HAZE to have 4GB install

Taken from the HAZE forums,

Will Haze have a mandatory install?
[DL] You will need to go through a minimal install (about 4 Gigs) but not the whole game.

[Silellak]

Sheesh. Sounds like this becoming pretty common-place, now.

I sure wouldn't want to be someone stuck with a 20 gig hard drive. Though I guess they could always manually upgrade it if they have to.

I really don't like this trend that is making console games more like PC games. I want to stick the disc in and have it work - that's supposed to be the beauty of console gaming. Simplicity.

Give me an OPTIONAL install if I want to increase performance, but it should always be OPTIONAL.

[ELite_Ghost]

they can just upgrade their hardrive for like 100$ for 250gigs

[red_ring_of_death]

i had a 20g now its a 200g i paid $90

[DiabloRising]

Indeed. These mandatory installs are sloppy and we just don't have the space for them. Time to upgrade my PS3 HDD, and I have a 60gb.

[sonarus]

I would handle a 4GB install if it was a game i really really wanted.

[GutZ31]

Screw Haze, its not fun enough to spend an hour installing to the freaking hard drive.

[Dannagar]

I have a PS3 with a 20 gig hard drive. However, any game I've had to install, I've just deleted after I was done. I use it mostly for PS2 games though.

[Mu5afir]

I never understood why people are outraged, the install is game data not "game saves". How many games does one person play at any given time? It's a no brainier to remove any game data that is not being used, and re-installing it later if you want to play again. 20gb is more then enough space for games if managed properly.

But if you want to store multi-media videos etc.. u should upgrade.

[Bladestar]

Correction: Common on the PS3 and not on the xbox 360... Now I don't blame this primarity on the PS3... since there are other alternatives used in other PS3 games like stream loading... but the fact that the PS3 always have a hard drive, I can see why developer have the option of taking the easy way out... on on the xbox 360 they have no choice...

I personally hate game installs... and I always though it was the benefit over PC...

forbit I need to go to gamestop and asked them to let me play the game first (like I do sometimes) and I have to wait for the game to install; that if the gamestop guy let's me or have enough harddrive space... not to mention that if I want to take the game to my friend.. I have to install it...

I said it before... this will be a trend for the PS3.. since it remove the needs of developer doing the extra work... it's obvious.. just like the need of compression... if blu-ray allows developer to not need to compress game data... and the hard drive allow them to install some of these uncompressed data... then why do it?

here is an example...

if a game level is compressed to be 100MB instead of 500MB on the xbox 360 due to disc space restriction... but that restriction do not exist on the PS3 then the developer will simply leave the file at 500MB...

now the only problem would be loading.... the xbox 360 drive may not be faster as some argue than the PS3 blu-ray drive... but the blu-ray drive is not faster then the xbox 360 drive... but the difference is that the PS3 drive needs to read 500MB and the xbox 360 only 100MB...

what developers do? Install some if not all the 500MB on the PS3... in order to balance out fact that the PS3 drive needs to read more...

easy way out...

people can say wherever they want about blu-ray being better for this gen.... but you just don't make the container bigger and leave the pipes the same.... things would be a lot better for the PS3 if the blu-ray drive on the PS3 can read 500MB as the same speed the xbox 360 can read 100MB.... but that's not the case...

No wonder Sony didn't make the PS3 hard drive an addon like they did with the PS2... That would be a disaster.... with all the required installs... if this happened on the PS2 or any console or device like the PSP memory sticks... this would cost a lot of money if you own more than 4 games.

[Milky]

I really hate mandatory installs. I have 3 gigs left now on my 40gb hard drive. I have no demos or psn games, its just filled up with installs. I have had to delete several installs to play newer games. Extremely angry that Haze needs a 4gb install. Im sorry but if COD4 doesnt need install god knows why an inferior game in every aspect to COD4 does.

[solidt12]

I had a 20 gig but upgraded to a 250 gig.

[CrazzyMan]

I love consoles, because you have just put disc in a console and then PLAY.
No installs like on PC.

No, i don`t have problem with instaling 4-5GB for 10-20 min., it`s NOT really a BIG problem, BUT it`s not how it meant to be.

I really hope, in 2009 there won`t be coming games, that require install on PS3 and will have no downloads, just like Uncharted.

[Fototherapist]

I'm not opposed to mandatory installs. I'm all for a game working properly right out of the box. The installations really don't take that long (unless it's Devil May Cry).

[thewhoopimen]

bladestar, you're actually making alot of sense today instead of straight up flaming. bubbles for you on the educated response.

The only thing I'd probably add to your statement is that while I agree with you that developers are taking the easy way out, it doesn't mean they will be doing so forever. Eventually even the 50gb wall is going to be hit at with the PS3 and then, compression will have to be utilized at that point. However, we're talking 2-3 years down the line. Also, my take on it is eventually, they will probably want to take advantage of streamloading as well as hd loading combined in the future. Having 2 drives working is always better than 1.

[juuken]

I agree Mu5afir. I finished Ninja Gaiden Sigma and didn't feel like playing mission mode so I deleted the game file to make room for more stuff.

Some people...lulz.

[permutated]

I'll tell you, with all the people who bought the 20 gigs on the PS3's first cycle, I would be worried bout all these mandatory installs.

This also seems a bit ridiculous in all honesty, that at this day and age (on a console no less) we have to waste time and space on so many titles.

I don't know anyone who would want to waste hard drive space on a game install, especially on such a small Hard drive..

[permutated]

The fanboys are at work again, disagreeing with perfectly valid statements about a growing problem.

[Silellak]

Did you mean 20 gig, or 40 gig?

Because the first two PS3's SKU's were 20 gig and 60 gig. It's the 20 giggers that are likely to feel the burn first.

Though, depending on how common this is, the 40 giggers may not be too far behind them.

[madness]

how sucky

at least u can upgrade ur hd really easily and at a lower cost than the 360

[clintos59]

If it helps with pop up issues and makes the game run at a good frame rate then it isnt a problem for me. I just think some of these devs are still working there way around the ps3 and will find a way to fix these problems sooner or later but for now I dont mind as long as I get to play the game. I wont have to worry about this game though because from the demo I played I wasnt very wowed by it so I think I am going to skip this game maybe buy it later if I hear that it is alot of fun from others.

[RacingX]

I bought the 20gig PS3 because I didn't want all the memory card reader junk, wi-fi etc. A year later I went to circuit city for $85 and 7 minutes of my time it magically became a 160gig PS3. You don't HAVE to keep the installs on there either, you can erase them when you finish the game. Not arguing, just saying.

[deeznuts]

I bought a launch 20 gig. Been meaning to replace it with a bigger one, but haven't had to yet. I play a game, install it, beat it, delete it. Next.

Piratethom, only the outer edges of DVD's are remarkably faster than BLuray, which have a constant read speed throughout the disk.

Guys, developers taking advantage of the HD. We are complaining? You want 80GBs of just tiny little game saves? Yeah I know, music and videos, but it is a game console. Use the HDD for games, to it's advantage.

[boodybandit]

It has nothing to do with people being fanboys as to why they are disagreeing with you. They are probably just as tired as I am of hearing people complain about installs. Most don't care that they have to install games to their hard drive. When you are done with the game you simply delete the install. It's not like you lose your save files if you ever want to play the game again down the road. Install info and save info is in different folders on the PS3.

I almost never go back to a game once I am done with it. Besides if you are one of those people that don't want to delete an install simply purchase a bigger hard drive. They are easy to install and inexpensive. I have a 250gig drive in my PS3 which cost -$100.

[permutated]

Bandit-

It's a huge problem, it takes time and space, something that I thought we left when I switched from PC to console gaming.

People have differing opinions, respect that. The fact of the matter is, installs should only be optional, and they shouldn't be so large if your hard drive is small. Most people don't have the extra money, time, or interest to buy and replace the hard drive. You're forgetting that alot of console owners aren't hardcore gamers, so they can install 5 or 6 games tops on their 20 gig drive. That seems like a great disservice to the growing library.

[boodybandit]

People do have different opinions and I do respect that. I don't go around calling them fanboys because they disagree with my opinion like you did.

Installs are not a problem for me or anyone else I know. They usually help with load times, pop up, draw distances, frame rates, etc... I see less people complaining about the installs then complaining that there are installs.

Read the manual while you are waiting or grab a snack and a beverage. Once you are done with the game it takes a few seconds to delete an install off of your hard drive. If the install helps, which most do, why complain about them? I don't mind installs, most gamers I know don't mind them either and it appears that most PS3 owners "here" don't mind them.

You don't care for them. Ok. But you don't need to fan flames with rude remarks because others don't share your opinion.

[permutated]

You know, normally I would agree with you, but honestly, what positives could you possibly try to argue about wasting (time and) space on small hard drives?

If it were something objective, like which version of a game has better controls, I wouldn't voice such a strong opinion because it's objective.

This instance is not.

[Varsarus]

Why the hell, can't they put it as optional?

@2.4

Install's don't remove pop-in or increase framerate, only lowers loading times.

[LinuxGuru]

Wrong. Installs CAN help SEVERELY reduce pop-in (reading from the hard drive is faster than streaming data from the disc). Also, because streaming any type of data from the hard drive is faster, frame-rate can DEFINITELY be improved, due to faster data throughput.

[PirateThom]

Actually, the installs are to help with data streaming because the Blu-ray drive is slower than DVD.

The data streams from the fast hard drive rather than the optical drive, meaning it can improve loading which can reduce pop in and texture loading.

[LinuxGuru]

Actually, if a 360 game is on a dual-layer disk, then the DVD drive read speed is limited to 8X, which is slower than the Blu-ray drive's 2X data throughput.

Also, don't forget that the the 360 almost never reads at maximum speed, due to the structure of data storage on DVDs.

Blu-ray reads at the same exact rate on all areas of the disk, so there are MANY occasions where the Blu-ray is actually CONSIDERABLY faster than DVD.

Please don't become part of the group of people that are like "Blu-ray is teh slowness!111!!!!11 DVD are teh FAST!!!!one!~111"

That would just show your ignorance to the real facts about the technology.

[PirateThom]

Meh, I've had this out so many times and I have to be honest, if given the option, I would install all games to the HDD, because it reduces wear on the optical drive be it DVD or Blu-ray.

[ghostface]

Its just for that reason alone that i'm waiting for the 80gig ps3. I came so close to just getting the 40gig, but with all the installs with most of the ps3 games its just not worth it. I know you can buy a hard drive, but can you buy backward compatibility?

[Lookbehind]

if 20-40 gigers are so worried about it buy 250 gig samsung for 80 bucks..that's all mine cost.So after the Haze install i'll only have 174 gig left on my hd :(.

Takes only 10 minutes to put a new hd in just make sure you back it up and it also backs up Rock Band and Lost Planet game saves if anyone was wondering.

[CR7JUVE1897]

For around 150 bucks, you can get a really good 250GB hard drive. I didn't get the 7200 rpm one though, for I heard (and I may be wrong), that it could cause the system to run hotter.

That stupid Blue screw that you have to remove can be such a pain in the balls

[jollygoodchap8]

for giving me a chuckle with the pain in balls comment.

[fermcr]

As a PC gamer i do not see the problem with installs. If you have space and improves gameplay, f*ck it, let it install.

[LinuxGuru]

My point exactly.

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

and consoles are closing to PCs so much thgat they wannabe PCs

[Snoozer282]

And the cycle of consoles to PCs is complete.

[deeznuts]

Almost. What was the PS1 and PS2 anyways but essentially computers without a hard drive.

[KillaManiac]

naw...just wait for the MMORPGs to come out....5-20gig install FTW!

But on the topic of 4 gigs for Haze...BIG DEAL...I own a 60 gig, I play around 5 games at once...and occasionally switch out the installs of others. OMG it took 5 min to install....wow...stop freaking out ya lil wussy people (more likely just 360 fanboys who are running out of ideas to laugh at PS3 on (I AM A PS3/360 OWNER)).

[kingjkv]

OMG it's the end of the world. Seriously grow some balls and live with it. I don't give a **$% how long it is or how much space it has. I just want to install it and enjoy it. Maybe while it's installing u guys could uhhh idk open the manual and read the thing on how to play the god damn game instead of hoping to spray and pray.

[Forbidden_Darkness]

i gota buy me a hard drive im under the 10 GB range on my 60 giger and i have so many games to buy this year!

[aiphanes]

http://www.newegg.com/Produ...

This size harddrive is not even possible on a Xbox 360 or Wii...

Go get em!!!

[TheMART]

Damn so:

PS3 40GB = 400 Bucks

You dump the 40GB you paid for

have to add another 150 bucks or so

550 bucks just because many games forces to install

If you got Haze (4GB), DMC4 (5 GB), Hot Shot Golf (5GB), GTAIV (3GB), one is already f*cked on its 20GB launch PS3. Even the 40GB ones are stuffed in no time.

So actually a PS3 never costs 400 Bucks. You always have to add another 100 to 150 bucks to be able to keep playing your games. Nice.

[Vip3r]

lol, so how come you never mention the 360 needing an extra £150 for a 120GB HDD, battery pack and live subscription?

[TheMART]

@ Viper

Because one isn't forced to buy that 120GB HDD for the 360. I have the 20GB model, but no games are forcing HDD installations.

Second, I rather buy a battery pack seperate (or just 2 rechargable cheap batteries) then a whole new PS3 controller when the integrated accu dies.

Third: XBL paid or PSN free. You get what you pay for there. Where is your ingame dashboard and cross game invites, chat even after more then 1.5 years after the PS3 launch? Cheapass PSN isn't matching what XBL offers.

[LinuxGuru]

Hey MART, what about the added cost every year to be able to play games online for the 360?

The 360 is NEVER its retail price EITHER.

Point-Counterpoint.

This is the part where you say "Touche`"

Oh, and let's not forget battery packs, recharge kits, proprietary hard drives and memory cards that are so grossly overpriced, themes and icons that cost money, advertisements even with PAID subscriptions, closed-network to outside sources such as user-generated content and themes, and such.

Microsoft's got you on PAID lockdown, and there's nothing you can do about it.

@ Below

360's DVD drive is 12X with single-layer disc, and 8X with dual-layer disc.

[Mu5afir]

1. People play 1 or two games at any given time, not 4-5. So people well rarely have issues with overloaded HDDs. You can remove game data, it's not the same as "game saves".
2. Not requiring data install to HDD is because of the LACK of standard HDD on Xbox 360s. I don't understand how anyone can argue against installing data for better loadtime / frame rate etc.. frankly you have to be a moron to argue against mandatory installs.
3. PCs have been doing FULL HDD installs for years now, to speed up load times. 16x DVD-ROM drive reads at 24MBs, 20gb HDD on the Ps3 reads at 32GBs.

BACKWARD arguments,

There have been a lot of backward arguments made by fans of the Xbox 360. From, DVDs are better then Blu-Ray to, HDMI is not needed. It's astonishing that anyone would argue for a inferior product, but it's happening.

[Vip3r]

No your not forced but most people will end up buying them anyway.

As for the batteries, they might sound cheap but after several months the cost will soon add up and the battery pack will be the best option in the long run.

For PSN, it work fine imo considering its free and when the ingame comms arrive in the summer it will put an end to all the "ps3 has no comms" digs.

[pp]

Haze is a crap game i'm glad its not coming to xbox360

[wass007]

Halo's crap as hell thank god its neva gona come near the power (1080p) of the playstation XD

[mart_is_Apig]

HAZE has AI /runs at 720P native and looks better and plays better than GAYLO3 at 520P

[sak500]

@1.2

I see nasim/shmee/tanod/larry's new account. I seriously think either this guy is a 14year old kid who sucks at school and keeps himself busy on his mom's pc whenever he gets the time or is a retarded adult living in his parents basement sitting on pc all day long coming up with idiot rants to post.

[Nasim has no life]

Allah has failed me. I am now going to eat pork and pray to jesus.

[atcsharp]

1 - Hello
Its Nasim / TANOD / shadow hearts / waas007/ mart_is_Apig / etc

I just wanted to let everyone know that I am sorry for my pathetic comments. I was just upset that I spent $600 on a PS3 only to find that the 360 is far superior. Thats why I spent all of my time on this site trying to build the sony defense force.

On a lighter note: I traded in my PS3, bought an xbox, converted to buddism (I was a muslim but they are ruining this world. Allah is a sham!)

Im going to eat some bacon. Goodnight my friends

[ravinshield]

oblivion...4.6gb required
sony may cry 4...4.7gb-20 min install
full auto 2...1.7gb required
spider man 3...2.3gb-five min install
hot shot golf...5gb-five min install
skate...2.5gb--five min install
rainbow six vegas 2...3.4gb required
wwe smackdown vs raw 2008....2.3gb required
F.E.A.R...2.5gb required
NBA 07....3gb-ten min install
lost....3.6gb---six minute install
conflict denied ops...2.5gb required
beowulf---2.5gb---five minute install
GT prologue--5349MB..13 minutes install
Quake=4.1 GB install
GTA 4...5 min install.
AND NOW HAZE..4gb install

Im sure i missed a couple of games.so add them to my great list

There goes ur 40 gig console AKA black heavy garbage box
WEll all i got to say is
WAIT B3YOND or INSTALL BEYOND

[Dark General]

Is NOT a minimal install specially if there's people with the launch 20 gig ps3's or the people with the 40 gig ps3's and they already own DMC4.

[Elginer]

say it and yes I'll get disapproves but this is really one of the biggest problems with the PS3. Save the oh but it's better denial talk. No it is not better. This is why many people started console gaming to get away from the mandatory PC installs and such. Yet Sony because of them making games on brd are bringing it to the console world. This is NOT a good thing, this is a very bad thing, and is only going to get worse.

[LinuxGuru]

Wrong.

[tonsoffun]

One of the main differences between consoles and PC games was the fact that you could take any particular game for a console, put it in and play it straight away.

On the PS3, this simply isn't the case anymore and IMO, is a serious problem. I do not and will not buy another HDD for the PS3: I bought one just after launch and don't see why I should. I really do pity those who have a 20GIG PS3, they will only be able to store a few games there before they have to delete installs.

Now, I do know that it is a relatively easy process to delete and reinstall games, but I simply so not want to waste my precious gaming time (and it is precious with work, uni and family life) with installations.

[dcbronco]

Educate me as to why that assumption is wrong. The PS3 is supposed to be more powerful and the 2x drive should make it have faster transfer rates, yet all of the new games have huge installs just to keep with the load times and frame rates on the 360. So I would really like to know about the installs.

[theox2g7]

First installs are ok and whenever someone comments that they're bad for people with 20gb launch machines, they are slapped with disagrees and suggestions for upgrade, then what is the point of it being a console? First installs and now a potential hard drive upgrade? Believe me, it won't stop there, hard drive space is so easy to use up especially when you get a lot of demos, music and movies on there, like it or not, it is an increasing concern for the future, most fanboys were saying the installs would start and end with DMC4, but what happened? the more the machine tries to mimick the pcs good features the more the negatives of pc comes along, sure you'll get faster load times and less pop ins but at what cost? The more technical things get, the more potential issues arise, just look at the issues with GTA4 alone and compare to last gen San Andreas

[vhero]

OMG I am not buying because its got an installer that need 4gigs of space!!! OMG!!!! get real so what i dont mind a little bit of waiting to improve loading times and frame rates so many ppl go on about this like its a bad thing when in reality if 360 could do it it would as its a great feature... Sucks for 20 gig owners but the fact Sony has made it so easy to swap a HDD without the stupidly high prices MS force you to pay makes it all that better. I got a 320gb HDD for £65 and I won't ever need another for my PS3.

As for other ppl like they say other consoles do not have this type of storage the max on a 360 is 120gig which is more than 3 times! what i paid for my 320gb which is nearly 3 times as big making it cost about 8X more per GB. Only Xbots go on about these installs you dont have to play the game your not forced to upgrade your HDD you could always remove installs yeah its a pain but its an option unlike MS once you download something and remove to use it again you need to be connected to the internet just to run it.

[meepmoopmeep]

i have 95GB left on my 160GB.
if i delete the other installs i'm good.
but i have tons of music and trailers and demos on it as well.
i'll upgrade to a 300GB if i ever need to or when the prices drop.

[media73]

Remind me why I bought my grill? oh yes bluray not games....

[4D]

Another preinstall. Time to delete data off your HDD's so you can play another game PS3 owners. Or better yet time to upgrade your HDD. Hows that Blu-Ray working out for you now??? Not only are the games not any better, or any longer, but now because of Blu-Ray the load times are so slow you have to do mandatory installs to your hard drive.

PREINSTALL B3YOND

Edit: Beg for Mercy - I don't know how HD-DVD is doing. I didn't buy the add on. and neither did 95% of the 360 install base. Unlike PS3 owners, 360 owners weren't forced to buy a proprietary disc format it was made available as an optional purchase. This proprietary disc format caused you guys to pay alot more for your console, forced you guys to wait a year longer after the 360 launched to get your PS3, and is only useful for movies that require a new 1080P HDTV to get the full experience. Of course you dont mind watching Blu-Ray movies, thats all your PS3 has. If you wanted to play games you should have bought a 360.

[Beg For Mercy]

im glad they put blu-ray in there cause without it mgs4 would of been a lesser quality game than what it is now and uncharted coulnt have turned out the way it is, keep in mind not every ps3 game needs this, its just another option developers have, and yeah i do enjoys watching the blu-ray movies, so i gotta question for you hows hd-dvd.

[PimpHandHappy]

your a sad sad soul

unless you dont know

Blueray movies in 1080p are awesome. Is it the only thing we have? I dont know but that sounds like a blindman telling me how to get somewhere.

yes it has blueray and yes it even has games that like blueray you wont be able to play or get on your Freefixme.

unless you think
God of War
GT5
MGS
GTA
COD
Socom
Warhawk
HS
Uncharted

are movies

if thats the case then maybe you are blind

[Beg For Mercy]

i do have a 360 a wii also check my profile boy, i just like the ps3 more cause of the nice features it has on top of the gaming aspect

[n00bPwner]

beg for mercy, are you dumb? u look black, so right away you are a sony loving madden n00b, but seriously, u have both consoles but like PS3...MORE? LMFAO. you're the only one. every gamer on this planet who has both unanimously loves 360 over PSturd. trust me.

u must suck at buying games if u think PS3 is better.

[xboxftw]

LOL sony should post warning on their 20/40 gig models. Playing more than 5 games require hard drive upgrade. Sold separately at your local IT hardware shop. We are not going to go around doing it for you, dont forget ur backups on memory cards etc, otherwise ur hard earned ...oh wait no achievements or gamerscore, saves only will be gone.

[Pornlord]

Hey everybody, I have a Western Digital 500 Gig drive that I take back and forth from my friends house to mine so we can play games at one house, and not have to worry about a memory stick. It cost 105USD... very low cost, so even if the installs are manditory, there's nothing we can do about it. Especially when everytime an article comes up, we all say the same thing over and over again. You spent 500 or so on the system, why not spend the 105 for 500 gig hard drive. It's one of the advantages PS3 owners have over the XBOX 360, affordable hard drive solutions, why don't we use it? If price is an issue, because I know that some people are gonna say "But it should come in at that price" well, just consider it pinnance for having free PSN and a HDD included in each system in the first place :)

[Pornlord]

I love how I have disagree's and no explanations... Beautiful... happens a lot on this site I've noticed.

[yamamoto114]

What's the purpose of these installs, and how long do they usually take?

(And for all of you who think I'm trying to start something, no. I ask this question out of pure and honest curiosity, with absolutely no malice intended. I'd like a purely objective and unbiased response with 0% diluted fanboyism. Thank you.)

[Bombomb]

after this game is is now a TREND.

A trend which will lead to uers having no option but to upgrade their hdds.

and they say blu-ray was great for gaming....fools

[Whoooop]

But we got to be fair here.

It should be optional IMO, because not everybody cares about framerates or pop-ins... Some people actually like to simply insert the disc and play beyond.

I'm a former PC gamer and I used to get exited while games were installing, but now I do not get exited nor irritated, I just do other things while the PS3 install the game(when required).

IMO it should not be mandatory, because there are a lot of people that actually want to play as soon as they get the game to their home. People who doesn't give a sh*t about technical issues.

My 2 cents.

[Mu5afir]

Really, I never understand why people always argue about being happy with inferior products. Why would ANYONE want to play the game with frame-rate issues etc.. Sure it is time consuming to install data, but there is a positive payoff.

[Whoooop]

I agree with you....

I'm talking about people who aren't aware of what the install might do or might improve.

These same people just want the usual convenience of a gaming console which is insert load and play.

I don't mind installs, because I know what they are for, but it's not fair to people who don't know and just want to play quickly. IMO

I repeat. I agree with you

[PAPERCHASER0396]

You know it's sad to hear so many xbots smiling over what they feel is bad news for the Ps3...... Wrong... Sony was prepared for these circumstances thats why its so so easy to upgrade our hardrives and cheaper than the holder of the red ring. The only concern is the replay value of the game... If you are tired of the game Delete It simply and trade the sucker make room or upgrade...lol
Some PS3 users use their unit as a computer storing tons of music and videos that's what takes up hardrive space not our games... Tadaa

[sak500]

Yeah right FOny was prepared. They knew the droid force will take all bullcrap thrown at them and still smile. So they concentrated on making a BD player and ignored the gamers. So in the end you the gamers have to wait for games, wait for installs, wait for hard drive to run out of space, wait for next gen gaming.

Wait b3yond is the only thing u guys can do.

[Figboy]

and usually, when it comes to game installs, i simply delete the installs of games that i don't play anymore.

for example, the DMC4 install - deleted when i was done
the GT5 Prologue install - deleted when i was done
Heavenly Sword - deleted when i was done
Oblivion - deleted when i was done

i think the only installs i have on my PS3 right now is the GTAIV one. it's mostly demos, videos, and music on my PS3.

i have plenty of space left, and worse comes to worse, i'll just offload the music and vids to my fiance's 80gig external HDD.

eventually i'll buy a larger one (i'm leaning more towards that 1 terabyte external, but i may just get a large internal instead), but right now, i'm good. i don't play all games, all the time, so there's no need for me to have all these installs going on at once.

i agree that installs are unfortunate, but it's not the end of the world.

it could be worse: you could have a console that CAN'T install data, because NO HDD whatsoever exists to install the data to.

i'll sacrifice better framerates, smoother graphics, better load times, for a few gigs of space to play a really good game.

[OmarJA]

let's see now :-

no loadings
no annoying big ass loud fan like the 3fixme
easy & cheap upgradeable hdd
no fuking rrod

and top of that free online gaming you lose xbots just stfu

[The_Nexus]

Xbots stop with the crap.I doubt haze is going to have any installs, its not crapcom.They took this out of a forum you morons!!!it has no credibility.

[heyheyhey]

man, it feels good to be a 60gb owner right now

i feel sorry for the 40 giggers who got to the PS3 party too late, or the cheap-ass 20 giggers

seriously, why did you buy a 20 gig? what you saved doesn't nearly equal what your missing compared to 60 giggers

[u got owned]

Who cares this game sucks anyway, MGS4 is the game you should be waiting for and i dont think anyone will have a problem intalling for MGS4 the only awesome game for PS3 this year.

[4D]

MGS4 is the only good game PS3 owners have to look forward to this year. I hear that Transformer might get released on Blu-Ray though. I bet you guys can't wait. Oh my bad, sorry for the pun.

WAIT B3YOND

[u got owned]

lol....

[okcomputer]

The most telling thing about this thread and others like it is that the people who make the biggest deal about these hd installs are the non-ps3 owners. I have a launch 60 gig and hd space has NEVER been a problem for me, I haven't even had to so much as erase an older install from a game I don't play anymore. For the vast majority of ps3 owners, hd space is simply a non issue. It only becomes an issue when fanboys start looking for a reason to nitpick.

[yanikins111]

But i had pretty much every episode of the new BSG series on the hard drive... Listen up kids. This is why you shouldn't download illegal torrents. Buy the dvds instead.

[ar]

Oh come on! You pop in the disc, the installation is commenced automatically (just takes a little longer to start the game the first time) and it's done. It's not harder to do than start a game without an installation. It's not comparable to the install procedure on a PC. This is just lame.

[PimpHandHappy]

i could list all the stuff i have on my harddrive and it still have 20GB of space!

fuk it

491 songs
181 pics
9PSN game
12 demos
6 game saves that i now own

its not like you cant make space if you need. I know i can make plenty of space if i needed. Thing is i dont need to

anyway atleast the PS3 has a HDD. Go play with you memory cards freefixme chumps

not all of you ofcourse but still i know there is a few 360bots on this site that dont even have a HDD on there system. Its why they like to think this is a big deal. Go play some PC games and tell me if you installed em!

i have never had any problem with using the HDD like this. Dont see why its even a issue

[PimpHandHappy]

do you really think that? Do you really think MGS is the only good game coming this year for the PS3?

I dont know dude. I have no shortage of games to play. Be it The Show or be it GTA. Hey you have GTA also.....good for you

i will take the PS3 2008 line-up of games over the 360's all day. You have ONE and i repeat ONE game this year, GOW, other then that one game you have nothing. I 4got Banjoe and Viva Pinata. Oh yea and Too Human. Enjoy Too Human. Its only been in the making for 6 years and still will probaly get pushed back

i would say i want to here what you say but i dont. because what you say is not fact and in all truth its the hieght of fanboyism

[heavyarms]

freaking haze, another reason not to buy it. I dont have 100 bucks for a new hhd, i rather spend that 100 on gas or maybe 2 other games. I do see it has a big problem, i just want to put in the cd and play. If this problem was on the 360 we would be all over that wow lame that is. I guess eventually i will have to update my ps3 harddrive.

[Jrome]

I don't think people understand the benefits of installing the data. I mean, the disc won't have to spin all the time so it puts less stress on your bluray drive.

If the disc isn't spinning 24/7 the system is quieter and cooler.

Really the only thing you would need the disc is to run the game. Similar to the PC structure. And with people like Dark Alex out there...we could get no-cd cracks etc >=) BWAAHHHHA...anyway.

I just got bored...i don't know if what i said makes sense but...hard drives are cheap...easy to get...why complain?

[protekjv]

that what some need

[Whoooop]

but I prefer them on the hospital.

[protekjv]

yeah well......you don't always get what you want.

[steck67]

Manditory installs for the ps3 is almost becoming a every day thing. Oh well, I have enough gigs left anyways so it doesnt matter to me.

[thehitman]

Dis comment made me laugh

Will there be a mapmaker and an option to put these maps online, like in Timesplitters?
[DL] We could add it in but we'd have to delay the game for another year or so - any takers?

Just the thought made me rofl. Anyway installs are not annoying just dont have them as long as the dmc4 1. GTA4 was decent just no longer than that. Also I wont be gettin dis anyway I need to save my money for MGS4 which is coming out 3 weeks later. Ill be telling my cousin to get it though ill play it at his house, w/ inhouse multiplayer.

[yanikins111]

No thanks. Just release the game.

[Rageanitus]

Im all for installing
Why
1) Faster Access times
2) Less Chance of your optical drive burning out (sorry Id much rather have my hd break on my console vs the drive itself which is much more proprietory and hard to replace

I would much rather have everything uncompressed on my HD vs something that has to uncompressed the textures and data on teh fly

Whats there to complain about.... its not like the ps3 comes with a small HD 40 gb's is plenty enough unless your playing 10 games at once which is VERY unlikely. And if that were the case and if you were TRULY playing 10 games at once it means you have enough money to purchase a 200 gb hd.

Kind of reminds me of hd-dvd and blu-ray war.... if you can afford a swanky blu-ray stand alone player you can rest assure that this demographic can afford the media..... unlike hd-dvd where to focused on individuals on a tighter budget

[devilhunterx]

Luckily I have a 320GB PS3 :)

[thehitman]

Ima get a 320 HD and did wat that guy did in the vid on n4g a while back take off the external cover and upgrade it manually its only like 100 dollars for 320g. Hopefully I can do it sometime in august right before socom comes out I hate deleting things of my HD I like cringe when I gotta delete a demo even though I like play through them 1nce.

[PoSTedUP]

its ok my 250 gig hard drive that i bought used for 75 bucks could handle 4giga bites.

[Rusted]

but i have to say this sucks big time, not everyone have the money to upgrade the freaking HDD. I worked hard to buy my consoles.

Controller + Disc + Load = Fun

and not

Controller + Install/not enough space + $$$$/HDD + Install + Load = Not so much fun

[-EvoAnubis-]

Less in game loading, more playing. I'm a big fan of installs.

[nutjuice]

but not from me

[n00bPwner]

LMFAO @ "MINIMUM" OF 4 GIGS!!!!! HAHAHA. PS3 SUCKS.

[yanikins111]

i swear half the posts in here are from 360 fans. <cough>bladestar<coug h>

60gb, dont care. Still getting haze day 1

[Auron]

After playing the demo I definitely don't want this game.

[juuken]

Wow, so much complaining over an install that doesn't even take that long. I mean, you install programs on your PC's...right? Do you whine, and complain, and moan while it's running? I don't see what's wrong with a five minute or four minute install. And seriously, if you are done with a game, delete it to make some room for the new game.

I'm going to upgrade my 60gb soon when I get the money for a bigger hard drive but seriously people, it's not the end of society as we know it.

I honestly don't care who disagrees with me either.

And this gives more 360 owners leverage to flame PS3 owners. 'OH NOES, U CAN'T SKIP MANDATORY INSTALLLLZ!1111'

[iNickk]

The reason that we don't complain when there is an install on the PC is because we expect it.

I believe the whole point of a games console is the put-in-and-play aspect. That is what i have come to expect, and ultimately, what I want.
So I bought a 360.

[juuken]

But installs don't take that long. I could understand if an install takes ten minutes or something, but are you THAT impatient to play the game? You can't go outside for fresh air while it's downloading?

Good for you that you bought a 360. I won't buy a system that's unreliable.

So I bought a PS3 and I'm proud of it.

[paracardium]

I can't believe the whining on this topic. I personally like the installs..I buying this day 1 along with alot of other people.360 people will realize the limitations of their console or wait I think I read something about it's limitations earlier already. Buy a external drive if you can't put a 250-320 gig hd in.. even 160 gig's are like $70 lol.

Not hard people to do it.

[Tunerboy8732]

It doesnt surprise me that it requires a installation.My 360 has a 20GB HDD but atleast it wont fill up as easily as PS3's.Youll need a new hard drive by the end of 08 at the rate these mandatory installs are going.

[WIIIS1]

What's the point of blu-ray again? Might as well use a CD and do a complete uncompression install - the game will run faster. Power of the cell!

[Meresin]

If it's necessary for the sake of performance, I have no problem with an install. The system came with a hard drive, and it's not just there for saved games. Besides, it won't kill you to wait a bit longer to play a game, and you can always delete the game data when you're done.

What concerns me is that they *still* haven't addressed the questions regarding the demo graphics. Many of us would really like to know if the demo is representative of the final game's graphics. If it is, meh. :P

[Skater]

This sucks

[iNickk]

I just wanted to give my opinion on this.

Firstly, is that the thing that I enjoy about console gaming is the put in and play aspect of it, you can simply start it when you want, there is no need to worry about system requirements, or how much space your have left on your hdd. This is why I have a 360, there are no installs on the 360, this is perfect for me, so i bought it. I think that th ps3 is for a much more hardcore choice than the 360.

Another thing I would like to point out is the cost of the hardware in the UK. It is so much more expensive than anywhere else, especially for the Ps3. So, for PS3 owners in the UK it costs them a lot more to upgrade to a new hdd.

[Keowrath]

I have no issues with installation of games on the PS3 as long as the game is good enough. I'm expecting a rather large install for MGS4 and I couldn't care in the slightest but that's because I know the game is going to be awesome.

However, I'm not going to waste 4gigs on a game such as Haze although I did enjoy the demo, with the recent discovery I misunderstood that there was going to be 4 player split screen, the constant delays, the release between GTA4 and MGS4 and the fact I'm not made of money, this for me has been the final nail in Haze's coffin.

Maybe I'll pick it up for cheap in the future but Free Radical (and I'm a big fan) seem to have hit all the bum notes on this titles release. Shame =(

[ar]

Get used to it. It's the future for consoles.

[Swiftfox]

From what I've seen, the majority of games that require the X Gigabyte install are games that are multiplatform (Hot Shots Golf is the only non-multiplatform title that I have seen).

Now to my understanding, this game was origanlly slated as a Multiplatfrom title up until a couple of months ago. That means that up until a few months ago, they were developing on both consoles. Then (around March if I remember) the game was confirmed as a PS3 exclusive (I've also heard timed). That means that they had only 3-4 months to optomise it for the PS3 hardware and Blu-Ray alone.
I think this feat of programming was out of the grasp of Free Radicals hands so they opted to have a large Hard Drive install rather than delay it another couple of months.

Companies that are not yet familiar with the PS3 will still find it difficult to program for the Xbox 360 and the PS3 at the same time, or even porting data from the Xbox 360 to the PS3 because they are so different.

This may or may not be a reacurring event within then PS3's lifetime. (it's not a problem as not everyone views it as such). Time will tell once developers get used to the PS3.

[pow3r of t3h c3ll]

just to say that i dont care about a 4gb install as i wont be buying this game and neither will anyone else with any sense, the demo was about as good as Halo 3 FFS!!!

I wish this game was 360 exclusive because crap generic games belong on that crap generic shooter box!!!