PS3 Vs Xbox 360 - A Game Developer's View

"Being a video game developer (I develop for both, Playstation 3 and XBOX 360) people ask me almost daily which platform I think is better. These are my personal feelings, in no way does this reflect my employer.

Short answer: XBOX 360.

Long answer: Price, performance, visual quality, game selection and online support. I think the XBOX 360 wins in every category.

Price: This is obvious; the XBOX 360 core is only $299. The PS3 is around $499 for the 20GB version. It comes with a hard drive, but you don't need a hard drive to enjoy a lot of great games on the 360 so I think it's fair to compare both core systems.

Performance: On paper, the PS3 is more powerful. In reality, it's quite inferior to the 360. Without getting into too many details, the three general-purpose CPU's the xbox360 has are currently FAR easier to take advantage of than the SPU's on the PS3. I suspect a few years down the road some high budget, first party PS3 exclusive titles will come out that really take advantage of the SPU's and do things the XBOX 360 can't, but I don't think the console is worth buying based on this speculation (for some it will be though, we'll have to wait and see how these games turn out).

Graphics: The XBOX 360 is a clear winner. The GPU is more powerful. It has more powerful fillrate, and far more pixel and vertex processing horsepower. Part of the reason is their choice of memory, and architecture of pixel and vertex procesing. I can't get into details but the same vertex shader will run much slower on the PS3 than the XBOX 360. The 360 also has a clever new way rendering high definition anti aliased back buffers. To accomplish the same effect on PS3 is prohibitively expensive. For this reason I think many games will have no choice but to run in non-HD resolutions on the PS3 version, use a lower quality anti aliasing technique, or do back buffer upscaling. The end result in all cases is going to be noticeably worse image quality..."

[Tut]

I could care less about the so-called "war" but if this guy doesn't want to "step on any toes" he shouldn't have opened his mouth or remained anonymous. Now he will be known for stepping on toes and being a coward (omg internet geekz are going 2 kill me if I state my opinion)!

Grow some balls if you expect anyone to consider your opinion, but until then this is from an unknown source that no one will take seriously except for the fanatics (fanboys).

Flame wars begin! ~

[uxo22]

Man, why are you so put out by this guy's opinion. Although I might add, it IS a PROFESSIONAL opinion. At any rate, stop being a tool and get off of your soap box. Whether he gives his name or not he has a right to his opinion.

[Donkey Slayer]

Squaresoft

Toriyama and Versus producer Shinji Hashimoto defended the decision to release FFXIII on the PS3. According to Hashimoto, the development staff determined that one DVD would not be enough for the type of visual expression they were attempting to make. Toriyama noted that, regarding visual expression, the PS3's shader abilities are a big factor.

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/artic...

Ubisoft

OPM: How's your experience with the storage media of the PS3, the HDD and the BluRay disc? And do you have any comparable experience with HD-DVD technology?

M.M.: Our focus is 100% BluRay, so I cannot compare with HD-DVD. I can only say that the new BluRay disc format is truly awesome. The capacity is immense, and the Data Transfer Rate is way beyond what we are used to. And that's really important, because Data Streaming (OPMED: where the console constantly loads new data from disc) is truly the only way to push next-gen games to the limit. The Playstation 3 HDD is something that we have so far given less attention to, because it hasn't been certain all that long yet that it will be standard on every console. Decreasing load-times by copying a part of the game to the HDD is one possibility, though it doesn't matter all that much for a streaming game like ours. But there are tons of other applications, such as the possibility to as it were record your whole game, to be able to watch a replay of it later on. We intend to use the HD optimally, but how, I can't tell yet currently.

Starbreeze

"The 360 is a fantastic machine. I really really like it. The only thing, you know, that is going to cause trouble is the amount of storage space available on a DVD... thats really a problem."

The Darkness on the PS3 has more content than on the Xbox360.

http://forum.teamxbox.com/s...

Team Ninja

"The infamous Team Ninja front man has a thing or two to say about Microsoft's decision to assign standard DVD format to the Xbox 360. Limiting his development team to a measly 9GB does not sit well with Itagaki, especially when Team Ninja is looking to include any number of (MS-coveted) HD cut scenes. It's ironic that Microsoft has been the most outspoken about the "HD era", but is the least prepared for it… However, don't be surprised to see an Xbox 360.1 springing up in a year or two, complete with HD-DVD drive."

Last year, interview with Famitisu magainze, Itagaki explained his frustration with MS going with standard DVD format instead of going with HD-DVD. Since Japaneese developers love working on games in CG, now Itagaki san will face even more great challenge with xbox 360, or he can just switch over.

Go to IGN, they removed content on DOA4. They said they have to keep an eye on memory for future games as well thx to the limitaionso of DVD.

http://www.joystiq.com/2005...

Enchant Arms

"The developer of "Enchant Arms," an upcoming role-playing game in Japan, told Gamespot.com last year it was hoping to be able to fit the game on two discs, but admitted "that's even looking grim." Any old school gamer can tell you that switching discs while playing is not a fun experience."

http://money.cnn.com/2006/0...

Vivendi Universal

"The technical requirement for game development today demands more advanced optical-disc technologies," said Michael Heilmann, chief technology officer for Vivendi Universal.
"Blu-ray offers the capacity[.]"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/...

EA

"EA, a leading games developer and publisher, added that the delivery of high-definition games of the future was vital and Blu-ray had the capacity, functionality and interactivity needed for the kinds of projects it was planning."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/...

F1 06 developpers

Quote:
Q: Will the graphics improve from F1 05?

A: We try hard every year to improve where neccessary, but as I said before, the PS2 is running on it’s limits with the 22 cars. Graphically it is similar to F105, although we believe that the driving experience is much more rewarding with the new kerbing and the new phyiscs. The PS3, though, is something else! That machine is a Beast! We are adding an enormous amount of graphic detail to absolutely everything. To give you some idea about detail levels, one car in the PS3 game takes up the same amount of memory as all 22 cars in the PS2 version!! That’s a 22 fold increase! You can damage the sidepods on the PS3 cars and see in side the car and it has radiators and exhaust pipes and everything. It’s awesome. Gameplay-wise the PS3 also allows us to use much more accuarate collision models. In a PS2, the car has an invisible ”box” that detects collisions all the way around the car, but in the PS3, there is no single box – you can get the wheels interlocked with the other cars.

http://www.f1gamers.com/f1/...

Ninja Theory

Well i want to ask something if i may.Do you guys use/plan to use the extra space the blu-ray provides,for the benefit of the game,or its just to early for that yet?

Quote:Originally Posted by Arfi-Gorgona-O
Guys,someone to answer my question too?At least tell me if you cant so i wont ask again,even a no comment is good enough for me

Quote:Originally Posted by Ninja Mikey
[NT-DEV] Chief Technology Ninja

Sorry Arfi - let's see if we can't get you a decent answer....

"Yes!"

There you go

Seriously though the game is gonna need a whole lot of data for all the levels and characters that we are planning. At Sony's presentation on Monday last week they had a slide showing that the storage medium for a console is usually 100 times the size of the consoles main RAM - the point being that a DVD wouldn't be able to hold enough data for a AAA quality game. So yes, we'll definitely be needing the space that's available on the BD!

http://www.ninjatheory.com/...

Epic

http://www.computerandvideo...

Unreal Tournament was 6GB compressed. Next Generation games are going to be 20GB plus, and how we're going to fit them on DVD9's I don't know, they'll probably be a few of them. On the PS3, we're going to be using the majority of the space on those Blu-ray disks. So, online isn't really the best option in some instances. Downloading 30Gb isn't really feasible.

[Retard]

Wow, someones been following up on there homework!

Down to the bottom line... I don't care whoever said it, it seems slightly baised, I own ALL OF THE SYSTEMS; and I seriously doubt PS3 is inferior by any means compared to Xbox 360.

[Grown Folks Talk]

is out now. as far as i know, it's on 1 disc. when the ps3 starts coming out with 40 hour games, let me know. oblivion is the longest game i've seen in a while. blu-ray would only add cgi cut scenes.

[Sidherich]

werent square enix the ones saying that FFXII will be 2 DVD's (2x 9GB?) once it is out? Can't remember as it was some time ago. Looking up the amount i would have to download i see about 2.5GB packed so i think a single 4.3GB DVD-R would suffice.

As for Team Ninja ... looking up the amount i need to download DOA4 i would fill a single 4.3 DVD-R as well.

Oblivion is another example. I clearly remember the developers claim that the game takes a whole DVD with the voices taking half of it. Again the game was delivered on a standard DVD5

I do notice a trend with companies claiming their game will have a certain size on the disk once it is released which normally isnt true anymore once the game is released.

[Tut]

Yeah, they do have a right to their own opinion and I wasn't knocking that. Did you even read my post? I was talking about his "anonymity" and people not taking his opinion seriously because of it.

My entire point was this article is complete bullsh!t and could never be considered news... except by this site who has retarded mods.

Congratulations on resorting to personal attacks, you must have just grown a pair yourself. Share them with the so-called "developer" in this article.

How the hell did this thing get so derailed?

Oh.... fanboys...

[drewdrakes]

This does back up everything said thus far, but who is it and which company does he work for? I really cant take this seriously if he isn't man enough to say his name. If he believes in his opinion, why hide?

[uxo22]

he doesn't want haters, hating on him when he is logs on as a casual user. You know how it is, once the haters start hating, there's no stopping them.

[NextGen24Gamer]

This is all stuff we knew about months ago...I have shown links to many developers/programmers who say the exact same thing he is saying. But even if you don't care about that. Play the games and see for yourselves. Not one ps3 game competes with MANY of the 360 games already out. The highest rated ps3 game is Resistance at 89%. The 360 has many games in the 90's and even more in the 80's just like Resistance. Prey from this last summer recieved 90's. You don't have to believe me, or the many developers....The games speak for themselves. And I have the ps3 and the 360. Right now the ps3 doesn't even come close folks. But, like he said, there might be something great to come. Who knows. Sony fans hope...I just wait and see.

P.S. the 360 has 23 editors choice awarded games out RIGHT NOW !!!!!! Games rated higher than the ps3's highest rated game in Resistance. My point is...for 200 dollars less you get better games, more games, and a better next gen system. PERIOD. With more incredible games to come in 2007. WOW...
Thanks Microsoft...

[D3acon]

I wonder why exactly everyone compares the 60gb ps3 as the one to get? There is a 20gb version that is comparable to the 360 premium. You get more of the same and for an extra $100 you get a blu-ray player, if you want to look at it that way.

The premium ps3 is what it says preimium. The Ps3 core is absolutely functional, I believe a lot more functional than the 360 core but thats just my opinion of courese. The premium Ps3 has a few more bells and whistles for another $100, surely everyone sees that even the Sony haters.

When you think about it if you have access to the 20gb model you can upgrade the hard drive with just about any 2.5 hard drive.

[D3acon]

The same gripe I hear is that the xbox 360 is easier to program for. This is beside the point, if you have a more powerful machine that will allow you to do more and keep you from limiting your ideas then you should develop for it. Even if you have to learn a new system of doing things, you should take the time to learn it to create better games for the consumer.

I'm tired of hearing "the 360 is better because its easy to develop for." Every time I read or hear that it affirms that the ps3 is the better machine. Lazy programmers working just for the money and not for the customer and consumers of their products say that.

I would believe a real game developer would be estatic to devlop for the ps3 and say "Finally more room to work with." Instead I'm hearing, you mean we have to do more work to become familiar with new technology?

I heard that Sony was releasing middleware and tools to ease developer transition. Maybe they need to do a better job I don't know, I do know that is what's needed.

In closing, I don't even believe that it was a developer's opinion because he doesn't sound like he has a college education. And of courese like everyone has said if you want your opinion to matter don't bash another company's console annonamysly(sp)it shows poor character and lack of conviction.

To Donkey Slayer, you've done a great job keeping up with refrences and developer opinions on the Ps3.

[SweetChaos]

i could easily up a counter-article that says the opposite of this.
like this
http://www.gamepro.com/game...

god. give it up and let the systems talk... and what the hell do you mean the xbox 360 has plenty of games in the 90s(so the f*** what? ps3 just launched! you sound stupid.

[NextGen24Gamer]

And it was prior to the ps3 launch. Before he even got to play it hands on. ha ha ha ha ha....Not a programmer, not a developer...and not even a hands on preview or review or comparisson. Sony fans are showing how angry and desperate they are every day. Just stop...this is sad and pathetic folks. You put up an old article from a sony exclusive editor for gamepro...Since then he has put sony ps3 in check with patheticly low reviews of first party games. ha ha ha ha ha... We were all tricked into thinking the ps3 would be something out of this world. But its out. And I have it. And the games are getting bad reviews. 2's, 3's, 5's, and 6's. direct your anger towards SONY. They did this. WOW. Thanks Microsoft... The best 400 dollars I have ever spent easily.

[Weapon X]

top gamr despises anything made by SNE all the way back to the Walkman. It's a foregone conclusion. He's a natural MS love fountain. A/W as far as the article goes it's a joke. Anyone with half a brain knows that the PlayStation is a very competent system with a huge upside, just like the 360. Once the PS3 get its "sea legs" and begins to churn a wake, we'll see the real head to head washout. I wish we could just fast forward and get beyond all of this kindergarten, bantering hor$e$hit.
Until then, this all pathetic heresey and fanboy jet fuel.

BTW top gamer LOVES to vote for himself EVERY stinkin' time he posts.

PS - Thanks Microsoft.

[Raist]

Yeah topgamer.

And of course the guys behind Lair, Heavenly Sword, for instance, didn't say it couldn't be done on the 360 ?

Oh and kojima, who said that MGS4 couldn't be done exactly the same way on the 360 too, mainly because of the octocam thing.

Did you forget all those things ?

Just like you forgot one of your most excellent statements "mark my words ! there will be no 1080p games !!1!1oneone"

Funnay~

[ploody]

i havent been impressed with the ps3 so far, but look how far the 360 has come since last year, the ps3 could still do the same, it just might take 2 years or so instead

[EnforcerOfTheTruth]

A developer that wishes to remain anonymous haha now that's funny. Everybody can be an anonymous developer and the things he said made clear that he ain't a developer but a simple fanboy. Truth is 360 doesn't have more pixel and vertex processing horsepower, it has more vertex but less pixel processing horsepower. Anyone that red a little about the 360 GPU and the unified architecture knows it ;-)

[Grown Folks Talk]

since no one knows the specs of the rsx?

[EnforcerOfTheTruth]

RSX is based on G70 and GF7800 has more pixel processing horsepower than the 360 GPU.

[FirstknighT]

and yet...another mad ps3 fanboy! Waaaaaaaaaaa...Waaaaaaaaaaaa!! !

[marcusfenix]

The 360 GPU is more powerful then NVidia 7950 series and ATi Radeon x1900xtx

[TheXgamerLive]

A covette is basically based on the model T, but it's no where close to it now is it.

[Mikey_Gee]

I thought for sure now that BOTH the PS3 and 360 were out the Fanboys would STFU for a while.

Guess not !!!

[Tut]

No joke, disappointment set in already.

They are never happy with what they have.

[gEaRs_Of_HaLo]

i told you without a any contest te 360 is BETTER...i mean you know its true if a man who help build BOTH consoles come out here to say THE 360 IS BETTER!!!!

[gEaRs_Of_HaLo]

i told you without a any contest te 360 is BETTER...i mean you know its true if a man who help build BOTH consoles come out here to say THE 360 IS BETTER!!!!

[DeathNote1]

A few years down the road for a 10 year console?

How about a year?

FinalFantasy 13's White Engine releases within the next year and will be more impressive than anything on the 360.

Case and point of a a lazy Dev that probably only works on game ports.

[Jamaicangmr]

@ Gears if Halo.

Your not seriously adding this article to your arsenal are you? It's from an enigmatic source for all you know it could be from me. Please don't tell me that your thought process doesn't go beyond your name. lol!

[THAMMER1]

But this is not anything I did not know like last year.

[Jamaicangmr]

What exactly is out for us all to read THAMMER1? I can't believe its this easy for you to get worked up. Are you this desperate to find something to grasp that you hold on to nothing?

[Anerythristic26]

are taking this kind of hard , this isn't anything new though. So many developers have really already said this same exact thing. This gen will still be neck and neck though with the PS3 geting by on Brand Recognition. People are sheep. People that have the 'Box are really thinking outside the box.

[Scrumptious]

to soak up all the tears from the crying $ony fanboys. The truth hurts. You payed over $600 for a pumped up PS2 slapped together with a poo-ray. I think it's funny that since the 17th the PS3 fanboys have been running around defending their system ,because only those fanboys won't admit the PS3 did't live up to the hype. Ken Kutaragi could crap in a box, call it the P$4,and you guys would pay $1000 for it.

[tackleb0x]

The fact is the article is based off truth. There are some blatant opinions in there, none are trying to be disguised as truth. Of course you can choose not to believe it, because it sucks if you're wanting a ps3 instead of a 360. You wasted the last year waiting for a system when you could have been playing the better one all along.

[Jamaicangmr]

I refuse to believe that none of you Microsoft only supporters are capbale of thinking above the fanboy level. I was hoping one of you could be the massiah and tell the rest how stupid it is to be backin such a groundless article. It's clearly flambait and you Microsoft only supporters are biting hard. Please elevate and find...

[LuminousAphid]

stfu. kthxbye.

[slugg]

I can hop just fine.

[Aflac]

I may be a M$ Fan (actually not really a fanboy since I actually will play other consoles with my friends, unless that still qualifies as being a fanboy), but come on guys, this is an unknown source, it could be 1 of those retards from the inquirer for all we know.

[power of Green]

I cant believe All these Sony fanboy's thought the piss poor launch of PS3 games and what this artical and many dev's have said isnt enough to shup these idiots up. These are the types Fan freaks that probably talked the same sh8t with the PS2 vs Xbox flamage.

[power of Green]

I told you fan fucer's that the PS3 was a rush job in response to MS's new console.

The thing was slapped together with now thought out plans; just slapped together last minute response with stolen combi style inovation from the other conpanies.

STFU and Deal with it, PS3 games will always get better but that doesn't mean the 360's games are going to stand still for Sony.

[Grown Folks Talk]

of what this site "used" to be like. http://www.news4gamers.com/... ahh...the good ol' days.

[gnothe1]

you people get so bent out of shape when you read something like this!! dont act like ya'll dont know about the privacy contracts developers sign when working on certain games or consoles!!remember what happen to that other sony employee that said the Ps3 wasnt as powerful as the xbox360!!sony busted his a$$ an he got fired, so why would this guy risk it, besides he just stated HIS OPPINION about the 2 systems!! he did say if a big budget developer comes along there could be a PS3 game that the x360 cant do!I feel this article is true!! flame me all you want but think about this,sony has be claming 1080p the whole while as an advantage , but what did developers say happen at 1080p, you get a sharper resolution but less detail, since Sony knew that their system couldnt push as many polys an pixels as the x360 they decided to run the 1080p selling point.trying to cover up one with the other!!an that aint working out the way they thought!!

come on Ps3fan, DJ an that truth guy I'm waiting to hear from you!!

[power of Green]

Them rabbid fanboy's crucified my ass when i said months ago 1080p was an tool to confuse the masses of thinking clearer means better graphics. PS3 is PS2 of last generation but with out 3rd party rule. shBing! PLAYSTATION!!

[NJ1307RSX]

This article is completely biased and anyone who believes it should get hit by a bus!

For all we know this article could come from Microsoft themselves!

Back to Playing RFOM on my PS3!!! :)

[Scrumptious]

If the article stated the P$3 was superior, you wouldn't be saying that. Now go play your P$3 like a good $ony fanboy. Play your one good game.

[shoota33]

Yes we have our 1 good game at launch while you had to wait a year for your one good game lol.

[power of Green]

Oblivion, GRAW, COD2, TDU are a few good games for 360. You cant be this stupid so you must be messing with people to get your kicks.

[Grown Folks Talk]

118 - landofsand
gametime - 05 Jul 2006 23:55 | Let him/her speak
Yes another stupid alien based shooter makes me cry.Im tired of seeing your ignorant comments in the ps3 section.Its a ps3 exclusive an you refuse to believe it.ubisoft could come to your front door and tell you and you still would no believe them idoit.is'nt it your bedtime or something go away loooser
Reply | Agree(0) | Disagree(2) | Spam/Offensive
how come NOW another stupid alien based shooter is a good game? H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E. do you know what that word means? like i said before. if blue dragon, lost planet, or lost odysee were ps3 exclusives they would be great, aaa titles. but since they are on the 360 they suck, even though they are exactly the same types of games playstation is popular for.

[Monchichi025]

I just came back from a business trip from Colombia and heard a PS3 story on the national news. You see some loyal Sony Fan flew from down there to New York City to sit in line for 5 days to buy a PS3. He then joyfully flew back home that night to impress all his friends with his new PS3 as he was most likely the only person in Colombia with one. Well three hours into his PS3 experience, his PS3 overheated and stopped working!!!! Poor Guy! Now he is having trouble getting Sony to fix it for him.
So basically the PS3 is getting horrible publicity in South America right now because of their faulty system. Sucks to be Sony and a poor Sony fan right now.

[Jamaicangmr]

@ Scrumptious

Do you realize how dumb you sound? Does your fanboyish love know no bounds does it not go beyond Microsoft vapor snifing practices?

Look at it this way take a quick glance down the road lets say 6months. Now do you still think that retarded line of thinkin is going to stand? One game lol! Your just upset because the has a killer app out of the gate thats comparable to the best that the Xbox360 is capable of a year into its life span.

1 Game lol! your pricless lol!

[ScorpioKyle]

why are you kids whining about who's toy is better than the others? Just enjoy what you can get and stop whining about who prefers which corporate master.

[power of Green]

Bullshit Hippie talk wont work on a gamming site. lol

[gnothe1]

your another big sony fan, why would you put RSX in your name when you dont know nothing about the RSX. thats like not knowing if that pretty woman really is a woman or just a cute a$$ guy an getting their name tatooed on you or something.stop being such a fan boy because if all we was reading was the Ps3 is great ,its awsome, its killing the xbox360 right now, the graphics are 4D like ken said then we'd never hear the end of it from you sony fans. ya'll can dish it out but you cant take it!!but guess what!! I FEEL NO SORROW FOR YOU GUYS, thats right cry!! come here an let me taste your tears!!!

[NJ1307RSX]

You are a complete idiot!

BTW: PS3 online is a lot better than what I thought! :)

[gnothe1]

better than live though, thats what you people fail to understand.ok its free, but that keyboard your using wasnt,lol!!I read some where that you can listen to music while playing you games on the PS3, FROM YOUR HOUSE STEREO!!

you know whats a shame, im trying to sell my PS3 an cant even get it sold,at this point I might just try an get my money back on ebay, because its been on for 2 days now an no bids yet, to bad theres 18,000 more ps3 on there also.so if anybody intrested let me know!!! im trying to get $900 buy im willing to deal ( 20 gig model)

[kornbeaner]

Nobody right now wants a 20 gig model. just like nobody wanted a 360 core system. if you had a 60 gig model then yeah you'd have no problem selling it. my advice go back and get your money, cuz nobody is gonna buy a 20 gig model for an inflated price.

[bosko]

INCOMING FANBOYS!

TAKE COVER!

ahahahhaa....sigh...
ahhhh here they come!!

[Grown Folks Talk]

are you limiting yourself to 1 post every other month? you shouldn't hold back. jump in (no pun intended) and join us in this never ending battle of keyboard insults and overly personal disagreements more often. it's fun for the whole family.

[UNREAL-T]

i respect his opinion, but now he has to hear mine, i think ps3 is better than 360 (my opinion). all we have to do is wait and see.

[Thugbot187]

I respect your opinion but my problem is, when I say the 360 is better I give a factual reason to support what I say. What I can't stand is PS3 fans tend to have no fact to support there opinion, or misconstrued facts and try to mount an argument to tell everyone else they are idiots, or wrong for thinking 360 is better or the PS3 isn’t worth the price. The worse part is these fanatics (PS3 Fanboys), will swear up and down that what ever news is heard from creditable sources are untrue if they appear to have any bad news, but if the news is good the source then be comes creditable and fuel for the madness.

[kornbeaner]

Yeah the 360 has a lead and i don't see them releasing it for about 2 years, maybe 3(but the gap will not be that great 1 maybe 2 million consoles tops). But the PS3 has somthing that is gonna be needed by the industry in the years to come. A high capacity stroage media. Wether or not blu-ray wins the movie format wars is irrealavent. Blu-ray will still be in the machine and developers are gonna see the benefits of this storage media in the years to come. Is the PS3 hard to develop for? YES! but the PS2 was hard to develop for at first but games still cameout for it that were amazing(even though there was a window based mahcine out there"DREAMCAST"). MS one year lead and the fact that it's a window based machine is working wonders, but don't get it twisted MS cut corners to get that one year lead because they knew that they could not take Sony on head to head, i truly believe that MS got the one year Head start but they easily cut one to two years of the life span of that machine, and the only thing that is gonna keep them afloat is a little title called HALO 3. just like HALO kept the Orignal Xbox afloat.

[Thugbot187]

I don’t have a problem with extra storage capacity, the problem is with BLU-RAY as a technology. BLU-RAY has taken Sony 10years to develop and it’s still having manufacture problems. That says a whole lot right there; it’s a very buggy and difficult to manufacture meaning expensive for consumers. The other thing is there are new technologies releasing this coming year that from day one yield a higher storage capacity and are easier to produce. Why should we adopt BLU-RAY or HD-DVD when they are only marginal gains and there is better technology? It’s silly for us to invest the capital in BLU-RAY when it will be replaced in about 2 to 4yrs. Look even Sony is saying there next console will not have an optical disc drive. So why are they pushing this? To make up the money the lost on the 10years of developing the BLU-RAY format. If they cared so much about increasing space for developers why not go with the new optical disc that support 1.6 Terabytes (1600gb)?

[gnothe1]

why do you think its better than the xbox? the games right now dont show it, the online dont show it,it might be you just PREFER the Ps3 but I dont see how you can say you think ITS BETTER!!

[drewdrakes]

Okay I have a good question, and I'm going to be completely neutral about it, why should i buy an Xbox 360 or PS3? Can any fanboy convince me beyond a doubt either way? What are you trying to prove by debating this, you aren't going to convince the other sides fans to buy your sides console. But honestly, try and persuade me to buy each console, someone can throw arguments for a wii in there too if the want.

[kornbeaner]

Honestly nobody can convice you on what console to buy if they are truely gamers. this is gonna have to do with what type of gamer you tend to be. FPS no doubt 360, all FPS games are made for the type console MS put out.
GEAR of War all the Rainbow 6 and Ghost Recon, Bioshock coming out next year 360 is gonna be truly untouchable in that market.
Now if you want Rpg's, action/adventure, driving, then the PS3 has the your name called. They have the developers locked down for this. Squarenix, Polyphony, incognito(god of war), and who can forget about Konami. These developers have always been there for Sony and i don't see them leaving camp anytime soon. Nintendo is a under the radar but they are bringing somthing that has never been done before and there fore will probley be more immersive then any of the other 2 systems. so honestly take your pick.

[drewdrakes]

But PS3 has Resistance, and Xbox 360 has Enchanted Arms, Mass Effect, and Blue Dragon. So they each have games from each others strengths (although Mass Effect is partially a FPS). But that was the point i was trying to illustrate, to each his own. Everyone likes what they like, so there is no point in debating.

[willymcd]

if there is a game you really want to play that is on one console and not the other then that should be the console you buy. say gears of war gets you going then xbox 360, resistance then PS3, or you can look into the future, forza motorsport 2 or grand turismo, halo 3 or metal gear solid. maybe also decide on how important online play is to you, what controller you like. ITs all subjective i feel.

[bigj]

If you read in the article this statement here "The PS3 versions will be ports of the 360 versions" really this says there will be no need in having a 50-60 gigabyte blu-ray disc, because if the xbox 360 HD DVD can hold it theres no point for blu-ray disc. I know all yall sony fans are going to say that this statement is not legit, but all I have to say is think about it in a developer's state of mind. You know the xbox 360 developer's kits has been out way longer than the ps3's kit. So you know that the xbox 360 are going to have a lot of games that will be ported to the ps3. I just think there will not be a 50-60 gigabyte game out there, because it already takes a developer 5 to 6 years to make a good quality game. Do you honestly think they will waste 10 to 15 years to fill up a 50 to 60 gigabyte bluray disk.....I doubt it. The only ones that will believe it is the sony fanboys with no common sense.

[kornbeaner]

Ok lets say that all multi-platform releases are just "ports". That's fine, but what are developers going to put in as extras on a PS3 disc because it has the extra room. Developers don't need to fill a disc but i am certain that alot of things are cut last minute on a DVD-9 just to make space. Just like the origanal Xbox always got the better looking game and better online play because of the machine, PS3 version can ultimatley be the same game but with extras. Obilvion is a perfect example. When this game is released on the PS3 it will already include the Nine nights expansion. This is made possible due the extra room on a blu-ray. And to top it off 50 gigs is not that hard to fill. Gears of War is easily a 20 gig game uncompressed, maybe more. But once all compression is done that's it. All other Extra's are either on a 2nd disc or made availible for download. This is not nessary when putting a game on a blu-ray.

[DeathNote1]

eh. you're wrong sorry. there's already a game out there with 16gb that took 1 year to make.
ports.. wont be taking much use of the space.
games made exclusive.. will.. and have.

[Marriot VP]

kornberner, there's no reason or incentive for developers to put in extra stuff or better graphics because the game will still sell the same amount on both systems.

How many people know the size taken on a game disk, that's a very insignificant figure.

[Maddens Raiders]

political parties. For the sake of brevity I'll get right to the point:

It's not everday that I'm lost for words at content that's chucked up on the net. I mean people use it for all kinds of messages and sometimes just plain BS propaganda in order to advance their cause, but this -- this is just hilarious. It's akin to some mandate thrown out by a rogue element of the government to justify a coup; of course for nefarious reasons. But we're not talking geo-political struggles -- we're talking gaming consoles!

lol, Man -- I think someone is having a lot of fun gassing up sony fanboys at news4gamers expense right now. Otherwise, this is perfect comedy central material. Good Grief, it'll never end. Oh well, back to Resistance.

[Dusk]

You're talking about Resistance as the 16 gig game. So you're saying it has taken advantage of the space?! Explain to me, then, why it has scored lower than 360 games such as Gears, COD2, GRAW, and Oblivion, all of which came out on one DVD (gamerankings.com). The expansion pack for Oblivion was not exluded from the 360 disc for lack of space, as Oblivion took up just more than half of a DVD9. It comes as a download for 360 owners because it was made after the retail version shipped. They could, but they aren't going to re-ship the game for the 360, especially when the 360 has a robust online service.

The 360 has already secured the position as the primary console for developers. Therefore, multiplatform games are ported to the PS3, rendering the supposed bluray advantage useless. If Resistance is your example of how the PS3 dominates with bluray, then I feel bad for PS3 owners. Good luck with your 8/10 game score advantage.

For all those saying the 360 launch games were as bad as the PS3 launch games, do a little research. As far as games exclusive to either system, the PS3 has Resistance, a high 80s scored game, that's it. COD2 for the 360 launch is a 90s scored game. Plus the 360 had PGR3 (high 80s), Condemned (80s), Kameo (80s), DOA4 (high 80s), and PDZ (80s). Man, even Geometry Wars (high 80s), an XBLA game, is rated higher than Resistance. (gamerankings.com)

Now I'm not saying the PS3 is a bad system, but its launch is pathetic. Its hardware is not outdoing the 360 and the multiplatform games (COD3, Tony Hawk, Rainbow 6, etc.) are reviewed by all of the major gaming sites as better on the 360. It's missing basic necessities out of the box (ie. HD cables, etc.), doesn't work for 1080i TVs, can't stream music during gaming, its online service seems unfinished, Sony didn't meet its downsized prediction of 400,000 units shipped to the US for launch, and its having the same hardware problems all new electronic devices do (ie. overheating, etc).

Sorry fanboys, Sony has been moving backward since at least E3 '06 and just took another step backward with this sorry attempt at a console launch. This doesn't mean its over for Sony, far from it, but they now have even more catching up to do, especially with every major US mainstream news service bashing the PS3. Oh yeah, did I mention that Gears of War will probably get game of the year?

[ThomasDaGamer]

Info on a new wii game (or something generic like that): 0-20 comments in a day.
Something that could spark a flamewar (like this for example): 70 comments in 6 hours.

Does anyone else notice this?

[Donkey Slayer]

Starbreeze PS3 versus Xbox360. PS3 has more content.
http://digg.com/gaming_news...
Other than the extra content on the PS3, no notable difference:

" On a related note, 2K also anticipates that the final version will run at 30fps in-game and 60 frames during cutscenes, with no noticeable performance differences between the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3."

[kingboy]

lol looks like we got another lazy developer not doing his homework.Mr fanboy needs more trainning with the hardware before openning his mouth...so far the guys behind FIGHT NIGHT,NBA 2K7...ect are already cracking the code on this beast(ps3)and here comes a lazy one talkin bull...lol

[ShrimpyMcDougal]

Theres been a lot of false ideas about what each GPU can do so since I program in my free time I'll explain some things to you guys in a way that hopefully (one Xbox fan or Sony fans gonna say I was biased) clear some things up.
The reason this guy states the 360's GPU is better than the PS3's is because based off whats known about the RSX its not that good. The RSX is sort of last gen in its design. It's good for what was released prior to the nVidia GeForce 8800. In the last gen idea for a GPU a set number of Vertex and Pixel Pipelines were given.
The PS3 according to what I could find(they make it really hard to find stuff on the RSX) the RSX was built on the GeForce 7 series and has 8 vertex shaders and 24 pixel shaders. The 360's GPU is a part of the new Gen of GPU's that use a fully unified shader core. Instead of having a set limit to how many operations each vertex and pixel can do, it dynamically chooses how many pipelines to use for vertex and how much to use for pixel(Geometry shaders are just coming out but I don't believe 360 or PS3 supports them). The 360 has 48 unified shaders. This dynamic ability makes it much easier to program for since it will decide how much work to do in each on there own. Or can put all those pipelines into the Pixel shader to create some amazing visuals.
Now onto the number. RSX uses 24 pixel shaders and 8 vertex, 360 uses 48 unified. So obviously 24+8 < 48 right? Yes and No... Vertex operations include translating, rotating and scaling the vertex arrays passed in. Thats all. Everything else is reliant on the Pixel shaders. In the end the Pixel shaders do a lot of work. So having the unified shader pipeline gives the 360 an advantage here because if for some reason a lot of movement and changes happen to the models on screen it can take more time with the vertex pipeline.
Another thing that the 360 has going for it that the RSX doesn't is the shared memory. 360 uses shared memory between the CPU and the GPU. This cuts down on a ton of transfer times because you no longer need to load the information between the two. If a GPU needs something now it can just grab it.
In the end the 360 has a better GPU. (Waits to get flamed...)
Now... the GPU does all the work for you to see the image you see on screen, so if we think about it a second the 360 can make something look better at the same framerate than the PS3 could because it has more parallel processes going on.
Heres the thing.
The PS3 has a better developed CPU. The 360's isn't bad it was just made more with an ease of development in mind. The PS3 has one 3.2 main core and 7 SPE's. One of which is dedicated to the OS. The SPE's were built to run things completely separate of each other. This is good and bad for the PS3. 1 it makes it harder to program for because you have to break up chunks of code to be run at the same time. MultiThreading in itself is difficult to get working without having sync problems and making it work on 6 is REALLY difficult, so much so that theres big pay for someone thats good at it. But if someone knows what to do they have more power than the 360's CPU.
Making sense of it all... A game doesn't run from the just the CPU or just the GPU. If a GPU is really good but it's CPU can't give it data fast enough the GPU won't be any good. Same goes for the CPU. You can calculate all the math you want on the CPU but if it takes to long to get to the GPU your gonna get framerate issues. Both Systems have there advantages but it's there weakness that will keep the games down. Truth be told, in my opinion, games on the PS3 will have much more going on but look worse. I think the 360 will have better looking games, for a while, but less going on.
Just look at Gears of War and Resistance. Resistance has SO much going on in the background calculations, Gears has less going on but it IMO looks better.
Finally, it really comes down to the games, or better yet the developers. It's up to the developer to get the game running where both the GPU and CPU are running as much as they can in sync. A lot of games spend months trying to get the ratio right.

Sorry for the typos... I'm tired.

[ACE]

but u forgot something when u said the cpu could do more , have u seen or playd call of duty 3 on both systems ? tell me why it looks and runs smoother with all that stuff going on on the 360 ? why does the ps3 run it at 30 frames a sec and the 360 runs it at 60 frames a sec and theres tones of stuff going on . gears of war u do get aloty of stuff going on on sertean levels . in fact resisteance should b compared to say call of duty 3 and c o d 3 beats it hands down .

[lalaland]

"So obviously 24+8 < 48 right? Yes and No... Vertex operations include translating, rotating and scaling the vertex arrays passed in. Thats all. Everything else is reliant on the Pixel shaders."

The PS3 can use the SPU's for some vertex operations. The pixelshaders of the RSX are supposedly faster/better than the one in Xenos making a direct comparrison of numbers impossible.

"Another thing that the 360 has going for it that the RSX doesn't is the shared memory. [snip] If a GPU needs something now it can just grab it."

So too can the RSX in the PS3. It has a memory bandwidth of 25GB/s to the Cell part of memory (shared with Cell just as Xenon and Xenos share 22GB/s on X360), and the RSX supposedly has extra cache to hinder potential latency issues. If Cell wants access to the RSX part of memory, it asks RSX to transfer it. The two main points the X360 unified memory is good for over the PS3 implementation are:

1. easier on programmers
2. possibility of a single texture larger than 256MB (which we will never see)

You do forget to mention that one of the true benefits of the Xenos is the ed-RAM, but that has ofcourse been beaten to death before.

-> Was a sony fan

CoD3 has been in development with the X360 as the main platform on final dev kits for more than 16 months (they probably started development even earlier), and only on PS3 with final dev kits for a couple of months. It is actually quite impressive that they've managed to get it running that good in so little time.

It will be easier to directly compare the quality of graphics in about a year from now, when both platforms has matured a bit.

[ACE]

thats no excuse mate , look at it this way the xbox got ports from the ps2 and lookd and sounded better , so if the cell and rxs r what sony say it is than theres no excuse for the poor port .

i hope u get what i mean .

[FirstknighT]

Some people are talking about storage being a problem for the 360...well Resistance is 20 gigs I believe, and it only offers 10-12 hours of gameplay??? I know a few games that fit on one dvd that has more gameplay than that!

Just more and more bad news for the ps3...This boat is sinking fast and taking all the sony suckers down with them! It's actually kinda pathetic seeing so much bad press for the ps3...and even worse, the fanboys continuing to believe in their system. There are facts every day on how the ps3 is not what they said they were...yet, the sony fanboys just call foul. "must be a 360 fanboy who wrote it"

What do u guys actually need to finally realize the ps3 is all hype? Why do you guys viciously defend your system like your mother was being attacked? It's just a V I D E O G A M E S Y S T E M and not as good as the 360!!!! And so what if its not as good as the 360! No big deal! No need to come on these forums and bash every single fact that comes out. There was an article from The New York Times stating it wasn't impressed with the PS3. Oh what are u going to say now? The New York Times are stupid? Microsoft paid them!!!! This is getting old fast! Just accept defeat and move on! The ps3 will have good games eventually but the 360 is just better!

[kornbeaner]

forgetting that everything in a game add space to the disk. Gears is a beautiful game but it
doesn't seems to have a lot of backround action going on. It's a heavy duck and shot type game. While Resistance tends to be more the kill everything that comes at you type game. Secondly Gears online play is from what i can recall up to 8 players, while Resistance is 40 players. Graphics wise Gears cannot not be touched by any game out there right now, but by the same token if you look at resistance it's trying to immerse you in a total battlefield the likes of a Call of duty.
I've played resistance and COD 2 and none can compare to GEARS graphics, but both have more going on screen at any given time then Gears does, and at this point Resistance looks better than COD2 did last year. That's part of the reason why resistance is much more of a space hogger.

[FKN Unbelievable]

Why the Downsize?

[FeralPhoenix]

I have to admit that this guy seemed a little biased, first off its hard to accept his opinion when he doesn't have the courage to give his name and the company he works for.....I mean I understand that doing so might affect him or his company negatively, but as long as he makes it CLEAR that this is ONLY HIS PERSONAL OPINION, I don't think any reasonable person or Sony can "hate" him or his company for it. I'm sure all the dev's favor one console over another, thats common sense, their human.....but the bottom line is they are PROFESSIONALS, so that doesn't mean, they hate or don't want to work on the other console, they do what's in the best interest of their company, which most likely is to make them alot of money from making great games on both consoles.
I understand 360 fans want to get back at all the Sonyfanboys who have "dogged" the 360 over the last yr, and yes it was rough..."like playing poker with your cards showing" because 360 was doing great things and all we ever heard was "yeah but the PS3 will do this" or "thats nothing the PS3 will be superior".....well check my old posts, I told them along with many others that PS3 would not "blow 360 away", but its hard to fight a "myth"....its a great machine; give it time and we will see better stuff, but it clearly has at least some catching up to do -and I'm not referring to sales.
OK, so to make a long story short, 360 fans shouldn't really "celebrate" this article, since its anonymous and if the shoe was on the other foot, they would all be disagreeing with the "writer" just like the Sony fans.

[Bhai]

There are just so, so many comparisonal articles floating around the web that even I can write an article in favour of Wii and make both 360 and PS3 look bad...HeeHeeHee, its so funny that at a surrealiy anonymous site such as hardcoreware.net an article of the sort appears and it more hilarious that while saying that the dev doesn't want to step on anybody's toes, he does the exact opposite and fully stands on Sony's toes. "someone who's been developing for both PS3 and 360" Hah ! I wonder why such retarded markeing arrives from the American side, really such BS content is nowhere to be found in the European and Japanese propagandas. Clearly the so assumed dev is a 360 fanboy and just like us here, he is a good surfer, collected everything from the web, made an aesthetically readable article and published it on a cheap site such as hardcoreware.net. tch tch tch !!! so cheap.

[smitty]

An anonymous post like this means nothing... just PR paid by Microsoft because they know their system has been outclassed.

[DJ]

it wouldn't be the first time they've pulled this stunt.

[marcusfenix]

GOT PWNED, AND IS GETTING PWNED IN SALES!!! THE 360 SOLD MORE THAN BOTH THE PS# AND THE WII IN NORTH AMERICA!!!

[borgome]

I think articles like these are so pointless, what kind of retard takes the time research this and right an article....weak. I don't care either way which system is better, just as long as you enjoy the console you have. I personally choose to own a 360 and it makes my dingle tingle.

[videl]

a anonym xbot fanboy. it his opinion, and his opinion is wrong. i mean read the text again, this is in no way a developer. ps3 is far superior, period. idiotic fanboys will not change that.

[Silver Bull3t]

My buddy shot me this great response to this article...

pardon the bullets, etc...
---------
I read this article last night actually. I question the "developer"
>because I didn't see anything that was specific as to why it was
>more difficult to develop for other than the reasons that most
>state.
>
>"/The XBOX 360 is also far faster to develop for due to better
>development tools (massively popular Visual Studio .NET vs.
>proprietary, buggy PS3 compiler and debugger), better documentation,
>and easier architecture (3 general purpose CPU's vs. 8 specialized
>processors < http://www.hardcoreware.net...
>that require DMA)./"
>
>I have a problem with the statement above. VS.NET is popular,
>however it is geared towards managed code, this means, VB.NET,
>C#.NET and C++.NET which in turn means the developer is yet another
>layer above the hardware and doesn't directly work with it. It also
>means that M$ would have had to create a VS.NET for PPC as VS.NET
>currently only works on Windows and x86 architecture. Not that this
>certainly could not have been done but I highly doubt that it is any
>less buggy than the PS3 development tools. M$ has not done a good
>job of providing updates to its development environment. The updates
>to VS.NET 2002 was VS.NET 2003 and the updates and patchs to VS.NET
>2003 is actually VS.NET 2005. There were ZERO interim updates or
>patches and each of these "updates" cost moola! This may differ for
>development firms with the X360, but I kind of doubt it. I've
>worked with .NET since its inception and I am VERY familiar with the
>tools.
>
>It is possible to create non-managed code with .NET but its pretty
>much discouraged. With that said, developers could be going it on
>their own and I would expect them to since I don't think managed
>code is ready for the prime time with regards to the gaming world.
>If I recall correctly XNA may be a managed code development tool,
>which would also mean that the 360 uses a .NET runtime of some sort.
>I don't have a warm fuzzy with games and managed code. I am not a
>game developer but I am a developer so this may or may not be the
>case.
>
>Spinning a thread is not a big deal. However, synchronizing it with
>other threads is a challenge and there is typically a framework or a
>technique in place to handle this. I don't see why the same would
>not be true of the PS3.
>
>
>"/But they had their hands tied just trying to make the PS3 work, it
>was incredibly ambitious (blu-ray etc.). I haven't seen it yet, but
>I seriously doubt the quality will be anywhere to the level of XBOX
>360./"
>
>How in the hell is this guy a *credible source* as a "/Lead
>Developer/" for the PS3 and the 360 if he has never seen the PS3 OR
>USED a PS3 dev kit? How does he know that its buggy? Did a junior
>developer not learn how to use the tool properly and therefore
>declared it "/buggy/"? WTF? This "/developer/" has ZERO credibility
>with me and I say he is full of sh!t!
>
>It would be different if he said, "While using the debugger, it
>would suddenly trap to the desktop while inspecting variables and
>memory addresses" For a "/Lead Developer/" he is VERY short on what
>makes one system easier than the other.
>
>"/There are two formats: HD-DVD and BLU-RAY. Basically if you rent a
>BLU-RAY DVD from Bockbuster, it won't play in your XBOX 360 HD-DVD,
>and vice versa with the PS3/."
>
>Who cares, this is really a moot point as this simply does not
>matter when developing a game it doesn't make it harder or easier.
>Its simply a storage medium.
>
>"/But as far as the consoles are concerned, the XBOX 360 wins
>because the DVD player is a separate unit/"
>
>Again, a credibility issue here. Its a HD-DVD not a DVD player. As a
>developer he should get this one right...especially as a "/Lead
>Developer/" and again its a moot point as its just a storage medium.
>Sure its nice to have the extra room, but a 360 with a HDD could
>certainly load data from a second DVD and have a main play DVD. I
>don't see the big deal. Blu-Ray is certainly nice, even better if it
>wins the format war. The storage medium should not matter these
>days, DVD, Blu-Ray whatever, it can store a significant amount of
>data.
>
>"/PS3 controversy: Shootings, Wallmart fights, $15,000 Ebay sales
>etc. My advice is ignore it. It will pass soon./"
>
>While tragic, I fail to see how this makes a system of any kind
>easier or more difficult to develop for. Let's just stick with the
>topic at hand.
>
>I could keep going, but I think you get my point. This guy states
>what is mostly known and gives no specifics from a developer
>standpoint as to WHY one is easier than the other. It could be true
>that the 360 is waaaay easier than the PS3. I am totally fine with
>that, but give me REAL technical reasons not vague bullsh!t reasons.
>
>

[borgome]

woot!
Man I've gone through so many tighty whitetys since getting GOW.
woot!

[Xtrm L1481L1TY]

Why don't you give me a REAL developer that has actually had experience developing for both PS3 and Xbox 360 not vague bullsh!t wannabe developers.

[DJ]

It really helps clear up a lot of things that were wrong with the article.

[borgome]

....for being a sony fanboy retard, so I don't have to deal with your dumbaS on xbox live.

[Xtrm L1481L1TY]

That laugh was very gratifying when looking back at E3 2005 and all the Sony fanboys that followed like blind sheep.

[DJ]

What's odd is that it admits that PS3 titles are going to end up being superior due to the SPUs/SPEs, and then switches by saying that the PS3 isn't worth buying. ? And this part just made me cringe:

"as far as the consoles are concerned, the XBOX 360 wins because the DVD player is a separate unit. Playing movies is very taxing on the DVD reader, and let’s face it. In 3 years when your PS3 DVD drive goes out due to playing lots of movies...you will have to go buy another PS3. With the 360, you’ll just chuck your HD-DVD player, and go buy another one at the store."

I didn't realize we were buying these products with the pretense that we'll have to 'chuck them in the trash' after a few years. Is this guy serious? The information written in this Anonymous page looks copied and pasted from the same crap analysis that Microsoft sent IGN.com after Sony's showing at E3 05.

Ok, so there's the whole 3 General Purpose cores vs. 1 General Purpose & 7 Special Purpose cores debate. What makes it obvious that this guy is fake is that he doesn't even state how this architectural setup affects design decisions within his 'team', let alone elaborate on performance positives/negatives of the processors. The dude's supposedly a lead programmer, but completely ignores half the architecture of BOTH consoles.

It's shady, and the fact that it's Anonymous doesn't help. Gamers on both sides should ignore this.

[Optimus Prime]

hey dj. it is kind of the same thing you do, you just copy and paste most of the time you fanboy

[Scrumptious]

The qeustion is not how ahead of the 360 is the P$3, but can it even match the 360. $ony's strategy of overhyping the P$2 worked against the Dreamcast which was technically comparable to the P$2, but not the 360. This time the industry is actually voicing the fact that the machine does not match the promise made, and the $ony fanboys all have their panties in a wad. Granted, there will be great games for both system, but the 360 is technologically equivalent and $200 cheaper for not forcing a next-gen DVD standard on the consumer..

[duckman2470]

Well you people have been told since day 1 that the PS3 is all hype and nothing more. This is sonys way of selling things, justlook atthe commercials on TV, just like they have always done they show CGI video and no real gameplay video this makes the avgerage person say wow look how great that game is sony is god, but in reality it was only a short CGI movie not real game play. people find out once they buy and try. At which point there to embarassed that they got taken of yet another one of sonys ploys they put out reality and come up with anything that sounds better for the sole purpose of defending there investment.
Just face it already, its The PS3 is out and is being talked about everywhere, ITS A TOTAL FLOP. You wasted your time and money buying one. The war has been over 2 days after it was released! Sony Lost , MS wins WELCOME TO REALITY!

[Anerythristic26]

On the issue of Sonys horrible and deceptive business practices. They have been showing CGI as gameplay since the FF7 commercial for the PSX. I have a BIG issue with the way they do business. That is probably the major reason I hate on them so much. I was up in the air about the PS3 as soon as I saw more crazy hyped promises and the entire E3 '05 CGI fiasco I was firmly in Microsofts and Nintendos corner this generation.

[Scrumptious]

what the fanboy wants to see. I've played both and have my opinion that Sony has some catching up to do, then they will be about equal. I would like to buy one when the drop a few hundred dollars. I know a fanboy who has played the PS3 connected with composite cables(the red white yellow so@480i) and told me all about the superior quality of blu-ray and how much better the multi-platforms games looked compared to 360. Sony does a great job of brainwashing fans into believing the impossible. Poeple don't want to admit their wrong so they'll put on their rose color glasses and pretend.

[EasilyTheBest]

Reading all the different sites talking about the PS3 it really does sound like the Sony launch has been one big flop, the bad reviews are shocking. Games with FRAMERATE issues!! what the hells all that about. The buzz surrounding the PS3 has certainly dampened for the average person in the street. The price being one hell of a major factor. All these negatives will eventually filter down to the average person and change their mind about buying a PS3...
Alot of people on these posts, although they may be Microsoft fanboys, none the less have said that Eventually the PS3 will have some amazing games.. Well from what im reading NEW York Times, Price, Games Review Scores, Shipment Numbers, Lost Exclusives, Xbox360 Momentum, Wii Momentum and New too. Games not selling well. This could be one of the biggest console flops ever and if PS3 doesnt sell the numbers after the initial first quarter we may never see the GOOD and BETTER GAMES...

[BRUTUS]

When ps2 has left on sale at it was not aaa games and gpu at it 64 mb compare them to games which left in 1999 and present for example half life and killzone well or pro evo soccer 4 with pro evo 6
JUST CAUSE on XBOX 360 it is looked worse than SCARFACE on PS2 and gameplay there sucks i am a GAMER I have both console thats my opinion

[jwatt]

We already know this, we know that the xbox 360 is alot easier to developer for than any other platform and that it will take a while before developers tap into the real power of the ps3. Alot of titles are getting delayed mainly because there are only a handful of ps3 coming out plus there're are a lot of Blu Ray adopters getting ps3s. Yes Gears of war is a better game than RFOM but Resistence is a very impressive game for a launch title and proves that if developers can to get used to the cell processor then games can come out right with no problems. But like Sony said this is not a sprint but a marathon, things might look a little shaky for Sony right now, but the ps3 is a powerful machine and good games are going to start coming out, Blu Ray Movies will start coming, bugs will get fixed and did I mention more ps3 games are coming. Lair, Virual Fighter, Heavenly Sword, Devil may cry, Ninja Gaiden, Medal of Honor, Stranglehold, Warhawk, UT2007, MGS4, Killzone, Socom, FFXIII trust me this is playstation the games are going to come.

[PS3n360]

Sony guys are constatnly saying PS3 is better classier etc etc. Anyone thats not blind simply has to look at the games and look at the facts and it is clear the PS3 simply can not compete with the 360. 360 will always be a year further along in game development and PS3 games will always be a year behind. Thats the reason your all so angry and upset by articles like this. I dont understand why anyone would be so blind and faithful to a company that hasnt produced a quality piece of hardware since the betamax (which despite losing the war is still superior to VHS, TV stations still use it) The truth hurts get used to it.

[Bullseye]

I'm lead programmer and designer for a global company developing games for PS360 and i can tell you absolutely this console is 10X better than the crap you own. However i can't as yet give you my name, because i don't exist therefore nobody thought to give me a name.Must be a slow news day guys.

[HaKeRsCanRotINHEL]

Amen brother ! Its the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth . Sony fanboys have the right to remain silent .

[HaKeRsCanRotINHEL]

Sorry I mispelled true-ture . Bad-me Bad-me .

[PS3n360]

you do know you can hit the edit link on your post and change it right? no need to waste a precious buble like i just did telling you that. hmmmmm I better use this oportunity to say 360 rocks Ps3 is defeated on day 5 bwahahaha!

[Mighty Boom]

PS3 blows dirty man stick! I waisted $683.67 on this piece of dog crap! Its big, bulky, nd looks like a bread basket! PS3 online is like a slow train wreck. In conclusion, unless you are a loyal fanboy stick with the 360 and the wii.

[TheBeginningOfTheEnd]

how did u spent the 67 cents? taxes?

fanboys, both sony and ms, give me one GOOD reason why oyur console pwns the othr one

[PS3n360]

XBOX Live! nuff said

[MicroGamer]

Over 150 of them out NOW and next years line up is to die for. PS3 has NOTHING out now or in the pipeline that's gonna make me want to pony up $600 and run out and buy one.

[FKN Unbelievable]

"Gears of war is a better game than RFOM but Resistence is a very impressive game for a launch title and proves that if developers can to get used to the cell processor then games can come out right with no problems. "
Or if you make a last gen PS2 On BLu-Ray disc so it can't be BC would lead you believe that the Cell is easier to use.