Tomb Raider Definitive Edition confirms the gap between Xbox One and PS4

"In this article we take a closer look at the next-gen version of Tomb Raider and what it has to offer on both platforms."

[Hatsune-Miku]

Fanat-X don't want to believe the ps4 is more powerful and even with system specs in front of them showing that ps4 is more powerful they refuse to believe

A few multiplatform games looks better and has higher frame rate on ps4 which is the ultimate proof in the pudding but xbox one fanatics will say that they don't eat pudding so they don't see a difference. I use to remember fanat-X making things up about xbox one having two video cards or some chip with hidden powers, or xbox one having 1 6lbs of ram and other rubbish.

[Robearboy]

power doesn't mean a thing - look through history

N64 was more powerful than PS1 - PS1 was more successful

xbox and Gamecube was more powerful than PS2 - PS2 was more successful

PS3 was more powerful than 360 - even draw

Its all about the games

[miyamoto]

The SNES says hi to your history.

Oh its very much a power struggle with every console generation.

Nintendo had 4 powers actually.
1. a powerful Nintendo brand and powerful franchises,
2. powerful 16-bit 256 colored hardware capable of real 3D,
3. political power to lock down exclusivity for developers & monopolize the industry, and
4. money power to outspend any competitor

It worked for them, out selling and out lasting the fantastic run of Sonic and the Sega Genesis.

The weakest specs did not help the Turbo Duo, Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast, and the Wii U for that matter.

So this "weakest console always wins" myth, ill informed commenters to needs to be busted and stopped immediately.

In an ideal world, its common sense to achieve a powerful system capable of running the best looking games with the best game play at reasonable cost.

It is what any platform holder would like to aim for- nothing but the best.
This is what the PS4 tries to achieve.

[JetP0619]

excuse me please tell me how 360 and ps3 are even? sure xbox won when it came to multiplats for about 7 years till ps3 caught up with total sales, but now ps3 is more than 2 million ahead than xbox 360. plus ps3 still has continued support whereas xbox already dropped the ball a long time ago, only thing keeping the 360 alive are the multiplats and the installed fanbase that hasnt upgraded to next gen yet and die hard 360 fans.

[NikX]

I agree it's all about the games especially exclusive games but also features, price, etc

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Weakest console always wins the race, with only one exception. Strongest console has never won the race in any generation. Ever.

Marketing your console as the strongest has also never won the race for any company.

Anyone who disagrees is just proving their ignorance of console history.

[Bathyj]

You realise you just proved PlayStation was always the better console?

Why would that change now given all the advantages ps4 has?

Weak console always wins?
No. Sony console always wins.

[abzdine]

Your history shows that no matter what, PS is successful.
So now on top of being a PS console it's much more powerful and praised by developers.. you know what that means i dont have to tell ya!

[sweendog]

'PS3 was more powerful than the 360 - even draw'

You missed something that backs up your case. The Wii won last gen and was again the weaker system

Edit. Dont think its the games though. Usually its the price

[GribbleGrunger]

Do you buy a console based on how many you think it's going to sell? I buy a console based on what I think it can achieve.

[wheresmymonkey]

surely you mean

PS3 more powerful than Wii - Wii was more successful

[DJMarty]

PS1 had the dev support cos they went with CD Rom, N64 cart couldn't cut it.

Xbox and Gamecube(both flops)were not more powerful than PS2 thats a myth. Again PS2 got the majority of support from Devs.

PS3 is more powerful than the 360, dev support was about the same, PS3 is sell better worldwide than 360.

PS4 is more powerful than X1, PS4 is better priced than X1, PS4 has better hardware than X1, PS4 is selling better worlwide than X1. As for Wii U that a flop, sales are shockenly bad, 3rd party support is been dropped like a stone.

Point is better sales ends up with better dev support. Clearly gamers are buying PS4 over X1 or Wii u.

If trend continues PS4 could end up been another success just like PS1/PS2/PS3. for Sony.

[Cuzzo63]

Ps3 360 even draw? Where, how? Oh in U.S. sales. Ps3 outsold 360 from day one worldwide. If they released as the same as ps4 xb1 it would be even more obvious for you naive fannies just like it is now.

[LordMaim]

@MultiConsoleGamer: I think what you mean to say is that power alone isn't necessarily indicative of automatic success.

The SMS was more powerful than the NES, but Nintendo flooded the market with games, many were first party and quite good.

The SNES was more powerful than the Genesis, and won.

The Saturn was less powerful than the PS1, and lost. The N64 was more powerful than the PS1, but more expensive and a year late, lacking the features and storage of a CD.

The XBOX was more powerful than the PS2, but they came out a year later, and didn't have much in the way of support from Japanese developers initially.

The PS3 was more powerful than the Xbox 360, but came out a year later, at a higher price point, and with a unique architecture that caused difficulties for developers attempting to port multi-platform games. Eventually it surpassed the 360 in sales, however so a narrow victory.

Anyone who points to the performance of past consoles and says that power alone is an indicator of future success is not looking at all the facts.

[EVILDEAD360]

I knew Skyrim proved the 360 gap over the PS3.

(Truth- it didn't and Tomb Raider doesn't)

Evil

[sinjonezp]

Did anyone actually read this opinion pole? My six year old nephew can write better than this. Honestly we have seen a similar disparity with the sega gen and super nes. Super nes games tended to loo and sound better than the genesis. Games like street fighter 2 turbo/championship edition defined which system to get games on. The snes won. So with this type of scenario where two exact games are released, and you have one better on a said platform, people will lean towards the ladder. Now if all multi plat games are better on ps4, microsoft could be in trouble, they would have to continue to deliver superb first party content.

[Sevir]

Simple,there isn't a definitive edition on ps3\Xb360...

[Mr-Dude]

60 FPS is very nice, and expected from a next-gen console. But instead we all b*tching about the framerate, and pissing each other off. The real problem with this game is the price. Why isn't there a upgrade plan?

[mhunterjr]

How many 'Confirmations' do we need before ps4 fanboys get over themselves?

The ps4 is the more powerful of the two consoles. Ps4 games will forever be prettier than their xb1 counterparts.

Everyone has known this for a while. Why are we pretending that folks are in denial? Is it just for the sake of gloating in forums?

[KonsoruMasuta]

Folks are in denial. Go to any article about either system and you will see Xbox fans trying to say their system is just as powerful, if not more.

[mhunterjr]

I'm in this article...

I haven't seen the first comment staying xb1 is more powerful or equal to ps4 in terms of graphics.

Ive seen maybe two comments that suggest the gap will close with developer familiarity. Versus a truck load of gloating.

I haven't seen any significant amount of denial comments since before launch.

If there are people that feel that way, they are in such a minority and so stupid, that the constant barrage of confirmation articles isn't going to change their minds, so why bother.

Can we get some real news?

[Ricegum]

mhunterjr

Xbox fans aren't going to say the Xbox One is more powerful, because let's face it, it's obviously not. What these people then do is play down the significance of the PS4 having the better hardware. (See robearboy and multiconsolegamer's comments above)

[mhunterjr]

@unreal01

If it's insignificant to them, then so be it. You can't force someone to share your values. Maybe they don't care about graphics as much as some of the other console features or some of the games coming to the platform. No amount of polygons or pixels is gonna change that sentiment.

[Ricegum]

You have a point sir.

[Rhythmattic]

I give you ...................

http://misterxmedia.livejou...

[Mr-Dude]

That site is the most ridiculous one I have seen in my life. They have clairvoyance, all these secret insiders and apparently N4G is run by the Illuminati... and paid by Sony...

Talk about drinking koolaid, they have a IV line running into their veins..

[sweendog]

That guy is deluded.

[pyramidshead]

MisterX has been proven to be a fraud by one of his own 'vetted' insiders. Turns out he was just a troll, like the insider ;).

http://oi43.tinypic.com/2lj...

[Rhythmattic]

pyramidshead

In a way the link is a response to starchild & mhunterjr

People blaming every negative response to Xbone info are classed as the SDF.

If you look at the MisterX blog and go beyond the Headline and read the communitys post's , it is a MS fondle fest....

Guess Its safer to be delusional in numbers.

However, somehow, someone on NG4 will consider me a hypocrite...

[DonFreezer]

Stop with Misterxmedia bullcrap. The guys on that blog at least know something about hardware engineering instead of just trolling everything Microsoft does. Most of the stuff Misterx talks are backed up by the hardware knowledge Mistercteam has. And if you take into account that this is the only blog that does not ban you if you say something positive about Xbox then I don't see why should take Sonygaf or N 4 Sony G as more credible.

[starchild]

The Sony fanboys are truly pathological. There are very few people that argue that the PS4 isn't more powerful than the XB1. Its just a damn excuse for them to continue gloating and bashing.

They pollute the internet with their hate-filled diatribes against the Wii U and XB1. Yet when a PC gamer points out his rig is more powerful than the PS4, they throw a hissy fit.

Do we really need a half dozen nearly identical articles about the framerate of a game that everybody supposedly wasn't going to buy anyway? The degree of Fanboyism is astounding.

[LeCreuset]

"They pollute the internet with their hate-filled diatribes against the Wii U and XB1."

That takes some gall for an Xbox fan to post. A lot of Sony gamers are Nintendo gamers as well. Nintendo systems are very complimentary to people that have a Playstation or an Xbox.

Mark me well. I've been gaming since the NES. I've owned SNES, Genesis, Saturn, PSX, PS2, Game Cube, PS3, Wii, Wii U, PS4, PSP, Vita, and 3DS. I've never really thought of "Nintendo gamer" as part of my identity—even now. Ditto for "Sega gamer." I had never thought of "Sony gamer" as part of my identity, UNTIL a bunch of fanboys on the MS side acted like they hadn't been there before, when their preferred console had an early lead, and started making GAMERS aware of themselves as "Sony gamers." You want to talk about pathological? Pathological was the pettiness MS fanatics went to, to bash the PS3 at every little turn and anyone that had one. It's called, "Don't throw stones from a glass house." These arguments being made now against XB1 are the same arguments, with less merit, that Xbox fanatics would play up to no end against the PS3. You live by the sword, you die by the sword.

[kickerz]

@ starchild - Very well said bro

[torchic]

what sublime prose, what drama!

smashing stuff Shakespeare, look forward to reading your next entry!

[pyramidshead]

I guess you weren't around in 2006.

[redwin]

@LeCre, I'ved all systems too and u don't remember Xbox fans saying anything about the ps3. Sony was always powerful, and with a blue ray . Ms didn't and the hardwear was braking . No! Only one tile of fan!

[Cuzzo63]

Because they are in denial. You in denial that they are in denial. At least ur not denying the obvious

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Lol its just frames.

[MasterCornholio]

You dont care about framerate?

In my opinion framerate is pretty important to insure a smooth gameplay experience. The PS4 running the game at double the framerate is a pretty big deal in my opinion because it demonstrate the significant gap in power between the two systems.

I honestly havent seen something like this since Bayonetta on the PS3 but the difference here was that PS3 version was outsourced to Sega who did a poor job of porting it.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

@master Oh no Frames is way more important. More important than res even imo. Res makes the game look nicer frames make the game smoother and even play better.

I was referring to the the power gap in the title .

" been confirmed today by the developer that the Definitive Edition of Tomb Raider will in fact run at 1080p on both platform but at 60 FPS only on the PlayStation 4, while the Xbox One version of the game averaging a disappointing 30 FPS."

Disappointing? In anyway how? The Thief, Ryse, DR3, NFS, Infamous, Drive Club (still working between 30 and 60) and The Witcher 3 (probably) are running at smooth 30 frames

Does that make those games disappoint? No. Hell no.

A steady frame is more important than a actual number.

For example would you rather have a jumpy 60 frames or steady clean 30 frames.

I don't want anyone to get this "30 frames is horrible" vibe going on next gen. 30 frames is the normal sweet spot. But 60 frames is a great reward if achieved.

[Rhythmattic]

"Disappointing? In anyway how? The Thief, Ryse, DR3, NFS, Infamous, Drive Club (still working between 30 and 60) and The Witcher 3 (probably) are running at smooth 30 frames"

Since when did Ryse and DR3 run at a smooth/locked 30 fps ?

I haven't played the games, but search the net and you'll find both drop way below 30 fps....

Really bad example...........

Good games? Probably....

Just saying.

[starchild]

Then get a freaking PC, smart guy. If framerate mattered to you, you wouldn't be hyping up a console that has so many games with juddery, variable, unlocked framerates.

Some facts:

1. The PC is the only platform where you can have 60fps in every game.

2. When a game is "60fps" on PC it's actually 60fps, not 60fps "much of the time" but with frequent dips like on the PS4.

3. Most games on the PS4 are, and will very likely continue to be, under 60fps...usually around 30fps. (AC4, Thief, KZSF, Knack, Watch Dogs, The Witcher 3, Destiny, Infamous Second Son, and on and on).

4. Many of the games that are billed as "60fps" games on the PS4 are in reality games that have a variable, unlocked framerate with quite large swings.

If you truly cared about game performance and fidelity you would be playing on a PC, period. Not acting like a douche bag and putting down other console gamers while you yourself play on a damn console.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

@Rhythm

Your right DR3 and ryse aren't smooth 30 frames but all those games are 30 frames nonethelss(apparently the Witcher is to.

I just don't want a frames war because for some reason people always start a " sub war" within a the "war."

What I'm trying say is people shouldn't be arguing about frames and res when last gen those weren't even in the conversation or discussion amongst gamers. And PC gamers have been enjoying those luxury's since the beginning of last gen for years now.

This gen will be fun. I play games not tech and I advise other do the same.

[badz149]

@Angelic

"its just frames" ??

are you actually serious or are you just another NOOB?! go to any GPU comparison and what are the 2 things they use for comparison? res and fps and they always do it for specific res and compare how many fps each card can output at that res! "just frames"? LOL

[AngelicIceDiamond]

So why the disagrees? I don't understand it? Those games run at 30 frames so what are you guys saying those games are crap and useless because 30 frames?

Some of our favorite games are doing 30 frames. I don't get this site sometimes I'm confused.

Please someone explain the disagrees. My logic is there and solid.

If I have holes in my logic please tell me instead of blindly disagreeing. I'm human not a computer talk and discuss, its what I do.

[hulk_bash1987]

Regardless of the frame rate I will not be getting it until it's at least $40. Don't see the point in paying full price for a last gen game with updated graphics.

[ooquis]

And then there's people like me who haven't played the game yet.....SCORE!!

[hulk_bash1987]

@ooquis

It's an amazing game worth full price when it first came out no bout. But for something that is essentially a re-release with a facelift it should be priced lower. But by all means enjoy it.

[--bienio--]

what a surprise haha

[kratoz1209]

i just hope 3rd Party's take a note from Naughty Dog and push the console (The last of us was Amazing)

[LeCreuset]

I think they will. PS4 has the larger install base. Plus, it's easier to develop for than the PS3. On the PS3, if a multiplat developer didn't take advantage of the system specs their games weren't really going to get shown up by anything but 1st party studios who put in the time learning to develop for the Cell. The PS4 is so much easier to develop for that developers gimping a game run the risk of being shown up by just about any developer with a competing product. Can you imagine a full priced retail game being gimped on the system and some indie title in the same genre coming along and upstaging them?

[Revolt13]

I think its only because the Xbox One is harder to develop for, not a power substantial difference.

[KonsoruMasuta]

Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

[hulk_bash1987]

I don't think that's the case here. Microsoft is a PC company so I think they will make their console's architecture similar to a PC's.

[Ashby_JC]

Based on specs...I guess it's more powerful..everyone keeps saying it so it must be true...right?

Based on tomb raider running at a higher fps...Ok

Cool.

Now what I want and have been saying consistently....show me a game that blows me away that will make me run out and spend $460 (before tax)

[jocomat9]

show me a game that justifies spending $100 more for a less powerful system? see what i did there?

[Revolt13]

Titanfall
Quantum Break
Halo 5
;)

[superbhoy]

Peggle 2.....jk

[GTgamer]

@revolt
Yup because we have all played those games -_-

[razrye]

Infamous second son
the order 1888
Uncharted 4
Driveclub
;-)

[LeCreuset]

@Revolt

Forget PC. If you're a console only gamer, Titanfall can still be had on a 360 for much less than the investment in a new system. As a Sony and Nintendo gamer, if I'm into that one title, I can just go get a used 360 (or even a new one) and play it for a fraction of the investment. Why wouldn't I, since I haven't been sold on any real reason to make that investment for the XB1 version over the 360 version? Respawn has already talked about sequels coming to the PS4, so it's not even like I'd be investing in an XB1 for future entries in the franchise.

Quantum Break. Wow. A new IP with not much shown is what justifies paying $100 more for a less powerful system?

Halo 5: At least this one has some concrete history behind it, but does yet another Halo entry, not developed by Bungie, justify paying $100 more for a less powerful system?

[Ashby_JC]

@Joco

I spent my money on the XB1 because that is what I prefered....and there was games that I was very very interested in playing on launch. So the power difference between the two did not come into play..for ME.

Money was not an issue for me. As spending $100 less for the PS4 wasnt something I was wanting to do at the moment. I have owned all systems in the past and that wont change in the future.

I looked at both launch games and games coming over the next 6-12 months and there was nothing that FOR ME....that made me want the PS4 out the gate.

That is not a popular mindset on this site...so be it. I am one person.

As far as the $100 more for a less powerful system. Shrugs shoulders...at this point am I dissapointed with my XB1. NOPE. Am I dissapointed that games like Tomb Raider are running at a higher FPS....of course.

Im not going to sit here and deny that the PS4 seems to be the system this gen that will have improved res/fps over the XB1.

Does that make me enjoy my current and future games less. Not one bit.

Like I said in my first post. When that killer game hits for the PS4 I will be right there ready to buy.

For the moment. I will enjoy the current games I own and get Titanfall and have fun.

[Rhythmattic]

Ashby_JC

Anyone Disagreeing with your 2nd post above, is either immature or needs to harden the fcuk up.

[LeCreuset]

No one game is going to make most people buy a new system at new system prices. Killzone, despite the reviews (has this week FINALLY taught us a lesson on trusting the gaming media?), is a title that shouldn't be missed. Knack is a good title, also better than the reviews, that's a nice complement to the PS4 library, but not a must buy. Then you have free games with Plus in Contrast, Resogun, and Don't Starve. There are some F2P's if you're into that model of game. I haven't even mentioned titles which were upgraded PS3 re-releases like Injustice. All of that, plus the multiplats (which I'll get to in a second), should hold you over until Infamous SS, and Drive Club with full retail and free PS Plus releases.

Now let's talk about those multiplats, since that is what this is about. You don't get to just play those as even anymore. Multiplats are consistently running significantly better on the cheaper PS4. Why would I want to spend $100 more on a system that is consistently putting out multiplats at half the frame rate or half the resolution of its cheaper competitor?

[Rhythmattic]

....

[TheGrimReaper]

"The hardware difference could be a factor, but if we take Microsoft’s word for granted we should rule this option out. So what’s there left? A strong possibility is that Xbox One is harder to develop for compared to PlayStation 4. This means that the wheel has turned, and Microsoft is now in the spot where Sony was with the PlayStation 3.

There are also some rumours that Sony is paying third-party developers to make their games work better on PlayStation 4. This surely has happened before, if not with Sony, sure with another company. But until we have some real proof, we can’t really start pointing fingers."

wow...
Couldn't be the hardware because MS said so?
Delusional...

Btw: Let's wait for DFs face off or at least some framerate analysis of the retail versions.
I'll buy it (PS4). Haven't bought it current gen so the price tag doesn't bother me :D

[GenericNameHere]

"There are also some rumours that Sony is paying third-party developers to make their games work better on PlayStation 4. This surely has happened before, if not with Sony, sure with another company. But until we have some real proof, we can’t really start pointing fingers."

Huh? Lol what? Is that in the article or just a comment? The nerve of these people. Yeah, another company. You just said that company in your previous paragraph. Microsoft wants parity, they don't want the PS version to better. It's a fact, and it's been known to the public for a long time now. But they blame Sony on this practice?? Roflcopter next thing you tell me, developers are using the PS4 as the lead platform. Not because the PS4 is factually stronger than the Xbone, but because Sony is paying developers to make the PS4 better -_-

Edit: Just read the article. And still LOLWAT? Not all journalists are horrible, but this guy is another example of those horrible journos. MS said so, so it's ruled out?? You know what good journalists are suppose to do? Go to great lengths to make sure nothing is BS, to show and tell the public what's going on behind the scenes. You going "all right, ok then" to Microsoft's BS comment shows you don't deserve to be a journo. Show me some professional integrity, don't just take their word.

[TheGrimReaper]

*cough* quotation marks *cough*

That is in the article...

EDIT: If you ever see me spouting such nonsense pls report me for being hacked xD

EDIT2: @your edit: My thoughts as well

[GenericNameHere]

Oh no no, I wasn't talking about you. I was just wondering if that comment you quoted was from a hidden comment here, the writer of the article, or from the comments section in the article.

But yes, I'll wait for comparisons. Digital Foundry does make mistakes sometimes, but a lot of the stuff they do are still great. Also, it seems some Gamestops are breaking street dates. Realitypales (from The Tester) was streaming it not too long, and some Gaffers have confirmed it, and even took pictures.

[DoesUs]

When you have a vastly superior GPU and hugely better memory setup with zero hoop jumping shenanigans to get ANY sort of performance, it's kind of obvious.....it will be 5yrs+ of the same also.

[daedra]

Xbox ones drivers probably aren't ready and still being worked on with each devs engine, some are easier to work, another thing they could do or did until the drivers are better on their future games is what was done on bf4 for xbox one, make it look better, higher res textures while the ps4 is butter smoothed, the xbox one version might look better and have that movie cinematic feel.

[GamersHeaven]

http://www.comicbookmovie.c...

[TheGrimReaper]

http://static3.wikia.nocook...

[razrye]

Actually the ps4 version looks and runs better.

[mark3214uk]

remmeber they overclocked the xb1 before it came out,probly would of only hit 20 fps before clocked :)

[tweet75]

so can you download this for $10 on psn on ps4 if you already own tomb raider on ps3?

[GenericNameHere]

Nope, gotta pay a full $60. I guess they could, but the games that had the offers had codes. I doubt they'll give codes to every person who bought the game. Plus, TR is dirt cheap now on both consoles, so they would think you'll just buy a used copy for $5, then get the PS4/Xbone versions for $15. That's a huge $45 less than what they want to sell it for, considering it seems the PS4 version is comparable with the PC version.

[Ko_Uraki]

Of course it is true that PS4 is more powerful than One, but the trolling tone of the article is nauseating.

[corvusmd]

I think gamers have lost sight of what is important. Tons of people on this site keep worrying about which system is more powerful, and what the specs are on paper. Yes, PS4 has a more powerful GPU, so for many games it will have an edge on paper specs...that's a plain and simple fact. Also a fact is that it hasn't actually panned out to be important at all. Games on XB1 look amazing and side by side 99% of the time, no one can tell which one is which without being told, so really the PS4 advantage doesn't show itself.
So far it's just a repeat of last gen in most respects. PS has a more powerful console just like last gen, but it doesn't show itself in the games. Like last gen, XBL is the better network (despite PSN no longer being free and getting no true upgrade). Like last gen, the XBox is the more innovative of the consoles, with an emphasis on providing more than JUST games. Like last gen the better exclusives are on XBox (no matter what PS fanboys want to tell you...PS3 outsold XBox in the end, yet all the best selling exclusives were still on XBox 360). I have had both consoles EVERY generation until this one. I had a PS4 preordered, but then realized I don't need one right away being as none of the PS4 exclusives capture my interest yet, XB1 however has all the exclusives I care about (now and in the future) and even the cross platform games have the advantages I like. True, COD on PS4 has a higher native resolution, but you can't tell, and on XBL it gets true dedicated server support whereas on PS4 it doesn't.

I'm just saying that people keep getting caught up in this childish tit for tat bickering about specs to "prove" that their system is better, and then have the nerve to call themselves true gamers. When/If PS4 racks up some exclusives to play offline, I have NO issue getting one...but until then I ALREADY feel that I have gotten my money's worth out of my XB1, I have fun with it EVERYDAY, it's by no means a crappy system like some wish for you to believe. It's about games....people are forgetting that. If you hate XB1 exclusives but love PS4 ones, then yes, PS4 is the choice for you easily...other than that, simply dismissing XB1 because of PAPER specs that don't translate to the screen just means you're missing out on another awesome gaming experience. I have NEVER looked at a game on XB1 and thought that it looked bad, they all look amazing, they all play amazing(other than the BF4 glitches across all platforms). Dead Rising, Ryse, COD, BF4, Need for Speed, and AC4 have all been tons of fun...not a single bad game yet....and on the horizon it looks like there are tons more to come. I'll get Tomb Raider on XB1 and never ever be concerned that PS4 has a higher FPS that I won't ever notice...but I will enjoy Titanfall a couple months later.

[Vergil-]

"I think gamers have lost sight of what is important."

Agreed.

[GTgamer]

"PS4 has a higher FPS that I won't ever notice...but I will enjoy Titanfall a couple months later"

Sh!t Xbox fans say quick question if titanfall wasnt on the Xbox one what would your argument be :/,

[razrye]

It'll be better on pc anyway.

[HappyWithOneBubble]

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[XtraTrstrL]

This dude needs to get acquainted with spell checker. There's no hidden reason in there, the power gap is the main reason for the 30fps vs 60fps. Xbone may be slightly harder to program for also, but they are basically doing what they did with 360 with the separate smaller ram pool, so it shouldn't be much of a learning curve. And the more time they have with both systems, the more each will shine further, and the gap will remain. Also, if devs start moving towards OpenGL with it taking back over in optimization, performance boosts and features, and Xbone refuses to leave it's Microsoft created DirectX behind, the gap will get even wider.

[Mr_Luke]

I didn't think that people needed "confirmations". Wasn't that clear already?
I know it's all about games, that PS4 could have horrible ones and Xbone super fantastic ones, but about power the gap was clear since the beginning.

[cyhm3112]

you forgot most of the triple AAA games and probably a lot of other games are multiplatforms this generation. This will kill xbone unless xbone comes up with tons of GREAT exclusives, I can't see this at the moment.

[MightyNoX]

To be fair there was a lot lf misinformation and FUD spread on MS side (see Larry and Albert'a quotes) and the fans believed them. They chalked up AC4 and CoD as flukes but with Tomb Raider and Maybe Watchdogs being better, reality is settling in...

[Bathyj]

You bet your fern it does.

[pornflakes]

PS4 in 2014 - no exclusives and PS gamers don't care about 3rd party games like in the last GEN.. or did something changed this gen.. would be strange, haha :D

XB1 in 2014 - 8 exclusives

You play games or graphics :D?

The GAP between PS4 and XB1 is about 1 Million consoles but XB1 sells more Software, the attach rate is 30% higher compared to the PS4.

It's also here like last gen.. Xbox gamers play games while PS fanboys are sitting just on N4G :)

[razrye]

PS4 exclusives in 2014. The Order: 1886, Planetside 2, MLB 14: The Show
Infamous: Second Son, Hohokum, Helldivers,
Driveclub, Deep Down and Basement Crawl. yeah no exclusives.
The xbox is the weaker system with the weakest game line up. Just get over it and move on.

[True_Samurai]

You're just grasping at straws right now weakest line up?

Xbox: Titanfall, Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, Halo 5, D4, Fable Legends, xbox exclusive indies that are coming in march, that alone blows ps4 outta here lmao

[guyman]

"ps4 in 2014 - no exclusives" BWAHAHAHA you just cut Down any Credibility you thought you had, talk about a blatent hater! Wow what a retard. Against your argument allow me to say: xbox 360 exclusives 2009 - 2013: halo 4 bwahahaha, the only one with a solid enough reputation anyways!

[pornflakes]

leave the last gen dude...

MS spent 1 Billion USD for new game developments, they learned from the last gen.

[pyramidshead]

Aren't you missing the point?

"You play games or graphics?"

I'll play games on the console that seems to be a lot more able at running those games whether it's pushing more pixels at higher resolutions or at superior frame rates(within the console market).

It's not about graphics but if you compare both versions the XB1 performs worse. Are you seriously just going to say "well I play games!" and actively buy the worser port because of pride or fanboyism? Mind boggling.

Also you're here commenting too, so I guess you're a Sony fanboy like the rest of us seeing as you have no games to play and took time out to type out that comment ;).

[AngelicIceDiamond]

"This means that the wheel has turned, and Microsoft is now in the spot where Sony was with the PlayStation 3."

Lol not even close. MS issue is with Kinect and apparently ESRAM. There are some hurdles but the PS3 and MS hurdles aren't even remotely the same.

The PS3 was a cell chip architecture/coding hurdle. X1 is just extra stuff (that I mentioned above) supposedly in the way of hurdle.

"There are also some rumours that Sony is paying third-party developers to make their games work better on PlayStation 4."

Why would Sony do that lol wow. is this guy serious? The PS4 is naturally better its simply stronger. Where did this "rumor" come from? Sony isn't paying anybody. What Sony paid for was better hardware that's where there secret cash flow went.

[pornflakes]

The PS3 was also 30% stronger but 80% of the multiplatts looked better on 360 :)

[GarrusVakarian]

Yeah because the PS3's architecture was more difficult to learn, multiplat devs were too lazy to take advantage of it. It was easier to just make it look similar to the 360 version.

The 1st party exclusives showed the power advantage of the PS3.

Now the PS4 is easy to develop for AND is more powerful, which is why we are seeing multiplats and exclusives looking better on PS4 already. So glad i chose the PS4 as my main console this gen.

[LeCreuset]

The sooner people accept that, the better. Then all the whining about fanboy wars, counting pixels, counting resolution, etc. can stop. The XB1 isn't just a system that costs $100 more because of Kinect. Kinect's hidden cost is on the hardware itself. The console is weaker because they included Kinect.

@pornflakes

Way to completely ignore the post you responded to. The Cell was harder to develop for but could put out better games when it was mastered. Multiplats were looking better on 360 because it had a larger install base because of the year lead, and the Cell had a difficult learning curve. There's a reason GTA 4 is better on 360, but GTA 5 is better on PS3.

The Cell sacrificed ease of development for superior performance once mastered. The XB1 sacrificed specs for Kinect.

[razrye]

Wikipedia may not be the most reliable source but if you check the list of games coming out on the xbox one it currently stands on 98. The PS4 stands on 180. Wikipedia still has more credit than most of these "journalists".

[shysun]

Are they doing the 10$ upgrade if you have it on PS3?

[Mikethejew]

I'm done with the xbone, i like all the extra features it has but i bought a game console and expect that it would be able to compete as one. This is getting rediculous, when the systems launched i chalked it up to the rush to get games out for launch. But now there is no excuse, and to me a few cool media features and a few exclusives arent worth the significant performance gap im seeing. This isnt like ps3 vs 360, the gap here is large. Im lucky enough to be able to return the xbone and move to the ps4, but im very disappointed with the forsight of microsoft.

[Obscure_Observer]

So now all of Sudden frame rate matters to fanboys. So funny.

Do you fanboys realize that all you doing with all that framerategate thing is trap yourselves?

Yes. 60fps do have a important role in FPS n RACING games, so, i ask you this:

Is Driveclub confirmed locked on 60fps?

The game has been delayed for improvements. It DOES look gorgeous. But, it will acomplish the 60fps goal?

What about Uncharted? Will it achieve 60fps like Tomb Raider? WHAT IF it doesnt?

We'll see. Your own arrogance may come back to haunt you.

[pyramidshead]

It's a last gen port. Not a next gen game. Think about that for a second. The Xb1 should be handling this game with literally no trouble at all.

[Mikethejew]

Do you realize this is a sign of things to come? If the xbone handles a graphically updated port from last gen like this how will it perform for a next gen game like the witcher? Will it be 720 and 30ps? If youre okay with that good for you, but most of us bought a video game system first and expected more.

[rafaman]

Where is the proof of this confirmation of 30fps on XBOX ONE?

[shysun]

Read!!!!@@!@$#@##!!

[jacksjus]

Some of you bitch too much. I find the fanboy debates fun and entertaining and never took things personal. Why complain about being tired of reading this and that, but yet still come to the same site everyday all day? Debrief your mind by reading something else and quit acting so butt hurt. The purchase of these systems was not a life changing financial decision like buying a house. If you are in satisfied with what you have sell it and get the alternative. Damn just have fun and stop this internet hugging and insults. That is all.

[tweet75]

i hope this doesnt become a habit of sonys rereleasing ps3 games at ful $60 price with a few extra features. This could end up backfiring on sony even with best ps3 games.