PC GPUs Outperforming PS4 GPU Does Not Matter, The Last of Us PS3 is Proof of That

White Paper Games' Pete Bottomley speaks about making the best of a generation's hardware.

[Future_2015]

This is a joke right? last of us on ps3 ran at 30fps at 720p with almost no anti aliasing

[MasterCornholio]

So what your saying is that the Last of Us is a bad game because it ran in 720P, 30FPS with no antialiasing?

[piroh]

what´s better, tLoU in 720p 30fps or tetris in 4k 60fps?

tLoU remastered is one of the best looking games out there. games arent made by hardware, games are made by people

[pornflakes]

well, since 1080p nowadays is all it matters, than yes... last of us is a bad game /s

[Xsilver]

@pornflakes
different generations boyo

[MasterCornholio]

@Above

All im saying is that even though the game on the PS3 ran in 720P, 30FPS and with bad aliasing its still an excellent game.

I agree that the PS4 version is much better though since thats the own i own and it plays marvelously.

@Pornflakes

Nope even at 720P its still better than most current gen games except for the Last of Us on PS4.

[GameNameFame]

What ps4 really excels imo is the value, or biggest bang for your bucks.

Yes. PS4 may not be as strong as PC, but optimization is through the roof.

You will never get price to performance ratio and ease of playing. Even if you buy the game, PC games require some work. Some set up if you want to play on TV.

[Mithan]

No but most people today think it is, judging from all the hate everytime a game is released on one of these new POS consoles that doesn't get to 1080p/60fps.

[blitz0623]

Lmao and Future's comment is exactly why it does not matter that PC GPUs are better. TLoU ran at 720/30 w/ no anti aliasing and looked gorgeous and better compared to other games @1080/60 on a $600+ PC

[asmith2306]

That's exactly what he is saying. Unfortunately, the PC doesn't have dedicated developers that are capable of making a game as good as TLOU.

[andrewer]

So why are PS4 fanboys complaining so much about AC Unity 900p@30fps? These fanboys leave the impression that every PS4 user is graphic lover. I mean, "Won't buy because it's 900p@30fps", it's just ridiculous. And yeah I've seen it. Then you come and say the game is good even though the graphics ain't excellent. What the hell is this, double personality?

[decrypt]

@all of the above

Pick a 8800GTX equip it with any quad core CPU and watch it run almost any last gen game 1080p.

Now the 8800GTX is 2.5x as powerful as the PS3 on paper. 1080p is 2x the pixels of 720p. This just goes to shows you console optimization isnt what devs make it out to be. If console optmization was so good then why could the PS3 not run most of its games in 1080p?

Surely covering the power gap between an 8800GTX and PS3 would have been possible if console optimization was so good.

Expect the same this gen. Expect PS4 to perform on par with a 7870.

How else can console makers hype their machines when their specs are so weak compared to even mid range PCs. All they can play is the optimization card, which to good extend isnt true. PC optimization itself is darn good. Console optimization mostly consists of Using little to No AA (infact its the consoles that introduced using blur filters instead of true AA), No AF, smaller draw distances, less foliage, lower res textures. Now if you believe all of that is optimization, it goes without saying all of that can be done on PC too.

Now sure it goes without saying some games might be badly optimized for a certain platform. Both console and PC have their share of those, when you have an optimized game on console there is nothing that can be done about it. However on PC there is the option of dealing with such games with brute force.

[AliTheSnake1]

And it looked better than any PC from 2007 or even 2008 can ever do.

[blackmagic]

If a PC outperforming a ps4 doesn't matter then a ps4 outperforming a ps3 doesn't matter either.

Worst logic ever.

[wsoutlaw87]

this argument is so old and stupid. A games graphics is not how many pixles it has. TLOU looked better than the 1080 games last gen. Any system could run a game at 1080p there is just always compromises. Consoles will look better than pcs with similar specs especially as time passes, but there will always be some pcs that are more powerful.
@andrewer you know the complaints are about the parity not simply the resolution.

[Deividas]

@Andrewer

Yup. Thats why I dont even bother with this crap anymore. Every console owner says that graphics dont matter to every PC owner, but then go out and bitch about resolution and say they are boycotting a game because its not 1080p on their console. Or even the whole "oh my console does 1080p and yours doesnt"....but resolution doesnt matter I thought.... And keep bringing up TLoU. Its ridiculous at this point. If you think the game will be fun for you, then buy the game and stop bitching about everything.

[Badassbab]

@piroh TLoUR is NOT one of the best looking games out there. It's clearly a last gen game running at 1080/60fps.

[Vegamyster]

Based on the title of the article i don't think that was his point.

[BattleAxe]

Console gamers just don't get it. Nobody is saying anything close to TLoU being a bad game. The article is basically saying that processing power doesn't matter.

It seems that when comparing the PS4 to the XBOX One, that PS4 fans love to talk about how powerful the PS4 is compared to the XBONE, but when the comparison to PC comes up....it doesn't matter, just look at TLoU.. it's just stupid lol

[decrypt]

Console gamers.. Dont care about graphics.

[Justjoined123]

What lol? thats not even what he said...

[Patrick_pk44]

I am quite shocked people are saying TLOU is one of the best looking game. I completely agree that it is the best looking game on the 6th gen console, but no were near close to the PS4, Xbone, especially when compared to PC games.

[starchild]

I love The Last of Us, but it's pretty ridiculous the way some fanboys run to that game for everything. It's always "nah nah nah your platform sucks because it doesn't have The Last of Us" or "The Last of Us is the best looking game EVER" or "The Last of Us won more goty awards than any game on your crappy system".

For hell's sake, it's one game. And it's a fantastic game, but it's not the only fantastic game. What are you going to do...play that one game over and over and over?

And people are plain delusional saying The Last of Us looked better than anything on PC. For one thing Crysis came out on the PC in 2007 and is a much more graphically advanced game than TLOU. Not to mention the many games that came out on PC thereafter that looked much better than the TLOU--games like Crysis 2, The Witcher, Far Cry 3, Tomb Raider, Splinter Cell Blacklist and Metro Last Light, to name a few of the more prominent ones.

Did The Last of Us look amazing for the hardware it was running on? You betcha. Does it beat everything on PC? Nope. I could go into a detailed analysis of what the game is doing from a technical perspective and why it does not beat many PC games, but this comment is already longer than most people will read, and most people with working eyes can already see the truth of this. Those delusional few won't be swayed by any amount of facts or reasoning anyway.

[TXIDarkAvenger]

He never said it was a bad game. Simply said PC GPUs outperforming PS4 GPU does matter and saying otherwise is absurd.

[Ezz2013]

@andrewer

Because Ps3 is not Ps4
stop trying to compare Last gen to next gen

also this is beyond stupid
Why this click bait article trying to compare closed consoles that can't get hardware upgrade
to open System like PC which get hardware upgrades all the time ?!

[dantesparda]

@ponflakes
Dumb fanboy belief, even if it was said with tongue in cheek (yes, i see that sarcasm tag). Its a dumb fanboy talking point.

@andrewer
Even dumber fanboy nonsense and belief. And this site should be ashamed of itself for giving him more agrees than disagrees. But the reason you have more agrees is because the MS fanboy love that stupid talking point even if its not true! Sony fanboys arent saying every game has to be 1080p or has to be 1080p to be good. But are rather complaining about the fact that they think that their systems version is being gimped because of the technically inferior X1. If the PS4 can run the game at 1080p then they want it running at 1080p not 900p to make it equal with the X1 ver. You Sony hating fanboys get that? Probably not!

And Decrypt is right, but neither fanboys like to hear the truth. And Decrpyt stop saying that, its not true and its stupid. And its just another talking point (that console gamers dont care about graphics) made up by you.

[AuToFiRE]

How good the game is has nothing to do with a horrendously outlandish statement this is. This is about physical hardware and its horsepower. Think of fps and resolution as speed and weight of a vehicle. 30fps @ 720p is the equivalent of your grandmothers electric wheelchair. Whereas 60+fps @ 4K+ resolutions are the equivalent of a 40 ton tank traveling at 400kph (Which you can get right now for the price of $150 on PC)

A game that can reach 60 fps @ 1080p should be at bare minimum a standard for console gaming because you are paying an astronomical fee for something you can get for half the cost elsewhere. Why should YOU defend a corporation that is literally rooking you out of your money without you being any the wiser?

Did you know you could run GT4 on the PS2 in 1080i at 60fps? Whats your excuse for not being able to 20 years later?

[kingdom18]

@andrewer Because Ubisoft is purposely gimping the game, just like they did with PC Watchdogs, they should not be able to get away for any more stunts like that.

[Azzanation]

What his saying is due to hardware limits TLOU had to be watered downed. If TLOU was released on PC last gen it would look even better then the PS4 version. Just imgaine games like TLOU or Halo 4 running in 4k with MSAAx8 @60 with every effect. Games are good even if there watered downed however a good game that looks even better is a better game. Quality doesnt come cheap.

[Cernunnos]

He never said TLOU was a bad game, he is saying that the GPU matters, because TLOU would have been even better at 1080 60fps, and even better at 1440p 144fps with G-sync.

[kingduqc]

People bought it twice to play on ps4 in 1080p, if it was on pc they would of saved 70$ and being able to play 4k 60fps if they wanted tob egin with.

[Wizard_King]

ahahahahahahahha TLOU, what a joke. Oh and it's gaming bolt, that says it all right there but here I go.

ANYBODY that agrees with this article is just a Sony fanboy. I thought you guys where done flogging that dead horse of a game but no. The Sony masses that have already taken my bubbles will click disagree on mass anyway, to make themselves feel better about having stuff all to play.

TLOU was good looking (for a PS3 game at the time) but is nothing to 100's of PC games. To argue otherwise is pointless.

It has little to no replay value. Still a good story in the same way MGS games are, but without the replay value.

Dumb blind and deaf AI that ignore you right in front of them.

Infinite ammo AI that doesn't drop guns or ammo.

limited at best multiplayer that has worn its self out after 15 hours max.

Hallway levels with fairly easy (child easy) puzzles.

nooooooooooooooow.

Get on my level, my PC is now 2 and half years old.
i5-3570k at 4.4ghz on air
18gig 2400mhz DDR3
3x GTX670 OC in SLi popwering my BenQ XL2430T 24in LED 144Hz Gaming Monitor
all running on SSD's

I get that my monitor is worth more than a PS4 but the rest of the rig isn't that expensive and iv'e built it over time and i'm playing my games all the way back to 1995 on it.

Try playing games like ARMA 3 and Star Citizen then see if you want to play TLOU anymore? Meanwhile I am still playing other new games like Shadow of Mordor and Beyong Earth and huge list of others I haven't touched yet (all purchased cheaper than consoles or not available on consoles) instead of remakes if old games. When you have a good gaming rig, there really is nothing about either console that makes me want to own one.

TLOU please. SMH, grow up children. This game proves nothing more than the power of blind fanboyism. Wanders down to local Game at the mall, oh look TLOU on PS3 is sitting on mass next to FIFA13/14 for $10 lol. PROOF

[ChickeyCantor]

Flock off. He said nothing about the creative quality. Sensationalism at its best.

[ProjectVulcan]

Not sure what the argument is here.

The last of us is an excellent game that proves consoles can be squeezed over time and create great experiences even as they age, but shows they are still entirely hardware limited and absolutely no match for a good gaming PC visually.

So the argument is....what? You can still make great games on any console even if it isn't as powerful as PC? Yes, that's obvious.

That PC is going to streak ahead technologically like it already is outstripping the consoles for graphics performance?

You don't say.

Carry on.....

[maniacmayhem]

"All im saying is that even though the game on the PS3 ran in 720P, 30FPS and with bad aliasing its still an excellent game."

So if that's the case and you get a well said, why is it that a lot of people on here are fussing about other games not being in 1080p?

Funny how when PC is brought into the equation, resolution and framerate doesn't matter and it's all about the game.

[ion53]

@andrewer... Double personalit? Wtf. You can't honestly think that the PS4 community is one person. And they complained not because that's all the PS4 can do, they complained about the fact that Ubisoft didn't 'max out' or use as much of the PS4's power as they could, as they said we LOCKED Both systems at 900p 30FPS

[Kumomeme]

people play game,not play resolution and framerate
also,the visual was developers effort,not solely hardware
tetris gonna be look like tetris even if it run using gtx780ti

[Kumomeme]

@wizard king actually pathetic pc beggar that jealous his glorious pc can't play some really good exclusive game
obviously he never play the game,just watching little gameplay video and saying the game like Arma which is he played on his glorious pc

also,he trying to compare tlou with fifa/pes?
lol are he blind?

[shisui717]

You are missing the point. He's not saying it's a bad game as long as you're used to 720/30fps (and lower, THoU suffred from serious dips). However if you are really used to 1080+/60fps+, anything lower is unplayble. Once you're used to high framerate, you can't go back.

[shisui717]

You are missing the point. He's not saying it's a bad game as long as you're used to 720/30fps (and lower, THoU suffred from serious dips). However if you are really used to 1080+/60fps+, anything lower is unplayble. Once you're used to high framerate, you can't go back.

[gangsta_red]

Wow!

All of a sudden when PC is thrust into this console war...NOOOOOW it's all about gameplay and great story telling. Now games at 720p and 30 fps is ok as long as the story is great.

I mean this is amazing how most here went ape when a game was 900p for PS4. Most run into X1 articles and start waving PS4 flags of 1080p when a game is a lower res for X1. Blogs are written about how graphics matter and are the king, people are threatening devs with boycotts when a game doesn't reach 1080p on the PS4.

But when PC steps in the room these guys quickly change their tune. All of a sudden exclusives, gameplay and story are the main key elements for making a great game.

I couldn't make this stuff up if I tried, it's way to unbelievable and at the same time true.

[Harold_Finch]

Resolution shouldn't matter anymore. The PC vs console argument should be over because, no matter the resolution, the games look amazing because of the technology they used to make it.

Look at The Order: 1886, Sunset Overdrive, Assassin's Creed Unity and The Tomorrow Children. They are the best looking games i have ever seen, not because of specs on paper but by the textures, the lighting and artisic vision behind them.

The only way games on the old gen look dated is if you compare them to current gen, vice versa for games like BF4, i didn't think that aesthetically looked "amazing" until i saw BF3 again running on 360.

[pompous]

I agree and the pc vs console argument should've never started because they were never direct competitors. It was only when consoles were able to have performance similar to pc's and/or same gaming experience that the elitist started to feel threatened or whatever their feelings were that a far cheaper piece of tech is giving the same experience that their expensive pride n joy is giving them.

A console game looks good and everyone in the comments section are impressed since consoles haven't had games like that and out of nowhere a pc elitist comes in downplaying everything. That scenario plays out all the time.

[Harold_Finch]

The console one shouldn't have started either, it is just free advertising for the companies.

People get excited for the reveal of these games when they see them on a 480p stream of E3, why does the resolution of those 480p stream games count i order to make the game "good" even, in ACUnity's case "purchasable"?

The higher, the better obvously but it's turned into a complete necessity now. Kind of a cult. It's not what games are about (what they WERE about anyway)

Perfect Dark on the N64 had a game mode where your friend could invade your game and try and stop you from finishing it, just a game mode. They are now making a game that is based solely around that. A WHOLE GAME centred around something that could easily be as small of a feature as a game mode. Is that the future of gaming, when N64's Perfect Dark had it as an unlockable feature?

[uth11]

Agree 100%. We are at a point where increasing resolution only vastly increases the amount of processing power needed to achieve it, the amount of memory required, and the amount of electricity consumed by the device.

But all that power produces marginal results. Most people can't tell the difference, unless they have a very large screen or sit very close to it.

[Mithan]

No! This is false! Games are only good if resolutions are high! Textures don't matter!

WAKE UP!!!

[D-riders]

Saying resolution shouldn't matter is one of the dumbest statements you can make. If that was true tlou remaster should still be 720 on ps4. Also why would any company sell 4k tvs. Resolution matters a whole lot. And next Gen it will matter even more. That doesn't mean a game doesn't have to have good game play. But you people are killing me with this resolution doesn't matter. Go back a play tetris then and leave the new great looking stuff to the people who it aren't crazy. From what your saying all games should run at sub HD cause resolution shouldn't matter. Fact is if a system can run at a higher resolution and Achieve 60 fps then it should. And fortunately it will run smoother and play better than a game running at less resolution and 20fps. If you say resolution doesn't matter why are you even playing video games. Why are company trying to make their games look and play their best.

[Mykky]

If people really cared so much about resolution and fps, they would have bought a Wii U as it has more games in 1080p with 60fps than ps4 and xbone.
Rather TLOU in 720p and 30fps than tetris in 1080p and 60fps as a guy above said.

[Patrick_pk44]

But with better hardware you can achieve more, but with hardware that is not upgradable it will eventually hold back video games that want to achieve more.

[starchild]

@Pompous

No, the reason most PC gamers comment is for the same reasons any other gamer comments. We enjoy games and want to share our experiences and perspectives with other gamers.

The other reason is that people like you speak nonsense about PC gaming and we feel obligated to set the record straight. You claim that consoles offer similar performance to PCs, but that simply isn't true. Games on PC offer better graphics, better fidelity and much higher framerates. Many console games struggle to even maintain 30fps, so how can you claim similar performance? If I can get a solid 60fps on my PC versus 30fps (with drops) on my PS4 there's no way you can say the difference is minimal. Just because you are either too imperceptive or too biased to recognize or appreciate the differences doesn't mean they don't exist.

And it's BS the way you guys try to act like PC and consoles are completely different markets, but then you turn around and deny the concept of console exclusives on Xbox consoles just because they are on PC as well. If PC really isn't a direct competitor to consoles then there isn't a single reason in the world that those games shouldn't be considered exclusives, because supposedly the PC isn't even in the picture and those games are available on only one console. It's all a bunch of hypocritical flip-flopping. You can't have it both ways.

When you want to bash the Xbox fans you act like you guys all own gaming PCs and can just play those games on your super duper gaming rigs. But you don't actually care about PC gaming and you don't want your precious console to be compared with the PC so you try to push the PC out of the picture whenever it doesn't suit your Xbox-bashing agenda.

The reality is, PCs and consoles don't appeal to completely the same demographic, but there is a very large degree of overlap. They are neither totally separate nor totally identical markets. Many gamers do own both consoles and gaming PCs. Some gamers switch from console gaming to PC gaming or vice versa. People do weigh and consider the pros and cons of each type of platform and some decide on a gaming PC and some decide on a console, or both. This clearly shows that at the end of the day these are all gaming devices and options for us all, and should be part of the conversation.

[alwayzbusi1]

The PC vs. console debate has been going on since pc and console games have existed. While the PC has the clear power advantage, console has the optimization advantage.

PC devs have to make their games with the "average system" in mind. This is the balance between a game that demands very little performance (the majority can run), and a game that demands very high performance (only a small percentage can run). For this reason, the majority of the excess power in high end machines is used for things that can be easily scaled like, better resolution, fps and aa.

While consoles are weaker than the high end PC rigs, new gen consoles are still able to keep up and even surpass PCs on the developmental side. Reason being new gen consoles are more powerful than that "average system" that PC devs have to keep in mind. The guaranteed high performance GPU and 8 gigs of RAM in new consoles set a new industry standard that will become the norm over this cycle.

With this new standard comes the true advancements in ai, physics, rich worlds ect. But this is nothing new, it's the way it's always been. Console sets the standard, and PC builds upon that standard in the following years.

[Kumomeme]

same things can be learn from uncharted and tlou on ps3,is that visual was from developer efforts,time and money
even if the hardware out dated,if the devs use right approach,it still will be amazing
same goes with those with wii u games

[Seafort]

@alwayzbusi1

Consoles may have 8GB in total but that is not all for gaming. You have maybe 5-5.5GB RAM available for gaming the rest is taken up by OS and other processes.

The consoles are pretty weak this gen due to the CPU. If that doesn't perform adequately everything else will suffer.

Consoles have never set any advancements they are just too weak for that. The new consoles are struggling to maintain a consistent 1080p/60fps. We've had 1080p on PC for years. AI, physics and anything else was on PC years before the new consoles were even thought of.

Consoles have always been behind the times. If you wanted to stay ahead and compete with PC gaming you'd have to pay $800-1000 for your consoles. Would you pay that price?

The only reason PC games are getting the stupid system requirements atm is because developers are lazy and ignorant of PC systems.

For example, Bethesda said consoles have 8GB VRAM so that must mean 4GB system RAM + 4GB VRAM is the equivalent on PC. It proves developers have no clue whatsoever about PC gaming.

[alwayzbusi1]

There is an optimization advantage but it's not really hardware or software, it's more financial. Let me explain. A PC dev could theoretically make a game so much graphic fidelity, that it would have to be severely downgraded to run on current consoles. I'm not just talking about framerate and resolution either. But major downgrades like textures, mapping, physics, and ai as well.

But in order to do tbis, the end user would need a GPU much faster than the PS4's. And there's your problem, PC devs simply cannot afford to make a cutting edge game that will require 99% of the userbase to upgrde.

This is why consoles set the standard in the beginning. With current consoles having powerful GPUs in 15 million homes, dev are starting to program for a higher minimum spec.Also with time, cards become cheaper as more advanced software becomes available. It's the way it's always been. By the end of this console cycle, we probably will see games not possible on console without huge downgrades. But as it stands now, thats just not the case.

Also, very high frames per second and resolution is a good indicator of just how much graphical power is being left on the able. Someone in the thread said it perfectly, 4k 120fps Tetris will never look as good as 720p 30fps The Last of Us. All in all PCs easily have the best tech but lack the software to take advantage of it.

[user5669510]

LMAO the flip flopping starts. sony gymnastics at its finest. non-sony fanboys bookmark this page.

suddenly
-res dont matter better texture and gfx thats better on a different is better?
-pc shouldnt be compared because it plays games too?huh? maybe because yall make excuses when yall fighting a loosing battle but pick on others.

" It was only when consoles were able to have performance similar to pc's and/or same gaming experience that the elitist started to feel threatened or whatever their feelings were that a far cheaper piece of tech is giving the same experience that their expensive pride n joy is giving them."

this never happened. beginning last gen consoles were able to perform similar, but now yall catching up to what pcs did years ago. these consoles launched and suddenly you fanboys see what we have been showing since last gen. how is it that people said it was no difference in gfx 2 years ago but suddenly you see them now. same thing happening now.

-suddenly by pc moving away from 1080p to higher res since the last couple of year means consoles perform the same.

-suddenly consoles still not able to run gfx settings thats on pc means it performs the same as pc even when a mid range pc can run them.

-suddenly new tech and price drops on old pc parts dont matter

-suddenly optimization on last gen consoles ps3/xb360 is compare to architecture that been here for the longest on the new console.

-suddenly pc gamers only care about gfx when we surport the most devs and a lot of games and devs that you love would even be here. look at steam, gog, gmg, humblebundle a lot of games you console fanboys would shun because the gfx isnt next gen. funny how people over look that.

-suddenly tlou was only good because gfx? lol where yall even get an example like this.

-suddenly since 5 years pc has not been getting better res, frame rate, draw distance, dov, dof, AA, anisotropic filtering, shaders, lighting, particle effects, physics, let not talk about like it dont come out first on pc then release on console now its new and revolutionary

-suddenly pc gamers problem is console gfx or what you truly want to say ps4 gfx catching up to pc. NO, its yall. its yall ps fanboys stinking up this site with constant bashing everyone that doesnt worship sony as their messiah. call yall selves gamers but ignore every other platform and downplay every platform yall feel threaten by. yall are the only ones threaten. we see everywhere. its just time yall get a taste of yall medicine because everyone is tired of it. xbox, ninty, pc, even old school sega are tired of yall.

yall cant see it because yall are the majority and yall to busy patting each other on the back after sucking each other off. yall are the problem not everyone else. proof? look above the reasons yall bash nintendo and xbone fans is now moot all a sudden.

oh and while pc games love gameplay its one thing we love more than anything is gameplay. look at the most popular game most likely yall asking for a port or saying it suck because gfx, or because it a mmo, rts, 4x, moba, or sim, game that yall just dont get. funny how these games with different and fun gameplay people use as cons for pc. didnt people downplay minecraft when it first started on pc, but now they see what pc gamers was raving about we could go on forever about wrong yall fanboys always are.

long rant because the one bub. thanks ps fanboys. maybe yall should be more humble and pc gamers would pick on yall like you do other gamers. because it nothing ps4 have over pc except for exclusive but every platform have that and we ACKNOWLEDGE that with every platform unlike yall.

[Why o why]

Thats one long bitter rant.....I apologise for not reading it all but from what I gather, you have a problem with ps supporters.

I never downplayed pc games personally just the platform. I've been both a console gamer then a pc gamer and there were times when I was both. For me its simple.... consoles compete against consoles. Pc are in their own league and within that league there's tiers. Not all pcs are equal. I find it common that pc guys love to defend the honour of xbox gamers. Its almost never the other way around.

Why didn't I see you guys ranting about xbox fans celebrating the extra blades of grass on gta 4 or telling them if they wanted better graphics that they should get pcs. Ill check lot and df comparisons......cant see ya...Double standards and selective memories.

Pc

Ps4

X1

Its that simple.....go whine elsewhere

[Deathdeliverer]

I thought my rants were too long until I saw this wall of text. *Summarized after skimming* Don't pick on people with other systems ps4 users because pc gamers have it better than anyone. And it makes him upset. *Done*
Sure you can have more effects on pc. But does the cost of said pc show a big enough convenience to warrant a purchase over a console. I think that's point. Buy shadow of mordor on pc and ps4. Sure you can customize your graphical output to a degree but the more boxes you tick, the more capable and in turn, expensive your rig was/is. Is that maxed Out setting worth, in some cases, the extra few hundred dollars. Currently I would say no. I game on everything before anyone jumps to conclusions.

[LogicStomper]

@Deathdeliverer

It's hilarious that you attempt to counter an argument when you've only (and I quote) "Summarized after skimming" it.

His argument is about the hypocrites who would declare 'A' of such importance one day, only to declare 'A'unimportant the next given the same context.

A quote from above:

"is exactly why it does not matter that PC GPUs are better. TLoU ran at 720/30 w/ no anti aliasing and looked gorgeous and better compared to other games @1080/60 on a $600+ PC"

Why was this 900p vs 1080p of such importance when comparing Xbox to Playstation, and now irrelevant when comparing Playstation to PC? Wasn't it all about the higher definition? Flip-flop.

Referring to TLoU on PS3:

"All im saying is that even though the game on the PS3 ran in 720P, 30FPS and with bad aliasing its still an excellent game. "

So why are Xbox games considered bad when it runs at a lower resolution? Flip-flop.

Just to save some typing of my own, one argument states:

" If the PS4 can run the game at 1080p then they want it running at 1080p not 900p to make it equal with the X1 ver."

And counter-argued, with:

"So why are PS4 fanboys complaining so much about AC Unity 900p@30fps? These fanboys leave the impression that every PS4 user is graphic lover. I mean, "Won't buy because it's 900p@30fps", it's just ridiculous. And yeah I've seen it. Then you come and say the game is good even though the graphics ain't excellent."

Another flip-flop.

I'm not digging any further, I believe my (and Consoleslateagain) point is proven.

[Lennoxb63]

Why do people keep talking about graphics when they are talking about resolution? They are not the same.

[wsoutlaw87]

exactly.

[OrangePowerz]

What games would a similar PC GPU run with 256MB RAM?

[sGIBMBR]

I always ask myself that question. The best bang for buck goes to consoles easily.

The PS3 produces much better results than a PC can of the same spec. I mean the limitation of 256MB RAM in the PS3 alone means you couldn't play no decent looking games on the PC of the past 8-10 years or so.

Even games like TF2 (which isn't no powerhouse) requires a minimum, and I emphasise the MINIMUM of 512MB RAM ( http://www.systemrequiremen...

[zerog]

It wouldn't even be able to run the last 4-5 versions of windows properly let alone a game lol. Thats just the one thing pc guys never get and thats bit for bit a console delivers better performance. There is no AAA game last gen that will run on a pc with the same specs as last gen and the same will be true this gen. Sure a pc can get better performance but you will need 2x or more power at a minimum and by the end of this gen it will likely be 4-5x minimum.

[Clunkyd]

lol and you think a PC with specs of a ps3 would run TLOU? Butthurt PC fanboy much...

[fullmetal297]

I dunno, maybe because it doesn't even exist on PC so we can't make really make a comparison.

[Clunkyd]

@fullmetal297

Quit denying logic, fanboy. 256mb of ram on a pc, if you think you can run games decently on that then you're lying to yourself. That's wishful thinking!

[thegood33]

What kind of a game would the PS4 run with 16 gigs of ram and a 4 gig video card?

Just ask a PC gamer...

[AndrewLB]

Wow. What a bunch of hypothetical nonsense you guys are posting while engaging in your PS4 circle-jerk. All this talk about 256mb ram just shows how mentally challenged some fanboys are. The facts are the PS3 has 256mb of XDR dedicated RAMBUS based graphics memory and can additionally allocate the remaining system memory for graphics use as well. Even with this feature, any PS3 game with decent graphics had to run at 720p.

Now look back at PC graphics cards from that Era. I have sitting on a shelf next to me an nVidia 8800GTS 320mb card that easily matches PS3's graphics capability because it produces over 50% more flops. In fact, it plays Mass Effect 2 at 1080p with PC level of detail just fine. Please show me the PS3 achieving that.

[illAmpRefugee]

what pc guys forget is that money does help the quality( graphics, gameplay, etc..) of games and all the big money devs make thier games with consoles as the lead platforms and pc gets ports so yea its not suprising to me that their are some console games that look better or just as good, as some of the games pc's have out.. becus while u guys were getting shit ports and bragging about ur powerfull pcs alot of big devs didnt give a shit becus none of them were utilizing that power. they were staying with the money *consoles so u pc guys were still getting the same engines as consoles yea the game might of looked better on pc but not as much as it could be if the devs would just make a new engine to utilize powerfull pc's potential. instead devs were continually pushing consoles capabilities and you see this alot with big money exclusives but yall still get ports that really dont do ur 1000$ pc all the justice it deserves. but hey that why i own a console they have thier benifits too rich ass devs who design thier engines specifically around consoles who will continually push consoles as times goes on btw money does play a part in quality of games and lets be honest the devs with big money are building thier games from consoles then porting to pc FACT. so lear5n before u speak engines do play a huge part in a games graphics and when consoles are being catered to by devs dont be suprised when these "peasent console games" look compariable even better then some ur pc games becus unline poor pc devs that have a 100$ budget to make a budget for a game consoles devs have millions'XXX' # consoles have thier benifits too #console master race 3 reasons $$$dev money, exclusives, and overall dev support

[Brazz]

you do realise that games like Last of US, Skyrim and Destiny are runing on a machine from 2006! A Machine whit a 2006 GPU/CPU and only 512MB of memory for the system and for the GPU...

Now... for real...A PC with the best GPU / CPU at the time (2006) and up to 2GB total memory ( I am offering you four times more memory than the PS3 ! ) Could not play that game !

This is the magic of consoles! they do much more with far less hardware!

[decrypt]

8800GTX says hi, runs Skyrim in 1080p with mods. Much better than PS3 ever could.

[yewles1]

"8800GTX says hi"

Oh hai dar, graphics card that costs $50 - $150 more than my whole console...

[AndrewLB]

I have an old 8800GTS 320mb that still outperforms any PS3 game and I paid $230 for it brand new way back in 2007.

yewles- The 8800GTX was a much faster card than a PS3 and it cost less than the PS3. Sorry. Try again.

[yewles1]

Hey andrew, why'd you just lie about the 8800GTX's cost? $650 is still $650, and that was still $50 more than a 60GB PS3 and $150 more than a 20GB PS3. MSRP is still MSRP...

[Lior]

PC GPUs outperforming PS4 GPU does not matter.....900p games says so, your game developers are going to new lows to keep you happy saying 30fps is more cinematic jesus christ WAKE UP!

[Jughead3416]

Piroh Wrote:
"what´s better, tLoU in 720p 30fps or tetris in 4k 60fps?"

Testris. All day. I play my best tetris when I'm doing the number 2.

[aquamala]

why listen to this guy lol, he actually said

“I honestly don’t know too much about the hardware side of things"

[BitbyDeath]

You couldn't even load windows on 512mb let alone the game.

[1OddWorld]

To those who are attempting to spin this into a debate about last gen 720p being ok, then this gen 720p should be ok. You are sorely mistaken. This gen is all about 1080p. Is there anything wrong with games being in 720p (No), but you shouldn't see the competition delivering 1080p at the same price. There has to be factors that you can see that differentiate last gen from this gen and PS4 is the only one reliable doing that.

As we are just comparing the gaming side of things: PS4 is next gen and XB1 is a upgraded 360. Now I hope you can "Snap" your head around that :D

[Spenok]

No this isn't a joke. TLoU was one of THE best graphically intensive games, and on last gen hardware. FPS and Resolution aren't all that matter. Yes, they are important, and more FPS and higher resolution are better, no one is arguing that. However, they don't make or break a game. If that were the case, games like Zelda OoT, or Super Metroid, Mario 64 suddenly all suck right?

[d3nworth1]

Completely missed the point. Last of Us was done on a 7 year old console that was hard to develop for with and even older gpu and ended up being one of the best looking games of the generation.

[Killzoned]

A lot of people seem to be misunderstanding or something.
The Last of Us LOOKS fucking amazing if you consider how really outdated the PS3 GPU is.

That's why some consoles games looking fricking epic because when it comes to developments they don't really have to look at multiple GPU's, systems requirements etc they just fully focus on the machine that is in front of them. eg XBOX/PS Exclusives always tends to look amazing.

Now imagine what they could do if they had something like a GTX 980 and that they were able to utilize it completely, fucking mind blown

[JMyers]

@ Future 2015...

Hmmm... It still looked great though, and had amazing gameplay. That's the point.

[hiredhelp]

Cant we seperate consoles from PC fedup with these flambait articles.
Benifits both sides get over it.

[Rodney25]

This whole argument is old. If I want the most powerful hardware out, I'd go for a PC. But that only matters to an extent most games on PC don't interest me so what do I do. I get a console. I have a PS4 and soon I'll get a Wii U. I can't play 4 and U games on my PC. Now when talking about how powerful the ps4 is you compare to consoles. We aren't comparing it to a PC maybe cost of the two but not power. There's no point on one side you have a set hardware with specs you can't change on the other you have the exact opposite. There is no longer a point.

[Rik_Mayall]

It had nice character models but a lot of muddy ass environment textures on the PS3.

it looks so dated when you compare it to the PS4 version.

Props obviously to ND for making it happen on the PS3 with its age and all but, the PS4 version just embarrases it.

[daBUSHwhaka]

Totally agree.TLOU on PS3 looked good for that generation and was up there with the best looking games on PS3 if not the best,but then they release it for PS4 and its like WTF,it looks stunning.Most of the photo's I've took are just breathtakingly gorgeous and puts last gen to shame.ND really do know how to work with the hardware they are given.Hats off to them and with UC4 still to come this developer really is gonna raise the bar so high.

[JMyers]

@shloobmm3

Although Gears looked amazing, up close the graphics were choppy. Things like draw distance, textures etc were not that great upon close inspection.

Also there was no major leap between the Gears games that I could see. But when you look at UC 1 compared to 2, then TLOU, the differences are vast.

Thats just my opinion.

[LightofDarkness]

Ah, attention grabbing headlines. Don't feed the trolls people. Remember to clicktthose story/site quality buttons.

[SteamPowered]

Thanks for the reminder. I really need to do that more often.

[Software_Lover]

What? Where did this come from?

TLOU was a great game but by no means was it proving anything.

[asmith2306]

It proved that gameplay, story, etc. matter more than graphics and always will. Not to say it wasn't a good looking game. It was a very good looking game given the hardware it was on.

[Big_Game_Hunters]

"gameplay"

[kingduqc]

To be fair, it brought nothing new at all, just refined existing models.

I'd hardly consider this a game, the exciting part of it are cinematic.

[masterfox]

TLOU is not only the prove of that, the main reason is the CELL processor, I bet if they could it placed again the Cell into the PS4 and with the 8 GB of GDDR5(<-- FIVE not same as 3!!) not even the best PC gaming rig could match it.

look at the 360 all the last gen period couldn't match not even the first Uncharted game in terms of everything! and even thou the 360 had more ram ;)

[ShowanW]

Ur last sentence just derailed ur credibility..

Not gonna front, TLoU on the PS3 looked amazing for what ND had to work with.
TLoU it's stunning on the PS4...

All the UnCharted games look good

But to knock the 360 is just being one sided about things.
The Gears Trilogy looked and still looks good at it's dated age.

[xtremexx]

his last sentence? not even the first one?

[ShowanW]

@xtremexx... I usually try and give benefit of a doubt...

[lolosgolos]

Halo 4

[Jaqen_Hghar]

the best looking 360 game but did not surpass Heavy Rain, Beyond 2 Souls, Uncharted 2 and 3, TLoU, or GoW3 or Ascension in the looks department.

[PCpower]

This proves you are an idiot that knows nothing about PCs. The Latest Intel i7 gets well over 25,000 PPD on Folding at Home client where as the most you could get on the PS3's cell was 1000 to 1200 PPD. Therefore, the CELL processor is easily destroyed in performance by our modern day X86 processors in our PC's.

Sony would have screwed up if they went with the Cell processor this time. It is 2014, not 2006. Cell is weak now and even IBM stopped fooling around with it.

[ShockUltraslash]

This is funny.

[BigBosss]

I love playing on all PS, Xbox, PC and WiiU. At the end of the day its all about having fun not competition on which is better then which blah blah blah. Picking up Sunset Overdrive, Dragon Age for PS4, Halo MCC, etc.

[scark92]

Games like ICO and SOTC should tell people that graphics are only a bonus, IMO Gameplay>Story>Graphics. ..

I loved Dragons Dogma, had no interest in Story or Graphics, the gameplay is what kept me coming back.

[hollabox]

I would have probably used God of War as a better example. I was not all too impressed with The Last of Us on the PS3. Good characters graphics but a lot of blurry textures and slow down. God of War Ascensions visuals still looks better than most of all third person next gen games with only Ryse, Infamous being the cream of crop that's currently out. Beyond 2 Souls is another game that can go toe to toe with any next gen game with the exception of the two titles mentioned and maybe Metal Gear GZ.

[MAULxx]

Who wants to spend tons of money on hardware just to have glorified rentals with Steam being your game keeper?

Also, it looks like more & more console games are hoping into only online set ups. Look at Destiny & the upcoming Crackdown. The Division might possibly be doing this as well. I want to be able to play my games 10-15 years from now or later. As long as I have the hardware I should be able to play the single player portion. People don't think ahead & I'm guilty too. I bought Destiny when I should have bargain binned it.

Yes, this is a bit off topic but it's a concern I had to let out.

Thanks for reading.

[PCpower]

Steam games are not a rental, idiot. They are yours forever. I can play my games I purchased on any PC for the rest of my life. A rental means you cannot own it for the rest of your life.

[MAULxx]

You might trust Valve to keep your game collection for you for your whole life but I don't.
Valve has your games & if they decide to call it quits or something terrible happens, you may realize that it was all just vaporware that went poof. I don't trust any company or corporation to hold my games for me. I don't care how long they've been around. Ten years from now I may want to pop in one of my old games & replay it. Steam may still be here or may be a distant memory. It won't matter, I'll still be able to play because I own my games/have the ability to play them without any dictation from Steam, MS, or Sony.

Never buy a game you can't own Kid, unless it's $5 :)

[Qrphe]

You only really own your games from Steam according to European law.

[OldDude]

Stick to consoles because you have no business talking about PC's with that dumb Steam rental comment

[SteamPowered]

Guy, valve doesn't stream the game and you don't rent it. Judging from your comments you just do not know how it works. You still buy the game and you still install it. Steam is just the distribution system. They just add great things like in-home streaming, family sharing, achievements, etc. the game is still physically on your Pc.
You should actually research Steam before denouncing them.

[d3nworth1]

Steam isn't a rental service. Even if you delete the game off you harddrive it is still part of your library so you can download it again later without paying again. PSN and xboxlive both do the same thing. I get what you're saying though. I general choose disc over digital with the vita being the only exception. I find it annoying when you just want to relax and play your game and a messages pops up saying they need to verify your account.

[ape007]

gta v on ps3/360 is even more impressive than the already phenomenal looking TLOU ps3

[lolosgolos]

That's very true

[XVRocklee]

it is sad to see this never ending war </3 when will we get along and share our experiences :'(.

[MegaRay]

Drama queen...

[TheBrownBandito]

Mega mouth

[PersonMan]

When the Last of Us came out on PS3, it used lighting tech that I've never seen a PC do in any game. The fact that the PS3 could pull of great graphics like this in impressive.

Most PC games are just higher resolution versions of the console game. The developers don't really take the PC version to the "next level" so to speak. They just give it higher resolution textures and smoother shadows, but the lighting model stays the same.

Now that the CONSOLES are more powerful, you're starting to see PC games that look way better than last gen games because since the new consoles are able to push better lighting, you'll get that same lighting tech on PC.

So yeah, PC only advances substantially after consoles do.

Look at Crysis 3. PC had super high res textures and tessellation, but overall, it still looked like a last gen game. Now imagine if Crysis 3 was made with PS4 in mind... You'd get tessellation, great textures and next-gen lighting which really makes the game look realistic.

Many people think that games are all about resolution and texture resolution, but lighting plays a huge factor in making a game look realistic.

[tee_bag242]

I get what your saying and agree with it for the most part. I'd disagree that Crysis 3 looks anything last gen compared with newer games now. Boring gameplay aside, It still looks better and far more impressive than Ryse running on max settings on a PC or anything I've even seen on my PS4 thus far.
But like you've said, lighting has improved drastically with this gen games and that has raised the standard on PC multiplatfroms.
But some new gen games don't make a graphical leap at all on PC when compared against a similar last gen game.
A perfect example is LOTR Shadow of Mordor, it barely looks better than the older title LOTR War in the North on PC.

[GamingTruth]

you must have a different ps4 than me

[darren_poolies]

Are you blind or something? Shadows of Mordor looks fantastic

[LAWSON72]

TLOU was blurry, jaggy and washed out on PS3. It is not proof of anything, the game looked good because the art talent at ND. Halo 4, Crysis 2/3, BF all suffer the same problems on last gen consoles. IMO this idea last gen had some magical optimization is a load of crap, because they all look low res with low-medium PC settings at a whopping 30 fps.

[Jaqen_Hghar]

The examples of great optimization don't stop there. GoW Ascension, GoW3, Uncharted 2 and 3, Beyond 2 Souls, Heavy Rain, and many other PS3 games still hold up wonderfully today. In fact there's not one that a man goes "uh these graphics are making it hard to play!" mainly because a man is not a graphics whore. He still plays PS1 games and gets just as much out of them. What is and will always be the selling point of Sony and Nintendo consoles and the reason a man enjoys playing on them better than any monster PC is their exclusive game experiences that he can go back to time and again! Like most gamers on those systems it's the exclusives that sold it (though having better effects, resolution, draw distance, and/or more stable framerate on PS4 versions of games is a nice BONUS over the competition)

[yewles1]

That had almost NOTHING to do with GPU power. What the hell are these guys talking about?

[PaleMoonDeath]

During the PS1 days, there were stronger PC's to play games on, during the PS2 days, there were stronger PC's to play on, During the PS3 days, there were also stronger PC's to play on.

Nothing has changed, consoles dictate how games sway and evolve due to the extreme popularity and cash they knab for developers. These articles reveal nothing, PC's will always be stronger and consoles will always be the mainstream gaming monster.

[GamingTruth]

but pcs will always get trashed compared to any 'console' exclusive

[PaleMoonDeath]

No mate, you'd be surprised how many people don't even know PC's play video-games, or that these machines even have exclusive games, we are the minority of the gaming market. The casuals want a Playstation or an Xbox to get an easy, quick and familiar fix for Fifa or COD.

Isn't difficult to see, people like us don't mean that much in the bigger picture. Consoles will always sell superior and keep video-games going. (Those of you who don't agree, there isn't anything to disagree with, this is how it is)

[Qrphe]

This is only true if you're not a 7th gen kiddie. Everyone knows this except for the fanboys arguing PC vs consoles into oblivion with decade-old arguments ad nauseum.

[jmc8888]

It doesn't make much sense.

Power is power. A game is a game.

A great game can be had on any platform or power.

But with more power things can be more intricate and look prettier.

So if all else is equal, a great game on one console, can be more intricate and look prettier on a PC. Thus GPU power DOES matter.

It'll give me the same great game experience, but run smoother, look prettier, and be more intricate.

What is it that people don't get. Would TLOU having better graphics, higher framerate, and a greater resolution not be the same great game, but with better aesthetics? Would that not mean it is better then the version without those improvements? Of course. If I'm wrong, why did they bring out a REMASTERED TLOU. Something that if they made a PC version when they made the original, it would probably of looked something like that. So it doesn't matter, but when TLOU was remastered, it made it a better experience right? Enough of one to actually make that game for the new platform... right?

But it is not an option because its a console exclusive. It's just the vast majority of games are not tied down like this.

Thus with a PC you play 90 percent of games on consoles, and overall have a higher quality experience in those 90 percent of games.

Consoles and PC's are great. They both fill a niche, and are great to have.

Both PC's and consoles will make better use of their power as time goes on.

They should also ask the opinion of someone who is knowledgeable. Here is this quote from Bottomley "it’s only natural that they will outperform a PS4 at some point"

That sort of answer would be like asking me, a guy, about lipstick. It's clear he is clueless about hardware.

I mean Seriously. They ask a guy who is unaware that PC GPU's have been better then the PS4's for 3+ years, and he merely says again, his quote "it’s only natural that they will outperform a PS4 at some point".

At some point was 2011, if the author wants to make a point, and then call it 'proof', perhaps he should choose someone who knows ANYTHING about PC GPU's.

[GamingTruth]

then why doesnt pc have order 1886 graphics or even infamous second son graphics, please tell me

[sorane]

Because you have too much sony gunk in your eyes to see it. Star Citizen blows both those games out of the water graphically and every other sony game announced. It also doesn't have to limit itself to tight linear corridors or a bland empty city to accomplish it. Oh and Crysis 3 and Ryse PC are still the best looking games released by far. Well those along with modded Skyrim and GTA4 that is.

[Pandamobile]

Oh GamingTruth.

Your comments always bring a smile to my face. You're like the perfect straw man console gamer. Your comments indicate that you have IQ of a turnip and you can't seem to listen to reason or possess the capacity to engage in a meaningful discussion with.

Graphical style is a subjective matter. You may like the graphical style of one game more than another, but that does not mean that x looks better than y. Yes, the Order 1886 has some pretty good looking graphics, but that's not going to really impress someone that's been playing games like Crysis for the last 7 years. The reason you don't see games like The Order 1886 popping up on PC is because there really isn't much of a demand for them. The "cinematic", linear experience doesn't have much of a draw for a class of gamers that for the most part have moved to multiplayer shooters, strategy games, MOBAs and MMOs.

So you see, you're witnessing the Post-Graphical era of PC gaming, where anyone that really cared for video game graphics in the last ten years has seen pretty much all there is to see at this point. Pushing the boundary with graphics on PC doesn't equate to sales like it used to. Now that's moved into console-space. For the first time ever, you guys get to to experience that high-end PC gaming quality from 2-3 years ago. Enjoy it.

For us, it's more about having a crisp picture and smooth frame rates. 1080p30 should be the absolute the bare minimum for games these days, which is why PC gamers are still upgrading their hardware. Stuff like 4K resolution and VR is "next-gen"; not cinematic corridor shooters with excessive tone mapping, vignetting and film grain. Play games, not movies.

[Kavorklestein]

TLOU for PS3... I owned this game, I liked it, but it is NOT the end all and be all of gaming. The graphics were my LEAST favorite part of the game. I'm not saying they sucked, because they certainly did not, but I found TLOU's overall visuals to be sub par to Uncharted 3.

It was the story that made the game great. Nothing else.

It actually had some design choices that frustrated me, bothered me, and seemed stupid. But once I beat the game, I saw the game for how great it was. It was the story that kept me going the most tho.

The graphics on characters were excellent, everthing else was pretty much standard. The clickers looked really bad in some scenes, and really awesome in others.

All in all, yes, the PC is missing a great game like Uncharted and TLOU, but that will never mean that the PC is inferior. It may have a different appeal because of it's exclusives, but the PS3 is not a supercomputer like people think. It was just a good console.. nothing more.

[Gwiz]

Uncharted 2 overall is a better game IMO.

[sorane]

"All in all, yes, the PC is missing a great game like Uncharted and TLOU"

That's either a bad joke or you just don't know much about PC games because that couldn't be further from the truth. I can name countless games better than those 2 short linear corridor tps. Everything from Half Life to DotA2 and hundreds in between.

[Kavorklestein]

Okay? The article mentions Ps3 version of TLOU, so I'm commenting on the topic. I wasn't talking about the PC sucking. I was talking about how PC is still better... than PS3...did you even read my comment?
I know pc is better.

I was just saying PC has good games, some even better than TLOU, and some aren't, but it would be even better if PC had TLOU cuz it's quute good on the PS3.

I believe all systems have their pros and cons, and to me, pc's, and all consoles have their perks.
I would LIKE to own any of the 3 consoles, or a killer PC.
For now tho, My Samsung Galaxy Mega is enough of a computer in it's self to meet most of my Tech needs for day to day things.
Maybe someday I WILL have all the consoles AND a newer top tier PC, Id like that, so I'm not hating on anything.
I probably want Half Life 3 more than you do. I'd get a max PC setup if HL3 was coming out for sure.
But seriously, any game system is good.
As long as it makes the company money, It's all good.
I clicked agree on your comment.

[theshredded]

It's the developers that matter & PS devs are the best when it comes to gfx.Almost every PC only game looks mediocre gfx wise because of production costs & less consumers which is y most pc exclusives are indies.

[R-A-S-0]

PS4 global sales - 12.4m (est)
Current active Steam users 75m+

[SnotyTheRocket]

How many years has Steam been around? Next argument please.

[Seafort]

Actually active steam accounts is 100m now :P

@SnotyTheRocket

What does that matter? According to console gamers and the gaming media PC gaming died years ago :)

Can't have it both ways. Next argument please.

[R-A-S-0]

@Snooty

Irrelevant. Its not an argument and this isn't a flame war. I'm simply pointing out to @theshredded that the number of PS3 and PS4 consoles currently in circulation is probably somewhere around the same as the amount of active Steam users. Total global PS sales is not a valid comparison because not all of those consoles will still be functioning or in use.

Edit: I'd like to point out that my last post received 5 down-votes for simply stating an objective fact. Its a great community we have here guys...

[SnotyTheRocket]

I was of the impression you where speaking only about the PS4. Never mind me then.

[R-A-S-0]

@Snoty

ah okay, no worries then.

[49erWildCat]

Even Though PC's Are Better i think consoles have their place with gamers and when you look at the sales in the past 2 or 3 decades it proves it

[TheVigilanteCode]

Ahh, another gamingbolt shite. Gonna continue my policy of not clicking these baiting kids scavenging for a dollar. Get a job, instead of these cheap antics raising the collar by the name of "GAMING JOURNALISTS" , you scum.

[DougLord]

The PS3s gpu (300Gflop) was equivalent to a 9600 GT. For the young ones in the crowd that's a low end GPU from 2009. A modern equivalent is a 720, but even though that has the same Gflops, everything else in a modern GPU blows away the PS3 (Intel Iris 5200 is 3x more powerful then PS3).

What TLOU did graphically is amazing. It is too bad no PC developers can afford to do something like that optimized only for people with 980s in SLI.

However, while great gfx are nice that has no impact on the game. TLOU is just as fun on PS3 as on PS4. And despite the fact the PS4 has 6th more power then the PS3, TLOU maybe looks 10% or 20% better on PS4. We are quickly approaching the point of not being able to tell the difference between resolutions on a normal screen from a normal playing distance. 1080p vs 900p you have to pause the game and stand 2 feet from the TV. 1080p vs 4k you have to be playing on a PC monitor. Any TV reviewer will tell you 4k vs 1080p is irrelevant for movies and TV. The future is not better grass effects - it's cloud based AI and massive persistent multiplayer worlds.

[Qrphe]

The RSX in the PS3 is supposed to be based off of the 7800 GTX but in-real world performance it never really seemed to match that. The Cell was more powerful, in theory, than any CPU of the time yet PC games managed to looked better by a good margin with the 7800 GTX.

[WickedLester]

Design >>> pure horse power.

[WheatBread]

Please click my article I need hits, bro. PLEASE I'M BEGGING YOU, BRO.

[Psychotica]

I just think how better the game would have been on PC. It was a good game though..

[GamingTruth]

yeah wouldve looked like mario nes

[Seafort]

For a name like "GamingTruth" you don't half spread BS and lies a lot :)

[Gwiz]

The essence of something running more smooth is different than a game's game-play/story.If you could play TLoU on the PC with higher resolution than the PS4 version it would really matter to have that PC GPU,otherwise why buy the PS4 version when you already have the PS3 version?.

Not to mention that the PS4 version has more issues.

[1stPersonHuman]

This article, headline alone, is a logical failure. A GPU, the part of the computer for processing graphics, is what makes a game look better. You cannot argue that a lesser GPU is capable of more than a more power GPU.

[OldDude]

So all we hear from Sony boys is how the PS4s GPU is more powerful than the x1's so the Bone sucks. But when PC's easily outclass the PS4 it makes no difference... Get a life.

I play my games at 1440 res with high frame rates and textures. When the PS4 can do that let me know,

[the_dark_one]

well you are not seeing the big picture, pc is open platform while with a console you get what you get. nobody as any doubt that a pc GPU is stronger then the ones on a console it just a that when the devs are creating a game for a console they dont need to worry that the game is going or not work cause they will try to optimize it to the consoles strength, while on pc they need to worry about different specs

[d3nworth1]

Why do people click these stories and never read the article?

[kevnb]

power matters, no matter what anybody says it does actually matter.

[Gore-Content]

Are we still comparing pcs with consoles??? 400 > 2000.

[mysteryraz11]

Pc gaming is irrelevant thats all I need to say

[Pandamobile]

Millions of people feel the same way about consoles. That's all I need to say.

[tee_bag242]

Nice try troll but PC revenue has surpassed console games!
On the off chance you're capable of reading I've provided you some links.

http://www.lazygamer.net/ge...

http://www.forbes.com/sites...

http://www.pcr-online.biz/n...

Here's and idea. Stop caring so much if people have consoles or PC's other than a PS4.

[PudgeyBurrito]

It's obvious that PC will always be able to push more pixels than consoles. I mean you don't really need 20 years of articles to prove this.. If you understand specs its very obvious. That said.. When it comes to games.. top 10, 50 or 100 rated games list more of the games are console games that are either exclusives or come to PC way way way down or in next generations. Most games that are known to be "Graphically Stunning" on a technical level never fair well in ratings or game play but more so as a "what tech can do" piece. While advancement in technology is always welcome as we further into the future it seems the games that get the most praise are the ones that have below, above or just on par graphical level which usually can be achieved by any console or pc providing its on either platform. This is why massive amounts of power isn't needed and why you don't need to buy a gaming rig to have fun. Simply put. Gameplay.

[GamePeace]

Yes, there are good games only exclusive for certain plattforms. But you can't compare a gaming PC with a console. Have you ever played games like Skyrim with enb series and plenty of other graphic mods? The Last of Us looks like a Ps2 compared to it. Even Fallout 3 with enb series and projekt reality looks much better than the Ps4 version of The Last of Us. But in the end gameplay matters, unfortunately for all console gamers, which say that PC gaming has only graphics, you're wrong. Even small gameplay mods can increase the playability of games. The fps alone makes a difference. I played for example Skyrim for my xbox 360 back in the days, played PS exclusive games like Demon's Souls too. The fps and screen resolution was not that great. On PC you can enable vsync, antia-aliasing, antistrophic-filtering, super-sampling ecc. which makes the screen quality better. You can play on higher resolutions, you can plug your Computer into a big TV, can play with wireless mouse and keyboard. Many games support the Xbox 360 controller, you could buy a logitech controller and so on... in this industry, I can only repeat it, you get what you pay for. The more you spend, the higher the quality. Even a new Iphone costs more than the current gen consoles (I am not a fan of smartphones myself), but this shows the limitation of it. I spent over 2000 Euros for my PC, it is worth it...

[Yetter]

Well there seem to be a lot of people here who have completely missed the point of this statement. You cannot compare PC specs to console specs with any accuracy. Console devs always find ways to push the hardware and produce spectacular results. Look at last gen, do any of you think Bioshock infinite could run on a PC with 480 mb of RAM? Well it did on the 360 and it looked pretty damn good

[Fro_xoxo]

It only matters when the PS4 is at an advantage. . right?

[D3athc3ll]

LOL OldDude,

You don't need a high end pc to deliver great graphics. Naughty Dog made it clear and will do same with Uncharted 4.

When Uncharted 4 comes out - it will look better than any pc game out in like ever! It will destroy those big high end pc's, at least for a while. Now to make it clear, pc is stronger and capable of more, but it takes the best developers to create a better looking graphics game on ps4 than any pc out there!. If they made Uncharted for pc it would look better in terms of more aa or higher resolution or whatever.

Like someone said above - what looks best? TLOU on ps3 720p 30fps or Tetris 4k 60fps?? Sure TLOU by miles.

PC gamers with their oooooohhhhhhhh pc can do this and that! Then do it pc! bring it?????? Uncharted 4 will blow you away, hell even The Order 1886 will blow any pc game out of the water!

Enjoy your games on whatever platform you're playing. My fav game is DOTA 2 on pc btw. Yes I own a ps4 and cant wait for games like Uncharted, etc.

MARK MY WORDS!! No game on pc or any other platform will look as good as Uncharted 4 in at least 2015!! or whenever it comes out! No not even your high end 4k pc 120fps machines! Graphics can be good no matter what console or pc you use! Its about the developers and their art/art style. I dont care how much aa or fps you use, graphics = art! THE END

[EnzoLuca]

One word - OPTIMIZATION

[LogicStomper]

Optimisation can only go so far. If you've ever done optimisation in math, you'd know that when you're optimising, you're only attempting to the maximum output of the given function.

If I were to relate PC and PS4 through analogy for this, PS4 would be like a sin(x) function whereas PC will be a 2sin(x) function. As you optimise the PS4/sin(x) function, you would reach its maximum of 1. PC/2sin(x) however, has a maximum amplitude of 2, and no matter how much you optimise sin(x)/PS4, you will not be able to exceed an amplitude of 1.

So sure, you can optimise something. But you have to know that there are limits to optimisation. You can't optimise a calculator to run Crysis 1080P/60fps.

[EnzoLuca]

i prefer games that have been fully optimized for a single high end console, like the ps4, to that of a pc game

Over the years the high tech, big budget games on pc have lacked that extra layer of polish. Having to partition every graphical and physical calculations of modern game engines off in order to work on various hardware configurations consumers have; leaves the overall game with bugs and no definite optimal experience.

i feel its for the better that console developers know the DEFINITE hardware specifications of the end user, which allows them to extract the most out of their chosen engine.

[edqe]

If consoles would be so amazing the games wouldn't be so simple and FPS, resolutions and FOV wouldn't were so low.

PC is most versatile gaming platform. It runs all sorts of games you can imagine. It scales graphically from simple to most beautiful games and at the same time the games can be simple or incredible complex. PC is not about hardware as console players tries to claim.

It unfortunately that N4G has pretty much zero articles about more complex and versatile games; Nethack, Dwarf Fortress, Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup, EU4, UrW, etc.

[Unspoken]

The Cult of Sony is out defending their belief system. Sad days.

[Father__Merrin]

can somebody kindly point out a game that looks as good as TLOU on steam? or any game like it? nope thought not ?Ha Ha Ha

[edqe]

It is surprising and kind of sad that consoles has turned to "it is all about graphics" from "it is all about gameplay".

PC has still graphically most beautiful games but it has also most versatile games; complex simulation games, grand strategy games, RTS, etc. that has never being seen on consoles.

[DoggyBiscuit]

All ya graphics whores wanna buy a PS4 and then complain about graphics, if graphics matter that much then buy a PC and you dont have to worry about if the game is running 1080p 60 fps

[kainslayer]

for the sake of the argument lets just all picture last of us 4k 144 hz gsync 120+ fps with dx11 features 8x aa 16x af and physx (i can easyly go 12k with 4 titan blacks but its overkill).That goes to the writer and not all of you guys just to say that there is another side of the coin.Who ever played mario galaxy on a dolphin emulator at 2k resolution or zelda skyward sword would understand what i want to picture good night and stay away from click baits

[Bronxs15]

So why is it a problem for wii u?

[Reaper29r]

Hahahaha man that headline and these comments had me tearing up. Ok seriously this is gonna offend a lot of PS only gamers on this site. For those of you saying TLoU on PS3 looked better than a lot of pc games.. get real and put the blunt down. TLoU is an great looking game on CONSOLES, considering the PS3 hardware and no one is denying that. And consoles truly bring some great experiences and bang for your buck, which is why I always own all. But to think it looked better than games running at true 1080p or higher with AA and AF, DX10-11 just shows you don't have gaming PCs and are true PS fanboys. It's cool to love your system but you make yourselves sound ridiculous. Try getting an actual, say $650, gaming rig. Put on BF3/4 and set to ultra/max. Or tomb raider or any AAA that is either PC exclusive or had a decent port that takes advantage of PC hardware. Hell even medium settings at 1080p will do. Sit a foot away from your monitor. Now load up TLoU on PS3 and sit 4 feet or less on a 40+ inch tv. Watch as your eyeballs are assaulted by jaggies, trilinear filtering, flat and blended textures that are only detailed when Joel gets like 6 feet away. Don't believe me? Load up the second level and look at the piles of trash/clothes and slowly walks towards them. Same with NPCs. But if that's the case why did I say it looked great? Because when you have a good art direction and lighting and your consumers are sitting 6+ feet away it does look good, because your eyes can't catch all the bad stuff. The farther you sit away, the less AA you need. The harder it is for them to detect the gradually appearing textures as they move towards an object. Not so with PC, where 99% of the time everything is just thrown out there depending on the settings and your hardware will either handle it or not. By agreeing with this click bait article, you are also admitting that while XB1 games don't usually run at 1080p, they can look just as good or BETTER than the PS4 equivalent. Oh the irony. Unless you just want to pick and choose. Which you probably will. I sense something in the force.. as if 10 million gamers were suddenly butthurt by the truth.

TL;DR- this article and the people agreeing with it have never owned a gaming PC, and are most likely PS only fans perpetuating their gaming double standards.

[TBONEJF]

WHEN IS THIS B.S. going to end?! Sick and tired of this debate. yes PC always win. but let's get real THEY ARE NO GAMES for the PC plus I hate having too upgrade my VIDEO card and ram every year there's a new game out LET'S JUST DROP THIS SHYT already

[rocketpanda]

At first I agreed on your first point, "when is this BS going to end", but they your argument just went sour. There are no games to play on the PC? Even if you don't game on a PC you know that is a rubbish statement. I game on both and see the merits of both. Whilst consoles tend to have more exclusives people care about.

Star Citizen, League of Legends, DOTA2,Planetary Annihilation,Starcraft, Heroes of the Storm, Civilization, Divinity original sin, Legend II, Wasteland 2, etc. These are just some off the top of my head. Even if you have no interest in any of these title, don't give that nonsense, "but let's get real THEY ARE NO GAMES for the PC".

"plus I hate having too upgrade my VIDEO card and ram every year there's a new game out LET'S JUST DROP THIS SHYT already"

The your are mentioning plus is that PC gamers don't have to pay for PLUS to play their games online.

PC has been offering online gaming with no fee since forever. Prices of the same multi platform games are far more expensive on consoles. Example. I was looking at Shadow of Mordor digital premium editions, on the PC it as low as £24, whilst on PSN it is currently selling for £74. Now please justify this? I would love to hear it, because even though I have a PS4 the PC is cheaper than both console digital and retail versions. Nothing to play you say. I am playing the same game and saved much money.

And before you call me out as a elitist I am currently enjoying Bayonetta 2 on the Wii U and Destiny on the PS4. It is just that I have a well round perspective.

[TBONEJF]

next time don't call me ignorant. 2nd everyone have the right too opinion.

[SnakePlissken]

Spend $800+ for a PC headache, constant upgrades, having to install and remove crap all the time! Not to mention game crashes and lock ups. For what, 5% increase in performance?

Crap games too! It makes absolutely zero sense today.

[FlyingFoxy]

It doesn't need constant upgrades if you buy the right stuff at the start, and the difference is far more than 5%.

UE4 Elemental demo drops to as low as 22fps on PS4 whereas current GPU's like the GTX 970 only drops as low as 39fps in intense parts and with a 3 year old Intel CPU, and that's with the PS4 version at a lesser graphical quality on top of that. Quality could even be dropped on PC to PS4 level and i bet it wouldn't even dip below 60fps that often.

Those are minimums taken from YouTube, so the PS4 is going to have to lock UE4 games to 30fps to maintain mostly smooth gameplay whereas PC can maintain an average well over 60. That engine is new and on PS4 it is already dipping to low frame rates like GTA V does on the 360.

[AdamJensen]

Why is this an article? Why is this the top news of the day?

It's just some ignorant guy stating that people will play good games regardless of graphics. Well no shit, Sherlock.

But that doesn't mean that not having 1080p or more importantly, 60 fps in a video game in this day and age is fine, because it isn't.

[FlyingFoxy]

I think it's pretty much proven that you need an updated GPU every 2-3 years to get the best out of games performance wise. The fact that new gen consoles get games coming at 30fps only 1-2 years or less after release reinforces that thought.

It's technology, stuff improves and unfortunately it's not a cheap thing to buy into. Plus it doesn't help not all developers spend a lot of time on a game to get it to run great. This is why pure brute force of the hardware helps.

Of course you have to know what to buy with PC hardware, i never buy extreme high end because it's always massively overpriced over something just below it for a small performance difference. Example being: GTX 980 > GTX 970.

[ATi_Elite]

Oh look another N4G Sony propaganda article to make Sony gamers feel good about themselves.

So we got to drag out the old trick pony TLOU to bring more rah rah to Sony Gamers especially after the driv club fiasco.

The fact that this is talking about ps3 when ps4 is out is even funnier.

OK TLOU was basically a cooridor game with 2 on screen enemies at a time with average ai no physics no destruction ran at 720p 30fps with no anti aliasing.

But yes it looked good for the hardware it was on.

Meanwhile I was playing BF3 a huge sandbox game with 64 on screen players or tons of advanced Ai npcs with physics destruction and vehicles on ultra with 4xmsaa and 8xAF at 1600p

OH and what was bf3 ps3 low textures no AA and capped at 720p 30fps

You wanna compare a ps3 to a Pc then compare identical games like Sony fans like to say Not apples to oranges

Gtaiv ps3 versus the Almighty gtaiv Pc with icemod

AMD and Nvidia driver updates is the PCS version of optimization which means Pc games increase in performance for at least 3 times after release due to updates.

Now you could go back and have a ps1 render a photo realistic frame as long as it's still and nothing is going on.

I get so sick of people wanting to compare TLOU which is a pretty game but a game with nothing going on in it to a Pc game that's pushing everything to the limits.

Just a propaganda article to raise the spirits of Sony boys after the Drive club fiasco but they had to reach all the way back to a ps3 to do it.

Halo Reach with it advanced Ai more on screen enemies and physics based particle effects was more like impressive than TLOU.

Again TLOU is great looking and will always be a graphical masterpiece but never ever in life again compare it to a Pc game because TLOU doesn't do much game play wise except be pretty.

Meanwhile most Pc games have not ai that is taxing the crap outta the CPU plus having to run physics plus produce 1080p graphics in huge game world with draw distances.

[linkenski]

PC GPUs did not outclass PS3 by such a large margin so early into that console's cycle.

[rocketpanda]

No, it is proof that there are some developers that are good at getting the most of limited hardware by having a compelling story.

Using TLoU for this argument if you want to talk about graphical fidelity is pointless, while the game does look good by console standards. The focus of the game was the story, pacing, rather than visuals. So many games on PC on Ultra look fantastic, but if the experience of the game itself is boring or average then there is nothing else, and the same could be said for other platforms with the same issue, Ryse was a great technical show piece for the Xbox One, by everything else was average at best.

The article is baseless and just an excuse to justify why X is better than Y when both X an Y are good and viable platforms if games developed for them are done correctly.

I have had more fun with Shovel Knight this year than most AAA games, and many other people have as well. I could use this as an argument for against other games, but it is stupid just like what the article's headline is trying to prove. By the same logic snes games like Chrono Trigger holds well still by today's standards, I could use this as well. It's an argument that could go on and on to give justification for whatever petty argument you are trying to start or state.

[saviboy]

@ all of the above. Can you play TLOU on PC?
no. discussion over

[gamer7804]

uhh PCs should absolutely be better than ps4 or xbox one, you are paying 150-300$ every few months to stay ahead of the graphical curve PC games keep bumping up. And thats just for a video card. Don't get me wrong, i like PC gaming, but i don't buy a new PC every year. I'm fine with having a midrange, then low range PC as it nears its EOL.

I play some PC games, but its just not cost effective enough for me to shell out that kind of money, when i can pay 400$-500$ for a console once every 6 years...

[BigBosss]

here we go again lame articles about PC's go play your boring game Crysis..

[jlo]

PS4 GPU outperforming XB1 GPU does matter
PC GPU outerpforming PS4 GPU doesn't matter

The fanboyism is strong on this site.

I enjoyed TLOU but I didn't quite get the fascination over it. Stupid AI, small environments, even Uncharted was better

It speaks volumes for a new system when it's best game is a last gen port. I haven't touched my PS4 in months, recently upgraded to a 4K TV and damn those PC games immerse you like no other. It feels like what next gen should have been.

[SouljAx360]

Why do people argue over this? Of course PC gaming has more graphical potential. People who think "optimization" is anything more than lowering graphics to achieve better framerate, or lowering framerate to achieve better graphics, just hasn't been around computer gaming long enough to know there is no magic involved.

I play PC, PS3, and PS4. And I know what to expect from each gaming platform. Just play the games and enjoy them. I get most of my games on PC for graphics but the ones I can't get on PC I get on consoles because I enjoy gaming.

[Maxor]

If GPU performance doesn't matter then the PS4 doesn't matter. I absolutely wasted $400 when all I needed is the Cell.

[SpinalRemains138]

TLoU stands alone and shines in every single area except more updated resolutions, sans the remaster.

When a game is that freaking awesome, and still looks awesome, with last Gen resolution and 30 fps, it really doesn't effect it much.

99% of games aren't even worthy enough to share a disc drive with TLoU.

Yeah the game was that epic, and as a result it breaks every mold and is held to its own standard.

[Petebloodyonion]

The article should have been named:

PC GPUs Outperforming PS4 GPU Does Not Matter unless we compare it to a Xbox One then it's super ultra important.
The Last of Us Remastered is Proof of that cause all we got was a resolution boost on ps4
But we're trying really hard to sell it like a completely new game.
BTW On pc it would have been a simple option in the graphics tabs or a free mods!

[just-joe]

Who is this trying to convince?

[Orionsangel]

How hard is to understand that a Console will never beat a PC? A PC is ever-evolving. A Console will never be more than what is on launch day.

[dreamed]

I agree and disagree,hardware yeah no difference over the years,but software updates have made the x1 loads better than it was at launch imo.

[BobBelcher]

Honest to God, the fanboys don't TRULY care about the resolution of a game, the only thing that relatively matters is the fact that one can do something better than the other. And before I get the disagrees (which I will) think real hard about the comments in this section and then look back at EVERYTHING people have had issues with:

- The size difference between the consoles
- Power block/no power block
- The number of controllers that can connect w/ the console
- What console's outselling the other (please, tell me why this matters to gamers, please tell me how this information helps you be gamers?)

Just play the games... It's a damn shame when casual gamers (who don't give a damn about resolution, gaming websites, or reviews) are better gamers than the 'core gaming' crowd.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

Any game could potentially have a good story. That's up to the writer. However, things such as graphical fidelity and fps? That's 100% hardware. So yes, it does matter, because for all we know tomorrow an amazing game that looks MUCH better than Last of Us and has a better story could just pop up. The ps4/x1 won't be hitting 4k let alone 1440p and 60fps, so really, saying 1 or 2 games (that could come out on pc a la witcher 3) are reason enough to buy a console is a pretty terrible argument. (This is coming from a guy who owns a ps4 and a decent gaming rig)

[dreamed]

@ battleaxe, i couldnt agree more,fanboys are just plain n simple dicks FACT!!!.....if 1080p matters so much why the hell did all the whining fanboys by a console??.

For me its ease of use,i know shit about gaming pc's,and 1080p/60fps is not the only thing i look for in a game...

Im getting acu on xbox and its gonna rock,tbh nobody wants to play with these fanboy 1080p idiots anyway...bring on coop creed!!!!

[ion666]

Good Lord ,are all of you gamers?. I question this because all of you cry like if your grand daddy created these games. Can no one enjoy games anymore. If so these 10880p bull doesn't matter especially if you like the game. Everyone's point is invalid.

[ninjahunter]

If you play Uncharted or last of us then go and play a PC game, or vice versa, the disparity in quality is very apparent.

[King_of_Nothing]

If a Sony platform is being outperformed, it doesn't matter, its all about the exclusives. If a Sony platform is outperforming another platform, the factor that's attributed to the Sony outperforming the competition is the ONLY thing that matters.

[Coach_McGuirk]

nailed it.