In the last few months a lot of attention has been placed on elements that increased or will increase the power of the Xbox One, like the juice previously reserved to Kinect made available to developers for different purposes or DirectX 12, but Turn 10 Studio Head Dan Greenawalt, with whom DualShockers had a chat at Gamescom, thinks that the true gains lay elsewhere.
Having outgrown its Gran Turismo rivalry, Forza Motorsport is looking to redefine racing games in glorious high fidelity for Xbox Series X and S.
I think forza horizon is now number one on the forza games. That franchise took the number one spot on racing on Microsoft machines. I think they should go next to forza rally, because there a huge hole on that area of racing. A full forza rally would be great. I think normal racing game already hit the ceiling.
"A full forza rally would be great. I think normal racing game already hit the ceiling."
The new Forza Motorsport marks a return to it´s simulator roots. Turn 10 is not aiming at Gran Turismo anymore. They´re aiming at Assetto Corsa and other full SIM racing games.
It took Turn10 8 games to implement tire and fuel management and now they are aiming for assetto corsa?
@obscure
Id ask u if u were joking but sadly i know ur being legit, what a shock.
Like pitbullmonster said it took 8 games just get tyre and fuel management in the game and somehow its leaped gt and when did gt fall behind the other sim racers lol
U could try to be a little more subtle when making fan boyish comments.
Guaranteed u havent even played the latest gt or assetto corso so likely have no idea what ur actually talking about.
Anyways back to the op, im glad motorsport is coming back exactly as is with a new physics system and revamped graphics, id take this all day over a rally game.
If they want to make a tally game then sure thatd be nice but not at the expense of motorsport
"Forza rally could be awesome"
Personally, I don´t think Xbox needs another *Forza* title since Microsoft already has one of the best Rally IPs in the genre.
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This game looks absolutely insane visually. I'm wondering what framerate it'll run at with RT enabled. Obviously, there will be 120hz and 60hz modes, but with what level of detail & RT is the question.
I'd assume 60fps still, but the resolution is likely dynamic just like it was in Forza Horizon, with 1/2 or 1/4 resolution raytracing which is apparent from the trailer. Allegedly what was shown was a combination of PC max settings and Series X targets, so we'll have to wait and see.
120Hz mode would be cool, but I'm not sure they'll do it, and if so it'll likely only be Series X. So I'd say:
Series X: Native 4K@60fps basically Max Settings / Dynamic 4K@60fps w. Raytracing (1440p - 4K)
Series S: Native 1440p@60fps High Settings / Dynamic 1080p@60fps w. Raytracing (720p - 1080p)
I really doubt they will do raytracing in 60fps mode, hopefully im wrong, but I just dont see it happening.
30fps RT mode
60fps performance mode without RT
Im not even sure there will be RT at all on Series S
@Onilink
The Series X should be able to do it without question, it's more of a question of how far down will the resolution have to drop when Reflections are at their most. A map with Rain, Puddles, multiple cars, and sunshine is going to be the stress point for the game, and we'll see if fps take the hit, or resolutions takes a nose dive in such as section. The resolution of reflections look 1080p on Series X because there was a good amount of aliasing going on, so I see Dynamic 4K with drops down to 1440p higher or lower depending on the map, time of day, weather conditions, number of cars on screen, and number of reflections.
The Series S is the one I question, because 1080p reflections while having aliasing is okay and not as noticeable while playing, so if the Series S uses quarter resolution we're looking at 540p reflections or lower and that's going to be very noticeable. But they said RT for Series consoles, but the didn't specify to what degree, aka used cars salesmen tactics, so it could very well be RT is in the PC version, and SX version, but it's RT shadows on the SS.
It would be a HUGE fail if they drop fps to 30fps for Raytracing in the SX version, but the Series S might have no choice in order to keep a high enough resolution. We'll see in 2023 I guess.
As a PlayStation only gamer, I have to admit that this new Forza game looks a generation ahead of GT7! And the water effects! Omg! Insanely photo realistic! Well done turn 10, well done.
does anyone remembers Rallisport challenge 20 years ago - that game was some rally racing with great graphics too
Paul writes: "Forza Horizon 2 then, a game from 2014 - a game that still stands up today"
Would love to see a PC port of this game Forza 3 and 4 are just gorgeous on XBOX but Jaw dropping on PC.
I remember when gran turismo was the driving sim king, I miss those days, I played the crap out of gt1, took me forever to get enough credits to get that viper, gt2 brought those muscle cars! Gt3 was a banger, gt4 was the downfall in my opinion, it was like they half assed the game, I think at one point they scanned a model car and used the bottom of it for the bottom of a car on their game. They gave up the crown and dont seem to care. Man though, gt1,2, and 3 were great.
not like DC does. they were 10 yrs ahead of their time.
https://youtu.be/pBEip6goHb...
but FH2 was pretty good as well.
Awesome video, those weather effects are nuts. I know that game didn’t start off to good but they should’ve gave them one more chance before they got shit down. Loved motorstorm
i made sure i bought it before they de listed it from the ps store. those graphics are still one of the best this gen. and the best when it comes to realism. it looks soo real sometimes.
DriveClub had some really impressive weather effects. It's a shame they didn't get another shot.
Graphically that's true DC is the best looking racing game ever, but the article isn't talking about graphics only. Game design and gameplay in FH2 was miles ahead and has consistently improved with each iteration.
they are saying it still holds up. to me that's a graphical thing. but if they think the open world car games are is the thing that makes a racing game hold up then The Crew is the winner.
in 10 yrs you can show DC and people will still think it's one of the best looking games.
but i get your point.
Just think if DC did not have prerendered backgrounds and the narrowest roads of any game i had played in a long time and it felt like it was on rails. DC was subpar and it cost the studio their jobs.
first of all the studio was shut down because of the launch of the game and all the free dlc they had to give away because of it. not the game itself.
pre-rendered backgrounds? lol thanks i needed that laugh.
"Just think if DC did not have prerendered backgrounds and the narrowest roads of any game i had played in a long time and it felt like it was on rails."
that's called a racetrack dumb dumb :)
FH2 had some of the worst graphics in a racer so of course you could have an open world. too bad the crew did a better job than FH2 and still does when it comes to open world racing.
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https://youtu.be/5WS55RHXyz...
@sampsonon Except Genius(Intended Irony) not all the tracks were race tracks. And No feeling like the game is on rails does not mean its a race track either. DC was a subpar racing game. I really enjoyed the invisible barriers when you drove on the burm too. Forza was such a better game but that does not need to be said its why the studio is still making games and the other was FIRED. I get it though its not like on the PS4 their is a great arcade first party racing game. So you do not know any better.
@xRacer74x they were race tracks, just not off road tracks.
sub par my ass. Like i said sony only disbanded the company because of the bad launch. they also have GT so they could afford to close the company.
FH2 looked like shit and still does compared to the superior graphocs of DC. even 3 looks shit compared to DC.
One game was using tracks and the other was an open world. one looked way better and the other one allowed you to "REWIND" HAHA! when you race = garbage.
Forza Horizon is a fun game, don't get me wrong. but it was lacking in so many places compared to DC.
https://youtu.be/aa6qZ2pny6...
I don't think simply being open world makes a game hold up, there were plenty of things FH2 did so well. IMO it did many things better than the Crew, which is why it's rated so much higher as well. Better graphics than the crew, the multiplayer was amazing with FM drivatar tech, and the handling of car just feels better than any arcade racer given the variety. The soundtrack is still my favourite.
LMAO, all the people that add no internet sucked balls since the phisical edition did not had those effects.
Forza Horizon 2 metacritic = 86 user 83
https://www.metacritic.com/...
Drive Club metacritic = 71 user = 63
https://www.metacritic.com/...
There is no real comparation, Drive CLub floped and the company went down while Forza Horizon 2 triumphed.
* I've still yet to beat the game and haven't bought FH3 or FH4 because I still have stuff to do in FH2....I just haven't played in a while. It's an awesome game and yes it still is just as good now as when it originally released.
Jacob writes: "Following on from my list of insanely difficult achievements, it’s time to shine the spotlight on another type of hellish achievement. The dreaded grind. These are the awards that will take you hundreds of hours at the absolute minimum, and often involve repeating menial tasks over and over. It’s safe to say that these were definitely not made with the casual gamer in mind. Only the most committed will ever see these pop."
Makes total sense. Sure they are going to get a bump in power from the kinect change but ultimately you have to code your games to take advantage of that. If you don't improve your code just giving more power wont really impact you much if you aren't doing anything different on the coding side.
I've got a lot of respect for Dan and his team. Can't wait to see Forza 6. That game will be amazing.
and who didn't know this????????
why do people think that games get better as the console ages? it's because they learn how to optimize and make things more efficient.
waste of an article...
Best example of learning to make a better game with time is the Super Nintendo... started with games like Super Mario World and finished with games like Donkey Kong Country.
this Agree/Disagree thing needs to be changed.
legitimate comments and positive xbox comments are being put down for no reason.
is this the same for sony articles?