Gears 2: "Five Times Bigger"

Epic's big sequel Gears of War 2, which almost cracked a grin from Tomonobu Itagaki during the Xbox spring showcase last week, is "fives times bigger" on the action front.

That's according to exceedingly efficient interviewee Cliff Bleszinski, who says that the second game shows just how much "smoother" the Unreal Engine has gotten.

"[Unreal Engine has] never stopped evolving," Cliff told CVG in San Francisco last week. "The character lighting is vastly improved, the environment is chippable and the tress get knocked down as physics objects.

"There's just so much shit going on, it's five times bigger this time. I think it shows the engines got smoother."

[Fishy Fingers]

All sounds great, and if anyone can push the best out of the UE3 it's obviously Epic.

Only area for concern... "chippable"? So much for destructive.

[edhe]

A lot of the texturing effects in the unreal engine can and are done via code effects, not binary files.

I hope Gears pushes up to about 20 hours, would be nice.

[Daewoodrow]

I'm not too worried about that sentence. To me, "chippable" could also mean it chips away till there's nothing left, which is actually better than "destructible" which sounds to me like "you shoot it and it blows up", like the chairs and fruit produce you get in most games.

[dan-boy]

and i will be happy!

and some different multi-player game types. gears2 should be a great sequel! the first was more than good.

[CrazyMystical]

did M$ get BR?

can they fit all this into 8 gigs? (dvd9)

either they going force u guys to install a lot of stuff on ur HDD, use multiple discs, or they going to do some hardcore compression & make the game choppy like G. Bushes a$$.

[Nostradamus]

He was talking about how the U3 engine has evolved. It can do alot more now with the same amount of resources.

Just because a game is 5 times bigger, doesnt mean it has to have 5 times the storage space.

[Kleptic]

imo UE3 is only acceptable when Epic is at the wheel, with 2k Boston being the only exception...

and yeah, 'chippable' doesn't sound bad to me...Crysis is the only current game that really has fully destructible stuff...other games that claim it don't really live up to that (BF:BC for example)...sounds to me UE3 will be doing stuff like what was shown in KZ2, in which cement pillars break away to reveal the re-bar underneath...of which can't be destroyed...but it makes a really cool effect when someone is taking cover behind it...

in either case, chippable is better than nothing...

and Rein commented on the HDD stuff when interviewed about UT3 on the 360...he said pretty much every console UE3 game they make from here out will have an option for a ~3gig install...for both the 360 and PS3...UT3 had the option already on the PS3, and it helps tremendously...especially with texture pop-in, which it nearly gets rid of...if fanatic see how much HDD installations help with bigger games, they won't point their fingers so much most likely...

[BeaArthur]

How about instead of making it 5 times bigger they make it 5 times longer. The original had good campaign gameplay but could be beaten in about 6 hours. I personally would like to see a campaign that was at least twice as long.

[BubblesDAVERAGE]

Hd graphics on a last gen format.....it takes up some space

[pharmd]

yeah i agree, it was phenomenal looking but terribly short... some tradeoff eh

5x0=0

[zypher]

completely agree. it'd be a stretch to take "5 times bigger" to mean 5 times longer (that would make the game something like 30 hours), but still i hope they manage at least a 12 hour single player campaign. lack of length was probably my only complaint with the first GOW.

[thewhoopimen]

How are they going to make it longer when they're trying to pump five times the action onscreen and work with DVD space limitations? I think GeoW2 will be the same length or slightly longer than its predecessor.

[Jack Meahoffer]

Sony fans need to point to a game that actually benefited from Bluray before they throw around "last gen DVD9" every two seconds.

MSG4 is supposed to be like 15 to 20 hours? Where did the 50GB go?

[power of Green]

Seems like all of you need to work on those comprehension skills, did any of you even read anything other than the header?.

I find it comical that PS3 fans worry about it, isn't there better things to do besides troll 360 threads?(this specific remark isn't aimed at #2 or #2.5).

6 Hours?.

[theKiller]

MGS4 is 36 hours long, and around 24 hours of gameplay and the rest is cut scenes!

i think they will have to put 2 DVD's for GeOW 2, other wise expect it to be not more than 10 hours long!

[zypher]

sorry. i'm no technology whiz, but i don't see what graphics have to do with lenght of game. while not as impressive graphically as GOW, Mass Effect used UE3 as well, and it was easily 30 hours long. Mistwalker put Lost Odyssey (which was chock full of CG cutscenes) on four dvds. if DVD limitation is the reason GOW was so short, then i'd happily settle for a 3-disc game if it meant a longer single player campaign.

as to Heavenly Sword and Uncharted, you're right. both those games were way too short as well. lack of lenght was my only complaint with those too. so whats your point?

[madmike]

just go and play all your AAA games like haze runing at 1080p with 120fps jokers. ps ps3 games aint short cough cough

[Prototype]

I agree bigger doesn't always mean longer, I want something that takes time to beat, not overnight like the first.

[JBaby343]

Ninja Theory stated that Heavenly Sword was on a 25gig BR and that 10gigs of it was sound (music, effects, voices, etc.) so that leaves 15 gigs of game. Gears 1 is said to take up less than 7 gigs due to anti-piracy stuff on DVD.

My brother and I beat Gears on co-op in 4.5 hours. I beat HS in 9 hours and Uncharted in 12 hours. So yeah twice the space equals twice the length.

Not to mention that Uncharted and HS do things that not even Gears 2 appears to be doing.

[P4KY B]

Not 5 times longer.

It would be nice if it was both.

[xhi4]

but i thought it was a good length, but i geuss replayability was a bit low.

lol its funny how he takes the piss out of the 360 a bit, 'saving on polys'. That's probably what the smear effect's for.

[xhi4]

what are you disagreeing with? beats me :S

[flexbox360]

now ur at 14 disagrees and counting lol. people will disagree with anything. dont take it personal

[popup]

I thought the 'saving on polys through clever artists' comment was really sound. They have obviously crafted this game on a frame-by-frame nature (much like the last) to look at it's very best all the time with no rock untextured (so to speak).

It is that level of care and attention to detail that I hope goes into polishing off every last aspect and angle on the already excellent looking Killzone2 on PS3.

Nice to know that there are devs like this out there.

[Hellsvacancy]

they've had such little time 2 make it

[Fishy Fingers]

Most development time is spent on engine development. Obviously Epic havent had that problem as they are constantly working on the Unreal Engine.

[Pain]

GoW2 is like Epic's 4th Game!!! this "gen" they had like 3 years to make GoW1 ( was a Xbox 1 game ported to 2) they been making GoW2 since they finished 1, wtf u taking il time to make?

and top it off the game dont look like a Forth Game , Gear1.UT3 ps3, UT3 xbox, Gears2 with ut3.5 and it still looks like 1st Game they made.

but u kids cant see that , and its a NO Brainer that Gears 2 will be 5 times Bigger The game is Using 5 DVDS!!!

[Gam71]

You clearly don't understand if you think 5x bigger means 5dvds.

You clearly don't understand how games are made and rendered.
1. thats if gow1 used the whole dvd in the fist place.

2. once the engine is on the dvd the rest of the space is taken up with the graphics, level design etc.

The engine then creates the level, charchters, etc and the graphics on the disc are reused throughout the game. Even on the almighty ps3 with its 50GB bluray. Ever come across npcs in games with exactly the same clothes. Thats the engine reusing the same sprites, graphics, character models etc.

5x more game doesn't mean 5x more space.
But a little baby like you can't see that.

[psycho360]

NOt every game requires 5 years in development. Some platforms are easier to design for. They are called Dev friendly.

[n00bPwner]

the greatest-looking game ever made is Crysis, and that's only 6 gigs fully installed.

LAY OFF THE SONY KOOLAID, DROIDS.

[BubblesDAVERAGE]

I still think it will be an okay game....even if its not long

[bumnut]

it will be 2 years in between the games, i think that is acceptable

[crillyconlig]

G1, it was like going to see a film and only seeing 30min of it

[shanbcn]

"The mountain needs to go to Mohammad in this instance."

[BeaArthur]

haha, good point, I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. Obviously he was trying to be philosophical but that doesn't make any sense to me.

[popup]

http://www.bartleby.com/59/...

[n to the b]

that was very informative, bubbles for trying to educate your audience

[name]

no idea

[boodybandit]

I thought I was going to read about how much longer the campaign mode is and how many more online options / modes there would be. Instead it's about the improvements to the Unreal Engine w/lighting, destructible environments, characters on screen, etc...

[Shadow Flare]

An xbot walks into a library and says to the librarian, "Hi, could i have a big mac please?". The librarian said back, "Uh, scuse me sir, this is a library?". The xbot replied, "Oh sorry! (*whispering*) Can i have a big mac please?"

[Gam71]

A ps3 fangirl attempts humour on a 360 thread and fails...

Again.

[Shadow Flare]

Your sense of humour has rrod

[Gam71]

Careful any more and you might freeze...

Again.

[Shadow Flare]

...which is something xbox 360 is incapable of since it gets hot enough to melt the floor on which it stands

[Gam71]

Wow. How long did that take you.

But I guess your use to delays and waiting.

Good comeback. Well not really as all you have is the same comment put in a different way. Original.

[Shadow Flare]

"how long did that take you"

gam71, replying back to your comments isn't the highlight of my day, what have you been doing, refreshing the page every 10 seconds to see if i replied? Neither do i put that much thought into producing the wittiest of comments so sorry if you was expecting a tour de force of humour.

But here's a good joke: You own an Xbox 360

[Gam71]

Believe me from a ps3 fan I wasn't expecting anything witty much less a tour de force of humour. If I was it would be all hype and a disappointment when actually delivered.

I doubt you have any highlights in your life seeing as it consist of pathetically hijacking 360 threads (why? dont feel bad you bought a ps3. Games will only be delayed for a little longer then you'll have something to play) and poor attempts at the same joke. Seeing as even you with your superior wit has ran out of bleeding that dry your trying to turn the focus on me.

Good luck with that. Your simply trying to convince everyone that thats something YOU'RE not doing but you fail...

Again.

Your right about that good joke.
I do own a 360 and I haven't stopped laughing at you for having a ps3.

[Shadow Flare]

what is with you? I just wrote 1 innocent joke first of all, which people obviously found funny considering the agrees. Then you've been replying back to me as if your comments are my number one goal of the day to reply to....sunshine meet gam71, gam71 meet sunshine. You're getting boring fast, so i'll make this last reply since im on my last bubble.

Btw, NEVER seen anyone use that joke in comment 3 before, so when you say 'repeating the same joke' i guess your refering to repeating the letters rrod. You know why i find that funny? Because, i have a ps3, and you have an xbox 360. Move along now

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@ LaChance, probably cos your one of those airhead xbots the joke is referring to. If you need me to explain it to you, pm me

[LaChance]

lol
that was one hell of an unfunny joke.
Try again.

[ps360fella]

hey shadow im sorry but ur joke was a http://earrapebackingupsoun...

[Gam71]

Wow shadow.

Are you deliberately oblivious to how this site works or is it accidental.

You got agrees because this is a mainly ps3 fan site and they'll agree or disagree to anything depending on if its a dig at 360 or ps3.
But you know that and are simply playing stupid.

Just because you got agrees doesn't mean you said something worth being here. It doesn't mean the people agreeing with you have any sense or intelligence themselves and have opinions worth taking note off.

Ok so you put one innocent joke (sure) and I replied with an innocent joke of my own to which you replied with another "innocent joke". I put it in quotations because they was really ignorant comments made to rile people up and had no place being made in the first place.
I challenged that and you couldn't take it.

Eventually after you had bled the only childish remark you had you decided to pretend you were taking the higher position.
Shame you didn't start that while you was typing your original comment you would've saved yourself the embarrassment of looking like an idiot.

As for the sunshine comment. Ever hear of a laptop. It's too damn hot here and I'm relaxing in the garden with a lager.
Like I stated before your trying to convince everyone that it's not you doing what your claiming I am. Do you have a crystal ball?
I would suggest getting out yourself, or not. How about getting a personality and adding to discussion's instead of your current poor attempts at passing for something incredibly moronic. (which you succeed at magnificently)

Your comments have slightly livened a quiet day and reading your comments has given me something to laugh at and pity while I potter about but doesn't mean it's my only goal today. If you was on fire in front of me wouldn't mean putting it out would be my only goal or even a goal of mine as it's you. Though I have had a few and need to urinate so you could be in luck, whereas flaming threads that shouldn't concern you and crying at people who use your methods against you seem to be your only gaols. Well done.

What do you want to do when you grow up, IF you grow up.

Now I've explained myself twice but I suspect your still confused. If only I had sock puppets I might get through to you.

"You know why i find that funny? Because, i have a ps3, and you have an xbox 360."

If you could explain that to me that would be great because it looks to me that your experiencing buyers remorse and wish you hadn't thrown your lot in with the side you chose so lashing out for no reason at others who are happy with their choices.

Whats the matter cant take a joke? You felt the need to keep responding yet no-one else can? (unless they agree with you)
sad, so sad. If thats what owning a ps3 does to you then no thanks.

I know I've gone on a bit but its a lovely day and I have the time to.

edit:
You might have the agrees but no-one has posted in your defence.

[ps360fella]

gam71 u dont need it but u get bubbles, on another note to fanboys the word xbot isnt even funny just call them xbox fanboys

[u got owned]

@ Shadow Flare

WOW you are so unoriginal!!!!!!

[Ogrekiller]

A blind guy on a bar stool shouts to the bartender, "Wanna hear a PS3 joke?"

In a hushed voice, the guy next to him says, "Before you tell that joke, you should know something."

Our bartender IS a PS3 owner, the bouncer is one too. I'm a 6' tall, 200 lb black belt. The guy sitting next to me is 6'2", weighs 225, and he's a rugby player. The fella to your right is 6'5" pushing 300 and he's a wrestler. Each one of US is a PSdroid. Think about it, Mister. Do you still wanna tell that joke?"

The blind guy says, "Nah, not if I'm gonna have to explain it five times."

[Madmax1281980]

...which is something xbox 360 is incapable of since it gets hot enough to melt the floor on which it stands.

thats funny considering that the ps3 gets just as hot if not hotter than the 360 but what should i know owning a ps3. hell my pc runs cooler and thats running a amd fx62 dualcore 3gb ddr2 ram and a xfx9800gtx 512mb and it runs pretty quiet oh and its on 24/7 for the past year and a half.

oh and before i forget i might own a ps3 and like it very much i prefer the xbox 360 go figure..... so if theres me how many more ps3 fans prefer the 360 over the ps3?

[MaximusPrime]

5 times bigger.

xbox's eye turns red. electronic voice : overload alert overload alert. arrrrgghhh it burns it burns

[Ogrekiller]

if one inserted the GeOW2 disc into the PS3 it would vaporize
(The PS3 of course, not the GeOW)

[SL1M DADDY]

For them to make it five times longer. And from the sounds of it, the environments are not going to be all that destructive. Bummer but oh well. It will still be a good rental.

[bootsielon]

I doubt it'll be 25 hours long, i.e. 5x the length of the original. I do believe the maps will be roughly 5 times bigger and perhaps 5 times more enemies. But even that I'll have to see to believe.

[meepmoopmeep]

no they said it's 5x bigger "in action" not the length of the game

[n00bPwner]

moron. if it were 5 times longer, that would make it 55+ hours; not 25. I think you're getting confused with each God of War game and Lesbian Sword. But at least God of War rapes ass, whereas Lesbian Sword SUCKS pu$$y.

[Strife Lives]

Cuz once I played and finished it,I had to play it on all the dificulty levels.thats the difference I think.Theres some games that take 12hrs to play ,and you go through it and thnk..thats it? And never play it again.yet,I started a new game of GeOW last week to take a break from GTA4.its got good replayability,and thats mainly cuz of the two player co-op. epic, up that to 4. And wow. . .gna be a showstopper November.

[SlappingOysters]

Make it five times longer as well and we can start talkin..

and make UE3 work on PS3 while your at it

[jtucker78]

But would you want to swap over the DVD half way through the game though?

Wouldn't bother me as Gears is brilliant, but that sort of think does bother some people.

[jaja1434]

Did you mind swapping disc when you played FFVII?

[riksweeney]

Why is it OK to write the word sh1t* in the summary but not in the comments?

*Ironically I have to fiddle the word to get around the filter...

[DarkArcani]

because it is taken in context. And people on this site would be calling each other shiitheads if the word was allowed.

[Daewoodrow]

let's face it, DarkArcani, if the mods allowed the word "squeeble", everyone would call eachother squeeble-heads.

[DarkArcani]

lol, squeeble. Bubble for the word of my day.

[segasage]

just 2 xbox 360 fans...i still wonder why some love to troll.

yet those that have expectations, to their liking, have no intentions of getting the game or an xbox 360.

umm why you care again..

[Bill Gates]

I'm sure they're referring to the size of the BOOTS that the characters will wear........AHAHAHAHHAHAHHA

5X bigger my ass.......AHAHHAHHAHAHA

[Gam71]

If your a yank I'm sure you do have an "ass" thats 5x bigger.

lolz hahaha etc.

[PimpHandHappy]

sales pitch

its funny because RFOM2 is 6 times bigger then Gears of War

10ppl online vs 60ppl online

4ppl co-op vs 8ppl co-op (with story)

RFOM2 FTW

[LaChance]

Geow war was 6 times better than RFOM

[thewhoopimen]

Funny thing is that I wouldn't Gears to be 60 players... imagine... 60 people behind one wall or trying to go through a door?
> Nobody is talking about Geow2's multiplayer. The "5 times more action onscreen" from Cliffy is about the single player campaign and that is what I am arguing to LaChance. RFOM1 already had the waves of enemies when it first came out.

The xbox 360 do have games that support that many player... Frontlines: Fuel of War.. 64 players to be exact.. ohh and they have dedicated servers... sadly the game could of be done better.. but I still think the game beat most console games in terms of variety of weapons, vehicles and even drones...

> Are we talking about Frontlines? Because I could swear that the game sucked balls when I played it on the 360. Why even bother throwing 6/10 rated game at me? It doesn't strengthen your argument. What so I should throw WOW back at you and tell you it can display thousands of charcs on screen? Come-on. You ever try a 64 vs 64 game on Frontlines? Why don't you go try it and then tell me how great it is. Finally, the very argument you used about innovative weapons happens to be why RFOM was so popular. There were a huge number of weapons and innovative play to be had with it.

So, the only reason why Gears supports only that many players online.. is because is not a shoot and run game... and now Gears 2 will make that better with the addition of hand combat and other new features... how is Resistense improving to the 1st?

> Again, we're talking about single player campaign not multiplayer. We don't even know if hand to hand is being implemented in multiplayer for geow2. for ex. Who wants to be someone else's meatshield indefinitely?
As for Rfom2's new game features. It's very much under-wraps much like the real in-game graphics. Insomniac has already stated that they were using rfom1 graphic assets in their rfom2 multiplayer gameplay trailers.

uhh.. run faster? Please... RFOM2 will be overshadowed by Gears 2 the same way RFOM was by Gears 1... The graphics are already more impressive on Gears 2... So, keep ranting... it will not make your pain go away... ohh by the way... did you know that Gears supports more online players than Heavenly Sword.... lol... you fanatics are funny... apples and oranges...

>Do you really think insonmniac is going to just make the players "run faster"? If you were the developer and you had 4 more SPUs to work with and 50gb discs, would that be your "breakthrough" innovation? Please. The comparisons between the next games remains to be seen and we can throw which sequel will be better back and forth all day. However, my argument is that RFOM1 was a much better title than you could know (having never played it I'm going to assume).
What is with your left field comments about game titles? Heavenly Sword? When did we even talk about HS?!! Of fine by your logic, upcoming Force Unleased is gonna suck balls for the 360... why b/c it has no multiplayer?!! Oh wait is it b/c the 360 can't handle it?

[Bladestar]

Funny thing is that I wouldn't Gears to be 60 players... imagine... 60 people behind one wall or trying to go through a door?
The xbox 360 do have games that support that many player... Frontlines: Fuel of War.. 64 players to be exact.. ohh and they have dedicated servers... sadly the game could of be done better.. but I still think the game beat most console games in terms of variety of weapons, vehicles and even drones... So, the only reason why Gears supports only that many players online.. is because is not a shoot and run game... and now Gears 2 will make that better with the addition of hand combat and other new features... how is Resistense improving to the 1st? uhh.. run faster? Please... RFOM2 will be overshadowed by Gears 2 the same way RFOM was by Gears 1... The graphics are already more impressive on Gears 2... So, keep ranting... it will not make your pain go away... ohh by the way... did you know that Gears supports more online players than Heavenly Sword.... lol... you fanatics are funny... apples and oranges...

[Gam71]

10ppl online vs 60ppl online

4ppl co-op vs 8ppl co-op (with story)

RFOM2 FTW

Er gameplay?
GoW wins.

Just because you can have more players doesn't mean that is an accurate and proportional increase in how many "times" better a game is.

It's down to the experiance you get when playing and that is where GoW beats RFOM.

You comparisons are weak and poorly thought out.

[Daewoodrow]

Just once. Just ONE fu**ing time, I would like to see a news article about Gears of War, where nobody mentions Resistance.

[Blademask]

Every SINGLE review/writeup about the game has pointed out how TERRIBLE and LAGGY the online is in the large maps. Yes the capability of a lackluster engine pushing out the POSSIBILITY of large gameplay is 100% possible, Unfortunately no one can play it, because its laggy, and no one else is playing because its a terrible game.You are high if you are sitting here thinking that Resistance2 is less of a technical advancement than Frontlines is.

You guys can keep pushing your "BUH BUH FRONTLINES.." All day long, facts are facts. No ADVANCED 360 title of any sort can hold a candle to the PS3 when it comes to multiplayer. I'm sure if PDZ had worse graphics, it could do 90 online. Same with pong.

Wake me up when a title like Halo3 or any other title with a decent engine has more than 16 players online.

[i Shank u]

pimphandhappy, why dont you get your head out of resistance's ass and look at gears for what it is. or maybe if you like resistance so much, go write that in a resistance thread/forum instead? start a resistance fan club? Do some chimera cos-play? such a hypocrite, dissing this as a "PR sales pitch", then to go and give us a piece of Resistance's PR fact sheet. way to be a tool bag : )

[kronik323]

you r retarded coming with such a weak argument...i didn't even have to say anything to u....but this game should be good...im finally gonna get me a 360 ...i fell in love with the first gears but couldn't afford a 360 back then...its stupid how u guys compare rfom to gears ..there to completely different type of games...until a couple days ago i hated rfom but i finally popped it in my ps3 n that was such a change from c0d4 it was actually fun online...so for all u stupid fan boys go ahead n get ur panties up in a bunch (camel toe anyone :])ima be playin both gow2 n rfom2....although i gotta say i hated both single player campaign resistance got to hard at one point i had like 10 different chimera on my A$$...n as for gears i cant really say much since i only played online at my friends house...but i did play the first level n i honestly didn't like it.....so go ahead ama gonna get a million disagrees from both sides....

oh n this made me laugh its such an ironic statement

did you know that Gears supports more online players than Heavenly Sword.... lol... you fanatics are funny... apples and oranges...

i know i said gears n resistance r diffrent but comeone heavenly sword...pathetic

[steck67]

Well, yeah. Resistance was a launch title, why even compare GeoW to a launch title, of course GeoW winms. But what I dont get is that why do people compare GeoW to Resistance, their both completely different games. One is a first person shooter and the other is a 3rd.

[gonzopia]

Well, I'm possibly one of the few here that's played both of the first games. Resistance is likely the better story, but it is a more standard shooter. Technically, GeOW2 is more innovative for implementing the third person gun and dodge system as well as it did.

However, RFOM2 runs at 1080P, while GeOW2 runs at 720P.

...I can't believe I just brought that up. Seems to childish. But this is a childish thread, so I'm fanning the flames. ;)

[Bubble Buddy]

With games being so expensive, all games should be almost as long as gta4 or has a lot of replay value or great online. Or at least dumb the price down back to $50/

[Gam71]

I think games are too expensive no matter where you buy them from.

I completed GoW 3 times. once by myself and twice in co-op with 2 different people. That was some good replay value but I think it's not about the size of the game or how many times you play it but the experience you had playing it and whether you felt that you got your money's worth from it.

[Le-mo]

How can you compare a launch game to a game that was released one year after the 360 launch? Resistance 2 and GeOW2 is a much more viable battle.

[LaChance]

You guys compare uncharted to Geow though it came out one year later.
When I way 6 times of course I¨m exagerating but it was way better though.

of topic : does anybodu know when E3 is.I remeber it always used to be somewhere in May so when is it this time ?

[Bladestar]

long time from now...
July 15-17

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

They're just saying because of the improvements to the engine the scale is 5X bigger.

The draw distance isn't necessarily longer(most weapons dont fire that far anyways), but the backgrounds are much more detailed. In the last Gears you never saw mountain ranges or cityskapes - it felt a little boxed in.

Of course there are more enemies on screen, but we have yet to see footage of them actually interacting. In that first clip w/ the derrick, when the player aims at the 40 or so enemies on the ground his crosshair never goes red, he couldn't shoot them.

To say the game is 5X bigger is a bold claim, the new version of the unreal engine is bound to be taking up more space - how much is left for actual content on that 7.5gb dual layer DVD?

[Le-mo]

If you meant graphic wise then yes Uncharted outplayed Geow I and II imho, but I had more fun with GeOW than Uncharted.

[kronik323]

i tought uncharted looked really good but it was just so damn boring...i made it past the first level n sent it back to gamefly the same day....i just hope some other develepors use the engine ...it was a good try just not my prefered genre...

[JBaby343]

See I thought Gears was boring and never played it after the first time but I have beat Uncharted 4 times now. It has a much better story because well... gears had no story. Uncharted graphics destroy all anyway.

[poopface1]

cause I was watching the gameplay trailer on my tv and the first thing I noticed was that it looked like it had a better framerate than the first one. After seeing the gamplay footage in hd on my tv, this game is looking bad a$$.

[Bon Scott]

I see something I missed the previous time.
There's so much going on you can't possibly catch everything in 3 to 4
viewings.
It's simply going to be one of the most amazing experiences this gen.

For the Sonytrolls, 360 haters above me,
your envy shows through your comments.

All real gamers MUST own this game.

The rest are buffoons IMO.

[ELite_Ghost]

i guess there's gonna be 5 dvds, that sucks...

[rowdy 1]

This is day one buy for me, as well as RFOM2. But I do hate when these companies start overhyping games. 50 times bigger 80 times badder, its ridiculous.

[meepmoopmeep]

should be awesome, can't wait to see the improvements they make with the upgraded engine.

[Hellsvacancy]

lol

[thenickel]

I love the fact that the game will be 5 times bigger but really hope that the story can somehow give us a sense of horror this time around. Maybe it's just me but I thought this game was going to be set in more of a Pichblack/Halloween/terminator type of survival horror universe. Don't get me wrong part one was amazing but with visuals this good I could only imagine how deep it would be if they truly focused on horror and action together this time around. Does anyone else here feel the same or am I just being to picky?

[iconic blade]

more people online does not make a game better,4 v 4 worked very well on gow.the online co op was great and have done co op plenty of times.
was not that bothered about the length of gow because when a game is long developers run out of ideas and the game becomes boring

im just hoping for a better multiplayer as there was not enough modes,but im sure gow2 will be even better.
having said that,i still managed to play more hours online and had loads of laughs on gow than any game i have on ps3 and 360.
were people moaning about the length of cod4? no they were arguing about which console it looked better on.an 8-10 hour shooter is more than good enough if it has a good multiplayer

[Blademask]

You, I, and everyone else knows this.

People are looking to give excuses for why epic cant do high levels of multiplayer with the detail they force into the Unreal Engine. "Well I think 4 vs 4 is just right" Keep pretending that. No, you dont need 60, but 16 seems to be standard for FPS.

I guess only the single player will be BIGGER, BETTER, AND MORE BADASS.

[Blademask]

Epic.

[psycho360]

I would rather have 4 smart AI enemies than 10 dumb as doorknobs like KZ2's. If i want a shooting gallery game i will go and play duck hunt.

[angel604]

@ pshyco360..that's because they intentionally dumb it down genius.. the the geow2 trailer..the AI wasn't that smart either they just stood around being shot at getting there neck snapped waiting to be chainsawed..so is the finally product going to be like that, of course not

thats why its a demo for both games(kz2), to show off, to "demonstrate" no wonder fanboys..of all systems get a bad rep, such morons

[Trekster_Gamer]

Can't wait, yet another title that every honest PS3 Wee Wee owner wish they could have.

Well maybe not Wii owners as they only like childish, crappy looking last gen looking games....

BWHAHAHAHAAH!

[n00bPwner]

5 times bigger = 5 times more crushing power to end the PS3's pathetic existence.

[ELite_Ghost]

one game won't do shet to ps3! GoW is the only good game coming out for 360 this year.

[MANCREEP]

couldnt agree more

[Nostradamus]

Beat it by myself.
Beat it with a friend over live.

And the rest was multiplayer.

[Munky]

I always wondered how many ppl who comment about GOW in a negative way actually played the game, or had the patience or skill to beat it the game on the most difficult level. Most of the comments I have read deal with the game being to short, or the multiplayer "only" being 4v4, all of which seem valid but if you actually played the game you would know that the comments couldn't be further from the truth. On the most difficult setting the game takes roughly 10-12 hours, and thats going through it quick. As far as the multiplayer goes, the saying "less is more" fits perfectly for this game, 4v4 never seemed out of place, the game was just as hectic and satisfying as any other multiplayer game I have played like COD4 or HALO3, I would even say it was a much better experience then those games. Anyways, my main point is that GOW was awesome and GOW2 will probably be as well. Play the games you comment on people. Peaz

[psycho360]

Once again, droids roaming freely in 360 news. Get a life guys or are you tired of waiting and only watching trailers?

[Xbox is the BEST]

watching movies.

[N4g_null]

He was talking about how complicated the game cane possibly be now. The chippable can still be a scripted event where the script write just set each hit to a certain polygon group. Yet if it does this procedurally then this would be nice. I take he meant this from what he is talking about. If this game was more mod-able on the xbo 360 I think more people would care.

As for games not fitting on a DVD9? Lets see here a 9 million polygon model is around say 250 megs. UTE3 uses a bunch of 256 maps with 512 being the max. Ok take photo shop and crop what ever you want to that size. it's not that big is it? Now a normal size model in this engine is around 2-4 megs. Seriously if you can fit 400 of those with about 30-50 maps on your DVD then you are pretty wasteful. Yet if you want 5 minute to 2hour long cut scenes then you will run out of room fast. The blue ray does not exactly fix this problem because it brings it's own problems along with it and that the read and seek time. It's possible it could get better yet the developer are telling you a small fib here when they say this game could not fit on a dvd 9. They are trying to duplicate what happened with carts. Carts where faster yet more expensive yet cd where cheaper and kept getting faster. It is a know fact that data has to be copies a few times to the blue ray disk in order for the player to not wait really long periods to play the game. This is the one think that will keep a blue ray game and dvd9 on the same level because even though you have space few people will put up with such a long wait time to play time after paying such a premium for a system. So in a nut shell PS3 games and not really using more assets than a xbox 360 game. Those assets have just been copied a few times. Also too you will notice that harderly any HD game will use all of it's game character on screen at the same time the GPUs do not have enough ram to load all of this stuff.

Just adding some info into the flame pit. Why argue you all will benifit UT# was on the PS3 if you remember and epic clears knows how to make a game on the xbox also. Yet for the first time you may not need to upgrade a graphics card to play epics new stuff. It's good you guys are giving them a hard time for what ever reason because this will only make them better in the end. Every one wins except the Wii players but there aren't that many posting here from those fans so that does not matter.

[crank]

SO FULL OF **** IT IS BLEEDING OUT EVERY ONE OF YOUR ORIFICES....

You don't have to copy everything, and, you know nothing about game development.

CLEAR PICTURE. DVD 9 AND BLURAY ARE NOT EQUAL.

(POUNDS FANBOY WITH HAMMER 666 times)

Don't even start with the lame Blu seek time BULL****.

Learn something about the format. It is BETTER.

Always will be BETTER.

DEAL WITH IT.

[N4g_null]

Even developers have said this? Have you seen the specs for a blue ray drive on the PC? The seek time isn't that great hey but if it's better to you then good for you. Not for continuous play back it's great it could just read and buffer then repeat till the movie is over. Please I'm not an xbox fanboy ok? Blue ray is a good solution for some applications and SONY totally crushed the other format those are good things but it is venerable tech. I say this because it does introduce problem which can be worked around.

Thanks for warning me about my ORIFICES I guess I'll go get that fixed huh? Whats up with the triple 6 hammer? Of I get it a rainbow pentagram WOW you know what rainbows stand for right? Hey If you don't want to believe the facts then that is cool. I don't have a problem with you and your internet banter. And yes they did not copy every thing just certain assets for certain maps, levels etc.

[crank]

The worst thing, the most important thing, of Gears and Gears 2 is inevitably the terrible script writers.

Gears 1 has one of the most laughable attempts at writing that video games have ever seen.

Compared to Soul Reaver or Heavenly Sword, the game still is in the womb.

I would rather that be addressed before ANYTHING else.

[BubblesDAVERAGE]

If HD movies/audio cant fit on dvd then how can a HD game with HD audio fit...and still expect the game to be 12 hours without installs

[jaja1434]

Because they don't compress it. You can actually fit a HD movie on a double sided dvd if you were inclined to do so.

[N4g_null]

If ever the PS3 does get cracked I bet they left every thing in the raw file format. Man that would be a goldmine for people learning 3d apps! Yet that would be wishful thinking. Some of the compression codecs are pretty impressive and the blue ray solution is a hardware solution rather than a codec solution. Yet things would change in the favor of the blueray if they ever make really nice compression tech for it which sony is capable of yet don't really need at the moment. The seek time would be reduced because the data is simply not as large.

Early production runs of the Xbox 360 are equipped with a 12x DVD drive, capable of a maximum read rate of 15.85 MB/s yet BenQ VAD6038 are said to run faster and where actually the models installed in dev units. BenQ does not make junk. Even $30 OEM drive run at 16x now yet these drive go for a cool $80-90 on the mod scene.

DVD
Average access time (DVD-ROM) 95 ms
Average access time (CD-ROM) 80 ms
Average seek time (DVD-ROM) 85 ms
Average seek time (CD-ROM) 70 ms

Blu ray
Operating Conditions
• Sustained Transfer Rate : 18MB/s (4x BD-ROM), 21MB/s (16x DVD-ROM), 6MB/s (40x CD-ROM)

• Burst Transfer Rate : 150MB/sec Impressive!

• Average Access Time : 210ms (BD-ROM), 170ms (DVD-ROM), 150ms (CD-ROM) These specs are what knock the blu ray back down to normal and just plain slow.

http://www.bitburners.com/
Check it out they have some cool info on blu ray tech and developments for your PS3.

[DevastationEve]

...whoa! Just logged off of Gears, got my day's worth of REAL action. Came back to n4g...feeling disgusted by all these lame fanboys.

Well, time to log back into Gears! So long suckers.

What's a R:FoM?! Sounds like a PS3 equivalent to RRoD. Sh*t, and people ACTUALLY bought it?! I guess Sony dreams of Gears too, hoping that R:FoM could dare to compare.

...right.

[buddyro]

all this means you will have 5x more colors then you have before because from what I seen it was only just different grays. (Please don't take this the wrong way It's just my opinion)

[WhiteBoy]

Gears 2 at 720p thats how i know your a lieing sack of shiit i guarentee gears will run at 1080i and prob 1080p why would they downgrade not one xbox game i played is 720p only my ps3 games

[Micheal Cray]

Is SWAPPING DISKS after a full night session that bad? I personlly swap from Forza 2 to NBA2K8 at least once a day. It's not that bad, so that argument is null and void. The texture pop in was the only flaw for me, reguarding GEOW. 4 player co-op will probaly be like Halo 3, which isn't bad. Here's an idea; GEOW 2 packaged with 2 game disks and 120 gig hd and making of disk for a Franklin, that would sell...right? I mean that would open up the 360 for more hd driven titles, aging it nicely to keep up with Big Blue. Add a price cut to the system from core on up, introduce a counter for Wi Fit and this holiday season will be up for grabs. Otherwise, the gap will close between the 360 and PS3, while the Wi will hold strong.

[StephenChow]

actually, the length of the game doesn't concerns much about the Space. If the game is 5 hours long but it has a lot of uncompressed HD videos, HD audios, it'll be very much bigger than a 50 hour long game with normal videos and audios :)

[Prismo_Fillusion]

I'm still laughing at "FIVE TIMES BIGGER!"

Seems like all FPS games these days are about how big your **** is.

"My game is five times bigger!"
"Mine has three times more online players possible!"
"My framerate is larger!"

I don't care about "five times bigger", whatever that means. Show me some good gameplay and innovation and I'm a happy camper.

[jinn]

seems like it will