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Metal Gear Solid V Impressions From Nasu; Frame Rate "Butter Smooth on PS4;" "Not a Two Hour Game"

Konami and Kojima Productions are holding a Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes boot camp in Nasu, a lovely hot springs town in the Tochigi prefecture in Japan, and the first impressions are filtering from attendees via Twitter.

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thereapersson3726d ago

"Sergio Pennacchini commented on the length of the game as well:

To finish mgsv in 2 hours is like going out for dinner with charlize theron and take her to mcdonalds."

I figured there is more to this story than 2 hours of gameplay. You can beat Uncharted pretty quickly if you just rush through and don't take time to enjoy the game or the secrets that ND threw in. Most people will take longer than 2 hours if they are really trying to enjoy all aspects of the title.

-Foxtrot3726d ago (Edited 3726d ago )

Look most of previews have said it's short so it's going to be short....no way to spin it, they are trying to screw us over.

At this point other sites are going to try and defend it in "Konami/Kojimas" honor to most likely try to get free goodies or exclusive previews/interviews/info in the future.

Point is at the end of the day we're supposed to pay for basically cut content from the main game.

As people have said a million times it's like cutting the Tanker missions in MGS2 and selling them for a very high price.

I really doubt you could complete Uncharted in 2 hours aswell....maybe on easy but not other difficulties.

A ND tester got 3 hours...

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

and that's a NaughtyDog guy rushing through a full on game. Imagine if you rushed through Ground Zeroes.

thereapersson3726d ago

Well I do agree with you on the pricing aspect. They should be charging no more than 29.99 for this standalone title, IMO.

KwietStorm_BLM3726d ago

To say "they are trying to screw us over," is implying there is actual malicious intent in the studio to do nothing other than take advantage of us. I'm a huge Metal Gear fan, and even I have questioned whether or not I want to buy this anymore, but I think much of this is being blown out of proportion, and many people who have absolutely no first hand experience with the game or what has gone on behind the scenes, are making some very inordinate comments everywhere.

inmusicutrust3726d ago

I agree with reaper, 30 should have been the max price, they should have skipped the retail copy if they couldn't hit that price point. 40 is entirely too much. Dlc is not available retail so lack of ability to dl should not be an issue. Or some sort of discount for phantom pain to balance out the cost.

guitarded773726d ago

It's just weird to hear "2 hours of gameplay" on a Kojima game. I'm used to hearing "There's a 2 hour cut-scene" in a Kojima game.

I guess we'll find out when the game launches. Clearly it's not going to be a full on feature length Metal Gear, but hopefully it offers enough in gameplay and possible replay to warrant a purchase.

Agent20093726d ago

My gosh, people, you can get this game for $20 digitally.

PLASTICA-MAN3726d ago

"Every soldier in Ground Zeroes has a unique appearance. Their faces, taken from real photos, appear only once per game."

I was jumping from excitement when I heard something similar before the release of Black Mesa Source, with their revolutionizing tech and algorithm called " Face Creation" which promised to not meet any same person model any later in the game. Well after playing it I was very disappointed. Well the team only modeled like 4-5 faces and by using the algorithm they made look random , skin changin skinny, fat different props but still same person. It worked well at the beginning but I encountered same faces and models and later in the game.

I hope now in MGS, it will work better since it seems more authentic. If true, then THIS will be the most acclaimed next-gen feature: A TRUE REVOLUTION ! For the first time a game will havve a dedicated personality and will feel fresh and unique. Trust me, such feature will make you dive into the game and even forget that is a game until Kojima breaks the 4th wall in some occasions.

Oschino19073725d ago

Would love to see even a shred of proof from any of your many conspiracy theories... You're on a crusade to waste time and emotional energy over something you clearly have trouble understanding and have little to no hard info on.

I like how those with the conspiracy theories seem to be the only ones able to see through the ruse. /s

I will more then likely be buying a PS4 physical version so I can lend to a few of my friends/family. But whether it's physical or digital I will be experiencing and enjoying the game day 1 unless something serious happens to change my mind.

I find 9/10 times people on gaming sites blow things way out of proportion and once the real info/games actually come out they either never speak of it again or never find out for themselves and continue to spew ignorance. Which will you and others become?

morganfell3725d ago

This wasn't the only set of impressions to come out of the play event: http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

PX543725d ago

"Finished GZ for the first time in about 90 minutes. Total game completion? 9%. I think that tells you all you need to know."

Am_Ryder3725d ago

It's two hours if you rush. Not speedrun, but rush.

It's an open world, and undoubtedly the "two hour" time stamp is if you make a beeline, point-to-point from A to B just to complete the main missions.

We KNOW there are at least three side missions. You also have to find them yourself- you have to explore the open world before the side missions even unlock.

Also it is an open world. Who knows how many hours I lost to open world games, even ones with small open worlds, just exploring. And the MGS series is one that LENDS itself to exploration. We've never had an area larger than probably four hundred yards- now we have an area of several miles, with emergent guards and side missions.

Not to mention MGS games are _insane_ for replayability. I've played MGS2 and 3 probably six or seven times a piece- that includes the Tanker and Virtuous Mission.

Just like those, I bet Ground Zeroes is going to be more than long enough to get a solid 10-14 hours gameplay out of if you just take your time, explore, and enjoy it. People are getting riled up over ONE publication rushing through the open-world experience.

You can't compare this to Uncharted's because they are linear. A lot of the content in GZ will be off the beaten path- this is more like running ONLY through the main quest in Skyrim or The Witcher. Basically, the "2 hours" clock-in will be missing possibly more than half of the game's content.

MetaReapre3725d ago

You guys are blowing this way out of proportion. Sure it would be nice to see it be cheap at 30 dollars, but gamers these days are so spoiled. By the sounds of this game, it has high re-playability if you can approach each encounter in different ways, "3-5" as one person said in the article, and if that's true then i will be playing the hell out of it. Why is it that gamers these days say if it doesn't take take me a week or more (probably an exaggeration but you get my point) that it's not worth the buy?

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

If you bother to think about games and this video I linked, games never used to be so long, but they were fun to play and you would play them over and over. Sure you can argue that the MGS series has always been long and wonderful with its story, but if they can give a great story to wind us up for the next part in the series, if the game is good as they say then who cares how long it is? If you don't think it will be good enough because of length than wait for the reviews. Purposely find one that's a negative review and if that negative review only points out its because it's short than that should not be enough reason. If it says the story is unfulfilling or the gameplay is not as it should be, then you can call it out.

Why is the short length of a game bad if it can still deliver a good satisfying game that we can replay?

Kidmyst3725d ago

I've played countless games where before they said campaign was 6 Hours and it takes me 8 because I take my time and don't rush. 2 Hours though even if it was 4 is still very short.

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crxss3726d ago

@thereappersson uncharted is not MGSV. MGSV is an open world game, uncharted is very linear with a few branching roads that always lead to a treasure.

we all know MGSV can be beaten in 5 mins if you're speed running it and skipping cutscenes. for the rest of us it'll be 2+ hours.

i doubt most people will do all the side missions especially from what we've seen of them. they're most likely going to be "leaderboard-esque" missions rather than containing an actual story. e.g. - "find all the FOX badges in the time limit"

extermin8or3726d ago

If you have played peacewaller I think you'll have a better idea of what to expect from the sode missions.

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OhHiMark3726d ago

If it gets us home quicker, McDonald's works for me.

Cryptcuzz3726d ago

LOL you ingenious bastard!

Thanks for making me laugh man.

Looking forward to getting this game regardless of the price. If what these guys are saying about the ending, I want to experience it myself. Also, one guy finished it in 90 minutes with 9% completion. So around 4 to 6 hours for 100% completion maybe? Good enough for me.

_FantasmA_3726d ago (Edited 3726d ago )

But if you take her to McDonalds she might ask you drop her off with someone else or she might just want a quickie. Get her a nice plate with maybe a drink or two and shes yours for the night ;)

Lord_Sloth3726d ago (Edited 3726d ago )

Room service! I can cook just fine and a candle lit dinner would be the bomb! That way it's a short trip to the hot tub. Giggidy!

iceman063726d ago

Is _FantasmA_ really complaining about a quickie with Charlize Theron!?!? We should be so lucky!!! LOL

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showtimefolks3726d ago

thereapersson

i am a huge MGS fan and have all the games but no way to spin this, its a glorified demo just like GT5:P was and that sold about 5 million copies and had way less tracks and less cars

I can't wait to try it and will buy it day one but please let's not defend a very short game. As long as the experience is great i don't mind spending just like how Bioshock Burial at sea dlc was short yet excellent

Eonjay3725d ago

Charlize Theron Is a Super Babe

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PS3and4_HAS_GAMES3726d ago

Butter smooth on ps4!!! Can't wait for this game

thebigman3726d ago

That's all very good to hear. I had planned on picking this game up until the reports last week but now I'm ready to jump in

DanielGearSolid3726d ago

F*** it I'm getting it

I've made worst decisions in life

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OhHiMark3726d ago

I can't decide if Final Fantasy XIII or dating a Mormon was worse.

LordMaim3725d ago

Final Fantasy XIII. Sadly. :(

JohnnyRico3053726d ago

Say thing I said. Bubble for you.

jessupj3726d ago

Thank you for contributing to the degradation of this great industry and becoming an enabler of publishers and developers that do this kind of BS, while I exhibit a little self control (which isn't that hard btw, and I'm a huge mgs fan) in a futile attempt to stop said BS from happening again.

smh...

Oschino19073725d ago

You care way too much about something you know very little about... why not reserve judgement till you get a chance to experience first hand or read/watch a few full reviews???

SMH at all of you going off the chain who will backtrack or attempt to justify your arguement/view in the coming weeks/months knowing you were wrong and jumping the gun in the most cynical of ways.

Usually we get a break but between this and TR:DE some have been on a Negative Nancy trip Debbie Downer'ing everything based on out of context quotes.

theshredded3725d ago

tell that to something actually bad like Titanfall where mp only games will rise if that shit succeeds

WitWolfy3725d ago

YEah I'd get it too, fudge it I bought a Wii U Nothing can top that.!

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TomahawkX3726d ago

"Not a Two Hour Game"

no, its a 1.5 hour game!

but seriously i kid, i kid.

Counting down the days when I get to play this myself!

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The Metal Gear series has sold over 59.8 million copies

300,000 Metal Gear games were sold during the first quarter of 2023, Konami has announced, bringing the total number to 59.8 million.

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FallenAngel1984344d ago

Still waiting on Konami to put the MGS Collection back on digital stores

Nyxus344d ago

I know right? And rerelease the games for current gen systems while they're at it.

just_looken344d ago

Do not worry they will give use those pichincko remakes for top dollar soon.

Metal gear solid 3 in the fox engine looked/ran amazing but was sealed away :(

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Sarcasm344d ago

I know re-makes and stuff have been played to death this generation.

But damn I wouldn't mind an MGS4 remake

gold_drake343d ago

i played it quite recently and it holds up very well

CantThinkOfAUsername343d ago

It does, but a remake will be available on platforms other than PS3.

itsmebryan344d ago

I thought the series would have sold more over all these years and different releases.

Ready4nxtgen344d ago

Yeah I would have thought over 150 Mil. Something.missing here

Nyxus344d ago

Metal Gear isn't that big, and there hasn't been a new release in years. Also MGS2 and 3 are still missing from digital storefronts.

shinoff2183344d ago

5 mgs games in total if I'm not mistaken. 59 60 million seems about right. Mgs is dope to some of us but it would be hard for a lot of regulars to understand

ChasterMies344d ago

I would love to buy MGS4 but it’s still a PS3 exclusive.

JEECE344d ago

Although there are notable exceptions (GTA, certain first-party Nintendo games, Gran Turismo), as a rule games didn't sell as much in earlier generations as they have in the past few generations. So a lot of PS1-PS2 era titles that are viewed as seminal games didn't actually sell all that much by today's standards (yes, despite the large install bases of those systems lol). I remember a similar surprised reaction happening a few months ago when Square announced the total overall sales of Final Fantasy VII.

Deathdeliverer344d ago

Some of the best fun you can have online was the first metal gear online and to a lesser, but still fun to an extent, MGO2. The magazine, CQC, stealth, and tactical play Vs real players is just a blast. Not to mention playing Snake vs everyone? Amazing. The game will never be the same without Hideo, but Konami can definitely update what’s already there and take my money.

ceyoga344d ago

You wouldn't be talking about the OG MGO that was included with MGS3:S would you? It's rare running into another former player. Those were some of the best memories of any online game I had.

Deathdeliverer344d ago

Yes my man!! That seems like the BEST game that nobody played! Tranquilizer pistol, drag the body to a corner and lay a girly mag right by their head so they wake up and instantly get caught by the mag. You could get real toxic if you wanted at that point, but man that game was incredible! The only thing annoying was that damn Konami ID

P_Bomb344d ago

Did my part!

“You’re pretty good” 🫡

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Kojima looks back on Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes on its 9th anniversary

Hideo Kojima: "After the launch, many people seemed to expect GZ to be a full game."

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-Foxtrot402d ago

People would have gotten “your intention” if you stated it from the beginning but people didn’t want smaller episode like MGS games.

He should have just focused on MGSV and work Ground Zeroes into that game instead

I_am_Batman402d ago

I don't remember there being confusion over Ground Zeroes being a full game. But then again I was just starting to catch up on the MGS series as a whole at that point so I might've not paid enough attention or simply have forgotten that there was confusion about it. I bet the whole Moby Dick Studios thing didn't help the casual observer understand what the hell was going on though.

I only got both MGSV games when Phantom Pain was already out and I kinda agree that it probably would've sucked if I had to wait one and a half years to pay The Phantom Pain after Ground Zeroes.

jambola402d ago

I'm sorry what now?
Who expected that?
If it was meant to be episodic or an experiment for that, the price should / would have reflected that

MadLad402d ago (Edited 402d ago )

To be fair, there really wasn't enough content to actually justify even the smaller price tag. It was still half the cost of a full game, yet a 20th of the content.

I can't stand these paid glorified demos.

CrimsonWing69402d ago

Honestly, it was basically similar to the FF15 Duscae demo. My theory is he was taking too damn long to make a game and Konami was like, “Sell what you got!” It just has kind of a scummy corporate “let’s sell this demo for half the price of a full game,” feel to it.

That’s just my take on it. I love Kojima and I love the MGS series, but this and 5 were the biggest let downs, ever. Clearly unfinished work forced out because, in Konami’s defense, Kojima was going over budget and taking forever on the project.

MIDGETonSTILTS17402d ago

Lol, I loved Ground Zeroes, but releasing that level at $40 during a dryspell for games at the onset of the new gen was an obvious cash grab.

I handed over my money happily, but plenty of non-diehard fans were understandably letdown by the scale of what $40 bought them.

Chocoburger402d ago

The price was originally $40 for the physical PS4 and XBO versions, but due to controversy it dropped down to $30 before launch. And as much as I love GZ, and even bought it twice, I do agree that $30 was too much. It should have launched at $20.

https://kotaku.com/konami-c...

staticall402d ago

I don't know how about anyone else. But i've bought it for $20 1 week after release (or $15, don't remember the exact exchange rate) and spent 24 hours beating every mission and getting all the steam achievements. I was 100% aware what the game was about beforehand though and i did enjoy every second of it. I knew it was a work in progress and it was probably the best and less restrictive game i've played in a long time (and controls were just perfect).

Even previous MGS games didn't gave me that much freedom as Ground Zeroes did.
Love stealth? Got you covered.
Want to speedrun? Here's the timer.
Wanna kill everyone? No problem, grab that AK then and let's party.
Wanna cause chaos? Just tell Pequod where to land.
Love to drive? Then go ahead.
Miss Raiden? Then play as him.

I wish they would continue MGSV, finish remaining chapters and add more missions as DLCs, there was SO many options... A poor man still can dream...

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Metal Gear Solid V Is The Greatest Stealth Game Ever Made

Hideo Kojima was dealing with a hostile publisher who was pulling his team’s game apart at the seams in order to launch in some form of finished state, and it’s still downright masterful. Everything about it is mechanically focused and aesthetically nuanced, and not a single thing feels out of place or without purpose. Big Boss moves about each environment with a pace that provides the perfect cadence to use all manner of gadgets in whatever ways you like.

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Mobis-New-Nest574d ago

You are incorrect and I will be taking this time to correct you. The Legend of Zelda Wind Waker Forsaken Fortress is stealth that no game has yet to match. Having Link, crawl, sneak and hide under a barrel is innovative stealth that Metal Gear Solid, Splinter Cell, Thief and Tenchu wish they had achieved. I rest my case.

ChubbyBlade574d ago

Cardboard box beats barrel

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got_dam574d ago

Lol I see what you did there.

fr0sty574d ago

So tired of opinion pieces... I come here for hot news, not hot takes.

-Foxtrot574d ago

Shit Metal Gear Solid game though

It's boring, empty, repetitive

Great mechanics and gameplay but it's just so dull....

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Chard575d ago

I played it long after the hype had settled, and I had a blast with it. Strip away the disappointment over what it could have been, and you're still left with a great game

porkChop574d ago

The gameplay loop was phenomenal, no question. From a gameplay standpoint it's an incredible stealth game.

porkChop574d ago

"Hideo Kojima was dealing with a hostile publisher who was pulling his team’s game apart at the seams in order to launch in some form of finished state, and it’s still downright masterful."

Let's not pretend Kojima was entirely innocent there. The game was 5+ years into development, way over budget, and wasn't even halfway done. That's why Chapter 2 is so unfinished and Chapter 3 was scrapped entirely. He was wasting time micromanaging and second-guessing everything his team was doing, and little to no progress was being made. The same thing happened with MGS: Rising. That's why the game got rebooted as MGR: Revengeance and was handed off to Platinum. That's the only way the game was going to get finished. And yet after wasting millions on a scrapped game, MGR only went on to sell a little over 1 million units. It was a failure no matter how you look at it.

That's why Kojima was "locked away" in his office for the final 6 months of development of MGSV. So the team could actually piece together and finish the game. Was Konami just supposed to let Kojima spend more than a decade with infinite funds to make one game? Kojima isn't Rockstar, his games don't sell 170+ million units. At some point the game has to come out.

I get that Konami are a garbage company but they aren't solely responsible for what happened with Kojima. As much as I love his games and will always be a fan, MGSV was almost entirely Kojima's fault and I'm tired of people pretending that it wasn't.

MIDGETonSTILTS17574d ago

Sounds like mismanagement by Konami.

generic-user-name574d ago

Can you prove any of what you're claiming? Because I've seen Kojima build a studio and release a AAA game in 3 years with Death Stranding. All I'm seeing here are the same conspiracy theories that people like to believe to confirm their biases towards certain people, same with Neil Druckmann. For instance, MGSV may have been in development for a while but you leave out that he was also having the FOX Engine developed alongside it, an engine so good that MGSV ran at 60fps on a PS4.

He's gone on record disputing that he ever goes over budget on very rarely has to delay his titles.

"He was wasting time micromanaging and second-guessing everything his team was doing, and little to no progress was being made."

Where did you get this from?

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Workshyskiver574d ago

Best gameplay of the series hand down, its not even close. Worst story in the series hand down, its not even close.

Ezio2048574d ago

But that ending though with amazing music. The Man who sold the world.

1Victor574d ago

I can’t say it’s the best or the worse to me I stopped playing metal gear at the end of 4 the official end of the snakes saga and the best in my book was 3 snake eater excellent gameplay and excellent story telling giving us the reason for big boss to go and create his own country before the metal gear saga on the 4-8 bits consoles.

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