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AI in GTA IV: Nothing Spectacular

AI Panic writes:

"GTA4 is a good example of fake AI, artificial intelligence that only pretends to reason. This is very common in video games, as their primary goal is not to plan realistically and beat the player, but to provide enjoyment and make (smart) mistakes. This becomes apparent in how the game handles the appearance of police units. When your wanted-level increases, there are suddenly more police cars and cops around (especially for the higher levels), that come pouring out from behind street corners or are just there when you turn around. This behaviour, while perfectly legit for a game, would be useless in real life. All the steps which are most important for navigation and reasoning in robots and "proper" AI are cropped away in video games. Therefore there is -still- no possibility that non-player villain behaviour (would that be the police then, in GTA IV?) accidentally or even on purpose crosses over into the real world from a game AI..."

Jack Meahoffer5830d ago (Edited 5830d ago )

What would they consider "spectacular" the AI running around in circles in Crysis?

What AI is "spectacular" then? Was this site just created to talk smack about AI in every game? Sounds like desperation for hits to me.

Violater5830d ago

Thats o.k. the intelligence of most gamers online isn't that spectacular either.

PwnShop5830d ago

Seriously, GTA 4 is an awesome game, i'm really digging it. I think its just "fashionable" to hate on it. The AI may not be spectacular, but tell me a game that has an even more life like AI system that creates a seemingly functional and realized world.

nutjuice5830d ago

Sorry, I don't hate on it because of fashion. I hate it because it's just not fun to play.

I sold it back without finishing it because it was boring

permutated5830d ago

Yes, it's definitely fashionable to hate on a broken game with poor base mechanics and ugly textures.

Definitely not our opinion, more us just falling in line isn't it?

Ugh.

RobinB5830d ago

It is not that I dont enjoy playing GTA, the reason I wrote this article is more to compare the state of the art of artificial intelligence in universities to that used by games companies. As GTA is by some hailed as the best game of the decade and whatnot, I had a close look if it can live up to that from the AI side.

Judging by what we do and can do in academic research, almost all AI used in games is very basic. I'm not saying that it is insufficient (and i dont say that in my article either), but it is not outstanding either. It is certainly possible to increase the intelligence of game agents, and I think we are on the right way here. Look at F.E.A.R. for example, agents there have proper planning algorithms behind them which make them one of the smartest opponents in FPS out there.

We're working hard on increasing the communication between researchers and developers at my university, so I hope we can improve this situation. This collaboration works very good for graphics, new discoveries take a short time to find a way into current graphic cards, drivers and games.

With AI in games however, and GTA is no exception, the state of the art in research is several years ahead of the actual use in games.
Most of the time you dont realise this in games, but especially as worlds get bigger and more complex, it becomes obvious.

Nevers5830d ago

From what I've read I'm proly gonna feel slightly guilty tossing Stormtroopers to their death while they frantically grapple for any handhold to survive. The steps Bethesda made in OBLIVION had pretty advanced AI for a video game which led to some pretty interesting outcomes with Skooma addicted AI and gardners murdering others to have the correct tool...

I actually have no problem with the AI in GTA4 other than them apparently having super-human driving skills compared to me. They seem capable of killing me or running into my getaway car well enough. Granted: individually, the citizens of Liberty City are a bit zombie'esque when walking about; but, as a collective they really make Liberty City feel like the city itself has a life and vibrancy of it's own. And I think that's where R* wanted the emphasis.

The Closing5830d ago

Such scripted AI missions make an open worlded game seem pointless.

ASSASSYN 36o5830d ago

AI thats Artificial in it's intelligence. Brilliant!

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Looking Back At 2008, An Unbelievably Incredible Year Of Video Game Releases

Huzaifa from eXputer: "2008 was home to the likes of Call of Duty: World at War, Dead Space, GTA 4, Far Cry 2, Left 4 Dead, and many other hits, which is outright remarkable."

ChasterMies3d ago

Some of these low paid video game “news” writers weren’t born before 2007.

just_looken2d ago

Here here

Those that were around before 2000's i am sure are like me that think we entered a world of non readers or those that follow without question.

I can not wait to see fallout 3 a goty game even though it was about water with non content until you add the dlc/updates then you got the performance/crashing

CrimsonWing693d ago

I don’t think anything can compare to 2023

lucasnooker3d ago

1998 - the best year in gaming! Metal gear solid, crash bandicoot 3, medievil, half life, ocarina of time, thief, tenchu, resident evil 2, Spyro, tomb raider 3, oddworld abes exodus, banjo kazooie.

It was a different breed of a gaming era. You’ll never understand what it was like back then. The aura of gaming, it was different!

KyRo3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

I second this. Gaming was a lot more varied and fun than it is today. I'm 35 so getting on compared to some here but I got to see all the changes from NES up to now but I've never felt so disappointed in any generation than I have this current gen. I was expecting more from this generation rather than prettier versions of games that came before it. Game mechanics have become so refined that alot of games feel the same and has done for a while now.

Maybe it's time to have a break for a while. I love gaming but I don't feel I get much fun in the traditional sense out of it anymore.

CrimsonWing693d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil 2, Abe’s Exodus, and Ocarina of Time are the only things from that list that I liked.

Here’s the 2023 game releases that I personally liked… and big releases that I didn’t care for:

- Dead Space Remake
- Wo Long Dynatsy
- Resident Evil 4 Remake
- Diablo 4
- Fire Emblem Engage
- Hogwarts Legcay
- Street Fighter 6
- Hi-Fi Rush
- Like a Dragon: Ishin
- Octopath Traveler 2
- Final Fantasy Pixel Remasters
- Final Fanatsy XVI (actually ended up not liking this, but it was still a big deal release)
- Baldur’s Gate 3
- Armored Core VI: Fires of Rubicon
- Lies of P
- Mortal Kombat 1
- Marvel’s Spider-Man 2
- Starfield (Ended up hating this one, but big release)
- Super Mario Bros. Wonder
- Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom (I’m an old-school Zelda fan, but didn’t really enjoy this game)
- Alan Wake 2

I mean, honestly I’ve never seen a year of major IP releases like that, ever.

Profchaos3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Isn't it just a generational thing realistically.

I've been gaming since way back and I some of my favourite games go as far back as the late 80s for me each generation has a year or two of game changing releases one after another before an inevitable dry spell.

I kind of agree gaming had a different feel games hit different because we didn't have the internet nothing got spoiled and you really had to put in the effort to beat a puzzle which could set entire groups of people looking for a solution. But most importantly games were experimental and not as cookie cutter as today even basics like controls were not universal today r2 is shoot l2 is ads garunteed you can't deviate from that in a shooter back then it could of been square, R1 or R1 and circle nothing was standard.

But as time moves on a new generation picks up their controller they are going to be interested in different things that PS1 demo disc with the t Rex blew our primitive 16 bit brains back on launch but to kids today it's laughable.
The new gen of kids coming into to hobby seem to value different things to us there seems to be a huge focus on online play, streamers, gaming personalities, and social experiences, convience of digital downloads. To me I value none of that but that's ok like my parents not liking the band's I would listen to its just the natural cycle.

Gameseeker_Frampt3d ago

Just about every year in the 7th generation was great and something we most likely won't experience again.

2009 for example had Assassin's Creed 2, Batman: Arkham Asylum, Dragon Age: Origins, Uncharted 2, Halo 3: ODST, Killzone 2, Borderlands, Bayonetta, and Demon's Souls to name a few.

just_looken2d ago

It still amazes me we got over 7 rockstar games ps2/ps3 but 3 for the ps3/ps4/ps5

Dragon age 1-3 and mass effect 1-3 in 7ish years what a generation.

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Mainline Grand Theft Auto trailers ranked from best to worst

As we have all been graced by the release of Grand Theft Auto 6's trailer, we're ranking the best and worst GTA trailers to date.

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purple101145d ago

We be getting these posts All week now lads. Someone noticed a number plate ... Someone noticed a billboard... I can see it now

Just go on YouTube and watch one of the many videos dissecting the whole 1minite 30secs worth.

This site supposed to be for news.

roadkillers144d ago

These updates on N4G are going to ruin whats rest of this site. Unfortunate since I was one of the first members.. The site shows unsecure when i login as well.

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Grand Theft Auto 4 Anniversary: The Beginning of the Age of RAGE

Grand Theft Auto 4 is an important game for Rockstar, not least because it was the first title in the franchise to use the newly created RAGE engine.

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franwex362d ago

Wasn’t the Table Tennis game the first to use RAGE?

isarai362d ago

Was about to say the same, but they do say first "in the franchise" so 🤷

cammers1995362d ago

The fact it hasnt been remastered is insane.

Abear21361d ago

Rage engine made driving on the sidewalk in cinematic slow motion camera a blast