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Why Metal Gear Solid 5: Ground Zeroes Is A Joke

VideoGamer: "Konami’s full-price demo is an exploitation of fan affection, and could set an alarming precedent."

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s8anicslayer3742d ago

2 hour completion time + 39.99 is = Fail....nude said!

WeAreLegion3742d ago

Nude? Don't even correct it. Stick to your guns.

s8anicslayer3742d ago

Lmao! My spell check changed nuff to nude and I didn't even know until I got your reply notification....The for the heads up!

Oschino19073742d ago

Well good thing it will be plenty over 2 hours worth of play time when you include the side missions and exclusive ones. Not to mention being able to tackle them in multiple ways meaning >1 play through to experience it all.

Also I wasn't aware the only way to play it was to buy it day one physical for next gen. Didn't realize there aren't any other versions or ways to gain access to the game (renting, trading, waiting for price drop, etc...). /s

Sharingan_no_Kakashi3742d ago

So true.

I don't know what people don't get about this.

The game is only 20-30 on psn and it has phenomenal replay value. I have no complaints about it. It's worth the money.

nohopeinc3742d ago

I agree with you because you are correct. It is just a shame the most vocal group are the group that is complaining about the cost to length ratio.

Don't buy it, that is all you have to do. Have you no self control?

Minecraft literally has no end so are we to believe all you complaining would pay an infinite amount of money for it?

BiggCMan3742d ago

2 to 5 hour game at 20 dollars, seems about reasonable if people are ok with Journey, Flower, Walking Dead, and other popular 15 to 20 dollar titles. People getting so stuck up over the 40 dollar version that they forget it will be available for 20 dollars.

Don't get it if you decide, but realize there is a HALF OFF option that is just as easily accessible.

Oschino19073742d ago (Edited 3742d ago )

To add to that I would also say it will be a very high quality game on a new engine that will blow away any other game that cost the same or similar new.

I expect a to spend atleast 2 hours just taking it all in and marveling at the insane amount of detail.

McScroggz3742d ago

If you want a filet for dinner but it's too expensive you can still buy a skirt steak. It's still a steak, right!

The fact is anybody who has a next gen system is going to want it to take advantage of the enormous power difference. Sure, you could make the argument that it's only $30 digital but A) you then lose all resale value and B) a lot of people still prefer physical copies.

But regardless of that, it's the precedent that's being set that is troubling. Ground Zeroes, for all intents and purposes, is a demo with a few side missions. Charging $30-40 for a demo is just wrong.

GuyThatPlaysGames3742d ago (Edited 3742d ago )

Last time I checked, I believe Flower was only $5 if that. Far from your said $20-$40.

redwin3742d ago

I wonder, if Microsoft would do this with Halo, what would you say about Microsoft ? ........ Your first though .... There is your answer! I'm buying Groung Zeroes anyway, but this is the first and last time I let them take advantage of me this way.

bryam19823742d ago

if i.buy the digital version for my ps4 do i get the extra.content???

DevilishSix3741d ago

Hey BiggCMan its not available for $20 its available for $30 digi and $40 disc.

Flower was a $10 game at launch and Journey was $15 or 20 can't remember, but they weren't 30 or 40.

Defending this blantant rip off of the series fans is what is ruining this industry.

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captain_slow823742d ago

been reading naughty mags before posting eh eh lol :P
messing

anyways im going to wait till it drops to £10 before i play it as much as i like mgs 2 hours story isnt worth £30 imo

assdan3742d ago (Edited 3742d ago )

It's not just 2 hours. It's also has five side ops. I'm gonna be pissed unless I they are all an hour each at least (I'm highly doubting that). The biggest reason I can't justify this purchase, is because I compared it to peace walker. I spend close to 200 hours on that game one summer, and I only replayed some of the boss fights etc. If I wouldn't have replayed one mission in MGSPW though, I would have still gotten close to 100 hours out of that game, still. Peace walker and ground zeroes aren't even in the same ball park of value. The entire idea of what they're doing is just wrong. Yeah, this is a REALLY good demo, but not worth $30. Konami thought that they could get away with this BS because MGS is arguably the most beloved series of all time. But that doesn't mean lovers of the game will just blindly buy the crap they're slinging. I'm going to get ground zeroes because I really want more MGS, but the max I'm paying is $15 because that's what this thing is worth. I hope almost no one buys this game at launch to prove a point to Konami. They can't get away with this BS. And this NEEDS to happen. No one should buy this just out of principal. I don't want a precedent to be set where this is common practice.

SnotyTheRocket3742d ago

"Konami’s full-price demo..." It's not full-price, but okay.

supersonicjerry3742d ago

most likely played on easy and just ran through and took 2 hours

Everlastingfate3741d ago

I think "thx" autocorrected to "the."

Autocorrect is not your friend today.

moujahed3741d ago

So everyone thinks you have no choice but to pay 40$ Okay... This board is full of, well... special people.

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Kyosuke_Sanada3742d ago

Great read, the future is bleak if this practice manages to set roots in the industry.

zerocrossing3742d ago (Edited 3742d ago )

Exactly! This is what so many people are missing. Such a thing could set a damaging precedent if this practice became an acceptable industry norm.

EA have already demonstrated how easy it is to ruin a good thing such as F2P and DLC.

Sharingan_no_Kakashi3742d ago

I'm pretty sure Kojima and Kazunori are the only ones who can get away with this. And it's still very arguable that prologue and ground zeroes are worth the money. Games like COD or even Assassin's Creed won't find much success doing this if they tried.

admiralvic3742d ago

"Exactly! This is what so many people are missing. Such a thing could set a damaging precedent if this practice became an acceptable industry norm. "

-rolls eyes-

Some people, like yourself, think this is some sort of holy crusade and the people that don't stand against Ground Zeroes are damaging the industry. I got news, Ground Zeroes is not the first game to charge $30+ dollars for a 2 hour game. It isn't even the only game in the past 3 to 4 months to ask that much for a 2 hour game.

However, like so many stances people take against games, it is never the first game that does it or even the worst game...

Sorcery Saga has Always Online DRM on the Vita.
Super Monkey Ball had locked saves before Biohazard Mercenary.
Blazblue was charging for pallet swaps before Capcom and has some of the worst DLC practices in the whole industry.

However, we instead hear nothing about Sorcery Saga, Monkey Ball is given a pass because no one "cares" and Arc System Works can do whatever they want because Capcom is the most evilest company like evah.

All I want to know is, where were you people ****ing about length and value when Tearaway came out? That game can easily be completed in 2 hours and had a $40 dollar MSRP, yet I've never seen anyone on this site speak ill of it and many STILL regard it as the best Vita game. In fact, many people said "quality is more important than length and in this case, Tearaway is amazing".

How about Metal Gear Rising? That was a game that could be completed in 5 hours with HEAVY searching. The Bracelet of Time could be unlocked in Bayonetta if you beat the game in under 3 hours. ICO can be completed in 2 hours if you wanted to, same with God of War and many other games.

In the end, some people act like this is the first game, when it is far from it. You want precedent, go look at Tearaway, Metal Gear Rising, Anarchy Reigns (That cost $90 retail in Japan) and many many many more games. However, I'll just take my disagrees and people can try to explain how this is somehow different.

nohopeinc3742d ago

If it became normal practice would that not indicate that the market that is driven by the buyer is in fact accepting this new practice?

After all you only buy it if you want to, Konami doesn't have access directly to your money, so if you don't participate buy not buying it that kudos to you. If you do buy it because you want it, well kudos to you.

Because you are the one that holds your consumer choice, it will be nobody but your own fault if you do or do not buy it.

Every time I read one of the tinfoil hat, your a sheeple, the corporate agenda articles, I feel like our species has become to entitled. Everything is a ploy if it isn't free, even the F2P games are a ploy. Well duh? Since when did companies start doing business with the intent to not make profit?

Hellsvacancy3742d ago

You might aswel not play it and wait for the full release if it's only 2 hours long, it'll just p!ss you off even more that you've got to wait

kind of like a women (or loved one) doing......... "something" to you, and then not finishing you off, they just leave room "i'll come back later"

Kyosuke_Sanada3742d ago

With 40 dollars in their pocket? XD

Iltapalanyymi3742d ago

Why The Author Of This Article Is A Joke

TheGreatAndPowerful3742d ago

What's with all the hate for MG these days?

Kyosuke_Sanada3742d ago

When somebody does things that people hate, people tend to respond back........hatefully.

TheGreatAndPowerful3742d ago

But the response that this issue is getting is just a little over dramatic at this point. If you don't like what these people are doing then don't support it.. problem over.

N2NOther3742d ago

@TheGreatAndPowerful

It's because people see this as not only a rip-off but also, like the article said, likely set a bad precedent. Trying to be vocal about it to raise awareness of the problem is only beneficial to us as gamers and more importantly consumers.

The way game companies have turned our beloved hobby into money making schemes is downright disgusting. If this sells well it sends a message that it's OK and you can bet all $40 and then some that other publishers will try to do the same.

There is nothing over dramatic about saying $40 for 2 hours of game is wrong.

Kyosuke_Sanada3742d ago (Edited 3742d ago )

You got to drill it in their head why it isn't a good idea. Indifference is treated as acceptance nowadays which is why things like DLC, incomplete games and other issues we have now have grown out of control. People have to know what's going in the industry so practices like this isn't going through the cracks.

Back in the day you would have game journalists to do their job but you've seen too many of them become apologists so they can get perks from developers and such. Hell if I didn't scour the internet for news on titles like Battlefield 4 and Skyrim which got high marks in reviews, I would have been stuck with unplayable messes on Day One.

zerocrossing3742d ago

People aren't hating MGS, they're hating Konami's poor decisions with handling it.

Sephiroushin3742d ago (Edited 3742d ago )

So, why does it bother you if some people are speaking up what they think? ...
You do like what they're doing?! then support it...
Problem over.

Edit: But seriously, don't cry up later because every publisher decide to cut 10% of the full game and sells it to you as a the 1st part of the game when in fact it's a demo/trial!

captain_slow823742d ago (Edited 3742d ago )

its not hate but would u go out and buy an mgs game for £70? no you wouldnt and not many would

and this is how there getting around a season pass alot of games want u to buy into now a days

can we sell a full game at £80 ish or do we break up the game and sell it in sections? works for most multiplayer shooter rite?

and ping there ya have it :D

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The Metal Gear series has sold over 59.8 million copies

300,000 Metal Gear games were sold during the first quarter of 2023, Konami has announced, bringing the total number to 59.8 million.

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FallenAngel1984357d ago

Still waiting on Konami to put the MGS Collection back on digital stores

Nyxus357d ago

I know right? And rerelease the games for current gen systems while they're at it.

just_looken356d ago

Do not worry they will give use those pichincko remakes for top dollar soon.

Metal gear solid 3 in the fox engine looked/ran amazing but was sealed away :(

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Sarcasm356d ago

I know re-makes and stuff have been played to death this generation.

But damn I wouldn't mind an MGS4 remake

gold_drake356d ago

i played it quite recently and it holds up very well

CantThinkOfAUsername356d ago

It does, but a remake will be available on platforms other than PS3.

itsmebryan356d ago

I thought the series would have sold more over all these years and different releases.

Ready4nxtgen356d ago

Yeah I would have thought over 150 Mil. Something.missing here

Nyxus356d ago

Metal Gear isn't that big, and there hasn't been a new release in years. Also MGS2 and 3 are still missing from digital storefronts.

shinoff2183356d ago

5 mgs games in total if I'm not mistaken. 59 60 million seems about right. Mgs is dope to some of us but it would be hard for a lot of regulars to understand

ChasterMies356d ago

I would love to buy MGS4 but it’s still a PS3 exclusive.

JEECE356d ago

Although there are notable exceptions (GTA, certain first-party Nintendo games, Gran Turismo), as a rule games didn't sell as much in earlier generations as they have in the past few generations. So a lot of PS1-PS2 era titles that are viewed as seminal games didn't actually sell all that much by today's standards (yes, despite the large install bases of those systems lol). I remember a similar surprised reaction happening a few months ago when Square announced the total overall sales of Final Fantasy VII.

Deathdeliverer356d ago

Some of the best fun you can have online was the first metal gear online and to a lesser, but still fun to an extent, MGO2. The magazine, CQC, stealth, and tactical play Vs real players is just a blast. Not to mention playing Snake vs everyone? Amazing. The game will never be the same without Hideo, but Konami can definitely update what’s already there and take my money.

ceyoga356d ago

You wouldn't be talking about the OG MGO that was included with MGS3:S would you? It's rare running into another former player. Those were some of the best memories of any online game I had.

Deathdeliverer356d ago

Yes my man!! That seems like the BEST game that nobody played! Tranquilizer pistol, drag the body to a corner and lay a girly mag right by their head so they wake up and instantly get caught by the mag. You could get real toxic if you wanted at that point, but man that game was incredible! The only thing annoying was that damn Konami ID

P_Bomb356d ago

Did my part!

“You’re pretty good” 🫡

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Kojima looks back on Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes on its 9th anniversary

Hideo Kojima: "After the launch, many people seemed to expect GZ to be a full game."

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-Foxtrot415d ago

People would have gotten “your intention” if you stated it from the beginning but people didn’t want smaller episode like MGS games.

He should have just focused on MGSV and work Ground Zeroes into that game instead

I_am_Batman415d ago

I don't remember there being confusion over Ground Zeroes being a full game. But then again I was just starting to catch up on the MGS series as a whole at that point so I might've not paid enough attention or simply have forgotten that there was confusion about it. I bet the whole Moby Dick Studios thing didn't help the casual observer understand what the hell was going on though.

I only got both MGSV games when Phantom Pain was already out and I kinda agree that it probably would've sucked if I had to wait one and a half years to pay The Phantom Pain after Ground Zeroes.

jambola415d ago

I'm sorry what now?
Who expected that?
If it was meant to be episodic or an experiment for that, the price should / would have reflected that

MadLad415d ago (Edited 415d ago )

To be fair, there really wasn't enough content to actually justify even the smaller price tag. It was still half the cost of a full game, yet a 20th of the content.

I can't stand these paid glorified demos.

CrimsonWing69414d ago

Honestly, it was basically similar to the FF15 Duscae demo. My theory is he was taking too damn long to make a game and Konami was like, “Sell what you got!” It just has kind of a scummy corporate “let’s sell this demo for half the price of a full game,” feel to it.

That’s just my take on it. I love Kojima and I love the MGS series, but this and 5 were the biggest let downs, ever. Clearly unfinished work forced out because, in Konami’s defense, Kojima was going over budget and taking forever on the project.

MIDGETonSTILTS17415d ago

Lol, I loved Ground Zeroes, but releasing that level at $40 during a dryspell for games at the onset of the new gen was an obvious cash grab.

I handed over my money happily, but plenty of non-diehard fans were understandably letdown by the scale of what $40 bought them.

Chocoburger414d ago

The price was originally $40 for the physical PS4 and XBO versions, but due to controversy it dropped down to $30 before launch. And as much as I love GZ, and even bought it twice, I do agree that $30 was too much. It should have launched at $20.

https://kotaku.com/konami-c...

staticall415d ago

I don't know how about anyone else. But i've bought it for $20 1 week after release (or $15, don't remember the exact exchange rate) and spent 24 hours beating every mission and getting all the steam achievements. I was 100% aware what the game was about beforehand though and i did enjoy every second of it. I knew it was a work in progress and it was probably the best and less restrictive game i've played in a long time (and controls were just perfect).

Even previous MGS games didn't gave me that much freedom as Ground Zeroes did.
Love stealth? Got you covered.
Want to speedrun? Here's the timer.
Wanna kill everyone? No problem, grab that AK then and let's party.
Wanna cause chaos? Just tell Pequod where to land.
Love to drive? Then go ahead.
Miss Raiden? Then play as him.

I wish they would continue MGSV, finish remaining chapters and add more missions as DLCs, there was SO many options... A poor man still can dream...

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Metal Gear Solid V Is The Greatest Stealth Game Ever Made

Hideo Kojima was dealing with a hostile publisher who was pulling his team’s game apart at the seams in order to launch in some form of finished state, and it’s still downright masterful. Everything about it is mechanically focused and aesthetically nuanced, and not a single thing feels out of place or without purpose. Big Boss moves about each environment with a pace that provides the perfect cadence to use all manner of gadgets in whatever ways you like.

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Mobis-New-Nest586d ago

You are incorrect and I will be taking this time to correct you. The Legend of Zelda Wind Waker Forsaken Fortress is stealth that no game has yet to match. Having Link, crawl, sneak and hide under a barrel is innovative stealth that Metal Gear Solid, Splinter Cell, Thief and Tenchu wish they had achieved. I rest my case.

ChubbyBlade586d ago

Cardboard box beats barrel

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got_dam586d ago

Lol I see what you did there.

fr0sty586d ago

So tired of opinion pieces... I come here for hot news, not hot takes.

-Foxtrot586d ago

Shit Metal Gear Solid game though

It's boring, empty, repetitive

Great mechanics and gameplay but it's just so dull....

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Chard587d ago

I played it long after the hype had settled, and I had a blast with it. Strip away the disappointment over what it could have been, and you're still left with a great game

porkChop587d ago

The gameplay loop was phenomenal, no question. From a gameplay standpoint it's an incredible stealth game.

porkChop587d ago

"Hideo Kojima was dealing with a hostile publisher who was pulling his team’s game apart at the seams in order to launch in some form of finished state, and it’s still downright masterful."

Let's not pretend Kojima was entirely innocent there. The game was 5+ years into development, way over budget, and wasn't even halfway done. That's why Chapter 2 is so unfinished and Chapter 3 was scrapped entirely. He was wasting time micromanaging and second-guessing everything his team was doing, and little to no progress was being made. The same thing happened with MGS: Rising. That's why the game got rebooted as MGR: Revengeance and was handed off to Platinum. That's the only way the game was going to get finished. And yet after wasting millions on a scrapped game, MGR only went on to sell a little over 1 million units. It was a failure no matter how you look at it.

That's why Kojima was "locked away" in his office for the final 6 months of development of MGSV. So the team could actually piece together and finish the game. Was Konami just supposed to let Kojima spend more than a decade with infinite funds to make one game? Kojima isn't Rockstar, his games don't sell 170+ million units. At some point the game has to come out.

I get that Konami are a garbage company but they aren't solely responsible for what happened with Kojima. As much as I love his games and will always be a fan, MGSV was almost entirely Kojima's fault and I'm tired of people pretending that it wasn't.

MIDGETonSTILTS17587d ago

Sounds like mismanagement by Konami.

generic-user-name586d ago

Can you prove any of what you're claiming? Because I've seen Kojima build a studio and release a AAA game in 3 years with Death Stranding. All I'm seeing here are the same conspiracy theories that people like to believe to confirm their biases towards certain people, same with Neil Druckmann. For instance, MGSV may have been in development for a while but you leave out that he was also having the FOX Engine developed alongside it, an engine so good that MGSV ran at 60fps on a PS4.

He's gone on record disputing that he ever goes over budget on very rarely has to delay his titles.

"He was wasting time micromanaging and second-guessing everything his team was doing, and little to no progress was being made."

Where did you get this from?

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Workshyskiver587d ago

Best gameplay of the series hand down, its not even close. Worst story in the series hand down, its not even close.

Ezio2048587d ago

But that ending though with amazing music. The Man who sold the world.

1Victor587d ago

I can’t say it’s the best or the worse to me I stopped playing metal gear at the end of 4 the official end of the snakes saga and the best in my book was 3 snake eater excellent gameplay and excellent story telling giving us the reason for big boss to go and create his own country before the metal gear saga on the 4-8 bits consoles.

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