Kotaku Said Destiny is Boring Five Months Ago, But Nobody Believed Them

"Is Destiny what you wanted it to be? Or just another Watch Dogs."

[Smurf1]

It is not "boring". It just has a poor campaign and is an unfinished game. The gameplay is really good.

Even the multiplayer has a horrible announcer. I love Crucible but that guy gets on my nerves.

It's little things like these that make Destiny an average game.

[MrSwankSinatra]

Being an "Unfinished Game" is a little thing? How far has the gaming community fallen to the point where a game being unfinished is consider little?

[Mr Pumblechook]

DO NOT BE FOOLED BY THE ULTERIOR MOTIVE OF THIS ARTICLE
Regardless of whether you think Destiny is or isn't boring ISN'T the issue.

Five months ago a 'journalist' from Kotaku playing Destiny for 45 minutes was not enough to pass judgement on the final quality of the game. Sure you can form a first impression but to pre-review a game like that shows a lack of professionalism and demonstrates that the reviewer hasn't done their job of evaluating a title fully.

BUT THE REAL STORY IS THIS IS A WHITE KNIGHT DEFENCE PIECE OF PATRICIA HERNANDEZ the woman who was accused in the scandal of praising games of her live in friend/ girlfriend on Kotaku. What legitimate website goes back and does this, finds an article from months ago to try and convince gamers and N4G readers that Hernandez is actually a credible respectable journalist?! If Stephen Totilo was any sort of professional he would have fired her. GotGame.com and Dragos Dobre should be ashamed of themselves, they cannot pull the wool over my eyes and I will not be reading their articles again.

[NarooN]

@Mr. Pumblechook

Stephen Totillo is a worthless trashbag. If you haven't already, go look up the clip where he was interviewing David Jaffe, and Jaffe just totally gets fed up with his BS and annihilates him (verbally, of course.)

[bouzebbal]

It's Bungie so it obviously can't go wrong.. Typical fanboys.

[badboyz09]

All shooters are boring. Destiny was just overhyped.

[NukaCola]

Regardless of Destiny's outcome... Kotaku has no creditability anyway. This is like when Pachter happens to "not be wrong" for once and articles pop up acting as if he's Nostradamus.

[KodevEx]

He probably plays mobile app games. ;)

[esemce]

It's okay you can buy the rest of the game later as DLC, Bungie and Activision just did'nt want to overwhelm us gamers with too much awesome content at once.

God bless DLC and god bless Bobby Koldic!

[_-EDMIX-_]

LOL! What wrong with game has more to do with design then with content.

Its just made very poorly.

Patrol is a damn joke.

The campaign is extremely bad.

Kill enemies, kill boss, narration, repeat. THAT is the campaign. It was so bad, I just stopped at The Moon.

If I'm going to just see this junk over and over again on strikes and Raids, I'm not going to waste my time on playing it (just because) its literally a waste of my time as it offers little value in terms of experiences.

[UltraNova]

Getting it right or wrong, Kotaku, doesn't mean we believe anything you publish to begin with.

[XBLSkull]

I knew that after the first gameplay footage. It was obvious the game wasn't nearly as good as bungies last 5 games. Only reason it was hyped like it was is because it was bungie on PlayStation and PlayStation is still desperately looking for something to have that is as good as Halo, so fanboys made it into a holy grail. Not the case.

[Cherchez La Ghost]

David Jaffe blasting Stephen Totillo!!

https://soundcloud.com/ben-...

[jmc8888]

Is Warframe finished? How about WoW?

The fact is these types of games start with one level of content and end on a vastly other level.

Was the starting level a bit light, of course, I've said so every time. It is lighter then we were promised.

But, people still keep thinking the game ends at 20, but it doesn't. They have a few hard things for you to do after. Did you get Exotic gear? If not, you aren't finished. Did you beat the Vault of Glass? Nope. You aren't finished.

Plus it has multiplayer.

Hell some people will be happy just buying it for multiplayer.

So many franchises where people mostly only play the multiplayer, and if they play the single player it's a short 4-12 hours.

We were sold that it was going to be massive, and it wasn't. SO I get the blowback, and I understand it deserves some, and I give it some. But people are taking it far past what it deserves.

People are so moronic they can't come down with a CORRECT judgement upon the game. They either have to say it's perfectly fine or completely sucks, because they can't be bothered with properly pegging it.

Since Destiny got this treatment, there are a WHOLE SLEW of games upcoming that will too. After all, if a multiplayer mode that you can spend hundreds of hours on, and a single player mode that can give you 10-15 story and another 30 of grinding post 20 level (for 1 character) to start with is light, then 90+ percent of every other game released better be brought down as well.

Destiny will be getting more content. How much more, I don't know. How much behind a DLC paywall? Probably most. But it's already got more than Battlefield and Call of Duty Series, not to mention Titanfall. It's got way more then any 10-15 hour single player only game, which most are.

So let's put some crap in perspective. Destiny isn't what we thought it was going to be. It doesn't have some big universe to travel in. You can't explore the entire world. It's got alot less content then you thought. I agree with all of this. You're disappointed, I am too.

But this doesn't change the fact, that it still has MORE content then most games out there, and has more coming. Nor does it mean you should spew lies about it. Being like this towards Destiny, is like copying every bad review of a game because they didn't take the time to review it correctly. I've seen so many complain about reviewers, yet the public at large is guilty of the same with Destiny.

I'll complain about the lack of content, but what I won't do, is overlook REALITY to make a point, which because they overlook REALITY is not a valid point. It's kind of hard to take people serious when they say there is NO content, just because it's alot lighter then you thought. Lighter then you thought, but more then most everyone else, does not mean no content. It simply means Bungie promised way more then it ended up being. So we have a right to be mad, but at least be mad correctly.

[Mega24]

jmc8888 is the voice of reason, people keep beating the dead horse so you enter their websites, the same people that insulted us, the gaming community, a month back. Are you so easy to forget.

Also, I challenge everyone here to proof that bungie "overhyped" the game, and post these so called promises that they broke. I will only accept source that come from bungie itself and not just any lying gaming journo.

[kwyjibo]

When a significant percentage of the player base choose to sit back farming mobs in a cave - you know that any alternative activity must be mediocre.

Anyone who preorders games has fallen into the overhype trap. Bungie could have delivered a shit on a plate, and it'd still have $500M in sales because you all bought into the marketing.

[DragonKnight]

Two of you got it wrong. David Jaffe blasted Ben Kuchera, not Stephen Totilo.

Anyway, nobody believes Kotaku now for the same reason they've never believed Kotaku. Kotaku is the treadmarks on the underwear of the gaming journalism sphere. Bought and paid for by the SJW narrative, there is no reason to put any stock in anything Kotaku has to say.

I wouldn't be surprised if Totilo forces every writer there to contribute to Anita Sarkeesian's Patreon just like that other site did.

[Chrischi1988]

Look guys, the thing is, Destiny is a great game, which got overhyped, so people persuaded themselves, like this game will change gaming forever. It is a good game, well made and all, but it is still just a normal game. This again just proves, there is no such thing as NEXT GEN GAMES, only in the heads of wild fanboys. Graphics look better then before on next gen, but the games itself are not different in any way. Ego Shooters are still ego shooters, no new way of input, what the hell were people really expecting? This is the biggest problem in gaming right now, that people try to make themselves believe, that something is soooooo special, that nothing before can come close to it, but this is just not true. Graphics look better, but gameplay... how does better graphics improve gameplay anymore? It is not like differences between a full 3D game and a NES game. 4K looks better than 720p, but the games in 4K wont offer anything new, that 720p couldnt handle. If you understand what point I am trying to make.

[blackout]

Wow great comment.

[BootyBandit]

Best game I've played in years when it comes to online PvP. And I loved exploring the areas as well. Anyone not playing this online is missing out. Excellent level design for multiplayer and incredible net code which is to be expected from Bungie.

[Benchm4rk]

@BootyBandit

"Anyone not playing this online is missing out"

The game can only be played online. If anyone was playing this game offline id be asking how :-p

[NarooN]

@DragonKnight

This is late, but David did blast Stephen, Ben was the guy who recorded the audio from that clip. Ben was the one who posted that clip to begin with, lol. That's Stephen's voice you hear, not Ben's.

[hkgamer]

poor campaign and an unfinished game sounds like a boring game to me.

gameplay can be great but if the world is boring then its boring. its what a lot of multiplayer games suffer from.

[Albie360]

Dear Xblskull

Halo and Bungie was always shit!
The only reason it was a success, is because there was nothing better on xbox.
Why do all of you think destiny got these low scores? If it was xbox exclusive it would have gottent 9 and 10's.

[buttclown]

Halo and Bungie was not always crap as you so claim. The first 2 games were nearly perfect and genre-defining at the time. The last few were disappointing, at least to me.

Destiny is it's own beast. It delivers great gameplay and awesome level design but leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to story design, character variation, and weapon variation. It's getting the scores it is because of those reasons, nothing to do with Xbox.

[spacedelete]

it is "boring". theres nothing good about the game. pvp is just a rehashed COD and story is plain stupid were the non playable characters don't want to tell you whats going on with the worst writing than even a COD game. only people defending are stupid Sony fanboys just because its a Bungie game on PlayStation. i'm a PS4 owner by the way but i know a turd when i see it and Destiny is a turd. if anything the 6/10 scores is too high for Destiny. funny thing is if it wasn't for the hate it got everyone would have forgotten about it a few days after it released.

[TimeSkipLuffy]

I don't think Destiny is worth all the hype but it is a solid shooter. As a PS fan I am just to spoiled with games that has a great story. That is why it is hard to get on one term with a game like Destiny.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Not sure what you mean because I was on the alpha and beta and got the game day 1.

I own it on PS4 and its a bad game. The idiots defending this game are on many platforms.

The game released on 4 you know. LOL! I once again...OWN IT ON PS4....its a bad game, i 100% agree, but don't just label and generalize all of gaming. Not everything is fanboy related buddy LOL!

[Larry L]

First of all, only a Xbox Xombie fanboy would say something like "only Sony fanboys defnd this game". It's such an ignorant statement, and shows that you have no comprehension of the absolute basics of life. Well, here's lesson #1: All people that aren't brainwashed by propaganda or indoctrination have a mind and consciousness of their own, which means they at least have the ability to form their own opinions on any subject, including video games believe it or not. Go on Bungie.net and see if it's only PSN gamers loving Destiny and saying positive things about the game. In fact I'd probably say that there are far more XBL players actively posting on there than PSN gamers. And they're all getting along BTW, not calling each other fanboys.........seems it's a more mature gamer that enjoys Destiny, but I digress.

I'd also like to know how someone liking a game you or someone else doesn't, makes them an idiot? The logic going through you two guys' heads is pretty rediculous. People don't enjoy different games? I don't even like shooters that much (only really like Unreal and Killzone), but I'm really loving Destiny. I'm an idiot for that?!

The funny thing is, I'm not even enjoy Destiny as a shooter. I mean it's shooting mechanics are tight, almost perfect really considering how casual it is with all the auto-aim assist, which I typically hate in shooters. Maybe I don't mind it in Destiny because like I said, it's almost not even a shooter to me. For me, the reason I love it so much is that I'm a HUGE Monster Hunter fan, and Destiny is really like the same thing as Monster Hunter as wierd as that sounds.

It's collecting quests and hunts (bounties and events) on a daily or weekly basis (just like Monster Hunter's online events), going through and grinding the same handfull of maps, with the same mobs, and taking out the same tough bosses at the end over and over, in the ever persistent search of rare loot and crafting meterials. Almost NEVER getting the one piece you need (until you eventually do), so you can finally get that next guild level (or level over 20 in Destiny's case) or armor piece you've been saving for. The same comparison could be made between Destiny and Diablo, or Demon's/Dark Souls, or Champions of Norrath or WoW.

Destiny imo, has far more in common with Monster Hunter or Diablo than it does with Halo. And that's why I can't put the game down. But I guess according to you two rational fellas, that makes me both a fanboy and an idiot. Thanks. You two better like every game I like too, otherwise I think you're both idiot fanboys right back.

[breakpad]

i ve said it from the first moment i saw it in E3

[Mustang300C2012]

Same here but here is what is funny, I am not a reviewer or a website and my opinion was the same that many have said in reviews from all the information we got before the beta launched. Yet the only reviewer I trust is me. I don't hold stock about games in others opinions to sway me one way or another. Been playing games too long to need to wait for a review. Stopped worry about reviews since Nintendo Power. Destiny just didn't get bought by me simply because it didn't show me anything about why I want to play this game. no interest in the story and the Beta gave me what gamers have confirmed to be a barren environment and no variety to what you do. So I saved myself money on my own personal interest. Some people bought into the hype some didn't and held expectations in check. That's how it goes. You don't claim a 10 year run and go out the gates with literally no story let alone telling someone access details of the story on a website or App outside the game. This coming from Someone that knew how to tell a story in-game and novels over the years.

[Blastoise]

The announcer in Destiny is cool

[kopite96]

he sounds like terrance stamp from superman 2...."kneel before zod superman"

[Aceman18]

It doesn't bore me when I'm playing lol.

[Magnes]

@smurf1 exactly. As for this story I didn't believe it was boring then and now I've played it I know they where wrong. I love how a vocal few are on a smear campaign for this game. Everyone I know from hard core to casual that has played this game loves it.

[Death]

The game is average at best. The core gameplay mechanics are fine, but nothing we didn't expect or haven't seen with the Halo games Bungie made. The story is interesting, but not told very well. Patrol is a joke by rehashing the same map and just changing objectives within it. There is quite a bit Bungie could have done to make the game better, but they didn't. There is no exporation and the map sizes seem tiny since they represent an entire planet. I'm still a little surprised that planet earth is nothing more than a few acres of land in Russia. I've only made it to the moon so far and am glad it's not made of swiss cheese like many believe. I was more than dissappointed when gravity on the moon was represented exactly the same as Russia. I would think that wearing the exact same armor and carrying the exact same equipment on the moon that doesn't have the exact same gravity would have slightly different physics. Maybe my jumps would be a little bit higher or head shots would leave heads floating around. Something. Exploring the moon and finding the original lunar lander would have been cool. Hotwiring it and cruising around cooler yet.

I think it is less dissappointment in what Destiny is and more dissappointed in what Destiny could be. It doesn't feel next gen in any way.

[Magnes]

@death your points are valid but they said ten year life span. I would say that new areas on earth will be added as well as on the other planets and more planets as well. If you compare World of warcraft vanilla maps ,professions, classes, to the WoW of today I'm sure you see where im going with this.

[buttclown]

10 year life span does not excuse a $60 plus price tag with the lack of content on day one. It will also make it worse if expansions are lackluster and cost money.

[Magnes]

If you can't get 60 dollars of enjoyment out of this game you must only enjoy about five games a year. Or you don't enjoy this hybrid FPS/MMO genre.

[frostypants]

Keep polishing that turd.

[Larry L]

Well, to be fair.......both The Mythbusters and Final Fantasy 14 proved that you can indeed polish a turd.

And I think Destiny needs less polishing than those two turds. I think everyone's basic opinion of Destiny (which imo starts with the fact that the whole story of the game is not in the game but locked away on Bungie.net in the form of the grimoires we unlock) would have started right off on a more positive note if every time we unlocked a Grimoire with the game's story, Dinkle-bot popped up and started telling us that story instead of directing us to their stupid website to read it on our own time.

I dedicate what time I can to actual gaming, I don't have extra hours upon hours for going on Bungie.net to read these things. Dinkle-bot should be reading the grimoires to me.

Other than that, I love the game.

[RedDevils]

Destiny is one of the new turd

[JsonHenry]

I thought it was rather drole myself. Not because it is a bad game but because there just isn't much to do in the game and loot is a joke. And the repetitive gameplay in the beta alone was enough to turn me off to the final product.

This game will be worth getting after a year or so of new content, balances, and tweaks to the gameplay most likely.

[Larry L]

I didn't give you one of those disagrees, but count me among people who disagree with your loot comment. I like the loot system. STuff drops at a good rate regardless of what you're playing, and rare items are actually rare, however there is still a constant stream of loot better or even but with different abilities than what you have currently. As you level up, so does the loot, and a couple times a day, I get something really special I want for my self or to vault up for another character.

Your comment goes to show that alot of people ruined this game for themselves expecting to max out their character in a week, and don't enjoy grinding for ultra-rare loot once you hit and exceed that soft-cap. Sorry guy, but in MMORPGs and Loot-grinding games like WoW or Monster Hunter, hitting that level cap is just the beginning of the grind.

I personally think Destiny does a good job of breaking up the grind by basically making a "loop" of stuff you can just do daily to maximize your yield if you want to. You start by picking up some PVE bounties for places you're going to hit. Do your daily stikes then do some patrol events/some grinding (there are MANY places to farm engrams, not just one cave. EVerything has a similar drop rate) to finish off any kill/experience bounties. Go check your engrams, if you get anything good, equip it before cashing in your bounties to level up the weapon/armor. Then grab some more PvE bounties or grab some PvP bounties and do like 5-10 Crucible games (or more if you enjoy it) to get those bounties.

Do loops like this (in any order you like, there are no rules to what you have to do) every day, or other day......whenever you and your friends are playing, and you will have a constant and steady stream of loot and the various currencies in the game. People make the game borring for themselves. They are choosing to just grind on Earth, but there are three other planets with mobs and public events to grind so it's not the same thing over and over.

[BallsEye]

You make sense. Exactly my thoughts. Why so many disagrees?

[Loadedklip]

... thus it's boring.

[ramiuk1]

im loving it although its annoying me last couple of days stuck at lvl 25.

[geddesmond]

Honestly though from past experiences I would never take anything kotaku said on board. If I did I would have missed out on some great gaming experiences I loved but they told people were crap. Destiny is a good game but it can get repetitive doing the same missions over and over in search for better gear and weapons.

But it's not boring. You get bored doing strikes and missions on harder difficulty then go play some crucible. You get bored of that the do some patrols and don't play any game for hours on end as they all get boring after playing them for too long.

[Eddie20101]

Like Kotaku is credible in any way.

[BlackWolf12]

Boring is a matter of perspective.

I wish people would stop talking like it is a matter of fact that Destiny is not enjoyable, I am loving the game.

There has been several million copies of the game sold, and a few thousand on the internet complaining, so what do people really think?

[ITPython]

For such a "boring" game it's amazing how I can sink hours upon hours into it without even noticing how fast the time is flying by.

And for how "boring" it is, I find it amazing that a HUGE chunk of my friends list is playing the game on a nearly constant basis.

The game is only "boring" for people who don't like this genera and/or are too lazy to grind for all the loot and upgrades, and would rather these things be handed to them easily and predictably like in the COD games.

It simply amazes me how much hate the game is getting because people are absolutely ignorant of how to play/enjoy it and don't understand the type of game it is. Destiny isn't COD or Halo, and people need deal with this fact. It is a MMORPG with a very large focus on grinding and putting a LOT of time and dedication into it to start seeing worthy upgrades and loot.

[SniperControl]

I kinda agree, I loved playing the beta, but i didnt get the game in the end due to my concerns regarding longevity and repetitiveness.
I might just pick this up on trade-in or wait for the PC version.

[ScottyHoss]

It's worth getting if you have friends playing it or are willing to find people, possibly a clan, within the community to play with.

[KingKelloggTheWH]

Destiny has problems, but it is not boring.

Besides, we shouldn't be acting like Kotaku is a viable source of well...Anything, they are not a good site, they troll things just for clicks and people fall for it. Please don't support them.

[morganfell]

Well said. Kotaku is a crap site. Even if you agree with them, (I do not), their being accidentally correct does not suddenly vindicate them for years of FUD as well as articles that were a disservice to the game community and developers.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[MRMagoo123]

They weren't right anyway not even accidentally right. There are loads of ppl on every night and that tells me it can't be that bad.

[morganfell]

As I stated, I do not agree with them. But there are differing opinions. In this instance, the issue really isn' the quality of Destiny but rather Kotaku's inability to be correct due to intention and insight.

[Scatpants]

The gunplay in destiny in the co op levels is some of the best and most fun I've played. I think Bungie is holding a lot back right now an is going to release periodic updates with new content. I think it's a little early to write Destiny off.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Lets just also ignore IGN, Giantbomb, Forbes, etc I'm sorry but one needs to read a bit more from other sites to understand this isn't just a damn "Kotaku" idea.

This is pretty much the wide opinion of the gaming community.

I own the game day 1 and 100% agree with what most are saying. Boring doesn't even begin to describe parts of Destiny.

Hate or love Kotaku is besides the point, its pretty irrelevant because you might as well say this about the whole damn industry then.

http://www.giantbomb.com/re...

http://www.forbes.com/sites...

http://www.destructoid.com/...

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

http://www.ign.com/articles...

So...with 7's and even 6's its very clear something is wrong with this game.

This is one of Bungies lowest Metacritic games too by the way.

[jts1891]

I could care less about the scores a bunch of 'critics' give a game when they gave crap like Dark Souls a 9 and the latest COD high 8's.

For example, the Giantbomb review is full of crap. They claim there are only '4 cutscenes in the entire game!' and that it's light on lore and world-building. Nevermind that there are far more than than 4 cut scenes, and that it gives more information than games like Gears of War and Halo did in their first games.

Also, he claims that aside from one or two missions, every level boils down to having ghost hack a computer while you fight off waves of enemies. This is just plain false. Out of 26 missions, only 11 have this mechanic, and even then it only makes up a fraction of the overall level.

Pretty much all the reviews contain glaring factual inaccuracies.

[EvilWay]

@jts

Dark Souls is a great game. One of my favorites from last generation

[jts1891]

If you enjoyed it, that's fine. But that game had massive, glaring flaws that everyone seems to overlook. There is virtually no plot for most of the game. For the first several hours of gameplay, you are told that you are 'Undead' and that you have to ring the 'Bells of Awakening', but it doesn't give you any real reason to care about what's going on. Which is a major issue considering that you have to grind continuously to get through the game at all.

Add in the mediocre soundtrack, the terrible character design, and the horrible graphics, and there is no way it deserved a 9. It's only positive was the gameplay, which had some of the best combat mechanics in any RPG that I've ever played.

[OhReginald]

@jts1891

You know if you keep talking like that people will just think you are crazy. Just a heads up.

[Death]

Gears and Halo had a much more immersive story even early on. They also have some excellent books that build on the story and make it more compelling. Destiny could have an excellent story to it too, but so far it's extremely generic and takes too many cues from Gears and Halo. A locked door that someone obviously didn't want opened...I was waiting for the flood to come out, but it turned out it was the Lambent instead. Real nail bitter there.

I would like to see Bungie talk to Eric Nyes or Karen Traviss. They did an amazing job filling out the Halo and Gears universe.

[amnalehu]

After playing the game for 20+ hours I still don't believe them. How many AAA games to you get 10-15 hours of fun out of? Destiny has provided at least that and then some and will only grow with time.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

True in some sense but people are completely ignoring what Destiny promised a year ago vast worlds with deep exploration. Or at least that's what it sounded like.

Kotaku maybe right this time but I'm not cickin on anything that links to them.

[JeffGUNZ]

I think a lot of people didn't understand that these planets and massive space exploration will be throughout the lifetime of the franchise. I think we have a lot to explore right now and with expansions and whatnot, the game will continue to develop. A lot of people had unrealistic expectations on the content of this game. It's a project that spans 10 years, not the first single release. Destiny, the first installment, gets the bones of the game going. Expansions and sequels will only make it grow into a masterpiece.

A lot of people don't like this game simply because they are FPS fans or have no interest in games with loot and grinding. You have to be that kind of gamer to really love this game.

[EvilWay]

@Jeffgunz

I see your point but why should you have to wait for the experience they intended?

I am not a big fan of buying DLC because it is never worth it, so I usually pass on games that are gonna be based on DLC.

[Fishy Fingers]

It's pretty much exactly what I expected. Other than the voice work. That's terrible, especially in PvP.

[jambola]

Good, nobody should believe a judgement on a game that's that far form being out.

[globeofgamers]

They released the article after playing in a closed doors press meeting.

[jambola]

irrelevant
my only point is people should decide for themselves and if they are going to listen to reviews, at least wait for a review that comes out after the game.

[GodGinrai]

"nobody should believe a judgement on a game that's that far form being out."

Fair do. But even from a demo of a game you can tell if it is good or not, mechanically. You can tell what works and what does not..hence the term "playable build". The sentiments of the original article were later reflected in the beta by a considerable portion of gamers and game websites...which was also reflected by some gamers in the finished product. They didnt address any of those problems early. They just continued to build the game and repeat destinys flaws across all its areas. For sure it will be a better game later down the road. But how sad is it that, THAT is our excuse for this game? I like the game, but I dont defend it, because I know what any excuse in its defence sounds like. All I can say in its defence is "they will be adding more DLC later" ..So how much is destiny going to cost to feel like a fuller game? At this point its bungies job to speak on it, not mine or any other gamers.I just hope its all covered in my season pass.

[PudgeyBurrito]

Who cares! Kotaku has been shitting on it's own feet for years. I personally like Destiny, Is it the best game ever? no, It's not A last of us or a Halo but it surely isn't the heap of shit watchdogs was and it has and shows a lot of potential. Gamers really need to pull their heads out of their asses and stop acting like whiny sheep children because they see scores that ain't above 8. We all know the ratings were lower then most thought.. I can think of a handful of games enjoyed that were not generally acknowledged. Why do you need others opinions to enjoy games?

[spacedelete]

whiny little sheep like you should also not get upset when a turd game gets the review it deserves. people need opinions because games aren't cheap and no one wants to waste money on rubbish like Destiny. sheep like you defend Destiny for its repetitiveness but then hate on COD for the same reasons. only sheep i see is you.

[WeAreLegion]

You took that in a very strange direction. He said opinions from others shouldn't shape your own. He is right. Why did you make it personal? He didn't say it deserved higher scores. He just said scores shouldn't matter. If you don't want to risk $60, rent it. Or play at a friend's house. Or watch gameplay. He likes Destiny, so let him like it.

[moegooner88]

Grow up you cry baby.

[moegooner88]

Pming people and calling names, what's next asking mummy to come and slap them. Grow up cry baby.

[RyujiDanma]

spacedelete = sheep
Reviews = your shepherd

[PudgeyBurrito]

@spacedelete Not sure why you made a COD/Destiny comparison, I actually like both those games. Do I think COD is the best shooter out there? No, But I enjoyed the hell out of them up until Ghosts then switched to Battlefield and now am in love with BF4. My switch involved my personal draw to the game regardless of how it was rated.. Hell I even played through the campaign on launch with 37 crashes in total counted.. Then started playing multiplayer which was a more stable experience. I clocked more hours on it then 90% of my other games, If I used the opinions of Kotaku who probably piss all over battlefield Involuntarily like they do their own mouths, I would of never had hundreds of hours of fun.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

That's either a wild talent or a serious medical condition if you're shitting on your own feet.

[PudgeyBurrito]

Kotaku pretty much has it down to a sport these dayz.

[gigoran]

Sorry, but I had to vote WTF and NO on the website. Kotaku has absolutely no credibility left. What they said then is what they have said about many games, as well as people. They bash the things and people their don't like and encourage their supporters to do the same. And when they do like something or something they encourage their follows to like them as well.

Kotaku is over. Their corruption has been exposed. Just let Kotaku die in peace. There are lots of actual professional websites out there to get factual and unbiased information.

[Artemidorus]

The beta was boring, slow repeating garbage that only offered leveling as an excuse to play. I give the game 3.5/10 to what I played.

Ill be suprised if it's around in ten years, maybe bargin basement players keeping the empty servers alive as lets be honest, much better games comming in 2015 and the future of course.

[MrCherry]

Thk you, MORE games comeing out. Look at it like this in six months after a few games come out ill have 3 or 4 new games to play, why put hrsSss into destiney and get crap drops green iteams all day, when hrs can go into others?

[kurruptor]

Thank him for rating the game purely on an extremely limited beta?

That is the stupid shit that is giving this game a bad rep.

[RyujiDanma]

ya but you will still be playing this until COD is released

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[Mikelarry]

And who fault is it that gamers don't take Kotaku seriously.

[Deadpool616]

Kotaku: Every Game Review
56m ago - "Hello! This is Kotaku! I've got me finger stuck up me bum..."

Yep. Seems accurate. :)

[MasterCornholio]

Hehehehehehe

Got your B@B reference.

[HanzoHattori]

Destiny is a scaled down version of Guild Wars with guns.
I like it. Who cares what sites like Kotaku think? What matters is, "What do you think?"

[MasterCornholio]

The problem I have is this,

"5 months ago".

My issue is that you dont know how good or bad a game will be until its out. Just because a game receives negative previews doesn't mean that it would be horrible to play. I remember reading previews of DemonSouls and some of them were quite negative even though the game was fantastic.

To sum it up I dont trust previews to judge a game before its even out. I prefer to use reviews instead as they give you a much better idea on what the final product is like.

I'm not trying to defend destiny but I'm speaking out against judging games before they are even released.

[zero_gamer]

You just compared the legendary Demon's Souls to some "good enough" game, aka Destiny...

[Eddie20101]

Demon's Soul's is hardly legendary, it's a good game, that gets a pass for the same stuff that people are giving Destiny crap for, rightfully so, because Demon Souls 2 is a good game.

Half the people claiming to not like Destiny have an agenda, PC fanatics are pissed because it's wasn't released for PC , Xbox fanboys are pissed because they favored PS4, PS4 fans are pissed because it's not a Halo killer, journalist are pissed because they didn't get review copies, and then you have people that follow a trend without thinking for themselves.

If people judged and played the game for what it is they probably would enjoy it. It's a different franchise from Halo, Bungie doesn't want to keep making the same game like many developers, I think they wanted to get away from that franchise, does it have similarities, yes but it still feels like it's own game.

Most people that like the game admit there are flaws in Destiny, all games have flaws, but this games deserves no less than an 8, and if you really enjoy it you might even score it higher.

[Spotie]

They were wrong then as they are now.

Far too many people enjoy what Destiny is, myself included. And far too many people have justifiable reasons for not listening to Kotaku on this and many other things.

[darren_poolies]

Will sites just shut the f up? A lot of people like the game (including me) and a lot for people don't, that's just it. End of.

You can't tell me that a game I'm having a massive amount of fun with is boring.

[PCBOX]

I am gonna trade my copy today with any random game today. I believe that a bad game is more fun than Destiny.:P

[smellslikeralph]

I did not enjoy the beta so I did not buy destiny. I decided to wait for reviews and I'm glad I did.

[pwnsause_returns]

Well how can you take kotaku seriously after the bs the spew all over the Internet? I mean they are at the middle of a controversy that is still being talked about in the last 2 months.....

[Realplaya]

OK so a game journalist says the game is boring and Bungie had 5 months to fix it. People don't buy into the hype and stop covering for people releasing a game then releasing levels that should have been added. They could have delayed the game to make it better but they knew they focused more on upping the hype instead.

I hate to say this but we as gamers need to stop Pre ordering games before reviews are given. Think about it the bonus you get for Pre ordering games should be an option for anyone that purchases games.
Also if we support these developers it doesn't send a message, the message should be we are not buying your incomplete game. So take that 500 plus million you bragged about getting and give me the consumer a real experience.

Well I wonder how long until the game is returned.

[its_JEFF]

Seriously, what is wrong with people on the Internet? People saying the game is "crap", "unfinished" what? They told you this game is supposed to be a long term game, they already have expansions set to come out, it's an MMO... you won't get the full "picture" already.

Most reviews state what they think is wrong with the game, but despite that they still can't stop playing it and have are having loads of fun... so what are we looking for in a game these days? I saw a review that gave this game a 6... 6? I've seen much worse games get higher scores. Sorry this wasn't the "mass effect" story driven FPS you were wishing it to be, but Bungie told you from the start... it's an online community FPS.

So much crying and conspiracy theories going around about this game: Why wasn't this part already in the game? why this? why that? Do you even know what it takes to create all this content? I choose to believe that this is part of their "plan" cause I believe that game creator genuinely want to create great games. If you believe other wise or you believe that when anything remotely close to something like this happens that they're just trying to nickle and dime you... maybe you should get a new hobby? cause this isn't the first time DLC/Expansions have come out soon after release.

[Death]

That's the thing though, it's not an MMO. It's a FPS like COD, Killzone and Halo. These so called "expansions" are DLC that really should have been included with the retail copy of the game.

I have no doubt Bungie intends to create great games, but so far for all the media coverage and advertising Destiny has been a let down. Don't get me wrong, Destiny is far from bad, it just doesn't feel next gen and the game isn't exactly refined. The core mechanics are top notch, everything else feels second rate.

[its_JEFF]

But it is an MMO. It's just an FPS with MMO elements, just cause it's FPS doesn't mean it's not an MMO. It's an MMO for people not interested in MMO's.

How do you know though that the "Expansion" could have been included? That's what I don't get, people saying "they could have" how do you know though? The first "expansion" is out in December, 3 months from now.

Bungie planned this out to keep momentum going for the game, a game that is suppose to last for years. How much games have "expansions/DLC" that come out 6 month or more after the game releases? BioShock anyone... People had forgotten about the DLC by the time it released. So far Bungie had been doing a good job with pacing the game's releases/events. Main game releases, events/raids/strikes/special missions spread through out the month(s), Expansion releases after that to take the game into next year.

And it doesn't matter if the "expansions" were to be included, I think it would have delayed the game til at least December, people would have played through it in less than a week.

Btw, thanks or the reply. Most people just either disagree/agree and not comment. I appreciate the discussion part.

[Predaking77]

Not my experience at all. Everyone on my friend list and I are playing Destiny daily. People don't do that with a boring game.

For me the failure is on the media and how they have fail to understand Destiny and how they have incorrectly misjudged it.

I'm glad I like to judge games by myseft, if I would have follow the media's opinion I would have miss the chance to play one of my favorite games of 2014.

[MrCherry]

Not if its the only some what good FPs,mmo ext..people playing the game caus thirs shit out to play give it four months, new gams.

[jts1891]

By that logic, Ghosts should've died a long time ago. Yet even with the release of Titanfall and Destiny, people are still playing it. People need to realize that simply because they don't like a game, it doesn't mean that others haven't enjoyed it.

[WitWolfy]

This game has been getting bad rep ever since release. glad I never bought it, even when I see my cousin play it I cant see it being nothing more than a big empty canvas thanks to Activision probably forcing Bungie to go the DLC route, choping the story into segments for future use.

[ShadowKingpin]

Wait. People still trust Kotaku...?

[MookaTek]

I am curious about this game. I have heard comparisons to Borderlands, which intrigues me. Many people say Borderlands is a boring game when playing alone, but I have only ever played both Borderlands games alone and had a great deal of fun with them. I never had any opportunities to play them with friends split-screen, and I refuse to play games online with random strangers or even with friends. I can't have fun playing a multi-player game when the people I'm playing with aren't in the same room with me.

But I digress. This is what I'm asking anyone who's actually played Destiny and is not just spewing hate for no reason: Is this game truly like Borderlands? Can it be played single player and can most of the content be enjoyed by a single player? I'd appreciate an answer to this question that has been plaguing me to no end. Thanks in advance.

[kurruptor]

You can play the story all alone. You can continue playing alone and gear up with legendaries alone if you want as well, but that is just by grinding mobs. You can repeat the story missions on harder difficulties.

But if you don't like playing with others at all, you'll be missing out on strikes, raids and pvp.

[MookaTek]

Thank you very much for the reply. I think I'll wait until I can get it cheap. But I'm glad to hear that you can go it alone through the story portion. If you could answer just one more question for me, do I still need a gold membership to play only single player since the game is always online? That could end up being a deal-breaker for me.

[kurruptor]

Yes, you need Live Gold or PS Plus to play it unfortunately.

[Shadonic]

Remember five months ago they played the Devils lair strike of destiny without even getting the chance to experience the big appeal of getting rare gear and what not. At that they had to play the same strike twice and that was it.

[lifesanrpg]

So Kotaku says something and we're all supposed to believe them? I enjoy the game, so I don't care if they think it's boring.

[quenomamen]

Anybody who played the beta could of told you this game was not worth all the hype, I could thats why cancelled my pre order.

[Eddie20101]

I guess that's why the pre-order's doubled after the Alpha and the beta test. Some people just pull Sh23 out of the air.

[Tedakin]

I remember this guy getting slammed for this article and thinking "None of the people attacking him have played it...."

Hrmm.

[danthegamerfiend]

Sounds like a lot of you guys cant get a group of friends and do the vault of glass. Thats the real deal, after attempting it last night with my friends, thats all i can think about is getting the team back together and doing it. It was a very fun complicated experience with the huge degree of difficulty. Even being level 27 i found myself overwhelmed. In my eyes a lot of work went into that. You could go on bungie.net forums on the destiny app and find people to do it with. Really easy to do and it saves your progress for up to a week. Good luck Raiding!

[iRobotGaming]

I said the same exact thing. Desting is boring as hell. Reminds me of Halo and performs like Warframe.

[eaceo]

I thought it was boring once I played the beta

[Odoylerules000]

...and I still don't believe them. I have a lot of fun playing Destiny.

[jts1891]

Agreed. It's one of the best games I've played this year.

[urwifeminder]

Interesting article i have not played a single second of the game and intend on trying it one day the game certainly looked a lot more creative
when announced .

[Baka-akaB]

Kotaku says a lot of stupid things , and apparently still does

[Sideras]

Who the fuck listens to kotaku, my feces have more credibility than kotaku.

[NeoGamer232]

There were a lot of signs that Destiny wasn't going to be the great game it has been marketed to be...

1) No single player campaign gameplay was shown before release
2) Reviewers were embargoed until after release. Very tight control of press on this game
3) Bungie said, you have to play the game a while before you should develop an opinion
3) There was plenty of marketing hype that was just was not really backed up with anything gamers could really sink their teeth into...

The funny thing is (just like Knack, Watch Dogs and Titanfall) tons of gamers were stupid enough to fall for Day one purchase (including me - although my purchase was solely based on the Destiny perfume thing MS pulled... LOL).

I don't think the game is bad, I have played it for a few hours and the gameplay mechanics are really awesome. But, in the end, this is a pure multi-player/co-op game and the single player is completely forgettable at best.

I will still look for Bungie's future endeavours but, as always continue to make sure there are no illusions of how good a game will be before I buy it...

[pornflakes]

My opinion:

Story 2/10
Gameplay 9/10
Replayfactor 10/10, this game makes addictive!

I cant stop to play and it will get better and better...

[S2Killinit]

except its not boring. its just that there are a lot of people out there who would benefit from this game not being the biggest thing in gaming. and then there are the sheep.

[shinrock]

Or doing the same thing over and over again is not their cup of tea.

[S2Killinit]

or maybe they are just missing the point of the game. you do the same thing over and over in so many of the funnest games in history. by that account, mario is a boring game. Fact is, the game does not deserve a 6.
It plays very similar to one other game I remember distinctly, that game receives well above 9. Personally, playing Destiny on hard difficulty has been some of the funnest time I've had playing games in a long time.

then again, you can have your opinion and that is fine. but the failure to recognize the quality of the game is not excusable. I may not like a particular game, but to keep bashing it because "its not my cup of tea" screams of alternate motives.

[Baka-akaB]

which make they fall into the aptly named "sheep" category . Even if Destiny was to be more open , have a better story , and better end game , grinding was going to be part of the equation , as seen with ANY mmo fps/rpg/tps/gold game or whatever mmo out there , be they f2p , b2p , or wholly free .

what the F*ck is someone doing in a game with 100% likelihood of grindfests if he doesnt have any patience for it ? And how do they get there into the game then ?

Answer : they are uninformed and/or sheeps jumping into the hype .

I have the same "axe to grind" (lol) with people complaining about lacking friends . Matchmaking and chat will and should be improved to some level of standards ... but again , if you are alone in a mostly mp game , you have to think about some purchases .

As an example i'm interested by Evolve , but most of my friendlist wont be in the game ... So i'll think twice about getting it . I might still go with it , dive in and find strangers to play it with , or i could skip it , or wait for friend to decide to have a collective go at it .

[romancer]

The other night I played a mission on Venus -- intense battles and some of the best music I've ever heard in a video game.

I won't soon forget how enthralling it was.

However just because a game does not interest some players doesn't necessarily mean it's a "bad" or "medocre" game; it just isn't a game for them. I gave up on "Watch Dogs" after 48 hours -- others loved it. Destiny still intrigues me (closing in on level 18) and I'll probably invest in the expansion packs, just as I did with Battlefield 4 (my most-played multiplayer game.)

What's the point of becoming embroiled in pseudo-controversies when there are so many interesting games to play? And more coming up soon.

[CuddlyREDRUM]

After playing it for thirty hours, I still don't believe them.

[Rivitur]

But wait for the dlc the fanboys say lol.

If that's the case then can they just make the dlc stand alone?

[scark92]

This is not help the case of #Gamergate, in fact makes it worse and suspicious...

[MillennialBuddha]

Hardcore Gamer criticized the story, menu-based navigation system, structure, and MMO elements all summer long but no one listened to them.

http://www.hardcoregamer.co...

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[JMyers]

Because it's Kotaku

[LightDiego]

Someone trying to defend Kotaku, that's disgusting.

[mochachino]

It has many flaws but it's not boring...with friends. I've had way more fun playing Destiny than I've had with other games that were critically praised...Bioshock Infinite comes to mind, Gears of War 3, Saints Row 3, Velocity 2x, the last 3 or 4 COD games to name a few.

If Destiny just had a quality epic 6hr-8hr story, it would have gotten 8s and 9s. I understand the bad reviews though. It's first impression, being the story, is so bad and the ending so pathetic that your gut reaction is that Bungie didn't even try. In fact, it's so utterly terrible that it feels like Bungie trolled you for having you think there would be a story. Something so devoid of any actual story means that zero effort was put towards it or the makers were completely inept. Calling it a story is a misnomer. Bungie should have just said there is no story and we're making a very simple MMO/Co-Op Diablo type game. Bungie PR managed to create massive hype and expectations for the game but failed to inform people what they should be expecting.

But if you keep playing with friends you'll realize that Bungie did a lot of things right and there's a certain subtle genius to many parts of the game. Somehow, it's just more addicting than a lot of other games and with friends you'll literally lol several times. Games a solid 8/10 with high replayability so long as your friends are playing too.

[Condemnedman]

They were right I played it and it bored me what is it with fan boys that have to protect everything?

[leemo19]

I don't read the junk that Kotaku puts out. I think if the story was better, it wouldn't be hated as much as its getting. The game itself isn't boring for me, I mix things up I don't do the same thing over and over unless I'm farming. Each week there's going to be something new and it will be free, so that will be more things to do. Tomorrow the reef opens up to do new missions for the queen.

[JWiLL552]

Man...I don't understand how anyone could find the core gameplay "boring". It's some of the most satisfying FPS combat I've experienced.

The campaign/story is certainly lacking, but the gameplay has kept me entertained enough to want to start up another class after I leveled my first to 22.

[IQUITN4G]

As much as I love just about anything Bungie does -outside the fact that their games are always flawed a little in places- ,their biggest problem is how marvellous they make things sound. They do a fine job there but the actual product isn't the one they describe. The last time Bungie pulled me in this way was when describing the campaign of Reach. Both the bungie updates and videodoc had me thinking it was something much different to what we finally got. Reach still had an excellent campaign I thought but it fell below the Halo1 spiritual successor moniker that Bungie seemed to suggest

One thing Bungie does do very well however is their combat which is unsurprisingly excellent also in Destiny

[hankmoody]

Watch Dogs shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as Destiny. If any game was a failure, WD was it. The game is incredibly boring and plays like a less interesting GTA/ Assassins Creed mash up. Destiny is loads of fun and is only getting better with every passing week.

[Maxor]

Excuse me, did you have spend hours grinding trash mobs for gear in Watch Dog? Is there a "loot cave" in Watch Dogs where max level players would line up for hours shooting lvl 5 monsters? Is the PVP system in Watch Dog so broken that players with purple weapons can one shot defenseless noobs with white gear?

Watch Dogs is AAA compared to this epic failure of a game.

[Gohadouken]

BS . You can kill "purple" players to begin with ... people need to stop avoiding issues with their own skills and pretend it's all related to balance .

Do people even care about WD's multi ? Last i checked nope .

Isnt watchdogs's sp story considered mediocre as well ? Yes , and that's without proposing any cool co-op experience or a good competitive mp worth mentioning .

It's a Sp focused open world game that has been easily forgotten with no real prospect whatsoever in mp . Even those that liked it are mostly waiting for much better in a sequel .

Destiny still got tons of people enjoying it .

[hankmoody]

The games are balanced in PvP. You're misinformed.

[zodiac909]

These articles are getting soo fucking irritating now. Why are they trying to convince the masses SOOO much that the game is apparently "shit?"
The game is addictive, nothing people say is going to change that. These articles are pointless.

[Maxor]

It's only addictive if you enjoying repetitive grinding through the world's worst loot system. We're talking about a game where you can grind for a week to get an exotic, and when you decrpyt it, it's for the a different class and you can't use it. LMAO!!

500 million invested in a contentless and broken loot grind. This game will go down as the most epic fail of this generation. It's impossible to fail this hard ever again.

[zodiac909]

There is an online pvp mode incase you never played this game and are just talking shit based on all these articles you see on this site....I assume your going to tell me next that all online games are repetitive??

[Flames76]

I dont know how it is on the ps4 but o nthe XOne its amazing.Great coop and just a blast to play with your friends.Looks amazing and plays even better.$60 spent and already have around 70 hours in the game.Go spend $60 and see how much entertainment you get out of it.Yes the game could had been more if they would had stayed with microsoft studious.Its still hard to believe bungie went with the worst publisher in the gaming industry.Thats why the mp is crap on it due to activision fans and their modded controllers.Thats the only problem i have with destiny and of course the fact bungie sold out

[clouds5]

Shooters are either single player immersive story experiences or full blown competitive multiplayer for me. Something like bioshock/half life or quake/counterstrike/cod that kinda thing. Mmo like games just don't work with shooter mechanics for me. Because there is too little tactics involved, you just hold the trigger and run for cover when low on health... For me personally that isn't interesting enough. So destiny really doesn't interest me neither gameplay nor story wise.. And for the hunter/collector in me I've got diablo3 :)

[PFFT]

And i still dont. The only thing that pisses me off is that Xur fella.......he needs to show up more often. Thanks to him being a no show i cant get my hands on Bad Juju.

[Kevdater]

I didn't buy destiny it's a pretty "movie" and I played the beta it could have been a great game. Sad that 6 years got wasted on this crap

[Kevdater]

The guys at kotaku are wrong sometimes but, when it comes to telling you what is bad or not their on the mark

[TekKing]

And I still don't believe them.

[bsmith61]

Why should anyone trust Kotaku?

[ScaryMonkey]

Guess what......I still dont. F Kotaku.

[Eddoes]

After playing the Beta and telling people the game was repetitive trash on youtube i got death threats and cussed out. All you mouth breathing retards that bought this bullshit AFTER trying out the Beta and knowing it was trash you deserve what you get.

[ScaryMonkey]

You seem really angry for some reason.

[TBONEJF]

TOO MANY FAN BOYS these days. that's why i hate BIAS reviews. u either don't like it or don't buy it. plain and simple

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

5 months ago kotaku was stupid. Now they're stupid, and lack integrity.

[shaw98]

I know a lot of people say they said it would turn out to be an over hyped game. But I knew this game was over hyped from the start.

[Clown_Syndr0me]

I believed them.

The word "boring" is down to personal preference and perception.
For me, Destiny is extremely boring.

[oDezX]

After playing Destiny a lot, reaching level 27 on my Hunter, doing the same shit every day over and over, I've come to realise this game is just awful. Sure it's kept me involved until level 27, but that's only because my hope that it would get better. To begin with you have a fair few things you can do, story, then unlock PVP, bounties, dropping loot, finding chests and so on, after so many levels you realise this is ALL you can do. Sure they implement strikes and raids, a raid of course so hard you have to find a team of 6 people that are competent enough to help get to the end of this incredibly hard raid, all the while without any form of social element to the game to recruit these people, other than spamming last met players. In strikes and PVP it rewards just anyone, not those that do well and put in the effort, it can reward almost the shittest fuck wits with the best item, which to me just seems to be some form of trying to keep people on the game so they can make as much money as possible. That's all game are about these days, making as much money as they can, I've said it for years with COD, they churn out the same shit each year with a different veil on it and people go ballistic for it, then there's DLC. Content they could have no doubt put into the game to begin with, but of course hold back and make you pay so they can make MORE money. One last thing, I thought when these Queen bounties came out that "ooh they might be adding content slowly into the game as the weeks progress" quickly came to realise it's just another bounty, that you unlock another mission for competing, upon doing the mission you are awarded with Legendary equipment. Equipment Worse than what I already have got through hours of frustration with the Cryptarch and the fact the bigger bosses don't drop any form of unique item. I still just hope that this game will get better as it's an MMO that is only two weeks old, comparing it to ESO in a way as that was awful when it came out too, not been back on that since however, guess I'll continue to play this until Borderlands Pre-Sequel comes out, a game that does what it does so well, and is actually worth buying DLC for.