Destiny Beta: Character News from Bungie is Disappointing

"In a new weekly update, Bungie confirmed that the characters created by players for the Destiny Beta will not return for the final version of the game. This was addressed in an official update because it had become an issue for players. As Deej described in the update, it was “one questions you’ve all been asking.” Explosion

[Chaostar]

It's only disappointing if you were stupid enough to believe they would carry over in the first place.

[ArchangelMike]

Agreed. Bungie is right that Characters from a BETA are not final builds in terms of stats, and so it would make sense to have the carried through. I'm sure if character stats in the final game are changed, people would complain if their BETA characters turn out to be underpowered, or gimped and certain way because it was a BETA character!

Plus it doesn't really make narrative sense for the game to start with a level 8 character that has already been to the moon!

[XBLSkull]

Took like 3 hours to reach level 8, are people really disappointed that that won't transfer over? Laughable...

[Gozer]

@XBLSkull

Agreed, I really hope the leveling was accelerated in the beta. 4 story missions, and the Strike mission, and you were already at level 6. Add an hour or so in the explore mission, and you could hit level 8. That's almost halfway to the level cap on the first planet in the game. That's pretty weak for an rpg. I'll be let down if I hit the level cap in two days.

[devwan]

@Gozer I remember talk that levelling was accelerated in the Alpha and it felt no different in the Beta to me.

The thing is, reaching level 20 is far from the pinnacle of where you take your character, it's merely the first step.

Once you reach 20 it's all about the gear you can loot to modify that character with light and XP earned goes towards earning motes of light, which can also be used as currency for the really juicy stuff from the Speaker or whoever.

The game only really begins at level 20.

[kazuma999]

Keep playing at 20 and u can get more levels....Ign got a lvl 29 titan and so on lmao, ppl needs to look at more info on this sheet......

[Gozer]

@devwan

I hope that you are right about the leveling being sped up. Im aware of the ability unlocks, legendary, and light loot. It just doesn't make sense to me as to why Bungie would make the level cap attainable in such a short amount of time. I mean, why even have leveling in the game at all if its just there to keep you from getting certain items for a few hours?

[SilentNegotiator]

All of this Destiny FUD is getting annoying.

[FamilyGuy]

The Beta was so finalized that it gave the impression of a complete game so I can't fault people too much. On top of that was Bungie themselves saying "maybe" when they were asked about it.

People can try to argue that a game like FF14 ARR allowed you to keep your final stage beta character but one huge thing about that game was the fact that it was releasing onto the already released PC servers were high level characters already existed. For Destiny this will be the first release on any platform so it just makes more sense that everyone starts at an even playing field.

Other reasons why include the tweaks they're making that could effect drop rates, level progression speed and more. You gain more abilities as you level up and can bring your character into The Crucible (PvP arena). It wouldn't be fair to other players if you came in with advantageous abilities that would take them (who didn't play the beta) a longer time to unlock.

As far as the title goes, personally I'm not disappointed. I didn't expect to keep my character at all, I think the equipment that was found and saved in our vaults is the bigger loss.

[GW212]

Finalized my ass. That's a ridiculous statement.

[FamilyGuy]

How so?
Did the Beta feel broken to you?

It was pretty well done in my opinion, they just need to tweak how over powered some moves are in the crucible as well as that big inceptor(?) ship on the moon level that was like having a rocket launcher with endless ammo.

I was just giving reason to why some might have believed we would actually keep those characters but I really would like to know how my statement is "ridiculous".

[DanteVFenris666]

@familyguy he means the lack of content and longetivity. I'm not new to mmo betas. This is nothing compared to some I've played. But this was a beta so it was seriously lacking in content not just balance

[FamilyGuy]

But it's not an MMO

It's like you have to replace "Massive" with some other word to describe Destiny. The number of players in a single area of a map is maxxed at 9 or so. The world isn't as huge as the worlds of MMOs either. I don't think it really makes sense to have expected its Beta to have as much content as MMO Betas when it isn't an MMO to begin with.

It's just online only, open world, with random or co-operative player drop ins. The people in the world with you disappear the second you step in to a different area unless they're on your fireteam. If me and some random guy both walk out of a city in a mmo we both show up outside that city, you can't follow random people around Destiny like that.

I don't think he was referring to the content provided. No one expected to play the full game in the beta.

[TimeSkipLuffy]

FFIV is a MMORPG game. Destiny is far away from a MMORPG. Therefore that argument can't be really used. That said, I agree with characters not being transferred over. Doesn't make sense really. Everyone should start from scratch.

[Utalkin2me]

@TimeSkipLuffy

To be fair he did not say that Destiny was a "MMORPG", he said MMO. And there is a difference between the 2. Saying that, Destiny is neither a MMO or MMORPG. It has RPG elements but that is about the extent of it.

[Baka-akaB]

FF14 only gave early access . The last phase , open beta was basically just a few days before launch ... so it didnt matter .

People also dont realise you need others to advance through hoops in the story . So Square had no qualm letting them go crazy a few days before , most would get stuck and have to wait for more players

[Jughead3416]

Agreed. How can your character carry over if you start from the beginning again? Do you buy a game hoping to start where you left off in a beta/demo? That's like starting at level 8 from the beginning of the game. This was supposed to just be a taste of what's to come, not actually starting the main game. Has anyone ever heard of beta progress carrying over? I haven't. I think the intelligent people realized this all along.

[Tetsujin]

Some games do carry over progress (not many); the fact Bungie actually gave it some thought is a sign they wanted to however couldn't. I've played in different betas (console and PC) and depending on the situation some progress did carry over and some didn't. It's not based on "the intelligent" it's based on what the company thought was fair.

It doesn't change my opinion about the game, and no I'm not going to raise pitchforks and demand something unrealistic; it does upset me that some of what I did obtain in the beta doesn't carry over. I do hope at least what I did obtain does exist in the game.

[rayzorn]

i have been in at least 10 beta and early access games and not one of them kept the save file for when the game was released.

you always had to start over.

hell some of the rpgs you could get around 20 hours into and when the game came out you lost your save.

[Iamnemesis4880]

Did not expect it would happen would have been nice but cant wait to fire that game up any way.

[Cra2yey3]

Assault rifles now do 1 point less damage from the beta... So disappointing.
Any little thing and people complain about it. People are soft.

[scark92]

That is why I stopped playing at level 6, thinking it would be a hassle to replay my progress.

[Kidmyst]

The only BETA I can think of where my progress was EVER saved was Playstation Home, which never really left the BETA stage anyways. But I knew this going in so I didn't put much care in my character. Some people!

[Whirlwind_Fanfare_08]

Glad to hear that because i was thinking that i can carry my character over to the full version of it.

[Tetsujin]

At least now I know so I can move on; would have been nice to at least start with the Iron Banner cape I won and that Legendary Hand Cannon I obtained in a match.

At least now when you make a character it carries over to the later games.

[Gr1mmyshadows]

Man I was just hoping to keep my rank 5 with the cryptarch.

[fonduktoe]

Leveling was accelerated for the beta so of course it wouldn't carry over

[chaosx]

NNNNOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!I had such cool stuff!!!

[Randostar]

People really thought BETA progression was going to be transferred to the full game?

[HacSawJimThugin]

I don't mind at all. Thanks to the Beta I have an idea of how I want to build my Warlock, but then again we only got to level 8. At any rate I can't wait to play this game.

[GhettoBlasStarr]

I really wasn't expecting my character to carry over but I was hoping my stuff in the vault would.
But it really doesn't matter because I'm going to play the hell outta this game.

[MysticStrummer]

Humans are amazing. Of course the characters wouldn't carry over. Unbelievable.

[SonyPS4]

The point of a BETA is to test a game and collect reports, statistics, and opinions...not simply playing it for personal enjoyment. Because of this, you should've expected that anything you invest in the game won't carry over to the final release version.

[LogicStomper]

"The point of a BETA is to test a game and collect reports, statistics, and opinions...not simply playing it for personal enjoyment."

Depends on who's perspective you're viewing the situation from.

Think about it this way. Say you're a member of Bungie. You want your game tested. You could easily get all the Bungie employees to test the game for a night and acquire information. But what is the flaw of this method of testing? Well, you (being a part of Bungie) know how you WANT (not shouting at you, just emphasis) the game to be played. But if you only played the game how you see it being played, you wouldn't be able to find glitches as easily because you're limiting your play-style. So how do you solve this flaw in testing? You have a open/closed beta with testers outside of Bungie. This method will bring in many unique play-styles from people who've never experienced the game before and so Bungie will get better data/information on the game.

So ideally, Bungie wants you to play the game how YOU want so that their game gets a very thorough test. Some people enjoy camping, some people enjoy running around aimlessly, some people enjoy hunting for glitches. This variation in play-style is what makes betas a solid testing method. To bring the point back, Bungie wants us to play how we want and enjoy ourselves so that THEY can collect the information. So for us as the consumers, the point of the beta is to enjoy ourselves for Bungie's and our future benefit.

[Pennywise138]

I'm OK with that. I just played it to get a feel for the game and see if I wanted to purchase it which I do. Now I know what to expect and can really sink my teeth into it and my character which I didn't do with the beta.

[Sevir]

Not a problem. 37 days till launch. I'll be on this game forging my adventure

[FAT MAN GO BOOM]

How is this disappointing I mean in a matter of hours you will be back where you were.

specially in the story lines.

I don;t know i think people are weird that think this is a BAD thing

[JeffGUNZ]

Story line, yes, but wasn't the leveling in the beta and alpha sped up? Either way, you have to start from scratch. In this type of game, it just doesn't make sense to carry over.

[TitanUp]

Had a beta code didn't use it because I didn't want spoiled.

[PFFT]

I just hope we can skip the godawful explanations every time we head out on missions.

[SliceOfTruth888]

What dope didn't know this?

[JDM72092]

Destiny as a whole is disappointing.

[SharnOfTheDEAD]

great, can kiss all that loot goodbye

[Bluebird8]

The lvl 8 gear you collected will beuseless at lvl 20 anyway...

[SharnOfTheDEAD]

buh buh I had a blue super rare gun :( Ah well guess it'll be another few hours grinding and trying my luck with that guy who sells you random stuff back at the Tower

[Sheikah]

They never stated that progress would carry over.. How can one be dissapointed in someone not fulfilling an non-expectation?

[LogicStomper]

An expectation is not necessary for disappointment. Hope itself is sufficient for disappointment.

When you play paper-scissors-rock with someone, you do not expect to win because you cannot determine the outcome. There is only hope that you win through chance. If you win, good on you, you've won. If you lose though, you could feel a sense of disappointment that you didn't beat your mate in the game.

So the logic of the story is, expectations are not necessary for disappointment. One could hope they get to keep their characters from the beta, but could be let down because their hopes didn't materialise.

[Sheikah]

You live up to your name, sir. Thank you ;).

[wannabe gamer]

i bet ppl just crowd around you at parties.

[Torgul]

FairPlay is a good thing, in this case it is.
I don t see the point to keep our beta level.
I want to start from scratch with a little advantage, I know what I am looking for, what the gameplay is.
Can t wait!

[Manubiggs]

I understand why publishers would want closed Betas. evidently it is unclear to many what the purpose of a beta is.

[lawlesdweller]

If people who have played a various amount of Betas/Alphas already know and understand that there is no way that would happen.

Also thats why i personally didnt hammer it as it would still leave some surprises.

[JeffGUNZ]

Exactly man. I put in a good amount of hours, but didn't over do it. I knew it wasn't going to carry over and didn't want to grind my character to something it will never amount to. I got a feel for the game, the leveling, the gear, weapons, etc. I am now ready for launch to grind away!

[Baka-akaB]

I feel the people complaining are too used to a (worrying) BS betas o console, where it's a glorified demo , with little feedback adjustments and changed actually planned for the launch period

[Revengeance]

This really isn't surprising. It was only to collect data and tweak the game before final release. This is why I built one character and waste my time building 3.

[wannabe gamer]

why does this even have to be pointed out.....this is pretty much standard practice for betas and what not. there are rare exceptions to it but like i said rare.

[DJ]

Stop. Whining.

[CrowbaitBob]

The news is that Bungie has made significant enough improvements to Destiny that beta characters simply wouldn't function in the final game.

Significant improvements. Where is the disappointment?

Whatever people may have thought about their characters and gear in the beta, all of that will equate to worthless trash in the final release. It is known.

[xx4xx]

More clickbait. Is this really a big deal?

Buy the retail game and you can keep your character forever!!!

I wish everyone would stop b*tchin' about such trivial things and pass them off as news.