Report: PS3 sales rising, Xbox 360 'headed down'

The future of the current generation of consoles is in a flux, but sales of the PlayStation 3 are seen as rising, while the Xbox 360 is "headed down."

[Silogon]

Doesn't suprise me. At the end of the day xbox 360 is old and is laoded down with old tech.

Outdated dvd player
Outdated ram that runs at -.87% of what Ps3's does
Outdated graphix card that cannot compare to the Cell and RsX in ps3 when used properly
Has no hdd mandate
Very abysmal backwards compatibility with older software
Pay 50 bucks to game online when Ps3's is all free. no fee at all.
No wireless net card installed like the ps3 has
No usb ports
No room for expandability outside of tacky add ons

I can go on and on, but it's already clear that the xbox 360 was a crutch used to penetrate the next gen market early. a foot hold placer. It was basically released to compete with PS2, like Dreamcast was to Ps1. history and memories all repeat, guys.

Ps3 is the future as we know it. Until xbox next hits, of course. I think that train is coming in next year too by the way.

[Chris Hansen]

Microsoft is screwed no matter what they do.

The 360 can no longer compete with the PS3 as it's being outsold in all three major territories despite having more games and a much lower price (even lower in Europe).

If Microsoft decides to restart the race with a new XBOX, it will essentially be competing with the PS3...An instant loss situation.

Dateline NBC,
Chris Hansen

[G1TR4P3D]

JB, dat u?

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

GOOOOOOOOD!!!;-P
Bring on the next xBox...It will fail to!!! ;-D

[AngryTypingGuy]

Everyone knows that the PS3 is the one with the RAM problem. Well that is, unless all of the people who wrote articles about it were paid off by MS. Yeah, that must be it.

That "outdated" machine still outperforms the PS3 graphically. I hate to sound like a Sony fan, but "just wait" until Gears 2 comes out and drops everyone's jaws.

Every time I walk into a Game Stop and look at the PS3 display, I can't help but notice the number of jaggies on seemingly every game...and it's on Sony's own monitors! Uncharted, R&C and especially Heavenly Sword were full of jaggies! It could be the monitor though, who knows. But if you look at the 360 display on the Samsung screens, they don't have that problem.

As far as the sales go, the 360 will pick up again when more heavy hitters come out, and when there's a price drop. Same with the PS3. The PS3 will probably surpass it eventually, but with the size of the PS2 install base, it shouldn't be a surprise. However, after this gen, Sony's market share will have shrunk considerably, as more people realize that the best games (for the most part) are on the 360.

[Montrealien]

All I know is that judjement day has come and gone and we can think of other things now, like, oh I don't know....games?

Even if the 360 goes down in sales for the next year or two, and the PS3 keeps gaining like it has been for half of it's year, we will still have two amazing consoles that have a big enough user base to encourage companies to make games for both of them, hence keeping them in competition trying to better themselves wich in the end make anybody who has both consoles swim in an amazing pool of awesomeness. All this while fanboys stroke their little e-peens among each other as they always do in forums and comments sections, fantasy creatures must have a place to think they matter right?

and lets not forget, all this is happening while Nintendo, the original king of consoles, sits on top of it all smoking cigars rolled in money spitting out a few good games a year while the casual market gets all those "other" titles that keep them happy.

hate me because I got all three current gen consoles and enjoy all games, but in the end my gamer path is the one of a true gamer and keeps me one step ahead of any brand whore fanboy.

[rickjames]

sony = best

[Condoleezza Rice]

Just no.

Btw,today is opposite day...

[littletad]

Oh and take your IQ with you.

[whateva]

this post is going to be apart of history

[cito35th]

people are just hating that they just realized that 360 is sh!t and ps3 is way better

haha 360 is losing even with their price cut and all their AAA titles out haha

360=fail

keep in mind 360 HAD A YEAR HEAD START! how sad

[ScentlessApprentice7]

Now Microsoft already has plans to abandon the 360 and its userbase (just like the original xbox userbase, because unlike Sony they don't give a $h!t about consumer satisfaction feedback) and they want to shove an xbox 720 out the gate by the fall of 2010. This just goes to show how stupid MS fanboys are; They'll buy a defective console OVER AND OVER again and then they'll forget about the $400+ dollars they spend on that console and they'll just buy another piece of crap console from Microsoft in a few years without even relishing in the experience and investment they spent on the initial console.

At least Sony continues to invest in their previous consoles after their newest incarnations debut. But then again, MS idiots are just that; idiots that don't mind wasting their money on defective hardware and giving their money to a manufacturer that can't acquire quality software without buying it off.

[uie4rhig]

i guess this is true, i mean PS3 is been outselling 360 for quite a while now.. even though the price is like twice as much as the 360's ..
also if you check vgchartz for the hardware from launch, then you see that if they were released simultaneously, PS3 would have a higher install base atm..

greeetzz

[godofthunder10]

to be honest.i've seen sites saying the opposite.the ones that shows sells stats that are close,the 360 still have about 6 million or more units sold then the ps3 but it will get closer and the ps3 will probaly take the lead, but microsoft did what they wanted to do.

microsoft released the 360 a year earler so they could get a bigger share of the market and it worked.i know that sony will probaly win this generation but they want own the game industry any more because sony lost a big share of the market because of the 360 and wii and they gained more and sony days of dominateing the game market is over and they have competition now.this generation will be close and sony will probaly win this generation with the 360 right behind it in a close 2nd.

i've read ScentlessApprentice7 post and he claims that microsoft have plans to abadon the 360 and he's way off because microsoft already said that it will be around another 3 years or more,so i like to know where he got his information at.

i know that the 360 had a lot of problems but when ScentlessApprentice7 claimed that unlike microsoft sony cares about their customers he's way off.it was sony that had problems with the first 2 ps especially the ps2.

the ps2 had a defected drive in it.you could buy a new one some times and put a new game in it and it would read can't read disc on the screen and you would have to keep ejecting it till it works,then after a while it would stop working completly.

when people that owned a ps2 started complaining about the ps2 sony claimed that there wasn't anything wrong with the ps2.well a lawsuit was filed against sony and it was proven that sony knew all along about the drive but didn't want to pay to fix it.

well sony fixed the drives in the ps3 but people like me that bought the ps2 when they first came out was just stuck with them.i had to buy 5 of them because sony wouldn't make the bad ones good.so ScentlessApprentice7 had it opposite,it was microsoft that gave every one a 3 year extra warrinty when the 360 had problems with out getting sued and it was sony that had to be sued over the defect in the ps2 because they didn't want to fix the drives and this is a fact and ScentlessApprentice7 need to check his facts before he post an article that's not even close to being true.

i know that the 360 had the highest defect rate then any game system that was every made with about a 33 to 35 percent defective rate.i will allso agree that the ps3 is the most reliable console every made because i'm not a childish fanboy or bias because unlike them i'll admit the truth good or bad about both consoles and i want be a hypercrit.when sony developed the ps3 they remembered all the mistakes in the first 2 and did it the right way,hell you can't be more reliable then the ps3 is,the few people that had problems with it is to few to even mention.i'm sure that microsoft learn their lesson and the next 360 will be more reliable.

the ps2 on the other hand had a defect rate in the 20s.i'm not saying every one had a problem with the ps2 but about 20 to 27 out of a 100 did.hell the 360 had about a 35 percent defective rate but i bought mine on the launch day and i never had 1 problem yet(i guess i'm lucky).

the reason that the 360 became a big deal is because when it was released the majority of the people in the world had the net and the news spreaded like fire through it and some ps3 fanboys was even lieing saying that they had a 360 that broke on them and you could tell that they were ps3 fanboys by the story they posted because it didn't make any sence.

when the ps2 came out and it had a lot of problems but it didn't become a big deal because the majority of the people didn't have the net and on top of that they didn't have childish fanboys from both sides like they do now that will lie to make the other system look bad.if they did have fanboys back then like they do now then the 360 fanboys would lie and said that they had a ps2 that broke down just like some ps3 fanboys lied and said they had a 360 that broke.

when ScentlessApprentice7 said that sony cared about their customers and microsoft doesn't he was dead wrong because neither one cares about us.all they care about is makeing money and they will lie to do it,as a matter of fact they did already.

[solidt12]

The PS3 is a more stable system with better games, and most of the same game you can get on the 360. And the ones the PS3 don't have you can play on the PC. Sony also owns alot more studios than Microsoft which means more exclusives. Nintendo and Sony really have there stuff together but sadly the Xbox 360 has fumbled by trying to rush the Xbox 1.5 out and not buying good studios. How did the let Bungie go? Morons.

[plenty a tool]

an "opinion" without any substance or data to back it up.

what a great article.

here's my prediction

360: sales at a plateau. will increase with long awaited price drop(especially in NA), and the release of gears2. but after, will continue to coast along at a rate that will easily beat the old xbox.

ps3: just saw a nice "spurt" after mgs. which will taper off sharply in a week or two. will see an icrease when the long awaited price drop hits(all regions). but after, will fall well behind any of the other two playstations. sony being lucky to reach 60 mil by 2011.

nintendo: will reach a plateau soon, that will put it out of the reach of the other two sometime next year. this gens winner with room to spare.

see, i'm an opinionated analyst now!!

[Scrooge]

Look, there is one fact that you all will disagree with but must face and accept: Nintendo is #1, 360 is #2, Sony is #3.

[ThanatosDMC]

But bungie is not all that good a company. They only made one "good" IP.

They invested in Rare because they sold better IPs.

[ChampIDC]

Bungie may have only had one IP between the two Xbox consoles, but the original Halo put the Xbox on the map. Without Bungie, MS would have been pretty screwed, and the Xbox wouldn't have become so established in the industry.

[GarandShooter]

@ godofthunder10

Dude, PLEASE, capitalize, punctuate properly, take a minute to gather your thoughts before typing, avoid run-on sentences, etc....Pretty Please.

Also, if you're going to quote failure rates provide links.

I've owned an Intellivision, Genesis, PS1, N64, Dreamcast(launch), PS2 (launch), Xbox360 (Nov. 2006), PS3 (Dec. 2006), and a PSP. I've had no problems with most and only minor problems with two. After 5 years of use, my launch PS2 wouldn't read PS1 discs anymore and between the $50 or $75 repair cost and the cost of the Ethernet adapter I just purchased a slim PS2 and sold my original to a friend whose kids cooked it with inadequate ventilation. The other is my 360 which is finnicky about connecting to XBL. My router sees it and a network test will show different failures, then will suddenly connect for no apparent reason. (BTW, if anybody knows the cause or cure for this please let me know, it can get quite annoying at times). So far my PS3 has been flawless *knocks on wood*. I do know people who have had multiple failures on 360's but so far none on PS3 (and none on the PS2 for that matter). I am not knocking any system. I have enjoyed them all (though the lifespan of the Dreamcast was terribly short). What does it matter to us who outsells who? None of it puts money in my pocket. All I want is both companies to be successful enough that support for the systems I've spent hard-earned money on lasts the usable life span of the system. It's in that regard that the Dreamcast falls short.

And dude, you bought 5 PS2s? My nephews also cooked a PS2 with inadequate ventilation (in a closed back entertainment center with videos and games jammed in right up to the vents) and contacted Sony, told them it was a gift and they replaced it free of charge. The $50 or $75 I was going to spend to fix mine was quoted direct from Sony, so you are either incredibly foolish or a very poor bull$h!t artist. If I remember correctly, the PS2 was $299.00 at launch, so you would have us believe you spent $1500.00 on PS2s? I for one am having an extremely difficult time buying into that one (pun intended).

Quit your hating, man. If you prefer the 360, good for you. If you can't afford a PS3 be happy for what you do have. If you are going to respond, breathe deeply into a paper bag first so you can stop hyperventilating on your keyboard. Please.....Pretty please.....

[GarandShooter]

Hey people, check out this exquisite PM I just opened from godofthunder10...I placed an asterisk in place of some letters, so it would clear through the system.

New Message:
11 hours ago | By: godofthunder10 | Block

you are one dum mother fu*ker bi*ch.you are just a ps3 fanboy and the most bias ass hole i've ever read

if you could read,you would have seen that i've agreed that the ps3 is the most dependable console that was ever made.

the problem i have with you is your childish fu*king attitude.you might not want admit it or you are to fu*king ashamed to admit it but sony was sued over the ps2 because of the defected drive.sony knew it was defected but didn't want to pay to fix it and that's a fact.if you are smart like you claimed then you should be able to look it up your dum ass self.i see that you are not smart enough to look it up so here is just one article on it and they have more that goes into more detaile about it.here's one site you should read sony playstation2 consumer complaints on googles and they have a lot more if you look.

i have a movie theater in my house.i bet that you live in a fu*king trialer ass hole with a tv that isn't bigger then a 50in.

the reason that i don't buy sony products or any forign products is because i support my on country and i'm proud of the U.S.unlike you,i don't wish that a forign company beat any american company,because unlik you,i'm smart enough to see that it hurts the american economy when bastards like you buy forign products.i'm also smart enough to know that if an forign company beats an american company then it will help the forign country out and give them an advantage over the U.S but i see that you are to fu*king retarted to know any thing about politics bi*ch.

decades ago they had people that was saying that if people keep buying products from japan like they are doing then we will be dependent on them in the furture,well they were right.

because of dumasses like you who keep buying products from japan instead of american products it became true.it's because of people like you that the U.S is afraid to get japan mad at us.

japan allows about 50% less imports from the U.S that they export but the U.S is afraid to say anything because we need their products now.

before japan started exporting their products to the U.S we were in good shape.all our tvs and all our other electronics were made in the U.S and because of it we had more plants and because of it,they had a lot more jobs.the same thing with automobiles.the U.S automobile industry was booming and they had a lot more jobs for americans.then dumasses like you started buying japans products and it was you and other people like you that cause it to happen when you refused to buy american products.

when japan first started selling their automobiles and other products in the U.S they were the cheapest you could buy.then win traitors like you started buying all of their products it hurt the american companies.the majority of companies in the U.S had to shut down amd lay off all of their workers because of it.when the U.S companies closed down japan started raising their prices on their products and now they are the most expensive products in the U.S.

on g4 about 6 or more months ago they intervied 2 writers from game magzines in japan.they were ask why doesn't the 360 sell well in japan.they both said that japaneese people are proud of their country and companies and refuse to buy any forign products if they can.then they went on to say that they hate to especially buy american products.

the japanese people are smart and know how to help their economy out and this is one of the main reasom why japan has the strongest economy in the world and it s been like that for decades.

if i was you i would be ashamed to even post anything that hopes a forign company beats any american company.

i wish that traitors like you move to japan.if you are willing to give japan money instead of the U.S and hope that their company beats an american company then the U.S is to good for you and you don't

[Surfman]

:D
Playstation is the console franchise who everybody wants and have trust in it. So i'm sure the PS3 will win again this generation.

[PoSTedUP]

whats else is new. lets just hope MS dosnt stop making consoles, i am still yet to buy a 360, im looking froward to dead rising, fusion frenzy 2, banjo kazooie, and NG2. im not getting one until the new ones come in. i really dont want to get the red ring.

[littletad]

It's Red Ring of Death.... or RROD. Sheesh, some people just don't know the official slogan names.

[lsujester]

I prefer "The Big Red O".

That way I can at least turn it into something dirty to amuse myself.

[PoSTedUP]

HEEYYY YOUU GUUUUUUUUYYYSSS!!!!!

[1stKnighT]

Rocky Rooooooad!

[ThanatosDMC]

Why do people keep on taking other people's bubbles away? He just said he wants to buy a 360 to play some games.

Also, bubbles were taken from the guy correcting him and YES, it was funny. So bubbles for all.

[LJWooly]

People take other people's bubbles away, because your bubbles are representative of the length of your e-penis. The more you take away from other people, the bigger yours starts to look in comparison.

[Rice]

soooooooooooooooo..........any ways...whos getting Little big planet...

[Max Power]

are!

[games4fun]

i am going to buy little big planet i always wanted to make my own games without the enormous hassle that is programming i have always loved level editors in games especially the the level editor in tenchu 2 (why would they ruin such a good series?) for playstion 1 that was great and fun.

[MisfitSmurf]

Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Nathaniel_Drake]

Me too, I'm thinking of creating an Indiana Jones level and a Star Wars level if it's possible

[tojfs7931]

And PixelJunk Eden too!

[ThanatosDMC]

Me too.

[buckethead_X]

Along with a whole lot of other PS3 owners. I'm going to make a lunar level (if you can tweak the gravity)

[Guwapo77]

Perfect timing on this article. Ofcourse PS3 systems sold is up, MSG4 was just released.

[littletad]

It's just a simple few sentences statement from... some guy.

[lsujester]

What? How dare you!

Everybody here knows that he is both an expert in videogame systems and a psychic.

[Millah]

What about the rest of the year when Ps3 sales were up? Its not just MGS4.

[ThanatosDMC]

I dont think it's mainly because of MGS4. My dorm's floor has three new PS3's all 80 gig model.

[ChampIDC]

Honestly, I'm getting tired of these articles. Xbox was around a year longer, so of course its sales are going to be down at this point. They're both successful consoles, and I really don't see any reason to be comparing sales so darn much at this point. No offense to you PS3 lovers(I like the system, so don't call me a hater), but it almost seems like some people just want to jump on the statistics and say, "Ha, PS3 IS better!"

[7h3ultim8p00]

lol! wow.

[7h3ultim8p00]

Hahahaha! A got a disagree! Hahahahaha, WOW indeed! Just wow!

[hotrider12]

LIKE! duh what else is new?? RROD?? could possibly be the reason
d'oh

[Hulligan85]

God Damn Fanboys.

[Note - This is aimed at both sides.]

[Isaac]

God damned anti-fanboy fanboys.

[gamer_323]

Damn i forgot what i was gonna say..

O Yeah PS3 ROXX!!!

[IaMs12]

I totally hate fanboy from bothsides 360 and Ps3... Come on PS3 im sorry but you fanboys are getting worse everytime bashing the 360... you know it is a good system, YES it has flaws so does PS3 so get over it... i just find it annoying either way......

[Elvfam511]

to tell you the truth PS3 got bash ever since the release of the console saying got no games, go play a blu-ray sh!t like that so yeah and for the 360 man i hope they dont make a new they should just work with this one and make it be better

[IaMs12]

Yes, you do have a point, IMO im just tired of fanboyism lol its annoying, the tides have turned but 360 its holding out pretty good against a system nearly double the power and more... im not saying it wont fall, they all do eventually... and your right i hope they dont make a new one yet, wait longer they can still get some juice out of it... i hope they update the XBL if they do it will make a whole difference..

[ChampIDC]

Yeah, fanboys get on my nerves. I own a 360, and I don't plan on buying a PS3, but that doesn't mean I have to absolutley adore my 360 and hate the PS3. It's not unreasonable to say they're both good consoles in their own respects. Fanboys will always exist, though. *sigh*

[Condoleezza Rice]

Both the Ps1 and Ps2 didn't see MASSIVE,earth SHATTERING sales in their first 2 years,the real 'sweet spot' for both was after the big guns came out.It's kind of funny actually,if people took a minute and really thought about it;Neither the Ps2 nor Ps1 were guaranteed success until they started to show their real potential through revolutionary and genre defining games.

Seeing as we still have Gran Turismo,God of War,Tekken,Final Fantasy,and a lot more yet to release,I think it's safe to say once Sony starts shooting,Microsoft and Ninty need to take cover.

[ceedubya9]

Most of the good games were only found on Playstations. Sony had pretty much all of the 3rd party support as well. The playing field is a litte more even this time around. Each company seems to have their own thing going on. Sony will probably come out on top again, as their brand name is too strong too ignore. But I don't see them demolishing the competition like the last two times.

[Snukadaman]

Without a price drop the sales of xbox's have been consistent and we are to believe that since this is the case it is in trouble...no one come up with the idea that when there is a price drop, things for the xbox will change??..no wonder why the economy is sheit in north america.

"It's already cheap and the public said no, thank you."
same for the ps3 huh?

[-Maverick-]

You're delusional. Xbox 360 sales are HORRIBLE for it's price and time in its life and just all around postioning. HORRIBLE. That's why everyone is saying this. That why Microsft is acting desperate and Sony are acting EXTREMELY confident. You will see. There is no changing the truth.

3fixme has already failed. lolol It's not about to failed. It's already cheap and the public said no, thank you.

[PirateThom]

Since when has the PS3 been "cheap"? It's the most expensive console and it's still outselling the 360.

How do you account for that?

[juuken]

...Since when is the PS3 cheap? It's good for the consumer's money. I'm not even surprised a report like this came through.

Why did I have a feeling that when I reached the open zone that delusional bots like you would spin this around?

MS better do something and quickly. Only two games on their console interest me, and Sony has possible blockbusters coming. And MGS4 is one of the best games I have ever played.

[karlostomy]

It is good value for money.
It costs about what a 360 would cost if it had BluRay in it

The only problem is, SONY is selling more and more of something that produces a big loss with each sale. Is that a good thing for Sony's Balance sheet?

After all the hardcore PS3 users take up their quota, will SOny be able to reduce the price in time to catch the casual users? (like the wii did?)

I would argue that the 360 is fortunate to be in a better position to take advantage of that price in the near future.

hmmm...
That's what is really going to decide the console wars, IMO
If you don't agree, then ask yourself why is the ps2 still selling?
Is it the low price and great games?

[-Maverick-]

Jump out BOTS.

The ship is sinking and you're still stuck on board.

It's only down from here for the 3fixme.

PS3 has BARELY BEGUN.

When PS3 is 300$...it's over. Seriously. Xbox 360 will be in the firesale bin and get pulled from shelves and PS3 will be VERY close to the Wii in sales...who knows what will happen.(PS3 is the priced Xbox 360 launched at and even more expensive!!! ...and still beating the miserable 3fixme!!) Its already dead everywhere around the world except the U.S....where it can't beat the PS3 either.(July is going to be NASTY in NPD and OMG Worldwide sales...PS3 just closed the gap alot this month, 3fixme will be the last place turd next year...I'll bet money on it...if not this year)

Only a fool would doubt the most succesful gaming brand of all time just becuase its still the most expensive console ever made. Soon it will be competitively priced. YES BOTS. Your worst nightmare is going to come true VERY soon.

I want to see Xbox 360 do well, I have a 360. I want to see them make it to 60 million. That will be VERY good for Microsft. I just love rubbing the TRUTH in DELUSIONAL BOTS face's like PogMart @ XboxQueens(same person ofcourse), Jason 360, little pp p, Xgamer,Getr4ped -the most drugged out,racist delusional pu$$y on the interwebs....an absolute MORON who should be beaten-, and all the rest. And Snukadouche....an exteremely desperate and heartbroken Xbox 360 fanboy. Tissue??? 3 fixme is Doomed. :''(

3fixme is going down the tube. There is no saving something...that NO ONE GIVES A SH1T ABOUT OR EVER DID. It sold back to the same 19 million morons who bought the first failure and its already seeing sales come to a creeping hault.

Xbox 3fixme FAILS so hard. It's embarassing.

[Snukadaman]

Ill stick with xbox....why go from one headache to another. I think the bigger failure is you and your sony cheer leading only got 500K people to purchase mgs4 in north america.

"the most drugged out delusional pu$$y on the interwebs"
hello mr kettle.

[-Maverick-]

LMAOOOO In one day?????????????????\

Keep dreaming kid. MGS4 is a CRITICAL HIT and is going to outsale Gears of War and every other game on the 3fixme except maybe Halo.

Keep your dreams alive though ; )

Xbox 360 won't lose. Xbox 360 isn't going to lose by MILLIONS and Millions. It's all fake. Xbox 360 sales are pretty good. Don't you wish it were the truth and the people saying this(that Xbox 360 is virtually dead and will become more so very soon) were joking/had no clue what their talking about?

Haha denial. Yea yea yea. mgs4 sold 1.4 million in ONE DAY. And every bundle in every online retailer/ Walmart is sold out. Don't worry there are more coming. But just in case you can't wait. The bundles are selling upwards of 2,500$ on Amazon and Ebay.

@4.1- I say no to everything. I'm 100% SOBER!!! Unless you consider gaming a drug!! 8D

3 FIX ME FAILS!!!!

[juuken]

Good luck Snuka, sticking with the 360.
Looks like you're gonna need it!

[morganfell]

That's the best you can do Captain snuka? Captain of the Titanic that is. Enjoy your cruise to the bottom. Be sure to check out the view when you get down around 4000 feet. Maybe you can do that Pink Panther trick and jump out right before the ship implodes on the bottom.

[Snukadaman]

You people act as if ps3 has a future...roflmao....that 10 year idea...aint going to happen no matter how much you idiots proclaim. face it...its a race to be in second...ps3 should of passed xbox long time ago..but guess what happened...people found out it was a piece of sheit...even people buying it now realize what buyers remorse means now...you have to install every friggan act in mgs4...no one mentions that huh....ahh well..at least you guys can watch the bucket list on blu-ray huh. sony is third place for a reason...people are not buying into the hyperbole. sony sucks just like most of you mindless droids.

[militant07]

im sure you have no brain
1st microsoft is winning in softwares sales ( mabye 3x of ps3 games)
2nd accessories for 360 sells more MORE MORE

fact: they still making money more and more

3rd : they are still selling consoles but due of MGS4 releasse it become lower same as halo 3 lunch, its only 1 month to back to noraml...

[GameDev]

and it came true, no one wants the borebox 360 anymore.

we also predicted rabid xbot idiots like this one would start foaming at the mouth.

right again on that one.

[juuken]

Snuka, the PS3 has come a very long way since 2006/2007. Everyone thought it was Sony's failed project. That was until Sony got things moving. I am very proud of Sony for not only doing the talk, but doing the walk as well.

They have more work to do, but I am amazed by their turnaround. I remembered back in 2007, the only game I had for the PS3 was Ninja Gaiden Sigma. I resorted to playing PS2 games and sometimes I wouldn't turn on my system for weeks. But now, I can actually say I'm glad I bought a PS3. In-game XMB, Home, exclusives...I can't wait to see what happens next with Sony. MGS4 is by far, one of the best games I have ever played and I'm still on Act One. But that's because I'm taking my time since I'm a semi-new fan to the MGS series.

You can talk as much as you like, but MS is heading downhill with the 360. When I do get my 360, I hope it lasts long enough to at least allow me to play Ninja Gaiden 2. If anything happens to it, I'm sorry but I will only go through the warranty once. After that, I'm either selling it or throwing it out of the window.

And militant07...shut up. That honestly didn't make any sense.

[zethos56]

The PS3 at $300 won't even be close to the Wii. Remember every year there is a new group of 5 year olds wanting to get that piece of crap. The PS3 will REALLY take off when it hits PS2 prices. The casual gamer who plays real games (not wii shovelware) isn't going to spend $300 on a system.

[-Maverick-]

Yea, I agree bro. I don't think PS3 will be beating the Wii already by next year being 300$.... but it will get significantly closer. Now when its gets in the 200/250$ range(where the 3fixme already is and can't sale) THATS when PS3 will be just an incredible buy. I do think PS3 will be closer to Wii sales next year though.

[kingOVsticks]

the Sh!ter.....Thats what you Fcking get M$ for releasing a perfectly good console one year 2 early on the market!

@disagreer oh you know its true the xbox 360 wouldn't have its lead but it would be a damn good console that didn't have such a high failure rate if im wrong challenge my opinion instead of lurking in shadows clicking on "disagree"

@ceedubya9 Thats true but since gears of war came out in its first year as well as saints row not to mention in 07 also big games like halo 3,mass effect etc they could have very well made one of those games their launch titles then turn around had one-two very good games come out every other month it may have even been in second through the year of 2006-2007 but alas there's no way to turn back the pendulum. good point tho

[ceedubya9]

But realistically, they probably would not have been close to Sony or Nintendo if they didn't release when they did. They kind of had no choice if they wanted to be competitive this gen.

[ChampIDC]

Remember, the hardware issue was because MS was being cheap about the chips. If they would have gone with the outside party in the first place, it would have most likely been fine.

Also, kingOVsticks, people like you give PS3 fans a bad rep by bashing on the 360 stupidly and typing like a 12 year old. Grow up, please. I'm sure many PS3 fans would be happy if you stopped giving them a bad name.

[kingOVsticks]

you know man i honestly don't care what you think about me. I had a 360 first,then wii lastly PS3. If anyone's acting like a 12 year old its you for not reading my comment correctly in the first place. If you took your head out your Arse and actually noticed that I said the 360 would have still been ahead of the PS3 if it had been released along the wii and Ps3 because of its wide variety of good games. If I was bashing anything or anyone it's M$ for making poor judgments calls upon the release of the 360. Your know better then me since you took it upon yourself to insult me, so do N4g and me a favor and put me on your ignore list.

[littletad]

I hit disagree by accident, I thought you said "that's what you get for releasing a shi*y console". I thought it was funny at first since your one of the few people I track. So I admit my fault, and yeah I agree. It would be a far better console if it was more reliable. I've never encountered the RROD before but low and behold I still have a disc read error problem. It makes it all the more Ironic when my used ps3 works even better... and of course my Wii is still packaged. And that sounds wrong on so many levels.

[Canis]

I find it strange that Xbox 360 sales are "headed down" when stagnant would be a better word they are barely flutuating. The PS3 is finally gaining traction but a lot of people I know only recently bought a PS3 for MGS4. How long will the MGS4 boost last? Then were back a 100k units + sold a month in the US for both the 360 and PS3. The EU numbers are a mystery but still only a 10k to 30k more for the PS3 than the 360. The key is not the console of choice but the games, with a large majority of third parties going multi-platform to recover development costs. The games that are exclusive timed or otherwise are what will sell consoles.

[RINGOFDEATH]

(PS3)Socom,Resistance 2,Little Big Planet and HOME comes out.

[Elvfam511]

dude there is other games on the ps3 you know not just MGS4

[ThanatosDMC]

Go to Gamestop and check out refurbished or used 360s laying around. It still bothers me that i see elderly people in gamestop nowadays looking for games.

It'd funny to hear your everyday grandma cussing like a mofo playing Gears!

[ChampIDC]

A voice of reason. Thank you. You deserve bubbles.

[juuken]

Not surprising.

[ceedubya9]

Well, the biggest advantage that 360 could have is price, and for some reason, Microsoft isn't taking that advantage.

The 360 has had one price cut since it has been released, and here we are almost 3 years into its life cycle, while the PS3, with its more technically advanced console has been consistantly coming down since its arrival. Regardless of the reason, the PS3 is becoming cheaper for consumers to buy, while the 360 is kind of just stuck in neutral.

The Playstation brand is very popular worldwide, and Microsoft will have a hard time battling that in the forseeable future with its less than stellar adoption in Japan.

The 360 has plenty of great games, and I love it just as much as my PS3, but the sad reality is that the most popular 360 model is only 50 dollars cheaper than a 40 gig PS3 with free online play and built in blu ray player.

I dont' think too many people expected Microsoft to beat out Sony this time around, but sometimes it seems as though they are fine with being where they are instead of doing everything they can to stay ahead of their closest rival.

[Canis]

I think that MS has been satisfied with sales at their price point because they have proved to shareholders that they can compete in the market and make a profit. The next step from a business stand point would be to undercut the competitors with a price cut this holiday season.

[juuken]

...You're kidding, right?

"I dont' think too many people expected Microsoft to beat out Sony this time around, but sometimes it seems as though they are fine with being where they are instead of doing everything they can to stay ahead of their closest rival."

MS is satisfied with where they are? Here are reasons why that's not the case.

1. They trashed Sony for not releasing Home.
2. They trashed Sony on failing to keep promises.
3. They tried to snag as many games as they could just to ruin Sony in Japan, even though they will fail miserably.

MS wants to beat Sony, and badly. Why do you think they released their console first? Why do you think they're throwing money around to buy exclusives and quickly as possible? Why do you think Greenburg and Kim always has something stupid and unrealistic to say?

Sorry, but I don't agree with that statement.

[mistertwoturbo]

"Why do you think Greenburg and Kim always has something stupid and unrealistic to say? "

lol that made me laugh. so true so true

[ceedubya9]

I see your point. But I did say "it seems" as though they are satisfied. They might be, or they might not be. I don't know because I don't work for them.

But do you honestly believe that they are doing everything possible to beat Sony? I don't know if they are. I don't take Microsoft PR talk as them wanting to really beat Sony. To me that's just a way of trying to make themselves look better.

And releasing their console early could have just been a way to try to get their console out and take a big chunk of market share while they could.

For all we know, the 360 could have just been a way to increase awareness of the Xbox brand to make way for the next one in line. But again, its all speculation.

[Canis]

Of course MS wants to win. They also want mindshare and to be seen as a credible competitor to Sony. They are also a publicly owned company with massive cash reserves that are looking to diversify their business interests. They have prove to the shareholders that the bills run up are worth the profit down the line.

[IaMs12]

yes, you have a point but you are forgetting that the 40gig PS3 is not backwards combatible, (YET) at least un til they release the rumored firmware that is suppose to change that... same goes with Xbox Arcade which who buys that really anyways lol??

[juuken]

"But do you honestly believe that they are doing everything possible to beat Sony? I don't know if they are. I don't take Microsoft PR talk as them wanting to really beat Sony. To me that's just a way of trying to make themselves look better."

Yes, you have a point there. They are trying to make themselves look better because somewhere down the line, they know they're fighting a losing battle. You can't expect to conquer a brand name like Sony that easily. MS has constantly underestimated brand loyalty and especially the reputation Sony has for creating three of the best consoles on the market.

But I still believe that MS is doing everything they can to beat Sony, and even Nintendo for that matter.

In other words...they're not very nice. They don't even know the *meaning* of friendly competition.

They like to play dirty.

edit: tool, you can defend MS as much as you like. But MS plays dirty enough to do *anything*, so basically anything is possible. I may be getting a 360 for two games that I want, but I do not like MS being in the gaming industry at all. They know nothing about friendly competition.

[plenty a tool]

how can you honestly think that microsoft could expect to beat sony after two 100mil plus consoles? seeing as the first xbox was a very expensive beach-head, the 360 was more of a consolidation console.

i.e: get them brandawareness, and a place in the market, of which they have started to see fruition. in NA they are competing with sony, and in the UK which is europes biggest game market, the are beating sony month in month out.

i think that microsoft will be hoping for a victory over sony in the next-gen. being as they are one of the worlds most sucessful companys, i dont think they are as niave as internet fanboys in thinking they could dethrone the most dominate and sucessful company in the history of the business. especially in the time-frame.

[The Lazy One]

The people that disagreed with you are naive and ignorant.

[xxBATTLECATxx]

its only an opinion.
i agree, but that doesnt mean its true

[Thoas]

Bye Bye Xbox 360

[Obama]

Despite the 1 year pre-emptive strike, the 360 has already been outsold by the ps3 and the wii in Europe and Asia. It's losing steam fast and it may not even outsell the ps3 in the NA anymore.

[SmokingMonkey]

i literally see the tide turning.
Stockwise and Customer/perception shifting for PS3 over 360.
Wii still dominates. 90% of all incoming phone calls are STILL about the f!ckn Wii?!

[GameDev]

with the guys over at my local GS and even they admit that its over for the 360. They confirmed that PS3 sales are surging while 360 sales are lagging. One of em then went on to exclaim that MS has NOTHING to compete against Sony software wise. and yes Gears 2 will not be enough.
The reason the first one took off is because people saw shiny new graphics, got interested, bought the game, found some halfway decent multiplayer modes and told their buddies about it. The next one wont bring ANYTHING new to the table. Just the same old formula with some new enemies and touched up graphics. Against what Sony is offering that is just beyond pathetic and IMO they should quit the console business NOW.

The trade in value for a 360 USED to be $180, now they tell me its down to $110. IT'S OVER, and I was thinking of trading in 2 360s to get a PS3 for my kid, now even two wont get me enough for a PS3. PWNED.

[Mutley416]

Everybody is missing the Fact that A bunch of people have HI-Def Sets and The best blu-Ray player out is the PS3-

Blu-Rays are taking off, they are everywhere Hi-Def sets are sold....people want them!!! I hear the James Bond series is going Blu-Ray.. What`s next Star Wars? And that is helping+ MGS4 and Xbox and PS3 basically share the same games for the rest of the year... except for a couple Exclusives. So why are people surprised that the Ps3 is on the rise. I could also say something about XBox needs a reliable Sku- But that goes without saying-

[00]

For the 360 and I mean more then just 50 bucks.

[Raoh]

you may have a bestbuy employee who loves his 360. but stores are told to push the ps3. mainly due to tv's.

dont forget that by feb 2009 TV is going high def... everyone and their mama is going to buy a tv this xmas. some are going to want a high def player (ps3). some are going to want a console.. tough decision.......

you keep hearing about this paint by numbers game called halo that people seem to like so much.. and then you are told about the all in one mgs4 bundle console with blu ray and upgradeability..

usher in a new year

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at the end of the day i dont think the 360 is failing. but the rush is over. some are getting both, i did, i just returned my 360 after a while. but alot of gamers for good reason get all the consoles.

the concern will be 2009/2010 will MS announce a new console? if so will they abandon the 360 for the new tech? if so does that give the ps3 another year to run wild? (think about that one if MS releases another console, they are not going to drop AAA games, maybe 1 game. they are going to push them to the new console).

while still far off. what does that mean for NEW 360 adopters?

[The Lazy One]

Games that are expected to launch with a console are more often than not planned to launch with a console before they start serious press and development.

Then you also have public mindset to take into account. If you're releasing a new console, you don't want the year and a half leading up to it to be the crappiest year the previous console had. Having good games on a previous system around the time the new system is launching will get people thinking about the new system that much more.

The 4-6 months before the system launches might be relatively bare of AAA titles because it's business suicide to launch that close to something that will make your product almost insignificant. A whole year or more will definitely not be quite as lackluster.

Those are probably the biggest years for establishing strong new franchises to carry over to the next generation.

[1stKnighT]

"you may have a bestbuy employee who loves his 360. but stores are told to push the ps3. mainly due to tv's."

Still the main reason why the ps3 is selling. Best Buy promotes the bluray more than the video game side.

"dont forget that by feb 2009 TV is going high def"

That's wrong. It's not going high def. It's going digital. Huge difference.

[GameDev]

broadcasters are required to go digital in february, THAT DOES NOT MEAN HI-DEF. just digital, the cheaper brodacasters will buy and A/D, change the transmitter element and voila, they are digital.

[aliveinboston]

A lot of Best Buy employees have a tradition of backing the loser.

Typical best buy employee likes:

-Plasma (although in 90% of viewing situations it looks worse the lcd)
-HD-DVD (obsolete)
-Xbox360 (trending down)

[The Lazy One]

it's trending even.

stagnating is not the same as dropping.

[G1TR4P3D]

lol, people are surprised PS3s are finally selling now that the console's #1 game just came-out. This sales fluke will die-down shortly.

[morganfell]

Head down butt up.

[karlostomy]

Dude, I agree.

MgsIV is an astounding game and its sales and the sales of its ps3 bundle confirm this.

But when it's all said and done, and MGSIV is no longer the flavour of the month, PS3 sales will revert to what they were before. Which is better than 2007 at least...

[OSIRUSSS]

Its not sony. Its SONY. Show some f'n respect you delusional microborg.

[morganfell]

Ah ha ha ha. microborg. Hilarious.

[juuken]

Lol, microborg. I have to start using that now! xDDD

[Obama]

haha nice. I personally like xbugs or xbutts more XD.

[ASSKICKING4U]

respect the X osirusss, suck it...!!!

[RINGOFDEATH]

Of course the release of Metal Gear Solid 4 and it's a BLU Ray player,BLU Ray movies sales are boosting fast.

[1stKnighT]

MGS4 definitely struck interest but it will decline as every other big game has before. And I guess you missed all the reports about bluray but it's losing huge interest with consumers and sales have greatly fallen.

[GameDev]

waiting for my GF and saw people buying PS3's and asking about MGS:4.

MS is done in the console business, they just don't know it yet.

[N2NOther]

Why do people even post here without any sense of thoughht?

MS is done in the console business? Really? With nearly 20 million consoles sold, and making a profit, they're done?

PS3 is picking up, yes, but 360 is only $50 cheaper than the base model so if you're on the fence, you get a lot more functionality from the PS3. But with a price cut around the corner (personally this was mistake as they should have cut the price n April to coincide with GTA) sales are going to pick up again.

Sony is FINALLY releasing big games for it's console but MGS will only take it so far...Remeber with an install base of 120million people only 3 million bought the last game. It's fanbase isn't THAT huge so this "combat high" (sorry) isn't going to last forever. And nothing else coming out this year has that same kind of buzz/interest.

Not that MS has anything that interesting either...I think Fable 2 comes the closest, but it's no system seller. What is going to move 360's this Holiday is the price cut and the library.

[BoneMagnus]

What are you doing, brother! Are you actually writing a fair, non-fanboyish comment!? Wow! You are one brave dude!

In all seriousness - "ditto" everything you wrote!

[GameDev]

N2N just joined this console war yesterday.

Let me spell it out for you junior.

The 360 hasn't even matched the userbase of the original xbox and it is ALREADY fizzling out. Now unless you live in an upside down world your second should be noticeable better than your first, not worse.

Hence MS is going backwards, THEY ARE DONE.

any clearer now??

[The Lazy One]

So does that mean they're done?

your logic is flawed. The majority of console sales happen late in the console lifetime when they reach their lowest prices and are available to the casual mainstream.

in 5 years the original xbox sold 24 million. In 3 years (3/5 the time), the 360 sold 4/5 the total sales.

NOTE: I AM NOT SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT THE PS3 OR 360 WINNING OR FAILING. I AM POINTING OUT THE LOGICAL NONSENSE SPOUTED BY THE IGNORANT GUY ABOVE ME

[Raoh]

sales arent actually bad for blu ray.. blu ray players are slow.. but thats always the case.. i remember when a 2x dvd burner was $500

now that 8x blu ray burners are being manufactured more people will invest in them. that brings the price of the players down.

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digital.. thats what i meant... in either case people are going to buy ps3's with them. not all but a large chunk.

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as for the consoles releasing strong before a new console.... in a world that makes sense, you would be right..

but nothing makes sense here, especially with the market growing so fast...

not only did ms drop the xbox support, some say that it was only to catch up quick this gen..

look back at MS as a company.. this is what they do, in the new out with the old as quickly as possible.

digital distribution will also play a big role in that.. xbox has the xbox originals so screw BC

sony and xbla have some old gen and new smaller games for download

and PSN doing big new games, siren, warhawk, socom, gta 5 prologue

no need to support when you can push digitally

___________

prob there is new internet pricing plans

__________

also with last gen, MS prob doesnt want the 360 to be another ps2 in the sense of still in the game holding people back form upgrading

[tk]

It was expected that the XB360 would go down when the PS3 hits its stride.

What was not expected was that the Wii would woop ass as much as it doing. It is barely twice as powerfull as the previous gen, with a nice controller - and it is selling like hotcakes.

Later in the lifecycle the PS3 will overtake the Wii in sales - but the question will be if it will overtake it in total sales. Maybe if the Wii2 is out. Last gen was the same - cheapest console won, most expensive came in second.

Wii has the controller and casual market. PS3 has the BR / media center market, with highest quality build and some of the best games. Not the cheapest and biggest selling - but MGS4, Uncharted, R&C is in a class of its own. The Elite - so to speak. XB360 is caught in the middle. Some good games, just better than previous gen - nothing new to the market really. Just an also ran for those who wanted to upgrade the previous gen with more power.

Funny that the PS brand seems to make its mark mostly on storage media. First highly successful CD based console, then DVD, now BR.

[GameDev]

that a second rate software company could EVER compete with a japanese manufacturer, the best one in the business at that. I was speaking to one of my representatives for another Japanese manufacturer and he was explaining the mindset. The see NO value in making electronics 480i compatible. That is OLD and I mean OLD tech over there. EVERYONE HAS GONE HI-DEF.They are technically saavy as a people. Whereas over here we still have hillbillies arguing that 1080i and 720p is better than 1080p.
The japanese look at people like that and just laugh.

Hey Im all for having an american product to compete in the console business. If it had been a TRUE innovator and company that knows how to build quality products like Apple, I would be rooting against Sony right now.

[onyxbox]

I think MS will stick around but with global sales not much better than the XBox 1 a public opinion that the hardware is unreliable and a last gen disk that can't play HD moveis that are in shops (i.e. Blu Ray).

I think 360 was a nice stop gap for those who could afford it but it's time to move on now... and move to PS3.

[highdro]

lets wait till the end of the year so we can see who will really win this console war(even tho i bet my money on sony) i want the 360 to relase their AAA GAME GEARS2 and may b fable 2 or too human even tho im not intrested in thoes game (only gears2 i am looking foward 2) if gears2 does not impact their console then nothin will.

[militant07]

Guys look at yourselves before posting any stupid comments

the Real Company Win : by making the most money

the Real win for customer : by having the best console and best game and what paid is worth it

so if you think that you get best games and best console so your winner ? the ps3 gave you that ??

1st. so it not win for you its win for sony , 2nd. there is any competition with 360 games and ps3 ? no, 360 got alot alot more AAA title coming and already released . also online feature...etc

so the real win for me : having 360 because it worth
1- best games ( alot alot alot of AAA titles)
its even hard to own them all
2- best online gaming system
yea true
3- RRoD finally fixed with falcon its hardly die + best controller ever .
4-when your connected ONLINE
you feel that your really connected to everyone even if it offline
because
1- your connect to your msn messenger
2- you can chat/message you friend and what what is they are playing + what is games they got + how many points they got + their friends list ..

THE REAL WIN FOR CUSTOMERS
IS 360 ( i don't ps3 owners happy as 360 owners . that is FACT)

[Spydiggity]

it is definitely the better system.

but be prepared to be hit with dozens of negative feedbacks.

fangirls in denial is a hilarious thing. but dangerous for any of us with common sense...and a 360.

plus at the end of the year, gears of war 2 will probably outsell metal gear, resistance, and killzone 2 combined.

[Yawnier]

Last Generation....

[psycho360]

What i feel is that MS has turned more arrogant now with success of 360 and its software sales. If they dont do something fast regarding their pricing for the consoles, accessories, LIVE they will be soon in 3rd position. And it will then be a very difficult task to get back to 2nd.

So i suggest wake up and get off your high horse and cut down on prices for all items. I woudn't mind renewing my gold membership if i didn't have to pay almost 80$ and not to mention 120gb which is ridiculously overpriced.

[celticlonewolf]

By heading down because 360 sales are up this year from the same time as last year? I mean there is no argument that the ps3 is gaining good ground(about time its a great machine) but I always find it funny when people like this come out with statements like that when the actual FACT is sales are up. 360 is on pace to outsell the original xbox by the end of this year with a price tag that was much higher. We all know that price is now what is holding both consoles back from making more sales and when the price cuts come we will see both sales increase lol heading down that just stupid at the end of this year I bet we will se both systems with increases over last year. Articles like this are written by people who dont really know gaming and just follow the general trend(last year all those idiots talking about the ps3 failing and not looking at the bigger picture and this year people with the 360 even though its selling more)

[Rageanitus]

Market share.... usually when they compare against competition it usually means how much your doing better vs the the competitors.

Sales are up on all ends, ill be worried as a company if it was drastically dropping vs the previous year.

[Rageanitus]

Sounds right.... Xbox fans fail to omit territories outside of USA...... hell even in US xbox is slowly losing ground.

The market share is shrinking for xbox

[kevnb]

They have to choose between games for windows and xbox. They cant compete with themselves and expect both brands to be successful.

[Spydiggity]

ps3 fangirls strike again.

hey morons. metal gear just came out, i'd hope sony would be doing better.

as the hype over that game dies down, so will sales. then it will lvl off til one of the systems gets another big title.

fangirls...stop spamming these forums like you've accomplished something. i'm sure you're not seeing a dime of all this extra money sony appears to be making.

[Bladestar]

People are such ignorants... "headed down" this is just stupid... why? because xbox 360 sales are constant... what did happen is that the PS3 is picking up since it was very low for the longest time... but just because the PS3 is doing better does not mean the xbox 360 is doing worst...

Why is the xbox 360 not selling more? Well microsoft is way ... way over due when it comes to price drop in the US... what are they waiting for? who knows... they are probably testing the waters to see how low the xbox 360 can be compared to the PS3... which I think is a mistake... they should of be more aggressive... announcing more games (use sony strategy even when the game are far into development) and drop the xbox 360 price by $100... They lost lots of money the previous generation... now they are profitable.. they shouldn't be shy about losing a little more if this means beating Sony...
ohh yeah.. and they have to come up with a new model... like a slim version... to try to remove the perception of RROD... it does not matter if they fix it... if it looks like the the orginal xbox 360.. people will always be afraid of RROD.

[TheExodus]

I'd wanted a 360 for the past year, but MS let RRoD become so pervasive that I began to view the 360 as disposable hardware at a premium price. I waited for MS to announce that the 360 had been re-engineered to remove all known defects, but instead they offered a warranty extension. Last week I simply threw in the towel & bought a PS3.

[GameDev]

bladestar 3 months ago: "MS doesn't announce until they are close to release" "sony just likes to make promises about far off games"

bladestar today: "they should of be more aggressive... announcing more games (use sony strategy even when the game are far into development)"

you give new meaning to the word fanboy.

[ROCCOZILLA]

xbox was left in 2007.any gamer can see that the 360 is a console just for kids.PS3 is an HD MONSTER.after playing MGS4 the 360 is old tech.360 fans its over.PLAY B3YOND waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay B3YOND!!

[DFresh]

The games speak for themselves.
PS3 has the better games and the technology to prove it.

[eagle21]

The best Games, Movies, Multimedia are on PS3. It comes down to what consumers demand or are willing to pay for.

I don't need to name the mind blowing list of games, cause when they release, the world will respond to them accordingly. Sony will repeat their great history when they have a $299 console in the store. It's a wrap at that price point.

[ROCCOZILLA]

GAME OF THE DECADE !!! PLAY B3YOND waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay B3YOND!!

[Raoh]

your comments are personal prefferences. i am extremely happy wiht my ps3. i have one in my bedroom and in my living room and plan on a third this xmas.

i had 3 xbox 360's in under a year due to its hardware failure. sure they are better now, but the only ones that will be ok are the ones who buy 360's come august when the jasper mother board drops.

having had both(actually all three) systems. there is only one thing that makes xbox live better than psn. the ability to join a game at any time.

thats it. nothing more. not sure what your reading or who xbox fans are talking to, but i have no problems playing online games or finding people to play with. aside from drop in drop out gameplay thats the only difference. one can mention in game music but thats not an online feature.

as for games.. there are AAA titles out there but you dont really have to like them all. halo is overrated, i thought the halo 3 campaign was ok and still think the online is crap. ps3 has ratchet and clank i never liked that franchise so i passed on it.
gaiden i thought was not that good of a game either. played both the xbox and ps3 ones didnt like them.

the games are all preference anyway, for online shooter, to me socom is the best, to you it may be halo, someone can come in and call us both idiots and tell us that battlefield is the best online shooter.

all personal opinion

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so to your response:

company win. Sony makes profit, even with selling their console at a loss. figures were in after its first year.

MS were excited that their gaming division were finally going to see a profit with halo after loosing billions since the conception of the xbox.

which is odd since robbie back is talking about finally making a profit now? did the earnings from their gaming division take a turn with 1billion + repairs and patents and paying out of pocket for content?

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as for the gamer experience. mgs4, uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Resistance etc.. i'm very happy, streaming, blu ray player, yes i have quite a few blu ray movies like Lost season 3, I am legend etc.. i also tinker with linux on my ps3.. a hard drive in every ps3 means unlike the core/arcade 360 i can get online with games like burnout that require a cache on the drive, built in wireless and when i buy games like mlb 2k8 i dont have to download the content that didnt fit on the dvd

last night after work i played mgs4, wanted to finally beat the game. took breaks in between. the ps3 was on since 7pm to about 4am this morning. when i touched it, the ps3 was cool as ice, so i watched a movie on it while i went to sleep.

with all that said... did i get what i paid for and am i happy with my console? yes i am.

as for all that msn messenger and chit chat nonsense.. when i had my xbox 360 the first thing i would do is turn off my online notification.. no i dont want to play gears of war with you, i loaded up marvel ultimate alliance for a reason, if i wanted to play gears i would have loaded it up. no i dont want to discuss random chit chat stop sending me messages, no i dont want to see your halo 3 footage stop clogging up my inbox.

after my third 360, i debated my live renewal.. decided to not renew it, but then, what good is a 360 without live? no need for this box then. got rid of it.

now before you have a heart attack. i'm telling you that my personal experience tells me that the 360 is not for me and that it does not offer me the experience i want. i have some friends who strongly disagree and some who dont care as they also own all the consoles so makes no difference to them. but if your basing gamer win on having games you like then the answer is yes i do feel i as a gamer won.

i still have siren too look forward to, socom confrontation, heavy rain, resistance and a few titles (speaking of online experience. PSN offers new titles like gt5, socom, warhawk for digital distribution, live gets original xbox games and undertow? hmm doesnt sound very digital age to me)

you have gears and banjo? (by the way gears is a great game and will miss being able to play part 2 but such is life)

[TheExodus]

PS3: $399
MSG4: $59

Falling asleep in the middle of Act 3 & not waking up the next morning in a panic: Priceless

[Oner]

Excellent post Raoh. What you have commented is exactly what many millions of Sony (& PS3) owners feel....a sense of worth for what they paid for. The BEST Value for the cost of investment. Certain types can "try" & argue this, that and the other but the honest truth is hands down you will not find a better option.

I am unsure of what M$ will ultimately do but I have an idea...just like their last system they will dump out quick & try to make some more quick money at the expense of their followers by releasing another console in the next few short years (2 or so, if not a bit sooner). Call me crazy but I love my money and I want to get the most out of what I spend, and the last 2 gens Sony has not disappointed.

That's not to say I do not appreciate any other console manufacturers or that I don't own/game on others (as I own at least 10 different consoles at least). It's just I like to, as they say "Work smarter, not harder" and that correlates to me, my work/way of income & my money.

To put it simply if you buy something that consistently malfunctions was it worth the money spent? Quality does not only mean gameplay to me, it is a culmination of a few factors like stability, support, past history, build standards, performance and more. If I "lose out" on a very few titles just to avoid headaches, then it's not really a "loss" then huh? While on the flip side it's only a plus plus situation and the benefits truly outweigh playing a handful of games I personally don't like (which are a majority of FPS's on consoles, though mainly the 360) since I can get them on my PC.

Maybe I'm selfish but I want the most out of ANYTHING electronic and if certain companies fall short it's not my fault that manufacturer didn't commit/provide/fulfill what I wanted.

[GameDev]

there was an article about men over 30 being the primary PS3 owners.
You see when we bring a woman over to our pad, it EASILY passes for sleek HI-DEF entertainment center. try doing that with a 360 and its geeky controller and headset. That spells 20 something fat@ss if anything ever did.

[Dmack79]

Are you kidding me?!?!?! OFCOURSE THE PS3 WILL WIN! I wonder what all of the doubters are saying now? it makes me laugh just thinking about it! :D

[steck67]

I think that by the end of 2009, the 360 would be outsold by the ps3 and wii putting itself in 3rd place. PS3 is starting to get good exclusives games like, Little Big Planet, Final Fantasy 13 and versus, and God of War 3, which all can sell systems. MGS4 was just the beginning of sonys great exclusive line-up, and as time goes, it just gets better. Nothing wrong with the 360 though, it's a great console with great games like GeoW2 and Alan Wake, but I honestly think that PS3 will top the 360 pretty soon.

[Solid_Snake666]

is that if its free

[GIJeff]

I think the 360 is the last actual console we will see from MS for a while. Bill is gone, and while they will keep the "xbox" games division, there will be no hardware console other than your PC. MS makes enough money for live to bring live over to strictly PC, and charge users for downloadable content to the PC. The 360 will limp along until 2010, then support will be cut in favor of them pushing downloads and live to PC. MS is a software company, and they know that's where they make their money. Shoot, I might even get a "gamer tag" and join live if I didn't have to deal with the 360 to do it. It only makes sense from a development/money stance to quit consoles and go PC. After all, lets not forget the 360 is just a faulty, under performing LAN rig.

[Canis]

I doubt that the 360 will be the last MS console just like there will be a PS4. MS is a software company that is diversifying into any market they think they can compete in. Sony is a corporation that has restructured is focusing resoldifying its reputation as the leader in its fields while competing with emerging and younger companies in the consumer electronics market (see Samsung, Mitsi. and others). The most important thing is that games that are enjoyed and are profitable are produced (the more profitable the more games). The necessity of individuals to align with only one console is strange. I prefer the 360 for the games available at this time, as more games I like become available my preference may shift to the PS3, either way it is about the games and not the console. The fewer individuals in the console market the fewer choice available.

[GIJeff]

but, MS doesn't profit often (once since the 1st xbox), it doesn't make sense for them to go on like this. However, I can easily see MS making Xbox just like windows media center, or maybe even a part of media center. They wouldn't have to create a console, gamers do that for themselves when they piece together systems. That would save MS millions in R&D. The PC is Microsoft's strong point. They could include Live trials in windows 7, and perhaps halo 4... All I am saying is that MS has poured billions and billions and not gotten it back into the xbox project. Bill had some crazy vision of making everyone's living room a MS living room. Apple/sony is going to beat them there already because blu-ray stuck, they're pretty much screwed at this point. And Xbox being just a shell for windows isn't going to shrink the games market at all, your choices will still be there. Sony is a consumer electronics company, and is in no way like MS, which is a software company. MS simply dabbles in hardware, and if it was smart, would dabble out of it.

[ASSKICKING4U]

No matter how hard Sony fans try to embrace their console they cant stop the X, SUCK it!!!XXXX hahaha.
Anyway, in case you guys havent noticed most of the comments come from sony fanatics and they are very angry words, so I come to a conclusion that they either dont have any GOOD AAA games to play or they are jealous of the fun you can have with the 360, because so far the only difference I've seen is the Blue ray and trust me, that is the main reason their sales are goin up. But if you wanna have fun, STOP complaining and get the best console in the planet, get online, send messages, chat with messenger friends, download HD movies and Music videos or just keep on waiting for your precius home wich is coming out in ???? a few more months???? is it this year or??? oh yeah dont worry sony wont let you down it will be here when it gets here, hahaha..!!

[muddygamesite]

"But if you wanna have fun, STOP complaining and get the best console in the planet, get online, send messages, chat with messenger friends, download HD movies and Music videos"

But thats the thing... How can you have fun when your mind isn't at ease? because any moment with your xbox360 could be its last, so there is no fun in having no confidence in the reliability of your console.

And speaking of movies, No console out there handles movie playback like the PS3. Once you put in a 250gb Hard drive (any 2.5" SATA, and not a proprietary overpriced storage unit that exists for the xbox360), put your MPEG4 or DIVX movies on it, you have a real multimedia device right there. Photos, Music, all dont expertly and professionally on the PS3.

Of-course seeing as you have never had the privilege to handle such high tech machinery as the PS3, you're still stuck in the past with your Overheated Jet-fighter that is headed backwards.

[theoneandonly]

All these random nonsense predictions will crumble to dust once Gears 2 comes out. That and its dominant shooters will keep 360 in total domination.

I have to admit, for a while even I thought that the Playstation free-three would catch up or somehow outclass the Xbox360 even though the 360 is clearly the superior console.

There were doubts, like Metal Gear Solid somehow becoming more than a niche success and going on to be Sony's killer app.

But no longer, I can truthfully say to this day proudly that there isn't a single game I miss on playstation 3 -- Not a single one!

The only game I was ever interested in, Final Fantasy 13 has been blown away and smashed into utter smithereens by better RPGs.

Whom do I speak of? The master of Square-Enix, the true lord of the Jedi and the RPG genre. Hironobu Sakaguchi.

This man's games like Lost Odyssey capture the spirit and essence of what made Final Fantasy so good to begin with, as Lost Odyssey was the true Final Fantasy 12 I wanted to play all along.

That and Lost Odyssey 2 will clearly be even better, and Sakaguchi is a big Gears of War fan. This plus the likes of Mass Effect the game, make the 360 the Must-Own console of the millennium.

When Sakaguchi chose the 360 exclusively as his new development platform, I knew he was betting his chips and it'd pay off. I knew the rest of the RPG developers would follow.

Now that has come true, as Tetsuya Nomorua the ignorant boyscout who only sells his games nowadays using leather-fetishes and tight pants--has been utterly decimated, destroyed by the superior RPG experience.

I thought Square-Enix would be smart, and try buying out their other developers to keep them away from 360 lest it rebounds and becomes a deathblow finishing move for the Playstation 3.

Alas, they did not. And Tri-Ace, the renowned masters of creating some of the best RPGs of all time has fully embraced the 360 now.

I wouldn't be surprised if based on this news, that Microsoft doesn't just completely buy Tri-Ace and have them join as a second party just like Mistwalker in order to combat Squaresoft.

The new Squaresoft has lost all its talent, alot of its credibility, and is more familiar and sanquine to idiots like Tetsuya Nomura going on temper tantrum rants because people despise his artwork. Or Nomura bashing the west because they did something better than he did, ie: Mass Effect, and care more about games than they do about countries.

With the new absolute split from Square-Enix and the old teams joining the 360, we finally get to see RPGs which re-capture what that overbloated corporation has lost. Classics like Secret of Mana are now unavoidable on the 360.

As Tales of Vesperia comes out on 360 exclusively with no planned port to the ps3 in japan except perhaps years out, this has become remarkably clear. The same has happened for Infinite Undiscovery and the heavy-hitter RPG Star Ocean 4-- Which simply looks breathtaking.

Neither will really make an appearance on PS3 especially IU, unless they are done as spinoffs. That day shall not ever come unless Nomura was fired and the Final Fantasy series went multiplatform completely.
http://www.famitsu.com/game...
http://gamersyde.com/stream...

Star Ocean 4 and Infinite Undiscovery will completely obliterate Final Fantasy 13 and FF13 Aurelias, and Microsoft Japan still have yet more cards and RPGs to come at that.

Ninja Gaiden 2 has been locked up entirely for 360 only published under microsoft, same for Fable 2.

What first party games does Sony have that even come close?

And now with the Killer Instinct fighting returning to the world on 360 exclusively, the battle is over, the war has been won.

I predict (generously) that the 360 finishes out in Japan this generation with 1 million consoles sold total. More could always be possible but that's my prediction. An effective mass-loss to the PS3 which barely beats its userbase by 2x in Japan and loses to the Nintendo WII on a massive bloody scale--Over 4 to 1. The WII wins, PS3 distant second, and the 360 tears into the PS3 in third in Japan.

The victory party is at hand because the 360 will NEVER lose its lead in Europe, obviously North America stays the way it is. The Playstation is effectively finished. It LOST this generation and the Xbox360 will TEAR into its lead even FURTHER come 2012 when the next consoles launch in Japan!!!!!!!

Take that you arrogant back-stabbing pricks at Sony, and I already heard a new song coming out: Its called SAKAGUCHI is buying the rights to Chrono Trigger!!!!!!! We shall have Trigger back in our hands, on the true RPG system, the Xbox and we shall change everything as Chrono Trigger is the best RPG ever made!!!! NOT Final Fantasy........So much for that!

[mightydog01]

reported as spam. spam some where else

[karlostomy]

wait..wait...

you report this lone pro 360 comment as spam, but the 50+ Fanboy/girl anti 360 comments don't get reported?

WTF?

mightydog, I have reported your comment as SPAM

[juuken]

I can counter all of those arguments right now.

"All these random nonsense predictions will crumble to dust once Gears 2 comes out. That and its dominant shooters will keep 360 in total domination."

Total domination? I find that hard to believe! The PS3 has been outselling the 360 for months. MGS4 helped push sales even further, and is marked as one of the greatest PS3 games ever created. Gears of War 2 looks about the same because I don't see anything remotely special about it. They're still action figures in overgrown suits!

"I have to admit, for a while even I thought that the Playstation free-three would catch up or somehow outclass the Xbox360 even though the 360 is clearly the superior console."

The 360 is the superior console?!
What the hell have you been smoking?

1. The 360 still has a high failure rate.
2. It's only "superior" in software. But that will soon change.

I cannot believe you bots are THAT delusional to believe that this console is superior! I only want two games from that system, and if it does break on me, I will save myself the headache and sell it. I find it hard to believe that the 360 is the superior console when MS can't even fix their hardware issues back in 2007! There's already talks about a new console!

"There were doubts, like Metal Gear Solid somehow becoming more than a niche success and going on to be Sony's killer app."

Because it IS a killer app! This game received so many tens that it's mind boggling! I've seen a few bots runnin' around scared when this game came out! And on top of that, they claimed it will be on the 360 sooner or later! Lmfao!

"But no longer, I can truthfully say to this day proudly that there isn't a single game I miss on playstation 3 -- Not a single one!"

Oh, you'll be missing a lot alright. You'll be missing MGS4, Resistance 2, Killzone 2, and some of Sony's secret games. Oh, you'll be missing FFXIII and FFXIII Versus! *Only* on the PS3!

"The only game I was ever interested in, Final Fantasy 13 has been blown away and smashed into utter smithereens by better RPGs."

LMFAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AO! FFXIII isn't even finished yet you jackass! How could you compare the *better* rpg's to FFXIII when production for the game has yet to be finished! Wow, failure at it's best!

"Whom do I speak of? The master of Square-Enix, the true lord of the Jedi and the RPG genre. Hironobu Sakaguchi."

...Oooookay buddy.

"This man's games like Lost Odyssey capture the spirit and essence of what made Final Fantasy so good to begin with, as Lost Odyssey was the true Final Fantasy 12 I wanted to play all along."

Lost Odyssey does sound interesting so I won't disagree with that. But seriously, it can't match up to any of the FF games. Stop playing yourself, please.

"That and Lost Odyssey 2 will clearly be even better, and Sakaguchi is a big Gears of War fan. This plus the likes of Mass Effect the game, make the 360 the Must-Own console of the millennium."

1. It isn't even out yet.
2. It could be a flop for all we know right now.

"When Sakaguchi chose the 360 exclusively as his new development platform, I knew he was betting his chips and it'd pay off. I knew the rest of the RPG developers would follow."

Again, the games aren't out yet nimrod.

"Now that has come true, as Tetsuya Nomorua the ignorant boyscout who only sells his games nowadays using leather-fetishes and tight pants--has been utterly decimated, destroyed by the superior RPG experience."

How many times are you going to use *superior*? I bet you can't even define superior.

"I thought Square-Enix would be smart, and try buying out their other developers to keep them away from 360 lest it rebounds and becomes a deathblow finishing move for the Playstation 3."

How is this a blow? The PS3 is still getting a good share of rpg's this year and next year. FFXIII and FXIII Versus are highly anticipated PS3 games. Just because MS were a couple of greedy sh*theads to buy out rpg's that the Japanese won't even buy considering it's on a faulty system, doesn't mean that the PS3 doesn't have it's own secret stash of ammunition. MS were getting freakin' desperate when they bought out those rpg's!

"Alas, they did not. And Tri-Ace, the renowned masters of creating some of the best RPGs of all time has fully embraced the 360 now."

...Wow. The bots have really fallen off their rocker now. What amazes me is that Square is *still* focused on getting FFXIII and Versus out on the PS3! Square wanted to balance the amount of rpg's they released on both systems. They wanted to make a better impact in the Western market. It's not because of the fact they think the 360 is dominate moron. That's why you have Tri-Ace working on 360 rpg's (which will most likely fail to pull the Japanese people off of handhelds or even the PS3 for that matter), and Square focusing on the heavier rpg's on the PS3. Oh please...you're getting rpg's because Square chose the 360!

What a joke!

"I wouldn't be surprised if based on this news, that Microsoft doesn't just completely buy Tri-Ace and have them join as a second party just like Mistwalker in order to combat Squaresoft."

What MS ought to do is focus on their hardware and make it more reliable instead of trying to monopolize the gaming industry!

"The new Squaresoft has lost all its talent, alot of its credibility, and is more familiar and sanquine to idiots like Tetsuya Nomura going on temper tantrum rants because people despise his artwork. Or Nomura bashing the west because they did something better than he did, ie: Mass Effect, and care more about games than they do about countries."

And you would know this...how? I bet they prove you wrong with FFXIII and Versus.

"With the new absolute split from Square-Enix and the old teams joining the 360, we finally get to see RPGs which re-capture what that overbloated corporation has lost. Classics like Secret of Mana are now unavoidable on the 360."

More delusional statements.

"As Tales of Vesperia comes out on 360 exclusively with no planned port to the ps3 in japan except perhaps years out, this has become remarkably clear. The same has happened for Infinite Undiscovery and the heavy-hitter RPG Star Ocean 4-- Which simply looks breathtaking."

1. It's Japan with a capital J.
2. How do you know they will be heavy hitting? Do you have a crystal ball? Because Japanese people are mostly waiting for FFXIII and Versus, which will be *true* heavy hitters *only* on the PS3.

"Neither will really make an appearance on PS3 especially IU, unless they are done as spinoffs. That day shall not ever come unless Nomura was fired and the Final Fantasy series went multiplatform completely.
http://www.famitsu.com/game...
http://gamersyde.com/stream...

Stranger things have happened.

"Star Ocean 4 and Infinite Undiscovery will completely obliterate Final Fantasy 13 and FF13 Aurelias, and Microsoft Japan still have yet more cards and RPGs to come at that."

We'll see about that, because FFXIII and Versus are shaping up to be revolutionary rpg's.

"Ninja Gaiden 2 has been locked up entirely for 360 only published under microsoft, same for Fable 2."

Lol, you can't even spell Microsoft! It's Microsoft with a capital M!
MS is only the publisher of NG2. Tecmo owns the IP rights, which means they could make a spinoff of NG2, *or* create a new Ninja Gaiden for the PS3 that has nothing to do with the NG2 plot! If MS owned the IP rights, then yes NG2 would stay forever on the system. But they don't, so kindly stop talking crap.

"What first party games does Sony have that even come close?"

GOD OF WAR III SAYS HELLO!

"And now with the Killer Instinct fighting returning to the world on 360 exclusively, the battle is over, the war has been won."

...I reckon the bots need some heavy medication because they have really gone nuts! The war has been won?! Lmfao! You're kidding me, right?

"I predict (generously) that the 360 finishes out in Japan this generation with 1 million consoles sold total. More could always be possible but that's my prediction. An effective mass-loss to the PS3 which barely beats its userbase by 2x in Japan and loses to the Nintendo WII on a massive bloody scale--Over 4 to 1. The WII wins, PS3 distant second, and the 360 tears into the PS3 in third in Japan."

I predict that you are an idiot. How's that?

"The victory party is at hand because the 360 will NEVER lose its lead in Europe, obviously North America stays the way it is. The Playstation is effectively finished. It LOST this generation and the Xbox360 will TEAR into its lead even FURTHER come 2012 when the next consoles launch in Japan!!!!!!!"

I still predict that you are an idiot.

"Take that you arrogant back-stabbing pricks at Sony, and I already heard a new song coming out: Its called SAKAGUCHI is buying the rights to Chrono Trigger!!!!!!! We shall have Trigger back in our hands, on the true RPG system, the Xbox and we shall change everything as Chrono Trigger is the best RPG ever made!!!! NOT Final Fantasy........So much for that!"

I smell desperation...it's radiating off of you. You exhausted yourself there buddy. Just don't have a seizure when your predictions turn out wrong and the PS3 once again comes out in first place.

AND THE LINKS DON'T EVEN WORK! How in the world can you come up with a solid case for the 360 when your own links don't even work?!

[Diablo2343]

Where in this article does this yanker back up what he states?

[dkgshiz]

Theirs zero good games out this year for the 360. Besides GOW 2. I hate the 360. It just belongs in a dumpster.

[mightydog01]

ps3 been out selling 360 since 2007 even when halo was release and nothings change....Only now its getting hammered.......We all know ps3 going to overtake 360. Once that happens micro will pull the plug and bring out another piece of sh1t and the xbox suckers will buy into it again

[Obama]

You meant it belongs to the dumpster so that the homeless can keep themselves warm? That's the only thing it's good for XD.

[joeynox]

I'm happy there's a ps alternative. It makes buying consoles and game better for us. Also I happen to love my launch 360.Personally I dont care who wins the market share thing because in the end it means nothing.All 3 consoles are going to sell for a few more years until the next next gen pops up.What MS did was cut the ps fandom in peices and gave hardcore gamers another system .I jump from my 360 to my ps3 all the time.I have always hated the ps controller and think the sticks are positioned awkwardly.I want to use my 360 controller to play uncharted.

These articles are junk and who ever approves them are fools.Everyday we can post articles stating that either the 360 or the ps3 are gaining and losing,it just never ending and its sickening how this site has become the joke of gaming sites.

[abczby]

F*cking the only reason PS3 is outselling Xbox 360 recently is obviously because the release of Metal Gear Solid 4, I even bought a PS3 for Metal Gear Solid 4 because everyone was saying how amazing it is (don't believe me? add me my PSN is H_J_C) though I strongly disagree. Once the beginning of September hits PS3 is done for. Xbox 360 is getting Gears of War 2, Fable 2, exclusive GTA IV content, Too Human, Age of Conan, Splinter Cell: Conviction, Alan Wake, Left 4 Dead, Theseis, and Banjo Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts. All of those titles are Xbox 360 exclusives and come out between the time frame of September 2008 - December 2008. PS3 has SOCOM: Confrontation, Resistance 2, and LittleBigPlanet. Noting else. Good luck competing with the Xbox 360s line-up fan-boys.

[Surfman]

youre funny. PS3 Line-up is way better than your BrokeBox 360. Just admit your 360's life ends soon. Very soon.

[abczby]

Metal Gear Solid 4 sucks. Yell at me about that one now you PS3 fan-boys. (Before you go insane, add me on PSN I'm H_J_C and I can tell you in person why I think PSN and Metal Gear Solid 4 suck, because I own all 3 of the next-gen systems and the only one that is any good is the 360)

[Mutley416]

Granted The PSN is not as Nice as XMB...But MGS4 Sucks...LOL gl getting anybody to add you to your PSN.