Nintendo Needs To Learn From Microsoft. Order A Game Video Games Podcast Series Episode 20.

Welcome to the Order A Game Podcast Series.

This week the team discusses the Kinect less Xbox One and the price cut and how Nintendo needs to learn from Microsoft.

The Team also discusses Watch Dogs, Far Cry 4, Wolfenstein, Rockstars next game and a lot more in Episode 20 of the Order A Game Podcast.

[randomass171]

Hopefully from their games and IP grabbing and not the policies of the pre-launch days of Xbox One.

[LOL_WUT]

Introduce a new model without the gamepad and sell it for cheaper. ;)

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Dumb decision.
Take away the game pad and you've got a system that does nothing special, lacks features that the other two support at least by peripherals of their own, and on top of all that dropping the pad wouldn't draw in AAA third parties.
It would literally make it the most bare-bones and feature-less console on the market.

The game pad NEEDS TO STAY.
Haters can cry all they want, but that's the truth of it, and anyone who disagrees isn't thinking about the bigger picture and how much harm the move would do to the system.

The Game Pad is not the Kinect; it's not just some motion sensor eye. There's a huge difference here.

Better idea: make bundles with two to three games in them each, or replace one of those two to three games with extra controllers, depending on the game.
A Pro controller in every bundle alongside the game pad would move more units than just the Zombie U bundle did.

[MEsoJD]

$150 for a gamepadless WiiU with procontroller.

[ChickeyCantor]

And make most games unplayable. BRILLIANT.

[KingDon]

They need to drop the gamepad... to bring the cost down and then sell it for cheaper. They need to sell more units otherwise the system will fail. It is not about how good nintendo are its about selling units, making money and not declaring losses every year. Simple. All the talk about Nintendo being great and all will count for nothing if its not translating into sales. Its a business after all and they need the Wii U to make money.

[Xof]

No, they really don't. If this was last generation, I'd say Nintendo needs to learn how to build a digital infrastructure from Sony, but that was last generation.

Honestly, right now, Nintendo is actually doing almost everything right. Honestly, the only problem they have is tying digital content to hardware, and to a lesser extent, having any kind of fee (no matter how small) to upgrade digital content from one platform to another.

[Sly-Lupin]

Well, if the rumor of Sony introducing software emulation b/c pans out, at least for PS1/PS2 games, that would go a long way toward repairing some of the damage.

Honestly, though, I feel like the one example that EVERYONE needed to have followed was the PS3. The launch PS3. That was a system that did literally everything right.

[Xof]

Except price.
And I guess in-game chat, for the people who care(d) about that.

From what I've read, Sony shipped the PS4 early. As in, long before the OS was actually finished. So it's missing a lot of features. It's possible that this was just damage control for the host of basic functionality the PS4 is missing (mp3 playback, library organization, various menus, etc.) so maybe they'll fix it up nicely in the next few years. Or not.

It seems like it could be true, as conventional wisdom holds the the PS3's inability to surpass the Xbox2 last generation was due to the latter being released one year in advance.

[higgins78]

Agreed. Take away the 'fan boy' nature of this industry and it is Nintendo which are doing most things right, I bought a PS4 after being pleased with my PS3 but so far things have been dire, on a games and OS point of view. Its the Wii U which is the most focused of the main 3, both Xbox One and PS4 are suffering a crisis of identity at present.

[Sincere0121]

Well said

[iamnsuperman]

Just an observation but if Nintendo were doing "most things right" wouldn't they not have this small issue of their home console not selling. Each company needs different approaches to their product and whatever Nintendo has been doing, it is clear they are not doing "most things right". It is quite the opposite

[MEsoJD]

The WiiU is a mess... Third party support is virtually dead, Nintendo still can't make the case that the gamepad is anything special, subpar network/online store, and etc... It's pretty much beyond saving at this point. As for ps4, the selection of software isn't bad considering how long it's been out. While the exclusives have been thin, the selection on the ps store isn't bad at all. Can't really comment on Xbox One seeing as I haven't spent much time with the console. How is Nintendo doing most things right?

[PrinceOfAllSaiyans]

"Nintendo which are doing most things right"

Huh ? Really ? It had a 1 year head start and its just now starting to get decent games. The PS4 surpassed it in 3 months and the XB1 os on its heel. Sure the PS4/XB1 lack must have games but give me a break they have been out for 6 months. If Nintendo is doing everything right then why aren't 3rd party supporting it ? Why isn't it selling well, Why isn't being marketed, why is when everytume a new exclusive coming out Nintendo fanboys think its gonna be the "Savior" of the Wii U ? And always end up disappointed when it doesn't save it ? I can go on and on. And XB1 price dropping to 399 for the Kinectless bundle I expect it to surpass the Wii U easily. And with the PS4 selling like hotcakes its gonna be a two man rave this gen. Sorry for telling you the truth.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

The disagree's don't have any damned clue about what's making the Wii U sell poorly.

The truth?

It's all due to lack of hype via very poor advertisement.

That's the reason the PS4 and XBone are out-selling it right now; they got the advertisement campaigns right.
Nintendo has not.
Not yet, though their strides with Mario Kart 8 are a huge step towards great advertisement.

Haters can disagree all they like here, but that's the plain truth of the matter; PS4 and XBone are selling off of hype right now, and that's the one thing the Wii U lacks the most.

That's why its sales are low.
Not because of the price.[lowest on the market, especially factoring in the fact that last gen's controllers all work with it on top of all of last-gen's Wii games]
Not because of the game pad.[which offers more functions towards better gameplay than any other controller on the market]
And not because of a lack of software.[It's got big name first party titles, second party titles, and even a good selection of AAA third party titles, and the indie selection is becoming more and more impressive by the month]

It's the advertisement. Full stop.

[Deadpoolio]

Nintendo is doing absolutely nothing right, that is the exact reason they are getting trounced by 2 systems that barely came out 6 months ago and have a garbage library...Clearly they weren't ready

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Try again when you can prove that the other two will include native backwards compatibility and controllers that aren't just mere rehashes of their last two generations, amongst other things.

Nintendo's biggest flaw is their advertisement efforts being poor.
Their online needs improvement too, and they need to get on the asses of AAA third parties about stopping poor ports and getting on some exclusives people will actually want to buy the system for.

But they're doing a lot of things right; the two things above are just the tip of the growing list of good things they've been doing.

[BenqMagician]

If Nintendo were doing "most things right" they'd be selling consoles and have more third party support.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Nope.
Even if they're doing most things right, bad advertisement has proven that that is enough to ruin sales.

That's the issue that is holding the Wii U back; it's not getting the kind of hype-driving advertisement that it needs to have in order to excite people.

[Donnywho]

The more I see the Wii-U being played the more I think it's a horrible idea. More and more games are coming out and approaching closer for the Wii-U that I'm sure I want but the damn thing looks like such a pain in butt. I don't think it looks like fun bouncing from screen to screen and holding a huge cinder block controller isn't exactly getting me excited either. People also complain about lag issues between the gamepad and tv display and that basically sounds like torture. Where's the appeal?

[Salamander]

Give it a go, like me i think you will be pleasantly surprised. I dont have many games that require you to look up and down besides zombie U.

But i can say that having the option to play games on the gamepad on the shitter or in bed is a bloody boon.(my bedroom is above my mancave which has a toilet. The fact i can watch youtube on my gamepad makes me smile.

I have not seen any lag issues unless i am no longer within signal range. I adore the gamepad.

[Donnywho]

thanks

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Well first off, the people who told you there's lag issues between the TV and controller, under normal gameplay conditions, were lying through their crooked teeth.
Unless you're standing, like, 30 feet away from the console and have all sorts of stuff in the way, you're not going to get any lag issues.
Just sit near your TV and the console and your experience will be lag-free.

Second, the controller's size is not indicative of its weight.
If you hold it like you would hold any other controller-that is, cradled in your lap between your hands- you won't feel any discomfort at all.
Heck, even holding it aloft for a bit won't make your arms or wrists tired unless you're extremely out-of-shape or have some sort of medical condition that makes your arms/hands/wrists too weak to hold it.

And third, if you want to see just how useful the Wii U gamepad can be, try playing Deus Ex Director's Cut, Zombie U, Rayman Legends, The Wonderful 101, and many more.
Also, virtually every title allows you to play the game entirely on the game pad.

You'll be thanking Nintendo for making a controller with such a nice large screen when you're able to switch any game you're playing to it if someone else in the room wants to use the TV.

The appeal is there. Don't let haters and ignorant gamers that have never given it a fair chance convince you that the system has all of these fictitious problems.

You'll like it once you've given yourself the time to get used to it, just like with any new system and its controllers.

[Donnywho]

thanks too

[Realplaya]

Who's complaining?

Technical sites have proven that there is essentially no lag. If you need proof Google it. Also the controller is perfect if your going to complain about that complain about phones, Handhelds, Do you have a Tablet? For you to use those excuses as a way to make your point it sounds like your uneducated.

[Donnywho]

Hey, way to beat up a dead horse which was my initial post. I had two incredibly civil and informative replies that were helpful. Then you...

[RPGrinder]

Nintendo needs to ignore MS and this podcast.

[Realplaya]

Why would Nintendo Follow the ways of Microsoft?

For one they have there own issues, Sony has a ton of issues.

If anything Nintendo needs to focus Nintendo they need to go into the Archives and Figure out what made them the company everyone wanted a piece of in the gaming world, also they need to figure out how they maintained success.

When I used to sale lawncare I sold 6 treatments for the following year during Christmas. Peoples main objection was it's winter and my rebuttal was ok spring eventually is coming.

For Nintendo it's never about hey Our system has specs it should be this is what we do and what we will always do. To this day since those bad commercials I have not seen a commercial during prime time. This tells me that there marketing is horrible. People say Mario Kart is advertised on Disney but I am a grown azz man with no kids I don't watch Disney. I do however watch NBA playoffs, Hockey and other sports where are the ads. Remember the the Wii commercials Wii would like to play how bout Wii would like to play with U and shows some game footage. If they are going to do anything like the competitors go for the hype look what it did for T mobile and now Sony.

[MrCube]

wii would like to play with u sounds slightly dirty, but then its difficult to escape that. Maybe since there are soo many ways to use the Wii u (controller setups), the slogan could be, "How Do U Play?" or "Where Do U Play?" showing that you can play more than just in front of the TV. Just a few thoughts.

[fly2dasky]

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