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Naughty Dog Working Hard to Push The Last of Us on PS4 Past 60 FPS and to Solve Performance Bugs

It's little over a month away from the release of The Last of Us Remastered on PS4, and the team currently hard at work to improve performance and squash the last performance bugs affecting the game.

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XiSasukeUchiha3604d ago (Edited 3604d ago )

Past 60fps now, 120fps OMG!

So they confirmed locking onto 60 frames, and pushing past 60fps like 90fps or something.

Randostar3604d ago

Just a locked frame rate of 60 fps, thats the point of pushing it past 60.

Abriael3604d ago (Edited 3604d ago )

What he said. To keep a game locked at 60, you need to be constantly *above* 60. If you just touch 60, it'll bit below it when there's a lot going on on screen.

windblowsagain3604d ago

If you can run 60fps synched, it's sweet.

And seriously i would have to see Uncharted 4 @ 60fps, but i would be more then happy with 30fps as with previous games.

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UltimateMaster3604d ago (Edited 3604d ago )

A locked 60fps would be nice.

starchild3604d ago (Edited 3604d ago )

Yep, in order to maintain a steady 60fps the actual framerate has to average much higher. This is because rendering loads are never the same from moment to moment and the framerate will always fluctuate up and down.

*Edit: Nevermind, I didn't read the other responses. It looks like other people already covered it.

Ju3603d ago (Edited 3603d ago )

Hm...not really. The minimum frame time needs to be beyond 16.6ms (or 33.3 for 30fps). It doesn't really matter if the fastest frame can be 10ms or below. A bell curve is reality, but useless in this context. Locked means locked. Means, the 'refresh rate' is always 16.6ms - but from a 'load balancing' standpoint, basically what that means is, you shift resources where you have them somewhere where you need them to achieve those 16.6. It's quite 'tough' to borrow 4ms from a 10ms frame to get those back on the next which runs at 20ms. So, to make this short, to make the slowest frame 16ms, you got to target much higher to fulfill the worst case scenario (and in that reality, your bell curve is quite accurate), but the average is pretty useless.

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UltimateMaster3604d ago (Edited 3604d ago )

120fps would be nice IF THERE WAS A TV CAPABLE OF HANDLING IT.

Sy_Wolf3604d ago

There are lots of TVs capable of handling 120 Hz actually.

thekhurg3604d ago

I guess your TV is like 10 years old?

UltimateMaster3604d ago

Refresh Rate =/= Frame Rate.
Granted, the higher the frame rate your console/pc outputs, the better it is to have the most refresh rate, it shows more smoothness of gameplay and video.

A higher refresh rate is good for gaming to make the gameplay look smoother, if the game gives the TV consistent frame rate. I.E; if your console is outputting 30fps, then lower refresh rate will make it look not as bad and you'll barely see a difference between 60fps and 30fps.
Meaning, 60fps don't look that good on lower refresh rate and there's hardly a noticeable difference.

If you have an old TV with very low refresh rate "120hz or lower" and are playing it in 60fps; you're doing it wrong. Upgrade your TV.

Pillsbury13604d ago

My vizio that I bought 5 years ago is 120Hz.

slivery3604d ago (Edited 3604d ago )

Was this supposed to be sarcastic? I guess a lot of people have no idea what the frequency on their TV does.

60hz - TV will display a max framrate of 60fps

120hz - TV will display a max framrate of 120fps

240hz - TV will display a max framrate of 240fps

The higher the frequency you have on a TV, the more frames it can support. I don't know how anyone who hasn't used a computer for the last 20 years doesn't know this, computer monitors work just the same except you can usually adjust the frequency manually.

I remember I had this old ass Diamond NEC CRT monitor that had HD long before HD TV's ever existed or HD gaming consoles.

The highest resolution it had was 2048 x 1536 and it could run at 120hz. That monitor was sick for its time, so old but most TV's are finally catching up to that.

You can buy 120hz HDTV fairly cheap these days, you may even find a 240hz for a decent price albeit it probably will be some generic brand.

@UltimateMaster

"If you have an old TV with very low refresh rate "120hz or lower" and are playing it in 60fps; you're doing it wrong. Upgrade your TV."

What? That makes no sense, if the game you are playing is only outputting 60fps, there wouldn't be a need to have a TV with higher than 60Hz unless you have something that actually outputs more than 60 frames, then it would be wise to take advantage of that by buying a TV that can support a higher frequency refresh rate than just 60hz.

Jamaicangmr3604d ago

My TV is 240hz soooo...... Yeah what they said.

esemce3604d ago

There are no TVs that are true 120HZ for that you would need a 120/144Hz PC monitor.

Anyway no game on the PS4/XB1 will be 120Hz/FPS the best we can ever hope for is a locked 60fps and I applaud ND for pushing for a locked 60fps.

I've sold my copy of TLoU ready for the remaster, can't wait.

wsoutlaw873604d ago

the tvs are "true" 120hz but because of the frame rates of tv it doesnt actually show 120 picture frames. Different tvs use different techniques but a lot show black frames in between or some guess what the frames in between would look like which gives that weird effect people complain about. Im not sure how they would handle a real 120hz video input since tvs and videos are 24-60. Im sure it could be tested with a pc though.

OpenGL3604d ago

You're obviously getting a bunch of disagrees because no one even understands how current 120Hz and 240Hz TVs work.

They only accept a refresh rate of 60Hz or 24Hz via HDMI and then use the internal processor to generate extra frames via a process known as motion interpolation. These added interpolated frames make the image appear to be more smooth, but the actual content the TV is receiving is not in 120Hz or 240Hz.

When watching a Blu-ray in 24Hz mode it will usually display each frame 5 or 10x in succession (120Hz and 240Hz).

If you don't believe me, try hooking up a new PC with HDMI to your 120Hz or 240Hz LED TV and attempt to enable 120Hz, you can't. I own 120Hz and 240Hz LED TVs from different manufacturers, one of which supports 3D and neither will accept a refresh rate of more than 60Hz.

They display 3D images using a method known as frame packing where the TV is essentially accepting a large frame buffer that is two 720p or 1080p frames in a vertical arrangement, and then the TV decides that the top image is the left eye, and the bottom the right.

frostypants3603d ago (Edited 3603d ago )

@Sy_Wolf, @CryofSilence: A lot of so-called "120Hz" and "240Hz" TVs aren't actually what they claim. http://www.cnet.com/news/fa...

"240Hz" claims in particular are generally a bunch of BS.

randomass1713603d ago

120 Hz TVs do exist, they just tend to be more expensive. Mine is a buggery 60 Hz 720p screen. :/

AKS3603d ago

@OpenGL

I was beginning to wonder how long this thread would go before someone would bring up the misleading labeling of "120Hz" and "240Hz" TVs and how they actually work.

"They only accept a refresh rate of 60Hz or 24Hz via HDMI and then use the internal processor to generate extra frames via a process known as motion interpolation. These added interpolated frames make the image appear to be more smooth, but the actual content the TV is receiving is not in 120Hz or 240Hz."

The effect just doesn't agree with me. Something about the way it moves always seems a bit off to me. I'm much happier with my primitive 60Hz Panasonic plasma. And the incredible picture quality, deep blacks, and other advantages. LOL.

I'm hoping my TV lasts until we get affordable OLEDs, although who knows when that could be. We don't even have affordable genuine LEDs (rather, we have LED-backlit LCDs; more mislabeling) yet.

memots3603d ago

omg ... is there really people thinking that 120mhz = 120fps ... sheesh

2 completely different things people.
My computer monitor is 1920x1080 at 60 refresh rate resolution and you can still get 120 fps steady on most many games.

wsoutlaw873603d ago

@Aks ya thats called the soap opera effect and pretty much everyone hates it. the better refresh rates werent really added to show more fps but to eliminate the blur caused by the lcd pixles being slow.

@memotes Its 120hz not mhz because that would be insanely fast. And of coarse the game can run at whatever it wants but your monitor is only showing 60 individual frames each second. HZ means per second. Yes refresh rates are different than frame rates but only because lcds dont flicker frames but its the same thing.

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ITPython3604d ago (Edited 3604d ago )

Hate to break it to you folks, but the HDMI version the PS4 uses is incapable of going over 60hz (60fps). In fact if it does go over 60fps, any frames that are above that are completely lost and you get what is called judder, which has the same appearance of a very very low frame-rate.

In fact Killzone:SF had this issue in a few parts of the game which it went above 60fps and it felt like the frames came to a crawl.

And apparently it happened in COD Ghosts as well

See here: http://www.videogamer.com/p...

So while a locked 60fps would look nice, if they are aiming to go above 60fps, then there is going to be a lot of problems with judder and I doubt they would allow that.

hugogs3604d ago (Edited 3604d ago )

I think they're goal isn't to make it run at 90 or 100 fps, the game will be caped at 60 but aiming for a frame rate above that assures that it won't have any drops

raWfodog3604d ago

As some have already suggested, maybe their reason for pushing performance past 60fps is so they can lock the game in at a steady 60fps so that there will be no slow down regardless of what is happening on-screen.

ITPython3604d ago

Oh I got it, in development if it always runs above 60fps, then when they lock it @60fps for the final game it will theoretically never drop below it.

I understand now :-)

SamPao3603d ago

can you please show me where that is clarified? because I can't find anything about that the PS4 HDMI can only output 60 fps
thanks

jnemesh3603d ago

@Ultr Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Scroll down to where it breaks down the different versions of HDMI and you will see frame rate capability.

In short, only 60fps is supported, except with HDMI 1.4b which allows for a 3D mode of 120fps with 60fps for each eye.

Bottom line is that ALL TVs ONLY SUPPORT 60fps for an INPUT. The "120hz" and "240hz" TVs will still only accept a 60hz (60fps) signal, then they will either repeat each frame twice (120hz) or four times (240hz) or try to interpolate the "missing" information (which is your "Mexican Soap Opera" mode...also called "Natural Motion" or "Smooth Motion").

The main reason for these modes is to compensate for LCD panels (and LED backlit LCD panels, marketed in the US as just "LED") latency. Typically, it takes up to 15ms for an LCD pixel to return to it's "rest" position after it's engaged. This latency causes a blurring of the image, especially with fast motion. By increasing the number of times the image is refreshed, they can minimize the blurring.

It should be noted that PLASMA TVs are never rated at 120hz or 240hz...why? Because plasma cells don't suffer from the same latency issues as LCD pixels! Hope this helps!

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otherZinc3604d ago

LMAO!

How?

The PS4 has ZERO next generation games running at 60fps!
If so, link me please!

HeWhoWalks3604d ago (Edited 3604d ago )

Yes, because NBA 2K14, Outlast, and Warframe don't count as next (current, actually) gen games, right?

Persian_Immortal3604d ago (Edited 3604d ago )

Metal Gear Solid V: GRound Zeroes
Metal Gear Solid V: Phantom Pain
NBA 2K14
Outlast
Warframe
Blacklight Retribution
Tomb Raider Definitive Editon
Wolfenstein The New Order
Plants Vs Zombies: Garden Warfare
Call Of Duty Ghost
Diablo 3: Ultimate Evil Edition

There is alot more but those are the ones of the top of my head.

thereapersson3604d ago (Edited 3604d ago )

Damn, I haven't seen this otherZinc troll in a while. Classic N4G troll behavior.

Ratty3603d ago

I think he meant games that are only on PS4. All the games you listed also came out on last gen consoles if I'm not wrong.

Spotie3603d ago

@Wizard: You are wrong. Many of those games come from PC, but they're not all available in last gen. Besides, if they WERE on last gen, that makes the game more likely to be hampered by being cross gen.

memots3603d ago (Edited 3603d ago )

And yet when we read your comments history, you praise everything on xbo ...

Hows that next gen going ?

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showtimefolks3604d ago

its not easy being a game developer especially when it comes time for crunch time. But atleast many studios are treated with hot meals instead of just Pizzas when working overnight

most of sony's studios have their own chefs so when a studio is down to crunch time, the last thing they have to worry about is hot meal

zeroskie3604d ago

just a regular gamer boner here.

Th3o3603d ago

Ideally a game needs to be synced at 1 frame below the refresh rate of a monitor.

So technically the way to do this is locked 59 FPS.

That's on a monitor with 60 hz.

Give_me_head_strong3603d ago

I remember when Sony said Watch Dogs would be 1080p 60fps on PS4. Look at how that turned out... I remain skeptical about developer's claims too, even Guerilla lied about Shadowfall's res being 1080p in MP. Crytek stated Ryse would be 1080p and a locked 30fps before XB1's launch, and that ended up 900p and regularly dipping into the low 20's. I'm just not buying it anymore..

Th3o3603d ago

This is an inhouse engine, with an inhouse developer...30 fps was attainable at 720p on a 10 year old console, I'ms ure 1080p 60 fps for a remake is possible.

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Ripsta7th3604d ago

Is this game that demanding??? I played it on ps3 and the graphics were amazing but it wasn't really long or the areas weren't wide open. Why do you guys think this game is giving Naughty Dog some hassle to get it at 60fps?

Eonjay3604d ago

Actually there are areas with huge vistas. I think they may be working to improve the texture quality overall. I

Ripsta7th3604d ago (Edited 3604d ago )

But the vistas were mostly during cut scenes , Ima have to guess and say they want the MP running at 60fps. That's were it really gets crowded
@Abrail- yeah true was forgetting it was 720p on ps3 with how amazing it looked

Abriael3604d ago (Edited 3604d ago )

You gotta keep in mind that TLOU ran originally at 720p, 30 fps.

This means that they have to render twice as many pixels, twice as fast. That's not exactly child's play.

And that doesn't even count all the improvements with textures, lighting and more, which also costs hardware resources.

Riderz13373604d ago

Not to mention it was made using the Cell architecture on the PS3...So I doubt it's easy to port it over to an X86 architecture on the PS4.

pornflakes3604d ago

twice pixel and twice framerate shouldnt be a problem for 6x power compared to the PS3.

PS4 Fanboys care so much about Xone's resolution and FPS for next gen titels so this game should be 2160p and 60 FPS since the PS4 is the strongest peasce of hardware on earth /s

mkis0073604d ago

@pornflakes...if you gave them a normal dev team and cycle then sure...this is a small group doing the porting in a little over one year. Uncharted has been In development since uncharted 3 came out...

Outstanding considering the porting required for naughty dogs highly optimized for ps3 version of tlou

Fireseed3604d ago

Yeah but keep in mind the gap between the PS3 and the PS4 is more like the difference between a GeForce GTX 580 and a GeForce GTX 780. It's a huge gap... but not enough to be play highly demanding PS3 games at 1080/60 easily. It's gonna take some finangingly to make sure Last of Us is locked at 60 if played at 1080p

TKCMuzzer3604d ago (Edited 3604d ago )

@Fireseed
Naughty Dog explained, it's not to do with power, it's all to do with how the original engine was built for the PS3, the way it was optimized means it's not just a straight port. Game engines are built around the hardware, like Uncharted a next gen Last Of Us will only truly look next gen when they have the chance to optimize from the start.

Your comment holds no weight when you look at the first Uncharted 4 footage using the game engine which is apparently 60FPS, there is a big gap in quality between that and the Last Of Us on PS3, so a 1080p 60fps would easily be achievable, if they had had the time to rewrite the engine code.

Qrphe3604d ago

"What fans think about software decelopment"

If only

TomRL3604d ago

It's not that the PS4 is weaksauce, it's just the PS3 architecture was so different from just about any pc out there. It's almost impossible to port stuff to and from it with good performance.

TKCMuzzer3604d ago (Edited 3604d ago )

Your right, the reason your right is because Naughty Dog have already said it's do with the game being specificity built for PS3 architecture but there seems to be a lot of top devs (people who think they know better)on here who know something Naughty Dog don't.

randomass1713603d ago

Not a difficult concept to grasp at all. I really don't see how anyone could make this out to be a power issue.

TKCMuzzer3604d ago

Because it wasn't' built from the ground up for PS4. Their just porting the game over which means they have to try and get an engine built up for the PS3 running on the PS4. Unlike Uncharted 4 in which they adapted the engine from the start.
There was a video in which they explained it's not simple just to port across due to the different architecture types, the only way to make it look true next gen would be to start from the ground up.

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I_AM_ CANADIAN_19893604d ago

Adding lots of AA and more graphic features might be a lot cooler than more FPS
, don't remember having a problem with 30 FPS on the ps3 version but I did remember the lack of AA and some graphic features that bugged me a bit ( pc gamer as well as console ) either way should be good game tho, hope the big fixing goes smoothly.

Riderz13373604d ago

I have to disagree...I'd rather have 60 FPS for a shooter. It just feels so right.

I_am_Batman3604d ago

I'd definately take a clearer image quality (resolution, framerate, textures, lighting,..) over 60fps especially for a fairly slow paced game like The Last of Us. I'd actually appreciate a 30fps option even though that's very unlikely.

I_AM_ CANADIAN_19893604d ago

Yeah I'm an AA nazi reason why I only touched my ps3 version of gta 5 once and decided to wait for the pc version. My motto is Death to jaggies and lightning bolt power lines.

Randostar3604d ago

TLOU had Post Processing AA actually.

extermin8or3604d ago

yeah but not much.. anyone could see the jaggies, they were bad enough to pokr your eye out in places :p

randomass1713603d ago

Yeah, there were some "jaggies" in the PS3 version. None of the footage I've seen of Remastered seem to have them though, so it's all good.

DialgaMarine3604d ago

The Last of Us could very well be running up to 90/ 120 FPS, and meanwhile the XBone can't even run a poorly done Tomb Raider port at a steady 30 FPS XD

Sevir3604d ago

That game wasn't poorly done. That game was awesome. Especially on PS4.

mhunterjr3604d ago (Edited 3604d ago )

Well, if the port was 'poorly done' why wouldn't you expect poor performance?

LamerTamer3604d ago

The Xbone TR port wasn't poorly done, the hardware design of the Bone itself was.

Dynasty20213604d ago

@Sevir

Such bollocks. The only reason it's good on the PS4 is because they added more textures, only to the console version, that make you think it looks better than the PC version.

Cut the crap. Tomb Raider didn't sell well, and was universally accepted as being "okay".

Suddenly it comes out on next-gen, with some new textures, and it's "amazing"?

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Naughty Dog Head of Technology Leaves After 17 Years at PlayStation's Studio

Naughty Dog Head of Technology Christian Gyrling has left the studio after 17 years, only 4 months after stepping into the role.

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GoodGuy09169d ago

Boy oh boy what indeed is happening with PS Studios. Thank God for Insomniac.

Obscure_Observer169d ago

Boy oh boy what indeed is happening with PS Studios."

Mismanagement, obviously.

Hermen Hulst is ol Jimbo´s sleeping agent ruining everything at Playstation Studios. Now that Connie is gone, he´ll probably get his mistress Angie Smets promoted yet again to fill Connie´s position.

Amid so many layoffs and uncertainty, the working environment at Playstation Studio could have become unbearable for him to continue on. Then, after just 4 months ahead of his new role, he didn´t felt motivated enough to continue on.

Anyway, another major loss at Playstation Studios. Totoki must find Ryan´s replacement ASAP!

darthv72169d ago

Sometimes people just want to leave.

northpaws169d ago

@Obscure

Do you spend most of your day making up stories in your head to help you sleep better at night?

Lightning77169d ago

Can you tone it down for once? Way too much assuming and Hyperbole in your comment.

The shift to LS workforce will indeed have growing pains nobody said it would be easy transition.

Tacoboto168d ago

Bobby Kotick will be available as a replacement to turn those GaaS around

Rimeskeem168d ago (Edited 168d ago )

You should change your name to Chris Van Dusen cause you just create unrealistic drama.

Just so you know, Microsoft laid off more than 10000 employees this year which, according to you, must mean they are just falling apart and having lots of mismanagement. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/0...

I don't now why I even bother showing you this, no chance you are actually going to change your belief system even if there is hard evidence against it.

Mr_cheese168d ago

Clicked this article thinking "I wonder how close to the top of the comments obscurer is"

There he is. In good form as always.

Crows90168d ago

Dude stop spouting nonsense.

Naughty dog has been in trouble since Neil druckman took over. They were always able to deliver with something pretty consistently...Neil isn't talented ...so obviously people will continue to abandon ship. They probably don't like the progressive direction either.

Charlieboy333168d ago

@North Obscure is blessed with an amazing gift. He is able to fabricate amazing scenarios and can literally trick his brain into believing they are the actual real truth

benobee168d ago

Dude you sound like a complete nut case calm down and stop acting like you care what goes on at PlayStation other than to try and make your doom and gloom comments.

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ocelot07168d ago

Ah I knew it. Before I even finished the headline my first thought was. No doubt obscure is one of the first comments spouting bs he pulled out of Phills backside again.

It's not healthy obsessively thinking about Sony and Phill 24/7.

benobee168d ago

This shit is all he ever does and the mods do nothing about it.

shadowT169d ago

So many great Naughty Dog games he was involved!

maniacmayhem169d ago

A lot of folks sure are leaving Sony as of late.

Obscure_Observer169d ago

"A lot of folks sure are leaving Sony as of late."

Yeah... It seems that rumor about devs from first party studios getting unhappy with Playstation´s current GaaS focus is accurate.

Redemption-64169d ago

Your made-up world is so depressing

Christopher169d ago

I know, right? Time to move on to Microsoft's GaaS studios now. Or maybe WB? Or EA? Or Epic? The options are limitless.

Lightning77169d ago

In this case he's actually accurate about the rumor.

https://www.xfire.com/first...

I also read that there's "Civil War" going on at Sony with Connie Booths departure due to gaas focus. The shift to LS isn't sitting well with Sony's Studios.

Of course it's a rumor we'll never actually know of course.

InUrFoxHole169d ago

Yeah. Looks like it's sonys turn to suck for a bit. Every company goes through it.

Charlieboy333168d ago

@Lightning Just a simple question....if Connie Booth left because of the GAAS focus, why did Sony then go and cut down on their plans after she left. She's not in the picture anymore so why cut back....if she was the one standing in the way?

They must obviously agree with her views then that they were pushing GAAS a bit too much....not so? As it stands it seems they like they are first going to test the waters instead of jumping in the deep end like they were planning

benobee168d ago (Edited 168d ago )

It seems you're full of shit as usual.

Lightning77168d ago

@Charlie they're not cutting back on their plans nor are they changing course they're delaying the other 6 LS games because they weren't meeting internal expectations.

The first half will release up until March 2026 while the other half are TBD.

Christopher166d ago (Edited 166d ago )

***In this case he's actually accurate about the rumor. ***

I read that whole article and it said nothing other than that developers aren't happy but zero quotes or the like at all. It's mostly just historical references on GaaS plans and the like. Almost like they're creating that news themself and not reporting it.

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Agent75168d ago

They do knock out a lot of the same old these days. Maybe not Microsoft as they rarely release anything.

OptimusDK167d ago

So please count for me what Sony first party released this year you know while we are at it.

ooquis169d ago

Now just fire Niel Cuckman, get Bruce Straley back, and make the real The Last Of Us 2.

Killa78169d ago

The real Last of Us 2 was released to critical acclaim and was very successful.

ooquis169d ago

On a serious note, how many times have you replayed the "critically acclaimed" success? Don't get me wrong, graphics 10/10, gameplay 10/10, music 10/10, story 0/10. I could not get myself to play this "critically acclaimed" game a second time, it's utter torture.....that's got to mean something.

andy85169d ago (Edited 169d ago )

It's a story game, why would I replay it once I've played the story when I can move on to something else. You didn't like the story, I thought it was fantastic.

ooquis169d ago

@andy82 The Last Of Us 1 is my favorite game of all time, I've replayed that game at least 8 times over 3 generations. The fact you can't even get yourself to reply part 2 again a second time proves my point, the story is utter garbage. Waisted all that time and talent at Naughty Dog.

outsider1624168d ago

I played 3 times, thanks for asking. Even platinumed the game. Once Part1 is on sale ill play that and then replay part 2 again.
Just because you couldn't get into it doesn't mean others arent. Also this is a story driven game. Not open world with side quests you know. But still replayabilty is there in the form of select encounters.

ooquis168d ago

Wait, so you've never played The Last Of Us 1?

outsider1624168d ago

"Wait, so you've never played The Last Of Us 1?"
I played 1 on ps3 like 4 times. Platinumed it and the multiplayer.

I was talking about the new Remake "Tlou part 1"

ooquis154d ago

Yo, Go watch this video, then you'll understand where I'm coming from. https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Cacabunga168d ago

“ I could not get myself to play this "critically acclaimed" game a second time, it's utter torture.....that's got to mean something.”

Same here, during more than 15 I’ve been waiting for something to finally happen.. it’s just “it’s blocked, let’s find another way” and then how to pass the monsters.. there was zero engagement to me so I gave up with this game way before the end.
Druckmam is just an arrogant guy.. he should def leave next and bring back the good old days.

ND aren’t what they used to be.

anast168d ago (Edited 168d ago )

This comment has closet ALT right shill all over it.

Crows90168d ago

And this one has closet ALT left all over it. You know it when someone is critical of something and an individual begins to accuse them of stuff out of their delusional head.

anast168d ago

"And this one has closet ALT left all over it. You know it when someone is critical of something and an individual begins to accuse them of stuff out of their delusional head."

I think leftists are naive idealist, but they do not sympathize with inbreeding and are not against some form of mutualism, so at least on the biological side of things the left is correct.

If you deem the term "cuck" to be more than emotive posturing, then you have more necessities than you think.

ooquis154d ago

Yolo Go watch this video, then you'll understand where I'm coming from. https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Crows90168d ago

Don't even bother. You're spot on that everything but the story was well done....and this is where Neil druckman had the most influence .

Many will defend the studio because of how awesome they've been but don't realize that it's likely over because the instrumental people have left. This is a different naughty dog and their next game will show what they can do now. However, they do still have a lot of talented devs...don't think they'll ever be as great in the story department as they were before.

benobee168d ago

Cant wait to read your novel since you're such a master story teller and all.

recoctimocassirnff168d ago

So you mean to tell me you've gone through your entire life and literally never given positive or negative feedback for ANYTHING, unless you've conceptualised, designed, produced, created, cooked, etc, it yourself at least once?

An even more big brain take that Anast, up above. Well done sir/ma'am.

TheKingKratos168d ago

3 times and will do 4 once i start playing part 1 Remake

Enjoyed every minute of it.

It's an amazing game and one of the very best ever made and equal to part 1

CantThinkOfAUsername168d ago

I know this comes from a place of love for the first game, but you should just let it go, mate.

ooquis167d ago

You are right, I know I should, maybe one day. It's not like it's keeping me up at night, but when these kinds of articles pop up I realize I'm not over it.

Rainbowcookie163d ago

Make savage starlight and in the game you have to fix the timeline or not. This causes yhe whole naughtydog timeline to be in flux. Let gamers decide and do a reboot . 🙂

outsider1624154d ago

"Yo, Go watch this video, then you'll understand where I'm coming from. https://www.youtube.com/wat...

The fact that..thats "where you came from" is proof enough. You had to follow a youtube video to make your point. Sorry i played the game myself and can form my own understanding and opinion.

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The Last of Us Part 1 – Why The Ending is Still so Impactful

The Last of Us never dreams of insulting its audience’s intelligence. And the best example of this is, of course, is its ending.

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shinoff2183498d ago

Shit the beginning was to. I'm not sure how I would feel if I didn't have kids but having them it broke my heart to see.

ClayRules2012498d ago

Yes. The beginning and ending…how they break you, make you think , question things etc. so impactful.

And yeah, I have a son (he’ll be going to college here next year) and just feeling Joel’s pain, heartbreak, loss…it hits you differently when you have a kid (s) of your own.

PhillyDillyDee498d ago

I didnt have kids when i played it and the beginning had me sobbing. That story left an impact on me

Orchard498d ago

The story was a rollercoaster from start to finish. Probably my 1st or 2nd most favorite game on PS3 (the other being MGS4).

Aloymetal498d ago

I agree with you. MGS4 was truly special, I wasn't the biggest fan of the long cutscenes but I understand is part of Kojima. Great game nonetheless.

Snookies12498d ago

Best Metal Gear game, coming from a HUGE fan of the series. I bought a PS3 JUST for MGS4. And got the collector's edition too. Worth every bit of money.

Yes, the cutscenes can be very lengthy. But a lot of it was quite necessary to really tie things together. Previous games had some longer cutscenes as well. It's just that they were trying to wrap everything up with MGS4. So, it's understandable that they'd have to throw some info dumps into the game here and there.

Orchard498d ago

The cutscenes are long indeed, every Kojima game sets a new record there :P

But the game was awesome, the second they showed that first E3 demo, it was clear it was going to be something special.

I still remember being mind blown by the Octocamo. It was also the first third person shooter game where I felt like the controls and aiming etc all went smooth / fluid and weren't janky. Hard to explain in words, but it felt 'natural' to aim, move etc in it.

gangsta_red498d ago

I thought the game went on a little too long and it started to wear thin. It should have stopped at Winter. That would have been a great way to end that game with the sequel continuing from there (if necessary).

-Foxtrot498d ago

I loved it however the ambiguous ending was kind of ruined in the sequel

The first game had this conflicting grey area of Joel's actions, a decision to let you think it over and discuss it with people, however the sequel created a narrative that "OMG JOEL 100% DOOMED HUMANITY...HOW SELFISH" and making out Ellie wanted to die in the hospital even though 1) She didn't know she was going to die and 2) She was ready to see Joel once she got out of surgery so he could teach her how to play Guitar.

For me he did the right thing, I mean they pretty much attacked him when he was trying to save Ellie, they lied to him and said they were going to kill her without thinking any other decision out or asking Ellie herself and they pretty much were going to throw him out onto the street without any of his weapons/gear where he could have probably died. There was no guarantee a cure could be made with these guys, it was all "chance".

Crows90498d ago

Exactly. He made the first good decision and this time around the girl he took care of didn't die while escaping...which alluded to the beginning of the game. He was prepared this time.

-Foxtrot498d ago

Like I just don't know why the Fireflies (and now Jerry in Part II) didn't think about any other tests, it was literally "Yeah this bitch has gotta die". You're telling me they couldn't wait for more blood tests, think of new ways to approach it? The worlds been gone for decades, it's not going to collapse even more by waiting, the damage is done.

If they woke Ellie up and asked her but Joel also told her what they did and were going to do to him I don't think she'd really want to sacrifice her life for these guys compared how she suddenly reacts in the sequel.

Even the hospital setting in the original game was run down, dirty and literally the best they could do, that alone didn't inspire confidence they had the tools to distribute a cure let along make one. I know the sequel and remake kind of retcon it where it looked cleaner, brighter and newer but again I'm going off the original, the first time I played it. The Fireflies at the end of the day were not good people, they were still terrorists with their own ambitious goals in mind, I don't think they would have been fair handing out the cure if they did get it made

TricksterArrow498d ago (Edited 498d ago )

It's a work of fiction, and more than once Bruce and Neil stated that the cure was a given, it was a sure thing and they regret not making it more clearly. If the cure wasn't a thing, the ending wouldn't ne nearly as impactful as is.

Crows90498d ago

@trickster
Except tlou2 states that it isnt a given. The ending is still impactful.

Inverno498d ago

Think the reason why she was going to die was because the guy was a vet, not a doctor

-Foxtrot498d ago

Yet suddenly was the only person who could create a cure

"We deffo need to kill her"

"Wait...WHY"

"Trust me....I'm a vet"

TricksterArrow497d ago (Edited 497d ago )

Jerry was a doctor. A lead doctor. His bio makes it clear that he attended Northern Utah Medical University. He just happened to like animals. I wonder if people really pay attention to the games they play anymore (if they played, it’s a toss with TLOU2’s critics)…

Imalwaysright497d ago

TricksterArrow

You should play the PS3 version. Once you do, you'll realize that the ending was retconned because Jerry wasn't the surgeon that was going to kill Ellie.

TricksterArrow497d ago

I played all versions. He was not a vet in any of them.

Imalwaysright497d ago

He was not in the original version of the game but the "Jerry" that Joel killed in the original clearly wasn't someone that acted professionaly or inspired confidence because he was willing to work in a dirty operating room and was wearing boots.

TricksterArrow497d ago (Edited 497d ago )

Jerry was a minor unnamed role that got expanded on the sequel and also got recast, not unlike any TV series and games before this one (such as Resident Evil, in which Claire, Leon, Carlos and Chris all look considerably different from one iteration to the other). Also, still not a vet. And also unsure what argument you are trying to make by “dirty room” and “wearing boots”. He is still a doctor that has the ability to develop a cure, it doesn’t matter what he is wearing or what tools are at his disposal, the story is what it is.

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ChubbyBlade498d ago

That’s why I didn’t like part 2. It removed all the nuance

Inverno498d ago

I think when you realize he's a vet, Joel's decision feels a bit more justified for those who played both games. Just playing, since you're in Joel's shoes, you don't really question it. Then playing the second there's a justification that doesn't take away from Joel's decision but for the player should reinforce your understanding of it.

You said it in the second comment. "The Fireflies at the end of the day were not good people, they were still terrorists with their own ambitious goals in mind." That's why they just went along with killing her cause they didn't want to figure out some other way.

shinoff2183497d ago

Foxtrot

I think they just tried to show you how Joel's decision affected more then just Joel and ellie . Just showing different angles and a bigger picture. I think Joel did the right thing.

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dmonee498d ago

The story had me emotionally engaged. Gaming for 40 years it was the first time a game story messed with my emotions in the way movies do. As far as the game and gameplay? Not so much lol. It wasn’t bad in my opinion but the game itself was ok. It was the storyline that kept me going in TLOU 1 and TLOU 2.

ClayRules2012498d ago

“As far as the game and gameplay? Not so much lol. It wasn’t bad in my opinion but the game itself was ok.“

What exactly did the game do that qualifies it for just being ok? And same question for the gameplay?

dmonee497d ago

That’s a tough question because I could ramble on and on as to why. I’m speaking for myself because I usually pass on survival horror type games. So instead of getting into a debate as to why I found the gameplay to be ok. I originally commented on how the narrative had me emotionally sucked in. Especially the opening segment. So much that I purchased a game I would never have purchased if not for the story. It’s more kudos to the developer for getting people like me out of my comfort zone to play a game I wouldn’t usually play.

ClayRules2012498d ago

I know some people were upset with Joel lying to Ellie (friends of mine) that they felt it should’ve given the player an option to have Joel either

A. Lie to Ellie or B. Tell Ellie the truth. Type of situation, which just makes no sense. The game nor its story doesn’t given the player any control to have/make any choices that change the direction or outcome of ANY of these characters in this unforgiving and dark world.

I don’t blame Joel for doing what he did.

1. Ellie became the “Something” that he needed to keep fighting for, beyond just living day to day, simply being survivors.

2. Marlene gave orders to that no -name guard to kill Joel if he tried anything…you just done pissed him off all the more with those words. I wonder, if Joel had been killed and Marlene ever came across Tommy again (Joel’s brother) would she have the guts to tell him “Listen Tommy, we need to talk! About Joel…I couldn’t waste this gift. Tommy “What the hell you talking about, Marlene??” Marlene “I had Joel killed, if he” Tommy “YOU SON OF A BITCH!” Got carried away there lol. You get the idea tho. To my point, it wasn’t guaranteed that Ellie was the cure, and after all Joel did, went through, not even allowing Joel to see Ellie, just talk with her, that’s messed up.

3. Of course looking at the actions Joel took in the hospital and how that has major consequences in Part 2 for him, Ellie etc. it’s not like there wouldn’t have been a big threat later on at some point. This world is wicked, dark, unforgiving and everyone’s growing up, has their own WANTS. NEEDS. DESIRES. Solely for themselves, loved ones, or group. All while trying to survive.

Joel I think knew when he said “I Swear” that he’d done something much worse than when he actually saved Ellie from that operating room and possibly causing death to humanity (as if it would be appreciated anyways.

Yes, he lied to the one person who gave him purpose to live, purpose to have hope, purpose to be that father again (which he of course wasn’t looking for, but it just naturally happened upon him) like he was to his daughter Sarah all those years ago. And to him, maybe in that moment, lying would be worth the little bit of time, the years they’d have together creating memories, seeing Ellie grow up before his eyes etc. rather than lie to her and see a reaction in words and deeds in which she might’ve ran off losing all hope and trust in him etc. I mean, she did lose trust in him all those years later etc. but as we saw, she was willing to work with him, try to repair what Joel broke, and he knew it wouldn’t be easy, as did she. But with time she understood I think why he did what he did.

It’s just sad in the end, his lie, the time they lost with his betrayal, and than horrific death, caused Ellie to go seek revenge in a way in which Ellie changed, she kept chipping off more of herself along the journey, scary and sad thing to see, and exhausting. But powerful storytelling throughout it all.

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Top 10 PlayStation Plus Premium Horror Games

We love to scare ourselves silly within the horror genre of video games. Thankfully, there are many to find on PlayStation Plus Premium, such as the intense Resident Evil VII: Biohazard and cult favorite Little Nightmares.

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