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Kids Reacting To Old Computers Hurts My Heart So Much

Kids today, with their graphical user interfaces and high DPI mice. Why, when I was their age I was getting kicked out of Radio Shack for making the computers spew out endless streams of curse words. 10 Print "Sadness"; 20 Goto 10.

maniacmayhem3632d ago

Absolutely brilliant!

It's funny showing my son old games from the NES era, even old cartoon from the 80's trips him out.

GhostTurtle3631d ago

Ive been able to get my 8 year old daughter into old school cartoons. She loves em. Shes also a gamer, and old school games are pretty much a head scratcher for her. Pretty funny. I did get her into Pokemon Snap though.

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SmoothC9113631d ago

Omg this really took me back!
While things are obviously easier today, I miss the simplicity of the old days of my youth
It was great to see some of the kids taking interest in the old Apple II; you had to know some level of DOS to do anything -- I bet this little computer would peak their interest :)

jegheist20143631d ago

omg lol i used dos but games wre in color we had boards for internet when i grew up but yea me using that thing now i would chug it out window lol never look back im 30 now

Eldyraen3631d ago

Looking back now its crazy how far we've come and this is the ultimate proof of it.

I can remember using computers similar to this one as a kid (mostly because my friend's dad had one for work--only pc owner I knew at the time) but thankfully my first PC was much newer (still used zip drives steadily but cds were gaining ground quickly so had built in cd drive).

I can honestly say I would really have to think about how to do it all myself--let alone if raised surrounded by today's technology.

I work with young kids and recently opened up an old pc at work to try fixing something and kids had fun just watching (not touching or getting too close) wondering what in the world everything inside was or did. ;) Most kids today are all raised on phones/tablets and doubt most of them even have a regular pc at home anymore or if they do it rarely gets used (at least not around them enough--phones/tablets are great but limited still).

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Babadook7907d ago

“So is the M1 Pro worth double the cost of the M1 Air? The numbers themselves say yes. For the majority of the games tested, you can expect from the M1 Pro at least double the performance of the M1 Air”

Now test the M1 Max.

Vegamyster907d ago

It’s a shame Apple doesn’t care more about gaming and getting devs to optimize for these chips because they’re impressive in every other regard, they could have the first laptops that can game unplugged with no performance dips with good battery life and stay cool/quite.

Babadook7907d ago (Edited 907d ago )

Yah. You can boot windows on this but then the processors are emulating. I hope apple starts courting more game devs.

ricmcgamer906d ago

Can't run Bootcamp on M1 Macs

Babadook7906d ago (Edited 906d ago )

Parallels works, apparently.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/n...

TheColbertinator907d ago

Dedicated hardware support for laptops would get Apple a decent foothold in gaming. The logistics would be tough but Apple has the cash to carve out their own Steam or GeForce Now equivalents.

ABizzel1906d ago (Edited 906d ago )

The level of performance is great at that level of power consumption. The M1 Pro is basically an Xbox Series S equivalent APU, but running at half the TDP (40w vs 80w) which is hugely important for laptop battery life (lasting easily into 10+ hours for most workloads compared to 3 - 6 for most other laptops). There's also the Max, which has 2x the GPU cores, but also a big increase in TDP (around 90w - 120w).

The processor is a great example of what Ultrabooks and Entry level laptops will soon become (which will eventually trickle down into handhelds like a Switch 3 / Steam Deck 2 / etc...). They've already had the Snapdragon 8cx on the windows side of things, and NVIDIA's attempt to buy ARM is specifically for this future and getting Tegra to be significantly more mainstream.

The problem with this specific processor, however, is the company behind it, Apple. Once again this is Xbox Series S performance (slightly better CPU, slightly weaker GPU) being sold in a $2000 laptop with bare bones upgradability unless you want to get scalped directly by Apple, and even worse repair options.

Babadook7906d ago (Edited 906d ago )

“Once again this is Xbox Series S performance (slightly better CPU, slightly weaker GPU) being sold in a $2000 laptop with bare bones upgradability unless you want to get scalped directly by Apple, and even worse repair options.”

This is a laptop coming with an industry leading 120 hz display and should not be compared to a home console. It compares favourably to its competitors in price per spec. The m1 Max would be higher spec than ps5 or series x while on battery. Not that those are it’s competition.

ABizzel1906d ago

@Babadook7

Not once did I say it was in competition with the console. The reason I listed that was to give those without a tech background some comparable that they can comprehend performance wise.

And the value is definitely not there in comparison to it's competition which like for like performance wise would be the high end RTX 3050 ti laptops which are half the price, which offer once again similar CPU performance (considering that most of these reviews are the 10-core, not the base 8-core version in the $2000 Macbook), but a 3050 ti is about 30% faster in gaming on average, with it being nearly 2x as fast in some games due to the lack of optimization on MacOS games, and that's before adding Raytracing and DLSS into the equation.

It's a great processor for low power options, but it's also twice as much as comparable products in the market.
https://www.bestbuy.com/sit...

You can go up to the 3050 ti for an extra $100 - $200 and have 2x the performance and still be around 1/2 the cost.

Babadook7906d ago (Edited 906d ago )

“And the value is definitely not there in comparison to it's competition which like for like performance wise would be the high end RTX 3050 ti laptops which are half the price, which offer once again similar CPU performance (considering that most of these reviews are the 10-core, not the base 8-core version in the $2000 Macbook), but a 3050 ti is about 30% faster in gaming on average, with it being nearly 2x as fast in some games due to the lack of optimization on MacOS games, and that's before adding Raytracing and DLSS into the equation.”

If you want to claim that the value isn’t there… Show me a pc laptop that can compete with this M1 pro in performance on battery and with a comparable display. Make sure you don’t cheap out with a low quality display vs a 1600 nit 120 hz mini led display. If you cherry pick based only on gpu, it’s not a fair comparison, and you know that.

ABizzel1906d ago

Now you're just being foolish lol

This is about:

1. "M1 Pro vs M1 gaming on Mac: Is the Pro worth it?".
2. "How does the M1 Air compare to the new M1 Pro? Is the M1 Pro, which is twice as expensive as the M1 Air, worth its 2,000 dollars price tag?"

And the PC comparisons come directly from the article

1. "But buying decisions are much more complicated than that. And let’s be honest here, if you’re looking for a pure gaming machine, you’ll be better off with a Windows laptop. That’s clear."

2. "So should you get the M1 Air or the M1 Pro? If you’re gaming, go Windows! But if you’re looking for the added grunt to power your creative projects, it’s well worth springing for a laptop packing the new M1 Pro chip."

Why get to a completely different topic to feed your preference. We aren't talking about display and battery life, and I've acknowledged those already away from the actual talking point GAMING PERFORMANCE. But if you want to go with those we can.

I can buy two RTX 3050 laptops and as a result have 2x the battery life allowing it to keep pace and exceed the Macbook.

or

I could buy the laptop and purchase 4K Editing / Gaming monitor or even a 48" LG OLED48C1 for the same price (considering LG makes the panel) and have a significantly larger editing display, as well as a significantly faster video rendering laptop and a gaming experience that can take advantage of actual 60fps performance across the board, and higher resolutions thank to DLSS.

or

You can simply buy a $2000 gaming laptop and get a RX 6700 / RX 6800 / RTX 3070 / some RTX 3080 level GPUs and blow it completely out the water.

Babadook7906d ago (Edited 906d ago )

I absolutely agree that windows is the way to go for gaming and no one on this page has questioned that. This is primarily because of software and optimization not hardware.

I said “It compares favourably to its competitors in price per spec. ” those specs include a lot more than just a gpu.

You responded “ And the value is definitely not there in comparison to it's competition”. Then you avoid any like for like comparison. Because these new macs do in fact perform very well overall vs the competition for the price. And you know that. You can’t lug around a c1 and say it’s a competitor to the best in class laptop display. You can’t run the pc at this performance when unplugged. Not even with three batteries. Your claims that this laptop lacks in value vs cheap pc laptops is false.

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Profchaos907d ago (Edited 907d ago )

If you were going to buy one anyway yes but if your buying specifically for gaming no you're going to end up with more value for money by going to a PC or console for the price difference.

Fntastic907d ago

Anyone who knows about hardware would already know Apple stuff is very overpriced for what it is.

Angyobangyo907d ago

Seeing that it took Intel's latest $600 i9 to beat the base M1 chip recently in single and multi-core benchmarks, we can clearly see how much value the M1 brings. I guess it's still cool to hate apple.

thecodingart906d ago

Definitely not cool to blatantly blow smoke and just hate Apple lol.

ABizzel1906d ago (Edited 906d ago )

@Angyo

Performance has little to do with Value when it's clear that the 5800H and Current Intel i7 10000 series processors are still running neck and neck with the M1 and come standard in computers that cost half the price of the ENTRY M1 Pro. Not to mention the entry M1 Pro is actually the 8-core version, while most reviewer are reviewing the 10-core version in their comparisons for the 16" which starts at $2500. That's before you even get into the upgrade option which are abysmal on Macbooks and borderline a scalping directly from Apple. A decent $1000 gaming laptop is all that is needed to offer this level of performance in production alongside a much better gaming experience.

32GB RAM upgrade
PC: $150 self install
Apple: +$400 soldered onto the board, if it dies 99% of people have to buy a brand new Macbook

2TB NVMe upgrade
PC: $200 Gen3 / $300 Gen4, self install
Apple: +$600 Gen4 soldered onto the board, if it dies 99% of people have to buy a brand new Macbook

These are standard upgrades for anyone doing production work, and now you're at $1350 - $1450 for a gaming laptop vs $3000 for a MacBook Pro and both are in the exact same ballpark. Now the MacBook does have much better battery life and a significantly high resolution screen, but those things aren't worth $1550.

The value is awful, the performance considering the TDP is what's good. And this is coming from someone typing this on their MacBook Pro.

rlow1906d ago

Love how one person on here says apples are overpriced and they’re labeled a hater. But hey that’s the age we live in.