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Titanfall’s Bots Are A Problem Thanks To Insufficient Max Player Count

Crave "During the beta, my issue with these minions is that they aren't people. That is, finding actual pilots to kill is made more difficult thanks to the presence of these minions fighting it out in the wide open. Hear gunshots? That must be a cluster of pilots, right? Wrong."

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megazero123743d ago (Edited 3743d ago )

It really isn't. and to no ones suprise its posted by maria.

jimbobwahey3743d ago

I've been playing the beta and the player count is definitely too low, it needs to be at least 8v8 because there's way too much time spent running around the map trying to find human opponents, it's crazy. The AI bots are obviously just added there to try and prevent the levels from being complete ghost towns.

AnthonyJrWTF3743d ago (Edited 3743d ago )

The problem I'd find with 8v8 is if there were 16 Titans on the field - it would be too much / awful. Last Man Standing is intense as it is.

I think it feels balanced as it is.

georgeenoob3743d ago (Edited 3743d ago )

Anyone who played the game knows bots aren't a problem. Only people complaining about AI are the fanboys who aren't gonna play the game, and need something to feel better (many here on N4G).

If you actually played the game, you'll realize that the main fights go down amongst players, and bots are there for the immersion of the game and behave in a way to perpetuate a story. And to feel like a badass when you're in a Titan. If one was to strictly fight bots, they would end up penalizing the team and lose.

It's as simple as that, can't wait for reviews to come out so playstation gamers can give it a break, since they choose to ignore hands-on previews.

FlunkinMonkey3743d ago

Well then how about they adjust the way mechs are incorporated in exchange for having a healthier actual person count? Who wants to run around blowing up blind A.I. just so they can get in a mech every two minutes??

Kenshin_BATT0USAI3743d ago

Nope bots are a problem. We're discussing this on the forums right now. They are way too ass. Most kills for everyone are grunts.

Eonjay3743d ago (Edited 3743d ago )

@georgenoob - that is a blatant lie. People who play the game or people who watch the game on twitch can see right now that you are lying for no reason.

With all the beta coverage hopeful Respawn has a chance to address people's concerns. You know, they could have an option where you adjust the AI difficulty. I don't understand why they don't move when you shoot them. Or turn around if you are shooting them in the back.

It take the bite out of the competitive feel when you can kill 5 bot in a row and they don't put up a fight.

MysticStrummer3743d ago

Relax everyone, george says it's perfect. Move along.

jimbobwahey3743d ago

@Georgeenoob

I have played the game, I'm in the beta you idiot. The fact that you're such a defensive fanboy whining about PlayStation owners says more about your insecurity than anything else. Personally I game on a PC, so I can have a much more objective opinion of the game rather than Xbox fanboys like yourself who have a meltdown any time somebody criticizes it.

Gazondaily3743d ago

I don't see why people have trouble finding other enemies? There's always someone highlighted on the map.

The bots are almost complete non-instrusive unless a player quite cleverly hides among them and uses them as meat shields as he attacks you.

The A.I bots are actually a really good addition. They function more like the minions in League of Legends than I first thought. You can even get a perk to highlight them at all times. It adds a pve element in that you unlock upgrades by attacking them but also offer tactical advantages if you can manage to kill a few of them to lower the respawn timer on your Titan.

I'm having a blast playing this and I just hope the game has a variety of different maps to play on to keep things feeling fresh.

TomShoe3743d ago

I tried the beta, and it's fun, but I'm just not feeling it.

While the bots are OK, it feels too much like Combat Training in BOII. I enjoy BOII because it allows me to test my skill against other players, instead of just slaughtering bots and the occasional pilot all the time. Also, why do people say 16 titans on the map at one time is too much? Titans aren't that durable and die very quickly. It's not like we'd be able to get 16 up at one time unless a group was messing around.

While it's still a fun game for casuals, and those new to FPS games, I'm starting to slide towards "no" when it comes to a purchase.

Phoenix763743d ago

@georgenoob - don't you ever ask yourself why it is that you have only 1 bubble???

Phoenix763743d ago (Edited 3743d ago )

Double post

loulou3743d ago

it should be 12 vs 12! the bots are rubbish..

but with 12 vs 12 how the f do you balance it??

i can see where they are coming from, but something needs to change imo.

f'ing awesome game! day one on the bone for me. and other devs/publishers should start using them azure servers... sheer bliss

erathaol3743d ago

I'm going to get disagrees but I'm a 100% positive, that Mods will be released from the PC community to bump the player count.

Its running on a Source Engine, something that's very Mod friendly, for better or worse, that means familiarity with the code is rampant on the internet.

Xbox One owners will no doubt get dedicated support in terms of Respawn fixing bugs, adding new maps and features.

PC owners will enter the wild west, free reign on what will be put out there for the mass public.

PhantomT14123743d ago

If you spend your time running around to find humain pilots, you didn't understand the focus of the game. The game's about being a Titan or fighting one, which makes you encounter human players pretty easily if you do this unless the pilot left the AI mode too long on its Titan.

Honestly, I've never cared about bots during my time with this game and I thought the player count was alright.

VENOMACR12273743d ago

Would 8v8 really make that much of a difference over 6v6?

These maps are small, you can't fit more titans. Can you fit more pilots/regular soldiers, yes. But the titans are so big and take up so much space it was be too chaotic. I played a match with 8 titans walking around on Angel City and once a couple titans were fighting in the street, no other titans could get in there. So it's tough because there could be more pilots, heck you could fit 20v20 for pilots only. But having 40 titans walking around? No way. Not to mention majority of players are outside of their titan and put titan in follow mode, so the 6v6 really could turn into 12v12. Anyone that has played the game can admit that once titans start falling, the gameplay amps up. You got titans shooting at you, human players, and bots.

Not everyone is going to love the game. Same with any game.

BallsEye3743d ago

I bet 70% of people posting here didn't even play it. Player count is just perfect. I have no problem finding players. They look different, they move differently and they are marked on the map as a huge @ss dots. This game is so intense you feel like you're on a huge battlefield, even if you pay zero attention to grunts. Bots are not meant to replace players in this game, they have completely different role. Imagine you're an officer on a huge battlefield, going through hordes of minions to find and slay other officer. It's really awesome!

Also more people = more titans, that would be way too much. Even now it's hard to hide from them.

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Kingthrash3603743d ago

it really is...bots for what? i mean if you trying to find real people to get real points then bots are just a hinderance. smh cant believe so many are defending the bots thing. pvp would make this game monumentous. dam bots are people decorations. after that vid i seen of a guy just melee kicking bots and winning the foot vs. machine gun battle i knew from then that my fears were true. if you have bots then at least have them as good or better than the perfect dark on n64 bots...it kills me to see people defend these bots.
the game is great but them bot kill it.

ramiuk13743d ago

imo and i have a ps4 so bitter sweet in a way .(might buy on pc)

i would rather them have 8v8 or 10/12vs10/12 and then limit the amount of titans on at once than use bots .
bots seems a way around a huge limitation of something imo.
why not have

6vs6 with bots
12vs 12 with less bots and let the players decide with gamemodes like COD does with different modes

pandaboy3743d ago

I'm not enjoying the beta because of the bots. It's such a difficulty spike when you are in the heat of battle taking out bots v human players. Bots need removing because at the moment it feels like a bot only MP game. The titan gameplay is really lacking too, it's more fun not to be in one.

xDHAV0K24x3743d ago

Not a single soul is surprised

lolCHILLbro3743d ago

every match i get atleast 20 kills or deaths by real players, once your above ground AI is a non issue, when you get in a Titan AI is non issue, its mainly real players and im sick of fanboys twisting the plot, the game isnt on PS4 get over it, and the game is fantastic! try hardpoint domination if you dont like AI

Utalkin2me3743d ago

Domination is the worst, it is so boring due to so little people.

jessupj3743d ago (Edited 3743d ago )

I haven't played the game so I'm not going to make a judgement, but just a casual glance at the comment section it's clear there is concern from people that actually played the game and who are actually thinking about buying the game.

It's funny logic you have that anyone criticising your titifall is automatically a sony fanboy.

I know this might come as news to you, but your precious titfall isn't perfect. No game is perfect.

VENOMACR12273743d ago

Domination is actually the better game mode I feel. Your fighting over objectives so theres always players to fight.

The game is a lot of fun. It's different then any other FPS shooter. I love the burn cards that you can use once during a match. All the attachments you can do to your titan. And lets not forget, this is 1 titan. 3 total titans and like 16 maps in the full game. Being a pilot against a titan, you actually have a chance. Jumping on the back of a titan is so much fun. Being able to get high on the map and fire rockets at titans.

Overall its a really fun game and its different then whats currently available. But some will like it, some won't. But either way the game is going to sell a TON.

GotEnder3743d ago

i have 3 extra xbox1 titanfall beta codes.the first 3 PMs i get will receive the codes.

GotEnder3743d ago

i got the 3 messages. congrats to parthelion69, bigpappy, and darkherozx. let me know if the codes worked i might have written the code wrong but i kept the emails to verify just in case.

ssj273743d ago

Obviously all xbox fanboys will say it's not..

The problem are not the BOTS.

The problem is calling this the next big competitive game, but it can't be competitive having this kind of BOTS.

To be honest this is a coop game mix with competitive gameplay. But is a coop game. And that is not a bad thing all if not most coop games are fun and that is why this game is fun!

The other problem is that you guys xboners are hyping it because is not on the PlayStation and threat it as if is a xbone exclusive and it's not.
the game is good but not that good, but I see that is fun to act immature and act like is the best thing since mario.

UnHoly_One3743d ago

Can't be competitive because of AI?

So nobody plays DotA competitively, then?

Seriously you are wrong. lol

ssj273743d ago

Idk how BoTS are on that game, for example Killzone has BOTS which are drones and you can set them on specific places for strategic game play. That kind of BOTS are ok.

But this BOTS in titanfall are there for easy kills plus i can't think of Titanfall as a competitive game, Titanfall fall is obviously a coop game mix with some competitiveness.. but is a coop game.

I think is great to have coop game mix with competitive gameplay, I have actually Feedback GG to allow us to control the enemy and jump into other's players campaign, kind of like dark souls.

RexLex3743d ago

Nothing wrong with the bots,.. If they had any AI,..

This must be the dumbest Ai I've seen in my life ,.. It takes them 4 seconds to react to you and they usually just stand at the spots,.. you can easily wipe 6-7 of them before they even acknowledge you,..

It is funny as hell

iiorestesii3743d ago

If your actually helping test the beta, why don't you find something to actually say about it and shed YOUR insight. This article isn't trying to bash the game, its trying to voice a valid concern. The guy thinks the bots water the game down as it currently plays. He then explains exactly why. You can't just say no and expect people to listen to you with the smell of Monoploy$'s fart still on your breath. Are you actually in BETA or are you a high on the juice?

hit173883743d ago

Bots are definitely a problem. I enjoy the game altho feels like cod a little in a fresh way. But those god damn bots are annoying. Needs at least 8v8.

scootscottskeet933743d ago

George.. Everything u said was pretty much wrong. Too much stupid AI, not enough ppl.

UnHoly_One3743d ago

Yeah this is nonsense.

I finish most matches with more player kills than grunt kills.

If you want to go around focusing on the grunts, have fun losing every match.

medman3743d ago

Sure. Offer more excuses for why games on the xbone are underperforming. The xbone needs plenty of them, that's for sure.

Sayai jin3742d ago

The player count seems to be an issue for some. I think its too late in the game t change. Respawn is asking for feedback on the beta though.

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Vegamyster3743d ago

Pilots are labeled differently on your map when they shoot, i didn't have an issue finding others.

Volkama3743d ago (Edited 3743d ago )

They also point out where enemy pilots can be found, if you care to listen to the chatter

thehitman3743d ago

You are right but when the bots are mixed in with real players its hard to differentiate between real and fake. You die extremely fast so any time wasted on bots is life and death. You can't even treat them the same cus bots die fast and barely hurt and give no real points. I use the smart pistol just so I can tell ppl apart. The bots are clearly an issue and in the grand scheme of things serve no real purpose then just to fill empty map space. 2 more ppl per team would be nice with less bots.

xDHAV0K24x3743d ago

Just read. Gamertag/class is displayed

thehitman3743d ago

It's only displayed when your crosshairs are on them. When there are 5 bots near a real person try cycling between all targets to see who's real before your dead. Just "read" is not just played and seen. Also to add I maintain a positive k/d so I'm not just a noob complaining. Lots of ppl who play feel the same way you fight and see way too many bots compared to real people.

Are_The_MaDNess3743d ago

also, the smart gun need 3 locks to lock on to a pilot over a normal grunt....

Vegamyster3743d ago

Bots move quite slow and have different visual aesthetic compared to real people, so far i'm yet to confuse them.

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AngelicIceDiamond3743d ago

Maybe they'll up the count to 8v8?

Kingthrash3603743d ago

can they? i hope so...8v8 no bots for me would be great.

AngelicIceDiamond3743d ago

@Krash No bots? Naww the bots are definitely stayin. Have you played it though?

Bolts-N-Rays11093743d ago

I have no trouble finding pilots. A lot of the time they are in there Titan. That's another reason they have bots. So the pilots who aren't in a titan have something to kill and not just shoot at the titans.

Kingthrash3603743d ago (Edited 3743d ago )

that a bad excuse for bots...i mean think BF. people in tanks, helis, jets and there is still some people to kill on the ground or you can use strategy to take down a tank or heli...why not the same for tf?...bots are trash...especially when they are as dumb as they currently are. why not make then smart?...why dumb? really its beyond me. how much better this game would be if they had smarted bots...that pistol that aims for you to kill stupid bots is for kids imo. this will get old fast.

ssj273743d ago

You ask why?
For easy kills, imagine if they are hard, all the kids and casuals will complain and be stressed hahaha.

Coop games are meant to be fun and this one is a coop nix with sone competitiveness.

BeardedPriest3743d ago

LOL

Hopefully TitanFall 2 will be 1080P have a higher player count and be Multiplat.

BeardedPriest3743d ago

Who down voted that? Oh well, you guys are right... The sequel should be 6 on 6 and be 792p.

iNcRiMiNaTi3743d ago (Edited 3743d ago )

I'm already playing in 1080p :/

1080p is nothing special, 4k at the end of the year on the other hand is something to look forward to

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15 Underrated FPS Games You May Want to Try

Popularized by Doom in 1993 and still making video game haters gnash their teeth today, first-person shooter games are the best thing to happen to gamers since pizza rolls. So here are 15 underrated first-person shooter games you may have missed.

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Jiub615d ago

Although the late 2000s Turok wasn't my favorite, I would love a new entry. Open world survival with shotguns and dinosaurs. Not sure how we'd get the fusion cannon, but that would be pretty sweet too.

MadLad615d ago

Lol

All of these games are pretty much universally praised. Outside of Timeshift I literally own all of these.

Venoxn4g615d ago (Edited 615d ago )

XIII, The Darkness 2, Far Cry: Blood Dragon, Timesplitters: future perfect, Bulletstorm are awesome games

gurp15d ago

I played them all, they are all good in their own way
I used to be obsessed with FPS games

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An ode to Titanfall: The last twitch shooter I'll probably ever enjoy

Windows Central: "Titanfall 1 is being sunset, taken off storefronts by EA. While the servers remain live for now, one has to wonder just how much time it has left. I look back and pay tribute to the last "twitch"-styled shooter I ever truly loved."

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Respawn Entertainment is Discontinuing Sales of Original Titanfall

Sales for the original Titanfall are being discontinued.
It will be pulled from subscription services on March 1, 2022.

Ethereal896d ago

Physical media. Unfortunately the way games are going these days game servers will eventually be shut down and you can stare at the menu and wish you could play the game again.

littletad896d ago

This is why reading is so important. Nothing to do with digital or physical media. The game, which is online only, is being delisted because of DDOS and other hacker attacks. The case got so bad that only six players in the world log on. For PC. Rather than fix it, they continued to sell the game, broken as it is, and only now just decided to call it quits. But please, go on thinking what you will.

Ethereal894d ago

I'm aware of the DDOS attacks and that this case is not typical. This game would eventually have it's servers shutdown regardless of the current situation so that is a moot point. My comment was in a general sense and that there are instances in which games can be preserved physically when official support ends.

Let's recap your first sentence. I said, "the way GAMES are going these days" indicating a broader stroke than just this game. I agree, reading IS important. I was simply stating the obvious downsides of the digital marketplaces and online only trends in games these days. I could even make the argument that the online only offering which has allowed hacker manipulation has impacted the preservation of this great game. My comment is valid in the general sense and thank you for your permission to continue to think what I will.