Destiny's Vault Of Glass shattered by just 3 players. Is this the end?

MWEB GameZone writes: "Any massively-multiplayer online fan will tell you that endgame content is crucial for the longevity of an MMO type game. We are prepared to go through the grind to collect epic gear as long as we have the promise of challenging endgame raids. Bungie promised Destiny players an endgame challenge so hard that six of the best won't be able to beat it.

Well, three did, and we predict this means the end for Destiny. In a few months time, there will be an exodus of Guardians.

Destiny is leaving players with a sense of failure. Failure because a victory was handed to them. "

[plut0nash]

3 Players? :/ I sort of expected this. difficulty is non-existent in the face of determination and skill.

[HanCilliers]

I strongly disagree with your statement. Devs need to present proper endgame content, they have to challenge players, especially in an MMO type game. That's why we play it for years on end. It's not that hard, balance gear stats with raid difficulty. Wow, Rift, etc have shown how it's done.

[UnwanteDreamz]

Hans how many times have you beat the VoG with 3? When you can accomplish this feat you have a reason to gripe about end level difficulty. I'd like to know how many times you have completed the raid on normal. I found it extremely challenging.

[Cryptcuzz]

Please upload a video of yourself and two others completing the vault of glass, only then can you talk about the end game being too easy.

When others can achieve something never yet thought possible, its easier to talk little of it after the fact. Hey at least you got a few clicks to your blog right?

[Conzul]

I did a normal VoG last night. It took us 4 hours, since 5 of us had done it before. Still challenging & fun. Snagged some raid set gear and the Legendary Sparrow.

They will release more Raids, and harder.
I foresee Raids for teams of 12 and teams of 3. I even see the possibility of a competitive Raid, with two teams vying for the same treasure. Now THAT would be dope / intense.

[Johnsonparts23]

lol idiot.

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

I finally started playing Destiny and I'm really enjoying it, it's a go at your own pace kind of game, it can be easy or hard depending what level you're at and what level the mission, and one of the biggest things about the gameplay is that the AI doesn't follow you outside of a certain zone, so you can choose to be aggressive and go at enemies in close or you can snipe and choose your spots and hide behind cover until you health bar is full again.(of course some enemies have shields that regenerate so you have to be more aggressive against them)

Like an MMO, it rewards you for the work you put and there's a lot to explore. The game looks like Halo, but it actually works more like World of Warcraft and those kind of games.

Anyway, as far as the super hard missions like Vault of Glass, that's not for me I'm not some obsessed super frag guy or anything. Once I pass the main story and I've feel I've had enough of the game I'll just put it down and move on to another game and I'll feel Destiny was a success if I enjoyed most of it, so I don't get this about the end of Destiny because 3 people were able beat the Vault of glass. What does that have to do with my enjoyment of the game? I like to play the game alone, I'm not much of a social gamer.

[HanCilliers]

Really enjoyed reading this perspective. Perhaps the server won't empty after all :) Maybe the time for hard core endgame raiding is past ;)

[SMcNu715]

It's not really THAT hard once you know what you are doing, and quite frankly it's the best part of the game, it would be a shame of you don't try it!

[DARK WITNESS]

I disagree about the reward you for the work you put in part.. it gives you a gift now and then just for playing.

There is no reward for hard work thanks to the horrible RNG.

I did the vault of glass last night in one run. I am a level 29. I got nothing but shards for my reward.

After the effort put in I can't say I felt rewarded. It's just a game of chance. the only effort you put in is time. you have just as much chance of being rewarded with an exotic from Vault as you do from PVP or doing a strike, or just opening a random chest. Can't really say that is rewarding in anyway.

it may be fairer for people who don't always play the vault or people who only play pvp ,but it an't rewarding.

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

Maybe the server will indeed get empty, I don't know. My opinion has nothing to do with what other people think, or why they play the game. I'm just saying I'm more of a single player type of gamer and so far Destiny can be a pretty enjoyable game for single player also.

I'm more into games like Final Fantasy, The Last of Us, Dark Souls or Grand Theft Auto, you know single player adventures, but I'm probably the minority, most of Destiny's players are probably people who like Halo and Call of Duty games.

@DARK WITNESS

I just mean it rewards you with experience points, the more you play the more you level up, you get more abilities and you can use better armor and weapons of your choosing, so you can play the game in your own unique way, for me that's enough.

And if you're level 29, you pretty much already beat the game and played for a lot of hours, and you must of liked it if you played it that long. I mean what else do want from a game? You beat the game so move on. When I beat Final Fantasy X, it took like 70 hours and it was great but it was over and I never played it again. It was a great game, but I finished it?? What else would I want?

LOL, I guess I'm just a different breed of gamer than most of the online frag boys playing Destiny.

[DARK WITNESS]

That kind of highlights my point.

I am a level 29 but not so much cos of the hours I put in.

I have friends who have played more hours then me but are stuck at 27/28.

I just got lucky in that the first time I did the raid I got part of the raid gear which has pushed me up to 29. Other people have completed it more times then me, but have not had any raid gear drops, so they have not got past 28.

I have enjoyed some elements of it/ if I didn't I would not have got past 10 I think.

[Am_Ryder]

I loved this post - but you're in for a nasty surprise, Bubbles.

Just like you, I took it at my own pace and enjoyed it for what it was and got immersed in it.

Then after a few hours, when it felt like it was just getting going, the story ended. That was it. There's no second act- there's barely even a first act. Destiny basically doesn't have any content for players like you and I- the amount of content it does have is way, way less than there should be.

If you want to get your money's worth/have the best time you can with it, you better start grinding to get up to level 26 or 27 for the Raids... Though the grinding itself can be dang fun.

[KnightRobby]

Why is a difficult end-game so important? I just think the game is missing a ton of content reserved for DLC, obviously. I think all games need to provide multiple difficulty settings. Some of us like the extreme challenge, others don't. Dying a billion times while shooting an enemy that takes a ridiculous amount of damage does not sound like fun. I think it is obvious now that the 6 veterans that left BUngie during the development of Destiny had more influence than we all initially thought.

The game is still a blast in its own way, especially in PVP and some strikes. But to make the Raids so stupidly difficult and hard to access (no matchmaking) is not good game design.

[Sillicur]

Difficult end-game is important for a long game life. The more difficulty creates longevity in a game, as players stive week after week to progress a little further.

[joab777]

This is common for mmo's. A raid is released. It takes time to beat and there the best begin tackling it with less ppl. It's nothing new.

And Destiny will live or die by its content and whether they add the social features ppl want. For one, my only real gripe, make the gear and content consistent. Don't create all this gear and then have raid gear be all that levels to 30. Or allow us to customize the looks w a vanity system.

And don't release content like Queens Wrath again. U get the same 2 pieces of armor that can't be broken down. U get no rep for the missions, and many of the bounties u can't even do. And the rewards are what? A shader and emblem. Even the iron banner has gear that levels to 27. NO ONE WILL USE IT!!!!

[Lawboy2]

Wait....how did they open up the portals in the final boss..doesn't the final boss send the farthest three players in the portal automatically

[HanCilliers]

They used the Sun Singer’s Resurrection

[OmegaShen]

Level 30's as for the final boss, I call bs.

[BlackWolf12]

They used SunSingers Resurrection ability to re-open the portal.

[OmegaShen]

Ok, its comes in handle.

[lord zaid]

Not too surprising. There will always be these gamer outliers that just crush games. Look at some of these speed runs we see in gaming. Some people just have skills, either through natural talent or hardwork.

Totally unsurprised by this.

[HanCilliers]

Again I disagree, as an MMORPG player I can tell you it's not suppose to be this easy. Ask any vanilla WoW player just how hard endgame raiding is suppose to be. You are only suppose to beat raids when your gear, team combination and starts are perfect.

[NovusTerminus]

It's not like this is a normal thing, it's the first raid. And it took the first players 13 hours to beat it. Just because someone can, doesn't mean the mission is as easy as they make it seem.

[Lawboy2]

@ lord me

Yes at the beginning it was taking ppl a while to beat but I'd say after a week ppl were beating in in under 2 hours and this is fairly common now...this is on normal mode ofcourse

[UnwanteDreamz]

Again Hans how many times have you done it? Please post a vid showing us how easy it is. To hear you talk anyone can do it. So lets see it.

[rainslacker]

To put that in perspective...Wow became more popular when raids were a little more forgiving, and everyone could get into end game content without the massive grind to make everything perfect.

Of course...blizzard has taken it too far now IMO, but that's a different matter.

[Gh05t]

1: The person recording has completed the raid 39 times before this.
2: The gear used was probably about as perfect as they could get.
3: The team worked pretty well together.

"You are only suppose to beat raids when your gear, team combination and starts are perfect."

Check, Check, Check...

I for one have only done about half the raid. Its not for me. I don't like how it feels like the same thing over and over but to say its too easy is a bit of a stretch and even if it is these are the exceptions not the rule.

[Shadonic]

there's also tricks and what not to go along with it that can help players bypass certain challenges laid out by developers completely as well.

[HoldenZA]

Sounds like the time the kids from South Park saved the World of Warcraft

[SliceOfTruth888]

the hell kind of article is this? 3 people figured out how to beat a 2 week old mission that has been dissected in every which way by video and text......Me and 5 of my friends went into the Vault blind last night and couldnt get past the second part after 3 hours....I imagine just like everything else after we practice we can beat this many times over.....This may be the most pathetic article ever

[SamPao]

Sriously...Its like they are not gamers at all.
Negativity all over the article

[HanCilliers]

Can you name one WoW endgame raid which was beaten by half of the required players? Can you name any endgame raid from any MMORPG's?

[UnwanteDreamz]

Oh I see you are mad its not WoW. Go play WoW if its a deal breaker. I thought the raid was great. One of the more challenging things Ive done as a gamer in recent memory. If I thought I could pull it off with three I would agree with your concern but after playing it I really dont think I could. I think compairing Destiny to WoW is unfair.

[rainslacker]

Can't speak for the latest expansion of wow, but every raid in cataclysm was beatable by half the number of players once those players completed heroic versions.

Most in WoTLK were as well, except a few in ICC which required more players to handle certain events.

[Cryptcuzz]

What are you going on about WoW for? This is Destiny not WoW, so stop comparing them to that game. It has similar elements to an MMO and the similarity between the two game ends there.

This Whole thread has you complaining and comparing RAIDS in Destiny and WoW as your main point. Like really? Are you stupid?

Who the hell cares (except for you apparently) that VoG was beaten by three people that happened to be highly skilled/disciplined/coordinate d/had the super rare gears like Vex MythoClast a month after the game has been released.

Come back and blog about it when even a third of the people that are playing Destiny are beating VoG with just three people. As of right now, only three have. In the mean time, why don't you go watch end game WoW RAID videos on YouTube, since you seem to be so wet about it.

[Tedakin]

My copy of Destiny is currently on ebay.

[Sillicur]

Why? Did you not enjoy the endgame?

[GabeSA]

I cant say im surprised considering how many videos have been posted on YouTube or streamed via Twitch showcasing the entire Raid. If you have ever seen the entry point into the Raid you could understand why in the beginning it was incredibly difficult to find a way through. Then its where the spawn points are for the hordes, and what tactics work best. Also, gamers eventually figures out their best weapons and armor, and special abilities for the characters. Ive done a WoW raid and there is as much tactical requirement in this raid as it is with VoG. Not totally unexpected.

[Sillicur]

Although it is true what you are saying, it is still unheard of that half of the players required clear a current content raid in a MMO.

So quickly after the game's launch as well, very unexpected. I have a feeling there is something inherently wrong the the raid designs in Destiny

[Gh05t]

Those games you speak of are also much greater in scope than Destiny.

In destiny you have very few pieces of armor even less guns, only one special skill and the stats are not player choice but linear... So tell me how this relates to the other MMO's you are referring to.

The games people keep bringing up have a bunch of skills, non linear player development stats, a vastly large number of different items that may be considered good, and weapons as well. Making the end game much more unpredictable and harder to overcome because you have to test it so much more.

Face it, the only reason that this is a problem comes back down to lack of content. The difficulty if fine, they just found the best so fast because there isn't much variation on what to use and what works best so once you have it then its all skill from their.

I bet that many of the Raids in other MMO's could be done with half the people if you took some of the best players and handed then maxed out level characters with the best weapons and armor and skills for the raid. I bet many raids could be done with half the people with enough practice.

[g-nome]

I think Destiny is awesome , an will be playing it till Xmas. Don't really care if some people who play all day got the end game cracked , good for them.

[The Meerkat]

"In a few months time, there will be an exodus of Guardians."

That sounds a little optimistic.
MCC and AW will be here in 1 month.

Then Destiny really will be filled with Ghosts.

[mogwaii]

Got over this game...fast.

[CongoKyle]

Well that's disappointing :<

[Bluebird8]

Ehh, the raid is lvl 26, and it only requires to hold 3 positions at any given time. So it is only natural that 3 lvl 30s can do the jobb.

[OmegaShen]

The isn't level 26, the opening of it is. Then the levels go up, an the lower level you are to the Vex. The less damage you do.

[Jadenkorr021]

Raid is super easy. Beaten it multiple timea. The game is just broken. Hit 20 in under a day. Next day I hit 27. Then farmwd for shards and rep. 28 now xause the raid wont give me a single piece of raid gear. I think im done with the game. No story at all. The lore ia locked into pieces on the website which is beyond stupid. Just feels like the game got gutted. No longer interested. Very glad I didnt buy the season pass. Id be so pissed if I did.

[Cryptcuzz]

Cool story bro.

*cricket sounds*

[Bluebird8]

I've gotten way more hour out of this than bf4, if:ss or watchdogs and i'm still having a bladt playing nightfall, raids, weekly and crucible with friends. I don't think the game will get "better" for the people who don't enjoy it already. What i don't understand is all the people who feel a need to let everyone else know they don't like it. I don't go into articles about games that doesn't interest me and talk about how little i like it.

Sounds like a whole lot of bitterness to me.

[Grimhammer00]

Im loving it. But this is my first exp with raid style play...well i played D3 too.

But, i find the concept of bullet sponges as poor game design. Is there not better creative ways to create difficulty? !

New enemies
Unique environment
Specific damage type requirements
Timing

Some things above are used....but perhaps not implemented as well as good design would require.

[DevilishSix]

In all fairness, their team leader, The Hunter has some mad PVE skills regardless of the best gear. He only went down once at the beginning of the raid and went a whole hour against some of the toughest enemies without going down again. Plus he knew what he was doing and was often times watching areas before enemies even spawned. A very small group of gamers could show that skill over that amount of time being under constant pressure.

[cellfluid]

This game isn't challenging all they do is dumb your weapons down and give the enemies and increase.. Cheap trick no skillful ai no combat tactics etc no matter what your defense is 2 shots will kill u!! And sometimes it's one.. Lol

[BlackWolf12]

These guys were Raid experts, knew the whole thing inside and out. Also one of them had the Vex Mythoclast, the best and most powerful Primary in the entire game.

So yeah, these weren't ordinary 3 people.