Outrage over GTA IV problems

A significant number of members of Xbox.com are reporting issues with GTA IV including freezing and the 'Red Ring of Death' and are outraged that Microsoft and Rockstar have yet to comment on the situation.

[thereapersson]

This is still relevant gaming news. Besides, what about the GTA IV reviews that are still trickling in? You don't see those causing complaints...

[HighDefinition]

It would happen.

Anytime anyone "fenes out" on any 360 game, you elevate your chances of RROD. It`s hard for the 360 to handle 6-7 plus, hours a day.

[SCThor]

...Too many hours of a Hi-demanding game take the X360 to the limits quickly. Expect more dead X360, and more protests as December get near (when the first batch of consoles lose warranty)

[Capt CHAOS]

No probs here playing from Friday eve to Sunday, 30+ hours of play with the console staying on for the entire 55+ hours..

But I thought it was a heat buildup with lower voltage countries.. There is a formula somewhere on the net..

[Sega Saturn]

My 360 has been on since Sunday, it still is. I'm going out now and have left it downloading The Brave One in HD.

Also the simple fact is, this is nonsense. I know of not one single person that has had problems with GTA4 on the 360.

Forums should be taken with a grain of salt. As I could go to the same forum and start a thread about how Robert Mugabe loves playing Haze Co-op with Phil Harrison. Complete Bullshit yet so many would beleive it.

[HighDefinition]

That`s great, but the point remains....360s overheat and get RROD. That comes w/ the system being on for long hours. So what ever your trying to say is irrelevant.

GeoW did it to ALOT of 360s, HALO3 did it to ALOT of 360s, GeoW2 will do it to ALOt of 360s. Don`t take it personal, that`s what happens when a system has hardware problems.

[xhairs]

@ captchaos: I never once had to look up any tools/tips/kinks I could do or read about for my PS3. Just sad.

@segasaturn: That my friend just shows us exactly how ignorant your really are. That's like saying because you didn't see that lady get hit by a bus, she didn't get hit by the bus.

[Tempist]

So was that the reason and for giving the game 98-100%? Way to go reviewers. Way to go...

[sleepbox]

Technical issues != gameplay issues because they don't affect all gamers. Unlike the issues ALL gamers will experience in MGS4

[dan-boy]

i know people who've had a few consoles, but then i know plenty who haven't. doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist because it clearly does.

although, my first premium, over two years old and still going strong. has seen more than a few 14+hour gaming sessions without respite! same with the friends who have indulged in those sessions aswell. my elite has done a few 6+ hour gta sessions aswell. and the other day did a 10hour gear day aswell.

[HighDefinition]

The RROD is NOT a "thingy"

It`s a Epidemic and a massive problem.

Sorry, I`m not attacking you. I`m just saying.....

[theKiller]

we, ps3 fans warned u about the RROD when GTA4 comes didnt we? but some people never learn!!

[Jack Meahoffer]

RROD and GTA IV have nothing to do with each other. Like the tons of rabid Sony fans have pointed out in this thread playing long sessions on 360 models prone to RROD and you'll get RROD no matter what game you're playing. Everyone knows RROD is a huge problem posting these flamebait "articles" over and over so Sony fans can feel superior is stupid. I'm happy with both my PS3 and 360 because of the games. I'll deal with possible RROD in order to play the games I want to play.

As far software lock ups... we all know the PS3 has far more problems. So you one console Sony zealots need to slow your roll in this department.

GTA IV is by far the best open world game EVER CREATED. There is no question. The haters just let the hype blow their expectations out of proportions. That's their fault. No game walks on water and cures cancer...

[BattleAxe]

I knew this would happen, I knew that GTA4 would cause some XBOX 360s to get the RRoD.

[harrisk954]

"Unlike the issues ALL gamers will experience in MGS4 "

What does that mean? Are you implying that PS3s have some sort of hardware issues? B/c at less than 3% failure rate, you can hardly say there is any issue there. Or are you saying that MGS4 itself has issues? A game that is probably going to be one of the highest scored games in history?

[deeznuts]

The issue he is reporting is that nobody will be able to put down the controller (except during cut scenes ;)

Massive worker productivity losses ensue

[dle]

It is a myth that the 360's motherboard and its chips get hotter the longer the system is played continuously. The 360's motherboard and its enclosure should reach its average operating temperature rather quickly, less than 10 minutes after the machine is turned on. This average temperature will be fairly constant for the duration of the game session, spiking occasionally during heavy load scenes.

Think of this as turning on your baking oven. It takes several minutes for a typical oven to reach its intended temperature. Once that temperature is reached, it stays there. The only to increase the oven temperatur is to dial up the knob.

In the case of our videogames system, the most common way sudden heat spike occurs are 1) during heavy-load scenes (like dialing up the knob) 2) hotter room temperature 3) failure of heat dissipation components (fans, heat sinks, etc..). In no way leaving the system on or playing for extended period of time causes the systems to overheat.

[Rofflecopter]

got the red ring within the first day of playing (it was on for 13 hours..), so i sent it in the next day and bought the PS3 version. Ill nab the 360 version again when DLC comes out if its any good.

RROD does suck, but ill find ways around it. not that it will matter when MGS4 comes out.. :D

[ocha84]

360 + GTA IV = RROD did 360 users really not c this coming?? seriously~ and how are u going to play exclusive DLC when ur 360 is off gettin fixed??? PS3 all the way~

[ECKOo9]

Stop commenting that their is no problems. My frickin PS3 and 360 both broke because of the game and both started right after the first date which is only about ten minutes into the game.

And holy F****** S*** help out your fellow gamers so they can get refunds for the consoles. I have to pay about 300$ to get of my consoles fixed. Stop being selfish 360 and PS3 fanboys and admit their is a problem. Help someone out you D-****!

Lastly your precious rockstar, sony, and microsoft have all admited to me their is a problem after I submitted a complaint to the better business beau or however you spell it. I might even show the prow if you stop being such idiots about this. I hate fanboys!

[I LOVE my xbox]

The RROD problem needs to be fixed badly.

[vickers500]

I'm glad I bought the ps3 version :)

[Fallen_Angel]

Of course this is complete bs. Not that people are not complaining people are always doing that but that fact that gta 4 has anything to do with "rrod". "Rrod" isnt even news any more we've known about this for 2 and a half years now. GTA4 doesnt cause it tho no game cause it your system is either defective or its not. Doesnt matter what game you are playing at the time it still get "rrod" you could put in gta ,madden , halo , cod, hell you could even be watching a movie and still get 'rrod". "rrod" also has nothing to do with how long you play like all the ps3 fanboys say they are just ignorant. Your 360 is either defective or its not. I got mine on release day and left it on for 2 or 3 days striaght and no "rrod". Had a friend that only plays a few hours at a time and got "rrod"

[Jamie Foxx]

going doctors there must be some sort of anti-biotic for that pest

[thereapersson]

Come on man, at least try to add constructive comments to the article.

Or post in the Open Zone....

[Jamie Foxx]

you need to take some anti-biotics for that case of 'i cant take a joke' syndrome you have.

what the hell,i am a neutral gamer who enjoys games my comment was in jest not serious JEST,so no openzone was not needed i have never and will never post negative comments about 360 hell i just been praising 360on reports that the NG2 demo is amazing.

so unloosen some buttons and take a deep breath

[Palodios]

You need to take some antibiotics for your face! OOOH, I kid, I kid.

As I just pointed out, a sense of humor is a bad thing sometimes, heh. But yeah, RROD kinda sucks, and there isn't really an easy solution.

[damrightfresh]

RROD all over the world soon microsoft fanboys will think twice buying a crappy cheap gaming system..

[KingME]

It's funny how these story lead to the same conversation on this site. How long has GTAIV been out, and did the RROD happen before GTAIV was even out, and Didn't the PS3 have freezing probs with this same title? Why is this sh!t news (AGAIN).

Is the gaming community that desperate for news that this craps has to be rehashed.

And look at the PS3 Fanboy jump in like a pack of wolves on a bloody carcass. Ridiculous!

[Silogon]

I haven't played it in weeks. A major let down on an epic scale that only saw 1 good come to the world of gaming. That being it showed every hardcore gamer the true face of the review sites and how bias and corrupt they are.

Gta 4 was lavished with 10's and unanimous praise as being the best game ever basically when it was loaded with

Slowdown
Pop up
muddy textures
poor controls
poor online aspects
lack of depth
lack of inovation

Gta4 is actually 2 steps back down from where we were with GTASA and that's sad. The only good that came from gta4 is, again, it showed how broken review sites are and how gamers and consumers need to stop listening to them.

[beavis4play]

they really dropped the ball with this one. won't be pre-ordering another one and will wait several months after gta5 launches to get full scoop on game. rockstar and reviews can no longer be trusted.

[Silverwolf]

I said the same thing when the game came out (and got bashed for it). The best liberty city was GTA3, period. I ended trading this game of the 3rd day. Extremely over hyped piece of trash!!!!

[iNickk]

I agree, for some reason it just doesn't have the lifespan of the other GTA games, even with multiplayer..

[Diugu]

GTAIV is a big letdown.

[Xakep]

I finished GTAIV with quite the empty feeling because I got both endings and I was let down from what the reviews were touting to say the least. Despite what the reviews would have you believe, achieving that didn't require a complete second playthrough either just utilizing 2 save files. Afterwards I went back and started San Andreas again and DAMN, GTAIV has the feature set of GTAIII in comparison and oddly missing Rampages.

I don't know what happened in their "streamlining" process, but they took all of the mission variety and the fun of the open world with it. A lot of the amusement in SA for me came from the fact that your character was a work in progress, he has stats and over time grows and becomes more effective in all aspects of the game.

You could play SA for hours before actually doing the first mission just for raising CJ's stats and money for properties alone. Part of that was me breaking off from the main storyline to do any of the countless activities that would have a positive effect somehow.

It appeared as if they took a large amount of that away in GTAIV and replaced it with the TV and the Internet. Deep as they are, I grew tired of them quickly as the shows started to repeat sometimes constantly back to back and the stuff I actually wanted to watch (did America's Next Top Hooker EVER come on?) didn't show that I was aware of.

Let's not forget the mission variety, I was still in my "OMG GTA4!!" haze until I got off of the first island, then everything started to seem more and more familiar. Then it was to the point that every mission that happened, had already occurred in the game somehow or in the past games but better.

An example would be arguably the most memorable mission of the game, the bank robbery. It was pretty cool on its own until I remembered "uh I did a heist in San Andreas didn't I?" Then I started to think "wait, the heist in SA was way more involved and detailed than this". It was actually around 5 missions that were integral in pulling off the heist.

Grabbing the blueprints, tailing that BDSM freak chick for the card, knocking out the city's power source, grabbing an armored truck, getting a sky crane for the armored truck, and finally the heist. I wouldn't have even had to think about it if the hype wasn't built up so much that had me expecting more.

I mean I read some things saying the game was the pinnacle of the open world genre, how so when they cut things out from the prior games? I knew they were trying to streamline some things from their last game, but I thought they would take a page from Rockstar Vancouver and go the Bully route. That was another beast that in a lot of ways in enjoyed more than SA, and the world was still a bit more compelling than the new Liberty City.

A game that got as many perfect scores as it did, I was expecting more than the 30 something "go here, kill this guy, call me when you're done" missions. IV was a step back to me, so I guess here's looking to whatever GTA4 sub game they come out with next that puts everything back to where it should be.

[Jack Meahoffer]

You're obviously totally biased. You mention game reviews so you're obviously somehow hurt that your master MGS4 has gotten worse reviews that GTA IV.

Also you obviously didn't play very far into GTA IV or you would know a lot of your complains are baseless regurgitated talking points put out by GTA IV haters that also never played the game.

You're a bandwagon hater nothing more. You never were a GTA fan or you wouldn't continue to spread FUD about the best open world game ever created. You're probably one of those delusional whiners that thinks open world GTA IV should look better than close linear COD4.

[Xakep]

He's right dude, it was lavished with 10s which would make one think that this game is going to be the best GTA ever. Then when you play it, it's a stripped down version of the games before it and that's a damn fact that can't be disputed. Seriously go pair it up with the past games and outside of the requisite graphical upgrade (which I'm not counting), the television, internet, and the cell phone, the other games have more gameplay mechanics in place.

After you get to the halfway point in Algonquin it just becomes Mafia Errand Auto, which is something I thought they'd have gotten away from already seeing as how EVERY GTA after III somehow takes a turn that way (except I haven't finished Vice City Stories yet).

The first 3rd of the game is stellar, until you realize that the emperor's clothes are fading quickly.

[Dragonfood]

@ Jack-You seriously need to calm down. For one thing this is not about MGS4, this is about GTA so there is no reason to flame a completely different game in an entirely different genre. If you were comparing lets say Saints Row or any other sand box game then you could have some merit in your post.

@ Xakep- I completely agree with you regarding the lackluster mission structure and complete lack of things to do. Every mission on foot can be done with a well placed sniper rifle or grenade. Every car chase mission is incredibly easy once you have free aim down, shoot the tires then the gas tank, repeat, rinse. Even the horrible London:1969 version seems to have more variety. Yes the bowling, darts, TV, ect.. are a fun distraction but one can only take so many pigeons and unique jumps. I miss the rampages, house purchases, planes, the army. I still don't understand why they kept planes out, it seems to me that the area was plenty big enough for at least a single propeller, but i digress. Also, to me the humor seems to have gone away in my opinion, except for Brucie :). Now i know i am going to get disagrees for this statement but oh well. I do think the city itself is graphically impressive, the immersion is incredible, but I sure do miss the old color palette. It seemed more cheerful for all the horrible things you do. I will leave you all on a final note: R* can we please get some seat belts!!!

Edit: Just to let you know I am no hater in any way shape or form. I love GTA. I have completed everyone created to 100% and this is the first one that I really dont feel the need to finish all the way. Also this is the only GTA I have not been arrested once in, the cops are way to easy. To me SA takes the cake on gameplay, and Vice City takes the story line.

[RememberThe357]

But don't take this as me saying the game is any good. It's great. While I was playing I kept wanting it to be GTASA with better graphics. But after beating it I finally have a hole lot of respect for the game. The ending of this game was one of the most emotional videogame endings I've seen. I was totally immersed in everything that was going, and I was completely satisfied with the ending. But Rockstar has yet to top the awesomeness that is Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas

[agentace]

would you and everyone else stop moaning that it could of been better the fact is that it couldn`t because the disc was full so stop bashing rockstar they did there best with what they had to work with and mircosoft hurry up and make a blu-ray xbox so games can move on,blu-ray is massivly needed for games now.(but its totally pointless for movies the movie would have to be like a week long for it to need blu-rray lol)

[thereapersson]

It's not just the architecture of the PS3 or the 360, but it's the game programming itself that is conflicting with the console's cache. All individual system complaints/flaming aside, this is a rather unfortunate epidemic that gamers are having to deal with.

This is what sucks about consoles becoming more and more similar to the PC environment they are mimicing.

[crck]

I have a close to launch 60gb ps3. Manufact date 1/07. I play 35+ hours of GTA 4 and finished the game. Not one single freeze.

[prunchess]

I've had one freeze on my 60 gig launch model Euro PS3 and I'm roughly 49 hours played.

[boodybandit]

I haven't run into one issue with my 60g PS3 but a friend of mine had issues with his 60g PS3 version of GTAIV. The irony is he got his 60g from the same exact batch that I got mine from. He was behind me in line when we picked them both up.

The absolute only differences is we got the game at different locations (different states) and he is using wifi and I am wired to PSN. So it is either the copy of the game (a bad batch) or it has something to do with online (maybe a router issue or something). Who knows. I am just speculating of course.

[Relcom]

Microsoft made the thing.

They should patch the fact my (ps3) GTA4 game freezes still. Pretty wak if you ask me.

[waldopepper]

Exactly. I'm so tired of all these "just bought #### and it made my 360 RROD" - it's the crappy hardware that's at fault.

If you had a poorly made digital camera that broke when you took a picture of a puppy, it's not the puppy that's at fault, it's the damn camera!

[shrimpboat]

You can't even play an epic game like GTA IV with out getting a RroD

[waldopepper]

Um actually you can - I've been playing it for weeks without RROD.

[Rims]

Who refuse to playbeyond on a better system.

[thereapersson]

Grow up.

[thereapersson]

Of course the PS3 doesn't have "RROD", but it DOES FREEZE UP as reported in numerous other news articles.

Some people were even reporting that the game crashed their console completely.

edit: I should have known better than to try to talk sense in the open zone...

[GodsHand]

LOL, some people don't like the truth. But I have the PS3 and had freezing/ loading problems. It seemed to me that is was only when I was signed in the PSN. If I logged out no problems. Since the patch I have not had the problem again, other them some frame rate issue.

[timmyrulz]

Bit of a dumb statement considering the ps3 has massive freezing problems in comparison to the 360 version
Freeze beyond

[syanara]

actually the ps3 dosen't have a red ring of death and it's failure rate is only 0.02% compared to 33% or 16% which BOTH are still extremly bad! you see the ps3s problems are all fixed now. as for it freezing up I can say this. I would rather have a console that only a percentage freeze up rather than a console where a percentage completly fail.

[Mr Playboy]

they are spreading Bull$hit Again, If the rumors are true, at least we got a full HD GTAIV 720P Not an Upscaled Version 620P lol

[insomnium]

"But I have the PS3 and had freezing/ loading problems. It seemed to me that is was only when I was signed in the PSN. If I logged out no problems. Since the patch I have not had the problem again, other them some frame rate issue."

It was EXACTLY the same for me. No problems with offline play if logged out of PSN (before the patch). No probs anywhere after patch.

[Homicide]

"B-b-b-b-b-b-b-but only the PS3 version has problems," cries the 360 fangirls.

[Dacapn]

Yeah but the game doesn't cause the PS3 to die.

[Pain]

but we all new there would be MASS RROD's because of GTA.

Bet Lots where from those Repaked referb EU 360's

But ITS TIME!!!!! XBOX DEFENSE FORCE ACTIVATE!!!!!!!

spin~

[zapass]

a strange discrepancy between what's reported in the fair and balanced gaming news and reality.

not a single freeze around me, we pretty much all got the 60GB launch models with my buddies. however, the 360 death march hasn't slowed down and GTA4 has already seen a lot of coffins.

it's as if murdoch had taken over gaming news...

[step3741]

ay im a strong supporter of xbox 360 and it freezes up on ps3 too but honestly i figured it was something wrong with my 360 before i read this

[morganfell]

thereapersson,

ps3s don't die when gta4 freezes. end of story, end of your argument. have a nice trip.

[sandip787]

i think its a very good game. im amazed at how many people are actually calling the game 'rubbish' when it actually isnt. its just another case of the world hyping something up to a point that it could never deliver. shame really...

[thereapersson]

Hype in this day and age is getting ridiculous. Even back in the days of the PS2 and XBOX, things were never this bad...

[Cryptkeeper]

Except the game is bullocks chap. Complete rubish indeed.

[crck]

hardcore GTA fans and those that have little experience with a big sandbox game. The hardcore fans are complaining about a lack of options, features and play mechanics that were in previous games. While those new to sandbox games are shocked by the degradation in graphics and frame rate compared to shooters that just funnel you through a level. I'm not a big GTA fan but if what others are saying is true there does seem to be a lot missing from GTA 4 that were in previous games and I guess they have a right to complain.

[sandip787]

it really isnt. ok, if GTA isnt your kinda game, then thats one thing, but calling it 'boIlocks' just isnt justified.
if this was saints row 2, then it would most definitely be applauded as a GTA killer. its the very fact that it is GTA, and people were so unbelievably hyped on a scale never seen for a single game, that the moment it slightly disappointed it was lauded as a complete failure and a horrible let down.
i agree, it did disappoint to an extent, and there were many problems (of which i rarely suffered from, the feeling i got from the game was great, the city itself was sublime.
a certain fun factor was removed, but thats what the game was directed towards - realism. rockstar went out on a limb and incorporated an amazing physics system, which needed the rest of the game to follow suite.

im sorry for rambling on, but its just a travesty that these days people cant appreciate a game for what it is, not what it should be or what it could be.

[Cryptkeeper]

Sorry mate but the outdated very poor gameplay alone is enough to warrant a game being considered bad. That's the foundation of the game friendo, and I was expecting it to be fixed by this gen.

[Diugu]

I played them all, including the ones on the psp.

So I can tell you this... even Liberty City stories was better than this one. It was just more fun.

This one does not give you the rush of making the missions and escaping the police. It is all too slow and not exciting. You feel like you driving a car at 50km/h but your car goes out of control like you were at 200 km/h.

It just lacks exitement. In the other games I loved to cause mayhem and escape like crazy... but all I do in this game (GTAIV) is missions and taking people to bars and stuff.. and it is fun.. it is just not as fun as it could be if they were more careful.

[sandip787]

ok mate im just gonna agree to dsagree

[DARK WITNESS]

very true...

@thereapersson

what you say is also true, but i think that is due more to the hype in hardware then anything else. That is the fault of both manufacturers and mags.

Look at all the things promised with next gen... how much of it has truly been on a next level to the point that you would say, ya this could never been done before. The main thing has been graphics.. Ai, physics etc really has not changed much.

GTA for me was only a let down in terms of content, but i believe this is more to do with R* perfecting the technology running the game.
i thought they did a great job in that department. comparing the game to other sand box games with all the details and stuff going on i thought it was amazing. Saints row had more popup and looked worse, but for some reason people compare GTA graphics to gears or something...the only sandbox game that looked as good was AC and GTA should only be compared to other sandbox games.

lets just hope the next one gets the content it really deserves, they will have more time to focus on that.

As someone said, it felt lacking in content.

[Diugu]

AC looked a lot better than GTAIV. But I think GTA wins in random things happening all the time.

There is one thing that freaked me out when I was playing GTAIV.. I went to a bridge.. stoped the car and left... than took the sniper and aimed at a car that was parking (I was like: Amazing! Look how random that woman parking..) then... the friggin car dissapeared... it just dissapeared.. went nowhere.. suddenly there was nothing. hehehe GTAIV is haunted by ghosts.. I tell ya.

[P4KY B]

Except that during muliplayer i can empty an M16 into a guy with no effect, then he kills me with one shot from a pistol from 100m away.

[HighDefinition]

That sucks.

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

Seriously though, I'm more outraged how underwhelming this game is. I geuss the online mode is a major addition, but overall its the same old GTA, just repackaged for next gen consoles.

And I love the way all the review sites were claiming that the glitches in the game weren't a problem, can anyone say BIASED?

[Oner]

That is an excellent point of which I have been saying the past few days to people....how is it, a game with ACTUAL problems gets high scores (10's etc) but a game like MGS4 (not even released yet) gets a couple of mid 8's because of an install time or a cut scene length (of which have not been 100% confirmed to be 90 minutes long?) My guess is the cut scenes total or surpass 90 minutes.

I've played through GTA4 and the first couple of days I was all into it but towards the end I was sick of the inconveniences to get the ACTUAL story line to progress. Not to mention the occasional death towards the end of a LONG mission only to have to start at the beginning (progress check point saves during gameplay anyone?).

I don't get why there is SOOO much public bias in gaming news media nowadays? Whatever. It won't stop me from doing MY OWN due diligence of proper research to make an un-biased review of my opinion on GREAT titles that others try to downplay or the other way around....

Edit: Agree & bubble for you TS

[shrimpboat]

GTA IV on the Xbox 360 has alot of frame rate issues and doesn't look as good as the PS3 version but that is not what the problem is here. The problem is the Xbox 360 hardware so stop blaming the game. Yeah there was some problems with game freezes on some PS3's but I never saw this issue. Over all this game is great. IK can't believe that all these misinformed people keep buying The Xbox 360 knowing that it may fail multiple times when you have a choice to buy the PS3. Maybe not enough damage has been done yet. I hope by the holidays people will be more informed and know to stay away from the Xbox 360. Hopefully consumer reports get a hold of them.

[themyk]

i just think it's funny how when the ps3 was having freezing issues. all the bots were in here talking about how much they are enjoying playing gta4 flawlessly.

[Korosuke]

where can I find this forum???

[Charmers]

As far as I am aware there are no Official Rockstar GTA forum, there never has been. All I can think is the news poster is confusting GTAforums with an "official" forum. It isn't it is a fanbased forum and has nothing to do officially with Rockstar.

[Mc Fadge]

This is a PS3 only problem, k?! :D

[/last month]

Anyway, the freezing problems seem to be on Rockstar's behalf whereas the RRoDs are Microsoft's. Can't really cut it any other way.

[DR-IVO]

wait am I reading this right are 360 owners blaming RRoD on GTAIV?

[Mc Fadge]

Yes :/

[iNickk]

The picture of the article shows that the AV cable is disconnected, not the RRoD.

Ha.

That made me laugh.

Seriously though, I don't know anyone, PS3 or 360 who had a problem with GTA4. You aren't missing much if you have had a problem though.. The game was seriously over-hyped.

[tudors]

so they take the cable out of a working Xbox-360 to simulate a RROD.

[VigorousApathy]

Ironic since it would have been easier to give the X-Box the RROD of death than to reach all the way around the console to unplug the cable.

[LTC]

Erm I never heard of a PS3 red ring before.

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

Think he meant the PS3's GTA4 Freezing problem??? The only problem with the PS3 GTA4 Freezing problem was that there wasn't a problem!!!
I know a lot of(REAL)people who played the PS3 version and they never had the problem??? Strange that??? ;-D

+Sorry i'm on the xBox 360 bit...Sorry! I'm Trying to only stay on the PS3 News;) (even tho pp,mart,mart2,pog etc etc are always on the ps3 bit???MGS4 News anyone???) ;-D

[sl0w-m0]

"Think he meant the PS3's GTA4 Freezing problem??? The only problem with the PS3 GTA4 Freezing problem was that there wasn't a problem!!!
I know a lot of(REAL)people who played the PS3 version and they never had the problem"

Thats irrelevant, because I can honestly say the same thing about the 360 version of GTA IV since none of my friends literally never had any problems with it, and some of them have played it alot more than me. I'm not calling you a liar, i'm just saying just because you know a couple of people that don't have any problems doesn't mean it's a fact and it's not a credible enough news source to debunk all the problems others are having

Anyways I think this article is retarded. I've never seen proof that a specific game can cause the Xbox 360 to RRoD, if anything it will just RRoD on its own anyways (which is still sad) but that doesn't mean theres any problems with the games.

The PS3 version had genuine bugs (for some people) which they've hopefully fixed by now but atleast thats not as retarded as having HARDWARE issues with your Xbox 360 and blaming it on the software causing it. Honestly this article sounds like it was written by a bunch of butthurt Sony Fanboys who got ripped on when THEY had problems with GTA IV, give me a break

[juuken]

GTAIV may have had it's share of problems on the PS3 but has anyone heard of a PS3 getting bricked the minute you pop the CD? The 360 is a joke, and I'm convincing my uncle to get a PS3 because he still hasn't upgraded yet.

[TripleTags]

that RROD .. been through one already so I did't want to risk another one before Fable 2 ;).

[CrazedFiend]

Come on, they already swept that one under the warrantee rug once!

[shrimpboat]

You can blame Rock Star all you want if it makes you feel better, but the fact of the matter is that the Xbox 360 simply cannot handle long hours of play without melting the soldering on the main board and when they dry the 360 might work again or it might give you a Red Ring o Death when you turn it back on. So stop blaming GTA IV because I have yet to here anyone with a PS3 say that there system won't turn on after hours of play. I have left my PS3 on for months at a time and everytime I hit the power button it turns on/off with no problem. What is a Xbox 360 owner to do when your warranty runs out. I have a Xbox 360, (actually Im on my third) and a PS3 but when the warranty expires on the Xbox 360 I am selling it or trading it in for Store credit toward PS3 games this fall.

[SCThor]

Too many hours of a Hi-demanding game take the X360 to the limits quickly.

[iNickk]

But who is to blame?

[Oner]

Microsoft, plain and simple....well partially to be honestly, because if there where no RROD hardware problems to begin with then it would only be a game software freezing problem that has been noticed cross platforms. So the fair thing would be to partially hold MS responsible for poor hardware and R* for software freezing issues.

[Official General]

That was a over a month ago. When I first bought my copy of GTA 4, it froze on me twice, the second time being the longest. The PS3 online patch came out a few weeks after GTA 4's release and since then I have not had any problems with it, mine plays just fine.

I must say I'm very surprised at the sizeable amount of negative comments about GTA 4 coming from gamers. As a hardcore GTA fan myself, yes I do admit that there are some features missing in the game that should have been continued from the last the series and some newer features that should have been added to the game. It slightly dissapointed me in a way, but I will say this - GTA 4 is certainly NOT a rubbish game! No way man, no way. I'm still playing it now and I'm enjoying it plus I find the main story very interesting, right up to the point I wanna play to the end and see what happens. Although some missions are a little samey, I've played so many exciting and thrilling missions in the game. The graphics are not the best, but they are still very good to look at considering the sheer massive scale of the city and detail on the screen. GTA 4 probably offers the most realistic visual expression and cinematic experience of a living and breathing modern-day American, NYC-style city, more so than any other game. The positives far outweigh the negatives in this game, and thats the truth. Ok GTA 4 may well not be not a 10 for many, but certainly deserves no less than a 9. It still is a very well-made quality and fun game.

Word of advice to all gamers out there - I know GTA 4 initially appears like a little bit of a let-down, but trust me guys if you have put it down without getting very far JUST PICK IT UP AGAIN. Just keep playing it and get further ahead and you will see just how really fun this game is. You will also see how very interesting the story gets. Just keep faith and keep playing it, you will like it a lot especially as a GTA 4 fan.

Also check the cheats and guides for GTA 4 online - they show a massive amount of extra fun things to do apart from the main storyline.

[insomnium]

It was the same for me. A couple of freezes before the patch and zip afterwards.

Even though I haven't played it through yet (~45%) I agree with you completely. The game is very good and I think the gameplay (shooting mainly) is much better in this GTA than before. The prior GTAs suffered from the camera during shooting. In GTA 4 it's just fantastic even though it still isn't perfect (can it even be?).

To me GTA4 has delivered and I really love the physics in the game. Can't wait to see the story through =)

[likeaboss302]

I've logged over 35 hours on my 360 Elite with one freeze.

[likeaboss302]

How does someone disagree with my comment? That makes no sense to me. Did someone watch me play 35 hrs and see it freeze more then once or not at all? Sometimes this site makes no sense.

[timmyrulz]

At least they offered a warranty, unlike some other unmentionable company

[shrimpboat]

Sony has a great warranty and less than 1% actually have to use it but hmm, I believe around 30% - 40% of Xbox 360 users have used the Warranty so far so im sure you know all about there warranty.

[twoface]

Well timmy, if you put it that way, then I'm proud and glad to say that my other 2 consoles have a lifetime warranty against this particular problem known as RROD

[NoiseBringer]

I mean, they now about red ring problem... why they dont just put towells in bundle :)))))

[Delive]

My 360 video card dies Saturday morning after 5 minutes of GTA4.

[Tha Beast]

I haven't heard anything good about that 360 machine ever so why should this be a surprise. Companies should take a little more time with all their products and just maybe someone will get something right. I'm just tired of all the complaints about every system and game.

[tudors]

where is the proof of this.

[HighDefinition]

Did you once say the RROD is a MYTH?

Correct me, if I`m wrong.

[Mr PS3]

Make your mind up Bot's !!
Which one do you prefer ?
Gotta love the old classic The RROD

It get's better and better by the day for the Old Grey Xbox 3 Dollar's 60

No Good new's, No good Games ,No Hope

Edit
Just to rub it in
I've put in over 100 hours on the game and loved it
Hear that bots 100 hours
You'd be lucky to get 10 hours outa the Xbox
LMAO

[Imalwaysright]

Both Rockstar and MS should be sued for screwing their costumers.......

[wetowel]

I see what Microsoft has done here... the old ignore everyone's problem and hope it will go away tactic.

[THWIP]

...the same tactic your parents used on YOU.

[straightpiff420]

I have GTA for PS3 and have no problems but they were a very few people who said they had some freeze problems but after the patch I haven't heard anyone complain. Rockstar responded almost immediately so they probably will do the same...However, it is well known that 360 is far from reliable so it could be hardware issues that are out of Rockstars hands. Good luck guys.

[sleepbox]

The only freezes I've experienced on the 360 version were either during the transition to or during a multiplayer match.

NTM the issue is much more prevalent on PS3.

[shenmue]

i had to change my 5th xbox360, now my 6th because GTA4 froze online. Its the Free Mode that's causing the main problem in GTA.

[Lord Vader]

Well, I bought the Ps3 version. It had the freezing issue so I eBayed it. I gamefly'd the 360 version originally for comparison & ended up buying because it had no issues for me. And I have clocked more than 80 hours in the game at least with some 8 hours days in there & never a problem.

I'm sure ppl are getting RROD on ocassion, but I dont know what it has to do with GTA except extended playing hours. I dont know about the MP freezes, Ive played a few mp maps without a problem, but mainly I'm trying to get 100% completion in the single player, so collectively Ive put in less than 10 hours on MP.

[trancefreak]

sucks! I guess will have to wait for codenamed Jasper 65nm IBM triple-core processor to fix these problems.

[ChefDejon]

I witnessed RROD through these very eyes and saw the look of Deep Despair on my friends face

[KILLA J]

The game was much smaller than SAN ANDREAS, there was no TANK, no SWORD, no CHAINSAW,no FLAMETROWER, no PLANES, no PARACHUTES, no ROCKET-JET, no COOL HAIRCUTS or TATOOS, entering the cheats by using the phone was hard, when u are getting shot by the cops, it was LAGGY, the online SUCKS, the LOADING is still long as hell, getting rid off the cops was very hard, NIKO is an UGLY MOFO, the story line was MEH, pop-ups, etc, etc, etc, etc etc, etc, etc. i'm trading this game for $33. it was dissapointing

[CViper]

AFter you are done being wow'd by the city/physics/tv/comedy

theres little content compared to vice city and san andreas.

I Don't care if I'm able to watch a comedy show...

I want to build a crime empire. Which you cant. You cant even rob stores..

[ScottEFresh]

Running on the 60GB smooth as silk even after the systems hot and been on for over 48hrs straight. Xbox sucks ASS!

[power of Green]

PS3 fanboys making up more BULLSHIT abusing BS stories for your agenda lol.

Claims that its some wide spread problem making theories then goes on to say *and another member* blah blah blah.

There's actually a reason no one has heard about some seriuos problem. lol

That pic above used in this story isn't even RROD.

[Dacapn]

You would be familiar with what it looks like.

[juuken]

Were you born a freakin' idiot or something? Why do you think that every report regarding the 360 is a hate-filled agenda by Sony fans? The 360 a flawed system. The only thing it has going for it is solid software. MS should have remodeled the 360 from scratch. I've heard of freezes on the PS3 with GTAIV but I have never heard of the system completely dying like that.

Stop avoiding the fact that MS ripped you off already.

You sicken me.

[xtreampro]

the PS3 version does not upscale to 630p you sad ja-lopy xbutts, the PS3 dont even need a 1080p upscaler cus the HDMI is 1.3a, you lot can say what ever you want but you can't argue with facts, and thats 1.3a HDMI out-put, thats true HD meaning 1080p FULL! HD and the (A) stands for 120fps(XBUTTS look up on NET IF! u can.lol) just cus R.S messed up on GTA4 with their so called in-house engine(which explains it all) dont mean the PS3 can't out-put 1080p so STFHU 'n' GTFO, and this is to all BULL-SH1T-BOX worshipers, switch on your HEAT-BOX and when your on the main xbox screen or your cluttered shopping menue, check if your HD-TV is running at 1080p 60fps at that moment, trust me u will be blown away cus i know it wont be 1080p, the PS3's XMB runs at a native 1080p 60fps, not an upscaled 1080p, its not only about the HDMI out-put its also about BlueRay, BlueRay discs were made for such resoloutions, the crap 1950's DVD9(PPFHH! DVD9, HAHAHAHAHA!) was made for upscaling or trying to upscale to 480i, and even on that it struggles

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Wow, congratulations on your award for biggest full of sh!t post of the year.

Now here is a turd necklace, wear it with pride fishhead.

POS3 Sucks!

[Xlll]

@Crab don't be mad your GTA Freezes. You can always upgrade to PS3. Yes we had some Freeze issue that effected a 1-2% of GTA discs on PS3. But that was quickly fixed with a patch. You know like the one you didn't get. Why you ask? Well thats simple, R* and Take Two don't like you or your flop box.

[ReBurn]

GTA IV has only frozen once on my Xbox, but when it did it really screwed things up. The first time I restarted it after the freeze I got the blocky graphics that are normally the first sign of RROD. I let my system cool down for a few hours and it has been fine since.

[BigDaddyDLo]

Ah so the 360 version freezes too huh? This doesn't surprise me as at all, as freezing is not a console issue but a bug in the game lol. But the RROD's kind of surprise me, but I guess not. I have a newer model and have had my 360 on for 9 hour play sessions with no problems. Im sure thats not the case with the older models though.

[Kleptic]

ha yeah...it freezes on the 360 now, like it did before the patch on the PS3...only problem though is that once the 360 version freezes...its premanent, and spreads to all 360 games...

[CViper]

by kotaku.

[The Wood]

simple

[MRIBNthewind]

It reminds me of when the RROD first appeared a year or so ago, and everybody was denying that it actually exists. Everyone was like, "It never happened to me and I don't know anyone that has that problem either". Well looks to me like it happening all over again. Wonder whats going to happen when the warranties start expiring later this year???????

[project76dodo]

xbiitch sucks Cokk
and this is what you Azzholes who talk shiit about PS3 get!!!

hahaha you fa99ets!!!

im so glad your systems are fuucking up!!!

you guys bash ps3 all day, and yet its the best made and most powerful system

i hope some of you guys grow up and get a real system

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Aren't you a keyboard toughguy! Let me guess you are about 12 yo right? You fit the POS3 owner to a tee congratulations.

Funny, I doubt you would say that to a persons face because it would lead to you getting your head cracked open.

PS: The POS3 fvckin sucks!

[Xlll]

"Funny, I doubt you would say that to a persons face because it would lead to you getting your head cracked open." Oh yeah you a real badass crab. B!tch you couldn't hurt a fly.

[project76dodo]

ni99a im 21
how old are you biitch
let me guess 25 or higher still living at home with your white trash family
huh white boy?
nerd

come to Los Angeles and when your here/or already are
send me a message and i will fuuck you up without a computer in front of me
you biitch

[pimpstation]

Fo real dude. I'm in LA too. Let's hunt this fool down, strap him to an xbox 360, and then plug it in. He'll burn to death in a few minutes. Got that crab? That's how we roll wit the PS Triple.

[cr33ping_death]

just when you think the RROD is somewhat done, it sucks people back in.

[Cherchez La Ghost]

I have over 75 hours on GTA. My longest session was over 3 hours (when I firs got it). Not once it lock up on me an no RRoD. The only thing I suggest is get the Nyko Intercooler EX. I usully take the Intercooler off at least once a month to clean the fans for dust. And besides, all of my friends who have 360's never said once that GTA "locked-up" and gave them RRoD.

[Rusted]

I was very afraid to get this freaking game for my PS3 but it runs flawlessly in my 60 gb, even online.

It's a shame really, 1 of the most waited titles in the history of videogames and at the end, be careful, because it can kill your console. Shame on you R*

[avacadosnorkel]

it has nothing to do with R*

[gerol]

microsoft is the one responsible for this..

[Nevers]

and many a long gaming session my 360 still lives... as do all my friend's consoles. I've been thru one RRoD about a year and a half ago and the funny thing was that it "Ringed" on Geometry Wars; so my theory is that if it's gonna happen it's gonna happen no matter what game your on.

I noticed my old console was manufactured on 4/20... of 06' ... might be a "chronic" problem 8D

[Kareshi_X]

That's total bull I've played GTA4 on a 2nd hand Xbox360 Since The day it came out and never got any RROD and No Freezes . I play atleast 7-8 hours straight on my 360 and never get no probs . I've played on my Cousins 360 never had problems with their 360's either.

[wallace1000]

I wonder if it is very heavy use that is the problem. I have only ever had my GTA freeze once and i had just saved so i didn't mind. I can't say i have ever played my 360 for more than 6 or 7 hours straight though.

[Blaze929]

Maybe if those same people would not play thier 360 and GTAIV 24/7 they wouldnt be having this issue. Ive had my 360 since January 06, NO problems still to today. THere are no problems to adress, simply let your 360 rest.

[djroberts]

This is the era of unreliable games. Software development has really taken a step back. The market will need to correct as profitability will go down and class actions goes up.

[gololo]

i dunno how gtaiv got soooo many 10s...i mean the game has some serious problems (textures, controls etc...) and reviewers gave it a ten....I for one ebayed this game a week after i bought it...i think R* let everyone down...

[RAM MAGNUMS]

WTF?!? You mean there are still people who havent upgraded to a ps3?
What a bunch of Losers! Game Over and you are still paying for your Gold account? You dont even get refunded for the down time! LOL you lose again!
GTA 4 Killed my Xbox!
Spring Update killed my xbox
My entertainment center killed my Xbox
Gears of war killed my xbox
Halo 3 killed my xbox
It goes on & on but Xbutts never face the fact that 1 out of 3 xboxes Die! RROD or 1 red light or frozen screens or misreading the game as a dvd!
SUMMER IS GOING TO KILL YOUR XBOX 360!

[trancefreak]

Roflmao: great breakdown literally muuhaaaaaa

[B3RS3RK3RGANG]

-Only on xbox 360

[thehitman]

I believe is any1 or lets say MS fault is the 3rod. Freezing has always been in gaming since super nintendo. Even though freezing is way less common then back in the days its really not a serious problem save ur shyt then r/s ur game or system.

Edit:
Actually on the ps3 you can tell if its your system or the actual game that has frozen and it most cases if its the game you can take it out and reinsert it while its still on and most of the times it will come back. It worked for me like 3x. If its the system your out of luck which you can usually tell if its the system if your not allowed to go to the quit menu screen.

[-SIXAXIS-]

It's because they're overloading the cache. They fixed it for PS3 though. I wonder if they can fix the 360 version. They may have to lower texture resolution because the RAM is shared between CPU and GPU and to free up space, they would have to make lower res textures (unless they put a lot of work into it and find a way to optimize the caching process further).

[trancefreak]

-Chorus: Dont touch my bubbles and i wont touch yous, dont touch my bubbles cause its not the thing to do. WOOO HOO bubbles!!!!

felt like singing a bubbles song.

[Julia Bond]

GeoW caused RROD! i luved geometryy wars. :0

<3

[DontH8DPlayaH8DConsl]

but does anyone know if rock* has made some official statement like they did for the ps3 version? that would stop some P-e-O-ple G-oing on and on about "ps fantards" making stuff up

[Dragonfood]

Both consoles have there share of freezing issues. Now whether this is becuase of poor programming on part of R*, different console skus not being tested for compatibilty, or just a bad imaging on the discs remains to be seen. I doubt anyone will ever really know.

As for the RRoD. It has existed before GTA, and it will exist well after GTA. It is pure common sense that any game that sells in such volume as GTA will appear to cause more RRoDs. It just happens to be the game people were playing at the time of the RRoD. Hell, my console RR'd on me when I placed in Katamari. I really dont think that is a graphically tasking game... lol. It has gotten better although it still existing in a much lessor form with current new models. Hopefully when the next chipset systems come out it will all but eliminate the problem, but we will not know until that happens.

[dragunrising]

Online forums are most vocal. They magnify a problem which may or may not be a big deal. I would like to know why I've only had one replacement Xbox. I play 2-3 hours a day and 6-8 hours (rarely)on the occasion I'm playing something excellent. Where do I keep my Xbox 360 you might ask? In an open area and placed on a USB laptop fan; Antec Notebook Cooler to be exact (look it up). I place the notebook cooler on top of a tile of marble. I'm not saying rrod is the fault of consumers...however many people don't take very good care of their electronics. Rule #1 of high energy, high performance electronics is that they have enough ventilation. When I played Oblivion (2 summers ago) I never had a problem and I don't assume I'll have a problem with GTAIV or Ninja Gaiden. You should be able to play as long as you like and not worry. I don't.

[socalr6]

Well I turned on my 360 for first time in weeks to play some MotoGP. (Ps3 and COD4 main option lately)

Within 20 minutes it shut down with 2 rings, overheating. Before I was getting constant disk read errors so I purchased the ps3 when COD4 came out. I called Xbox and am sending it in. Mine is a 12/05 build with extended warranty and louder than hell.

I'm thinking of toweling it to make sure I get replacement instead of just being repaired. Do they install the new heat sinks for 2 rings? 3 is just around the corner if it overheats in less than 1/2 hour

[dragunrising]

However, I recommend overheating the Xbox 360 to get three red rings. Sounds evil, but it is the manufacturers fault. Make sure you remove the hard drive before you do it though; you don't want to corrupt the hard drive data. I had a launch console and had my Xbox completely replaced. I assume my replacement already had the head sinks installed. Not problems for a year and a half. I feel for you. When you get your Xbox back get a laptop usb cooler. I mentioned the Antec notebook cooler above. It sounds like a hassle but it gives you a little piece of mind if your worried about future problems.

[rawd]

PS3 had to wait a few days for a GTA4 patch to fix their systems. 360's problems require more then just a patch. Maybe a lobotomy first

[pimpstation]

Solution for GTA IV Xbox 360 issues - Buy a PS3 and a copy of the definitive version of GTA IV.

[Rob Rymond]

Just to clarify as some seem to think this is old. Yes we've known about the problems, but an email to us was stating that Microsoft have still kept quiet about the situation despite the time span. The author of the email also was worried that websites weren't allowed to report on it, so we decided to run the story to show that we aren't being blackmailed by Microsoft or Rockstar to keep quiet on the situation!

[Snukadaman]

playing on machines that are either about to rrod or blu-ray failure....there is absolutely nothing wrong with the game..been playing at more than 50% since release..and did anyone actually check the source of the thread....it was started on may 1st so most of those posting are confirming there are no problems...which is quite ludicrous how the story states that a "significant number" of members are reporting issues....count how many people are experiencing the problem to people saying there are no problems.

[Xlll]

The games that froze on the PS3 were simple to fix. Its called Reset. Sadly reset won't fix the 360 version or the RROD. Enjoy waiting on the FEDEX to return your box.

[Snukadaman]

a simple reset huh.....tell that to these people
http://boardsus.playstation...
now if you read this thread you will see that there were 4000 posts on the old thread and its already up to 2500

the freezing for the ps3 ruined many a ps3's so you fail with your campaign. On RROD I personally Have not had it for 7 months now and no problems with my elite.....so go watch a movie douchebag.

[Xlll]

But you had RROD. The freezeing was solved with a patch that quickly released. The same can't be said about the 360. Nice try trying to put a spin on it with outdated news. Just like your 360 did 7 months ago you fail.

[waljaber]

i have to congrats u for finishing the game, because i couldn't continue playing that game how many time trying to convince my self.

[Ali_The_Brit]

my PS3 might have alot of delays, it may have had a weaker game line up to start with, but hell at least i can say in all safety i donthaveto worry about it flashing its 3 red lights of death on me when i turn it on. nuff said.

[AliC]

I know of no one, both 360 and PS3 owners that have and any issues with GTA 4, and I know a lot of people.

[captainjy]

BS. This is just someone wanting to create BS. I have played hours of GTA 4 and only 1 lockup. My buddies have been playing for a month now and no one has had any issues with it. Stop the fking lies.

[EnforcerOfTheTruth]

Well nothing new with the RRODBox

[Trekster_Gamer]

this is nowhere near a RROD issue compared to the PS3, the problem is bigger on the PS3, just other titles that have had issues.

[PirateThom]

Actually, the problem has become virtually non-existant on PS3 since they patched it. The 360 fanboys were too busy getting the shots in, they forgot that the 360 had the same issue, so nothing was done about the freezing.

Doesn't explain the RRoD though, that's entirely Microsoft's fault.

[PSWe60]

I've had GTA IV for almost 3 weeks now, put in an average of 4 hours a night everynight since then. I've got the launch 60 Gig PS3 and so far the only problem I've had is finding all of the pigeons in the game.

HA!

PUTO Bots + 3rd60 = EPIC FAILURE!

Jump Out, the house is burning

[PimpHandHappy]

my GTA has yet to freeze and im 68% and about to take Kate to the wedding.....or some say her DOOM

but really

who cares

Cant wait for the MGS frooze my 360 stories

frooze=replaced

but really

gamers being outraged on XBL is dam funny! You should hear them when they lose on HALO2

[PoSTedUP]

this just makes the both the consoles more even, who ever was talking sh*t about the ps3 having problems with gta4, well here you go fellas, you get the same thing. feels good doesn't it.

[monkpunk1]

Dont shoot me down for being a ps3 owner. But the ps3 version had the patch to stop freezing which worked in my experience but the online is utterly hideous!

I have played hangmans noose and bomb the base and they are boring after the one play. If you go into a regular game such as cops and crooks it kicks you. ALL my friends who have the game have this problem. 15 or so of them, in fact 15x£45 = £675 not bad for rockstar. It makes me sick that we bought this broken game!

It has far too many flaws not just in multiplayer the single player is dull, it looks drab and its missions are tedious too.

Microsoft payed rockstar 50 million for this game and rockstar probably used half of it to ensure the reviews were "perfect" lets see how much they have made in total next financial year.

So hopefully the hype will die down after all it's PERFECT????? reviews. People will find out the truth and it should end up where it belongs.....

In the bargain bin or preventing my coffee cup making a stain on my table.

[coolkidz]

suck my d### people

[EL SALVADOR]

I predicted this in the N4G forums that this will happen even before the game was released.

[Denzelio]

Is the article stating that GTA on 360 causes 'RRoD'? lol maybe thats what the 50 mil was for a secret kill code within the game, just another creative way that M$ kills off your consoles to force you to buy another.

[themyk]

thats not even a picture of rrod. rrod only has three red lights.

EPIC FAIL.

not that i care. play b3yond.

[xcmike]

this game defintly needs a 10 out of 10,

Yaaaaa! my games freezing and so is my system!

im glad i dident buy the game =)

[waljaber]

don't play the over hyped stupid game :(
should be 5/10 .

[Nervsys]

Has anyone noticed that the rubbish games that no one plays ever cause RROD?

This is like claiming that the latest Britney cd broke my cd player.

Pathetic.

[alakazzam]

HA HA