a full fledged story and explaining any part of your universe...

[scark92]

To be fair, delaying the game would be a negative toward Bungie!

[EvilWay]

What about adding a damn story?

[radiantmind]

How about fixing the servers so I and many others don't get kicked off every 10 min with some arbitrary animal name for a code. In its current state I can't play the game. Waste of money and time on my part. This game is shit.

Just go to the forum help section and see how many people have this exact problem and bungie doing nothing to even address it. Using the excuse that it is our network not them. No where on the back of the box does it say you need a degree in network communication or a background in IT to get the optimal network preferences for this game to work. I have no problem with anyother online game. Not even BF4 in its worst state sucked this bad.

[phoenixjonathan1992]

If your getting getting booted every 10 minutes then its your internet connection not the game go to www.speedtest.net and post your results

[Reaper29r]

I think he's just exaggerating a bit, to stress the point he gets kicked off a lot. I've been kicked 6 times in 1 day, and I have a 30mb connection. BF4 on my PS4, titanfall, forza 5, and planeside2 all work just fine so it's definitely not my connection. So I think he is telling the truth.

[mochachino]

I have very mixed feeling about this. While I found Destiny's story atrocious and am excited they're working on fixing it, I don't feel it's fair to charge me more money to fix their mistakes. If it's 8-10 hrs then ok, but if it's 2-3 like most story DLC then that's unacceptable.

[DanZeeMan]

Instead you pump out DLC for £20.00 & expect everyone to have a coke & a smile! Disgusting!!!!

[Graey]

What should have happened is they should have either given this first DLC as a free or very inexpensive content update, or just delayed and added it to the other DLC and called it an expansion.

[BattleTorn]

I'm still loving it, and playing it incessantly!

HAH HA HA! Nothing you can do about it!

Bring on the DLC!

[Graey]

I agree with your right to play it and there is nothing wrong with that. However I would stop at the part of you purchasing the DLC because it really doesnt add much value based on the actual game and how much it costs. I mean you are going to do what you want, but still when we as the collective gamer decides on how we are going to deal with shoddy tactics then we will have better games for our money. Kickstarter is a very good example of this.

[TheLastColossus]

I dont blame Activision at all, 5 years was more than enough

[ATi_Elite]

Bungie president "I wish we would of never made that stupid decision to stop making Halo"

[ATi_Elite]

Bungee president "I wish we would of never made that stupid decision to stop making Halo"

[Revengeance]

Yeah. We all do.

[SINISTERGENESIS]

I love the hypocrites on this site lol most are ok but there are a good plenty that said it was the best game ever and people like me who saw through their BS from the beginning were labels as idiots,hipsters, etc. This is all too facking funny

[rhap]

It's funny how they called the dlc an "expansion" and numbered it. Scary when you compare it to REAL EXPANSIONS from other games that add new classes, new areas, new bosses, new mechanics, new ways of playing the game. They are trying to give more value to their DLC by calling it EXPANSION.

We will probably get to "expansion" XV in 2 years.

[Graey]

Yeah it really is sad. I mean the game plays really well and that I hand it to them, but I can see this scam coming a mile away, thanks in part to D3 I'm very experienced in this practice.

[gangsta_red]

They should have never made this game for 360/PS3. It should have been a next gen title only. Granted when production started the next gen specs weren't available but they could have made it for the highest spec known and go from there.

Or they just should have marketed this game as a MMO. At least then I wouldn't feel too bad for when they try and shove extra content and DLC up our butts.

[Flames76]

Thats what you get bungie for leaving microsoft and going to activision.When bungie did the halo series they had all the time they needed to finish their game.This is very very sad to see bungie fade away like this

[KontryBoy706]

Ya think?

[Graey]

I fell for this with Diablo. the same spin on the same problems that come up when dealing with games from Activision. So to that end, this time i will just wait. I really want the Destiny experience to be a single player option. I'm curious to see what changes they make over the next 10 years, but in order to do that they really have to redo some of their ways if they want to continue to hold the player base that long. Also 10 years is a very long time in a gamers lifecycle. Could be what one poster said about churning out sequels/expansions year after year..

[Evil-Gouki]

Money talks!
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[Stapleface]

My favorite comments are when people call the game repetitive (which almost every game ever is) and then they say they can't wait for the Halo: MCC so they can REPEAT everything they have already done before. They want to REPEAT the same story missions and MP maps all over again, on purpose, while REPEATING something else, called paying for it. LOL People are stupid.

[CaspuR]

Dude destiny was repetitive my first play through, in the gaming world repetitive means boring, something you do not enjoy doing over again. All games by nature are repetitive, but most, and i do mean most, games do a better job at hiding there repetitive nature than destiny did.

[BattleTorn]

Exactly.

What was the greatest feat of Halo?

Legendary. Which also was REPEATING missions, just like Destiny's Weekly's

[Dirkster_Dude]

He mentions what game do you play 100s of hours on? My answer would be games like: Fallout 3, Borderlands, Grand Theft Auto, Read Dead Redemption, etc. This game is basically a multiplayer shooter with a very thin wrapper of RPG elements that do not work for me.

[Slugfest321]

gus please dont fall for this paying for a story that should have come with the game. Many people said they would do this sell the story in dlc and it seems this is what they are doing :(

[CrowbaitBob]

It's not about the price not being justified because of the lack of content compared to other games. It's a matter of the price not being justified because of the content compared to Bungie's promises.

If I offered you a steak dinner for $10 and you ended up with a ham sandwich would you say "hey, I've seen ham sandwiches that cost more than $10 so it's perfectly fine"?

Bungie publicly aspired to the story in Destiny being epic on a level comparable to Star Wars. In terms of what was provided, Destiny is a sad joke.

The core gameplay is great in my opinion, but that's not enough to support what Bungie touted through all of their developer diaries leading up to release. Go watch the dev diaries and tell me Bungie wasn't talking out of their ass.

[listenkids]

They did. It was just cut out for DLC.

[JGaLaXY815]

I can't deal with all of you knuckleheads SLAMMING THIS GAME, GAMEPLAY IS KING, there is no other FPS that delivers on everything this game does...I dont get it. What FPS can I do a 6 person raid, have PvP, 3 People Strikes, upgrade my guns/weapons/armor/ change my shaders, yet you ZOMBIES HAVE NO COMPLAINTS GIVING $15 for some reused COD MAPS they were just used 1 year prior...I DONT GET IT, I understand the complaints about content and story, but this game is not garbage, the gameplay and mechanics shits on everything else that has come out this year, good day!