VG247: John Carmack's admitted that his favourite id Software game is Quake III Arena. You know what, John? Same with us.
The code legend gave up his personal shooter preference in a PCGamer interview about the upcoming free-to-play Quake Live, and also took the opportunity to stick a knife into completist "movie" gaming.
What ever happened to arena shooters? We delve into the rich history of this beloved gaming subgenre, how its survived over the years, and what arena shooters look like in 2022.
Cod killed them. Tbh when cod came along, especially mw2, its was a game changer. Adding rpg elements and scorestreaks rather than just a scoreboard was very cool at the time.
@ben
I have and always will dislike COD, they made it about time spent rather than skill.
If you're better than me in at level 1 it's down to skill. But if you don't play and only get to level 3 and I get to (just say 300) chances are my guns and perks etc I will kill you more than you kill me.
Overwatch is a good example of a game that does require skill. I have 800+ hours on that game, but some players in that game are unreal.
And you know it's down to skill as you have pretty much the same characters etc.
Also any new ones will instantly get compared to Overwatch. Which sucks cause i miss old school arcade shooters with cool characters to choose from.
I miss Unreal Tournament 2004's ultra fast paced action... nothing since has really come close to capturing it. Going on sprees never felt more satisfying. A modern day version of that would be amazing.
Key word lack of content not because it a arena shooter .
And it doing just fine on Xbox
"lack of content"
Maybe if gamers didn't have the attention span of a small child.
The game hasn't even been out long. And they need new maps and weapons already?
No wonder games as a service is a thing.
Seems both people below me don’t know how to read.
Never said the lack of content was because it’s an arena shooter nor did I say new maps or weapons.
The game has less than 1/2 of the game modes from past titles the previous ones would launch with.
There’s very little vehicle centric options and the way they spawn in makes them appear less often.
The unlocks are abysmal compared to previous titles leaving nothing to earn or work towards for those who care about that sort of thing.
Been playing since CE in 2001. Not one of these “attention span” problem gamers you’re speaking of. The game literally lacks legacy game modes and vehicle play isn’t very good.
lmao it's barely been out for a month, it has more than enough content for release. Far more than most games these days.
I'll let you know when I have a hard time finding a match.
The game is as far from dead as dead can be. Not sure why you're trying to make it out to be anything other than that.
@Mr_Writer85
"Maybe if gamers didn't have the attention span of a small child."
Mate, you're the one who needs to pay attention. It's missing loads of modes (although they did add a few back in), no Forge, and barely has a progression system,
"No wonder games as a service is a thing."
You're actually defending a big issue with games as a service (less content for more money) and thinking you're clever.
Devs stopped innovating on them.
Overwatch is the last innovation that has some of that vibe.
Agreed, you can tell Kaplan and co loved playing shooters back in the arena golden days and Overwatch is a much better game because of it. Still my go to shooter and only other shooters I've put this much time in are Quake 3 and CS.
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The Outerhaven writes: First-person shooters (or FPS for you grandchildren of boomers) is one of my favorite genres in gaming. I grew up playing games such as Doom, Quake III Arena, Unreal Tournament 2004, and others. But then something happened.
I just wish they'd do more with the actual perspective and movement. First person view in games are so unrealistic and the lack of movement is what keeps me away from most fps.
Getting dizzy was half the fun of playing Mirror's Edge. Was fun having vertigo for a week after
that's not Sony though, they just have a timed deal. Regardless, that game was going to probably happen. Plus Arkane makes FPS
Replies(7)I love FPS games, I'll take more.
If you actually count, there's wayyyy more 3rd person games. Possibly 3x or more
Also this should be in a new section called 'Rant'
Yeah unfortunately soany people like to post their opinions as news and the best way to get as many eyes over it is using a site like n4g to attract clicks you wouldn't normally get.
It's been years since I found any of these pay attention to me I'm so important whinging articles relevant more often they are written by outliers that just don't like the current gaming trend such as I hate open world's, battle royales, new game in popular franchise is bad because it's more accessible and popular or I liked it before it was cool
"Yeah unfortunately soany people like to post their opinions as news and the best way to get as many eyes over it is using a site like n4g to attract clicks you wouldn't normally get."
Yea unfortunately your comment is a useless strawman fallacy. Worthless comment.
Modder ‘Zanieon’ has released a brand new version of his Quake III On Doom mod, Hunter’s Moon. Hunter’s Moon is a mod for Zandronum and GZDoom that consists in bringing the single-player/cooperative campaign that Quake III Arena never had.
Maybe it's his favorite because, unlike recent id releases, QIII Arena is the only id game that has been worth a damn.
Few gamers will ever realise the depth that competitive Quake 3 has to it.
When someone says that Quake 3 is their favourite fps, they aren't talking about the vanilla version with ffa on q3dm17. The game that everyone else is picturing is a very different one than what people like Carmac are talking about when they mention Quake 3.
They are talking about proper competition level Quake 3, with the latest version of cpma vq3 (formally osp) in 1vs1, tdm + ctf.
If you don't know who Cooller, Z4muz, Zero4, Fox, Cha0ticz, czm, jibo,
uNkind, leXer, keep3r, evil, Toxic or Fazz are, or if you haven't seen them play, then I recommend you look into it if you want to see what all the fuss is about.
If anyone is interested here are a few links to some memorable match demos (1v1):
http://www.cyberfight.org/s...
http://www.cyberfight.org/s...
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Quake 3 and 4 are my least fave id games.
Doom 2 and Quake 2 FTW!
If anyone is wondering why Fatal1ty isn't on that list, it is because he wasn't actually one of the top Quake 3 players, at least by todays standards.
The game hadn't been out for very long when Fatality was considered a top level player. I would say that Quake 3 reached it's peak competitively around 2003 - 2007. This was a while after Fat had moved on from the game and the newer standard of dual maps were introduced.
I wanted to point this out because many people automatically think of Fatal1ty as being one of the Quake greats, but he probably shouldn't be considered a top tier player when it comes to Quake 3.
can't watch the demos, then check out one of my all time favourite Quake 3 videos.
The file is a bit big but it should definately help to make a believer out of you, or at the very least give you some insight as to why some people (like myself) still talk so highly of the game.
http://www.own-age.com/vids...