Killzone 2 E3 2005 vs Playstation Day 2008

talkplaystation.com: "If you take a good close look at the comparison you can see that Killzone 2 2008 has the clearer picture with far better colours and lighting effects. It just has an overall slicker look. I know what your going to say now… the E3 2005 looks better in motion…"

Screenshot comparisons and also a video.

[HighDefinition]

Screen for Screen, It NOW looks better than the E3 trailer.

Which to some people is the equivalent to having their head shoved in their @ss. GG did it, and the GP by the way looks great. Before anyone says sh!t, they have 9 months to work on the AI, 9 MONTHS.

Killzone has been well worth the wait, it would seem.

BTW, by the time this comes out, the PS3 will most likely be $299.

[marinelife9]

Wow they're right. The 2008 demo does look better. I gues Phil Harrison wasn't lying after all when he said in a lot of ways it looks better now.

[chaosatom333]

To think that this is in Alpha stage is saying something.

It will be like Crysis of console.

[sonarus]

lol they took the worst part of that fake trailer and took the best part of gamers day stuff. In those screens it definitely looks better but there are areas of that fake trailer that can't be done on even the highest end pc.

From those screens though, hands down it surpasses but when you watch the old video and compare it to this, you'll see the diff

[Marceles]

Meh...the only thing I'll give to the 2005 trailer is how good the ground looks on the bridge with the rubble, cracks, and the crater, everything else I have to give to the new trailer...it looks better than 2005.

[Panthers]

I have to disagree sonarus. The 05 trailer, the characters looked plastic. The only thing amazing about that was the crash at the end and rocket launcher firing.

The real game looks stunning.

[sonarus]

Yes the old one the characters looked plastic. Thats it. Characters are improved. Watch the video and you will see what i mean. Old vid can't be done on some pc's yet. The explosions the fire effects too much of that stuff is impossible with todays tech. The screens showed here like i said don't show the parts where the old trailer reigns supreme.

The faces look better but the armor/clothes are no where near as detailed as the fake trailer.

Don't get me wrong KZ2 is the most impressive looking game on a console but pound for pound against that trailer, not even the mighty crysis can pull thru

[Silellak]

Can't watch this right now, I'll have to check it out when I get home, but if they really outdid the '05 trailer - and it sounds like they did - then color me impressed.

I wonder if that means Motorstorm 2 will outdo Motorstorm's original CG trailer?

[Marceles]

I'll agree with you on the armor as well, but you gotta admit they're really close, they're right there...I wouldn't say they're nowhere near as detailed as the old trailer, but the old trailer's armor actually looks like it has weight and volume to it whereas the new trailer armor looks a little flat, at least on Rico. With that said, we have until February '09 and I think it's possible and enough time for them to clearly surpass the CGI at first glance without needing a side-by-side.

[JBaby343]

It surpassed that 2005 CGI and I don't see how anyone can deny it. It looks better in pretty much every way. They actually did it. They not only met it (E3 2007) but now have surpassed it. Can't wait for this game.

[Tarasque]

F@ck the screens look at the video comparison. Not even close.

[sonarus]

Exactly marceles. I just saw the fake trailer again and it doesn't even look as good as i remember. I saw we wait for better gameplay vids or another official trailer. It seems like they toned down the blood effects a bit. Maybe because of rating.

Anyway game looks fantastic without a doubt but there are just some parts of that trailer that can't be done. 9months the game will probably be polished more and look even better than it does which is a scary thought really:D

[TresTrendu]

You guy's crack me up, I must have better eyesight than most.

[masterg]

@sonarus

I don't agree with you on this one.
I think that in many ways the 08 version comes out on top. Fire looks terrible in the E305 version.
I do think the explosions look better on the E305 version. But it does not look like something that cant be done. Hell I think it has been done. I think the explosions in UT3(PS3 version) and crysis look amazing. Absolutely stunning. Both equal or better than KZ2 E305.
I do believe that this will one of the things that they will improve graphically in the next 9 months.

[mistertwoturbo]

@1.10

That video was from the 2007 E3. They need to compare the 2005 E3 video to the latest video which is now the PS Gamer's Day 2008 videos. Obviously the latest trailer shows vast improvements over the 2007 trailer. And again I will reiterate, they've still got 9 months to go!

[QuackPot]

STFU about "fake trailer" sh*t.

2005 E3 was a target trailer...TRAILER.

Any intelligent gamer who saw the video for the first time would have known this. Noway, would GG have a in-game available in 2005. Even the great Insomniac wouldn't have been able to pull that feat off in such a short amount of time.

In game was confused by an interviewer with a Resistance demo....which was gameplay.

enough said.

Damn fanboys and their rants.

[niall77]

but yes we know Killzone2 will look great (in a gray and brown way) but we want some gameplay footage not shot with a phone camera

[HighDefinition]

In case people didn`t know.....you can D/L the PS day vids on PSN and the KZ2 trailer is there somewhere to watch on your HDTV.

It`s the "Play is hiding and waiting" video.

[Timesplitter14]

Well search the internet Mr. Genius. It's full of it.

[xg-ei8ht]

Anyone who wants to see this game in it's true form.

Needs to watch this video.

720p using x4aa with x8af, that is what the game is pushing.

Use the torrent file, its very fast.:)

http://www.gamersyde.com/ne...

[gameraxis]

killzone looks better than crysis, don't just look at the jungle levels in crysis look at it all (indoor rooms) etc. and killzone looks better

people, we don't need to say best looking game on console anymore. its simply the best looking game. Ive been comparing the two trying to find out what people are talking about. crysis has this "pasted on" look to it while killzone looks so tight and clean.

and yes i was looking at it on high end pcs i just don't see why crysis is better, great looking I'll agree but better??? just an opinion tho

[alexM]

KZ2 killed everything on Wii and x360

Poor EPIC

Gayers 2 is killed even before its launch

http://www.gamersyde.com/ne...

[The Closing]

Both will most likely be great.

Plus you fanboys aren't the brightest bunch are you? You don't even realize gayer's doesn't even rhyme with gears, but there is a word that means the exact same that does. I'll give you a hint, it starts with a q.

[alexM]

It is over

time to cry XBUTTT

http://www.gamersyde.com/ne...

[Phil Harrison Mklll]

gears 2 will look like unreal 3 on the ps3 ha ha sad xbot slaves

[The Closing]

I don't own a 360 you inbred.

[DarthTigra]

If you disagree with nasim/doodle/alexM/sammymantra / tanod,or say anything that is not a 100 percent prasing sony you are an xbot to him.

[The Closing]

No matter. He's not too quick if you know what I mean.

[JBaby343]

But I don't see Gears 2 coming close to this. Hats off to Epic if so but I seriously see no way considering UE3 can't even match Uncharted and KZ2 even surpasses Uncharted.

[Fishy Fingers]

Hand on heart, I believe they have out done the E3 trailer. Especially in certain areas, the textures are better now and the lighting engine, well thats in a league of it's own.

The final screen is gorgeous, technically there is so much going on there. Very impressed, Killzone aside, I'm interested to see what else they cook up with this engine, we all know the PS3 is fussy about UE3 but I don't think they're going to have to rely on it for much longer.

[HighDefinition]

or a adventure game.

[Fishy Fingers]

That be sweet.

Me, I'll take a few more FPS games please :) Mind you I'm a FPS whore, I hate having a "character" on screen, FPS just seems to draw me in more.

[The Closing]

I wish this game had the option for fps to 3rd person view.

[AlterEgo]

why FPS games couldn't have the OPTION to be shown in 3rd person?

all it [seems like it] would take...is a simple pull back from the camera and fix it in that position. bam. presto. instant purchase for a lot of games i crossed over simply because (back in the day) i HAATTEEED first person games.

I'd MUCH rather play 3rd person (a la MGS/SOCOM/Warhawk/Ghost Recon)

but as of Rainbow Six: Vegas, COD4, Portal...and a few others...I've kind of started to appreciate FPS for what they are, even though I really don't see how the game is hindered by having the player showing.

My gripe is...the character is ALREADY MODELED! Like in some games...there's mirrors where you can see your character fully detailed...or like in R6: Vegas...going into cover...the player is already modeled completely...but there's still only an FPS option.

Same in this scenario. Of COURSE I'm getting Killzone 2...and probably a LOT of other FPS games that come out, but I still prefer 3rd Person shooters.

Actually, can anybody explain why the 'option' isn't there? I do think I've seen some games with the option...though not very many. It seems like a VERY small addition that would make a world of difference because now you have 2 target audiences instead of one. Me and ALL my friends IRL are JUST now getting into fps due to COD4.

[sonarus]

You and i are one and the same alter ego. Used to hate fps with all my heart. But this gen its like i am forced to like it.

[The Closing]

I still hate fp view because you can only play the game so long without getting dizzy. It's cool it short bursts, but shouldn't be the only view in games. With the perfection of the over the shoulder camera view last gen with RE4 I've come to expect to see all shooters done in a similar fashion. This game should be worth the dizziness though.

[JBaby343]

The option to choose between 1st and 3rd person would be sweet. I'm excited to see what else can be done with this engine because the textures, lighting, and amount of stuff on-screen (especially volumetric explosions and what-not) they will be able to do amazing things once it's refined even more.

[Luca Blight]

The reason FPS shooters don't have the "option" to go into 3rd person is because you bring on a whole new set of obstacles in 3rd person. Think about it...

1. The camera in first person is from the view of the player and is controlled as if you were actually there, if you go into 3rd person, you'd have to design a whole camera system to account for this.
2. Whole new animations would be needed for the main character. Whereas in first person you don't really need any main character animations besides basic gun-holding/reloading ones (infinetely easier than modeling the whole human body in action and interacting with objects/terrain), 3rd person games require a lot more thought and development in this particular area. Furthermore in first person all you really need to do is make sure the main character's view is a locked 6 feet above the ground (unless you jump or crouch), in third person you need to account for how the character reacts with his surroundings (amongst other things)

It's definetely easier to go from 3rd person to 1st person than it is the other way around.

[Foolsjoker]

There is an actual reason behind the problems between having a game that is a FPS turn into a 3rd person one. Depending on the way the game is, there are illusions that pop up with the change of view that must be accounted for. This is all dependent on the way in which the makers create the game of course.

By illusions i mean depth, its basically what we use in real life with 'stereopsis'. So somethings just wont look right, ive heard a number of animators have this issue. Not sure how R6:V does it though, but than again the detail differences are incredible.

[Kleptic]

the part where Sev pulls that other guy up over the ledge is the single coolest in game scene I have ever witnessed in gaming...it looks like a sci-fi movie...

[DarthTigra]

Imo,everything in the game now excluding the gun looks better than what was shown at E305.The gears 2 gameplay vid is coming tonight i would like to see how it compares to killzone.We are probally going to get 20 comparsion videos and pic's zooming in 1000 percent to show the surperior game(Graphically)lol.

[HighDefinition]

I don`t think GeoW2 is gonna even come close to what KZ2 is doing graphically. From GeoW I expect to see more enemies on screen and a bit more polish. Hopefully it moves better as well, more like Uncharted, that would be nice.

[The Closing]

Everything looks better now, and that's quite a feat. Both Gears, and Killzone will most likely be great shooter games. But you can't compare them graphicly since K2 is on a whole nother level.

[HighDefinition]

But hey.

Even if, it`s quite unbelievable.

[JBaby343]

Not that it will look bad but honestly this looks superb. I'm glad the extra dev time has really paid off. I don't see any way that UE3 engine can match this. But we'll see soon enough and the flame wars will have several more battles.

[Kleptic]

I can't wait to see what Epic has done with Gears 2 tonight...I trust that Epic will deliver another great game...but imo its just a matter of development time that could hold Gears 2 back...

that MS guy was bragging about there being 2 Gears of War games before Killzone 2 even launches...I wouldn't brag about that...4 years tends to be a great window to make a near perfect game...GTAIV is a recent example...the fact that Epic is still messing around with UT3 on 360...and they spent a lot of last year finishing up UT3 on a totally different platform...that doesn't leave a lot of time to get Gears 2 up to this caliber...but we will find out tonight...

this could end up being the best shootout of this generation...

[King_many_layers]

What is with the Gears of War comparison to KILLZONE. it's ridiculous. Texture wize Gears of War 2 should look better and I can say that from using LOGIC. Look at the demo released of SIREN: New translation ( or blood curse ) the game is in third person as you start. the textures look bloody great, go up near them and they still look great, BUT, if you use the first person view from there you see a significant difference, which is why it seems that the textures are lower in FPS games Because you go much closer to them. If KILLZONE was a third person shooter than this would be way ahead of what we have now and that's absolutely fantastic at it's fairly early stage in time.

Please stop this strange comparison.

[DomUltra]

*fap*fap*fap* OMFG!

We're gonna need some Crysis comparison videos/screens soon.

[DomUltra]

Uh oh! Looks like the Xbot's jumped all over my bubbles what a damn shame.

[heyheyhey]

people criticized GG to no end for that 2005 trailer

they must be right smug sitting in their offices laughing their face off after having matched the CGI trailer and shutting haters up- and the game isn't even finished yet, its going to look mind-blowing at launch

they're a great dev team, just haven't been given a chance to shine yet

[pwnsause]

they were never given the chance cause of the dumb### haters who dont know how to make a video game. im so happy they are shutting these haters up.

[Kleptic]

oh I am sure they were never that tore up about the criticism....they have been laughing all the way to the bank ever since Sony cut them a check for nearly $60 million...and said 'take all the time you need'...

[BlackIceJoe]

I really think KZ2 looks better now then in 05 but there is only one thing I think that looks better in the 05 trailer is the guns the look more life like and even that is not a big deal.

I so would love to see the KZ2 trailer from 05 running on the Engine GG are using now so then people could put the two trailer next to each other and you could see how much the same they look.

[mrguru]

definitely for the most part looks better than e3 trailer. wow. now just to work on level designs and gameplay for em for the next 9 months, thet graphics were the hard part.

[pwnsause]

Just a little bit more GG and this game will be amazing.

[DarthTigra]

It already is.

[McValdemar]

How to completely turn off the brain.
See the 2005 video (not that foggy resized screens) in 720p.
See the 2008 video in 720p.

How you can even remotly say that now the game looks better?

Killzone 2 looks REALLY GREAT but stop saying nonsense.

The 2005 was ONLY CG, with raytraced lights, and incredible detail, starf***ing awesome animations, the level of polish was so high that...
...that was obvious since it was CG.

How can, someone with a brain, say that the good engine of Killzone 2 looks better than CG?
This is the kind of news I would like to be avoided in N4G.

[heyheyhey]

so what if it's CGI?

doesn't mean that if devs put their backs into it they can't match the quality

Killzone 2 lives up to that CGI trailer full stop, the lighting lives up, the detail lives up, the texture lives up, everything lives up

@below

CG means computer generated

[joevfx]

You guys are really making things confusing by using the letters CG to talk about the 2005 E3 showing. EVERYTHING IS CG. CG means computer graphics, I bet they used the exact same models and textures in both renders. Or atleast used the high poly models of the E3 showing to drive the low poly game models, BUT BOTH ARE CG. the difference you are seeing is in the render engines. Obviosly a software based renderer that doesnt have to render something in real time is gonna look better. They prolly used mental ray or Render man to render the E3 showinh stuff. Those are movie quality renders.

with that said, you have to be an idiot not to be impressed with what they got out of the real time game renderer.

[TresTrendu]

I agree totally, People are just wanting it to look that good. Maybe that's why they are saying it is.

[Kleptic]

on a technical level, there are things in the pre-rendered trailer simply not possible yet...

but on an opinion basis...I prefer the look of the real time gameplay...I like the lighting more, even if its not as advanced (its still pretty friggin' ridiculous looking though)...and talk about the NPC animations of the 05 trailer all you want...there isn't a game to date that has as awesome death animations as this in game stuff...when you sling lead into a helghast and watch his body contort and bounce with an extreme sense of weight...nothing looks better...and the realism of the blood splatter is awesome as well...

[ps3gogetitt]

BE real, i know sony can give us a card board box cut out game and most will still defend it but, the real time does not look as good as the CG, check out the animations and also less color in the real time (more grays) it looks amazing and will probably look better than gears 2 but be real.

[McValdemar]

But if even the article says that seen in motion the E3 2005 looks better (obviously I would say), how can people say that they matched the quality or even surpassed?

An engine is someting not static. And many features/details can only be understood in motion.

I really don't get the point of this RIDICULOUS comparison instead of simply saying "the gamelooks great" and forget a CG trailer that won't EVER be reached by PS3/360.

[Kain81]

WORK IN PROGRESS
(out in 9 MONTH)
Who Knows what Improvements will come Graphicwise and Gameplaywise

[TresTrendu]

What is funny CG could say we didn't even come close to the trailer. " We took out color, made it darker, dropped it down to 720p and didn't use as fluid of animation's and dropped the polygon count way down and particle effect's. CG could say that and people would still disagree.

[Whoooop]

It's GG not CG... Troll

[Shadowmania]

the PSDay version look better

[Ace Ventura]

Amazing.

[LorD]

@ALTEREGO

The reason why you dont have the option to go into 3rd person view in 1st person games is because it gives you an unfair advantage. In 3rd person you can rotate the camera to see around corners and whatnot. This may not be too important in singleplayer, but in multiplayer it simply doesn't work.

[The Closing]

It's called over the shoulder.

[PoSTedUP]

things look real in those screen shots

[electristan]

I agree in the stills the 2008 version looks better, but the whole reason we were so blown away was that in 2005 the trailer looked AMAZING. Far better than what everyone else was showing.

Anyone can release a cgi trailer three years before the game is out an blow people away. Tech moves a lot in three years so over all I'm not really impressed .

[PimplePopperMD]

its been three years people. why are you mainsteamers so easily impressed.and how the hell was killzone 2 at e3 05. oh yeah, it wasnt.

retarded 'journalists'

[HighDefinition]

Your entire comment is strange.

Explain yourself, atleast.

[OOG]

meh the new vid does look good..

Not as good as the CG when you see them in motion since the CG was flawless with everything that was going on.....

Only reason GG is getting so much trash talk and sony is the fact of trying to pawn off CG vids as real gameplay.....whcih it obviously wasnt and was proved down the road....hence why this game disappeared basically all the way to e3 2007.....2 whole years and now a real good video that looks like 2005 CG vid in 2008....3 years later.....

But it will be interesting to see how the game goes when it is totally done...could be a nice lil fps gem

[Retro-Virus]

The fact is GG delivered and for some, that may be too hard to accept.

Fanboys and Fabgirls, SONY delivered on their promises !

Killzone-2 in it's current form looks much better than the original vision Guerilla set out to do.

You know, all those naysayers should be held accountable. Oh well !

[599 US Dollars]

They definitely made some nice improvements over the passed year (woah, they added normal/bump mapping. what a surprise). However, the AI still looks pretty lame. Looks like it's on easy mode or something. In Halo, you could never do that. Halo 3 has the best AI on the planet, handsdown, with FEAR and Half-Life 2 closely trailing. Krapzone isn't in the same league as these shooters. I'd put it next to Red Faction or Area 51 or something lol. So much for TEH Cell and living AI patterns.

[The Closing]

Halo's a joke. A disney kids game.

[Vito_corleone]

Did u grow up in an orphanage?

[JBaby343]

Keep dreaming Halo has anything on this. You need to open your eyes.

[bigcheda]

most demos to the press are in God mode so the noobs dont just keep dying

they still have 6-8 months until release to work on it too...thats the scary part

[LorD]

@McValdemar

Appart from the raytraced lights, and true volumetric smoke, there is nothing that a good engine can't do that you can do in CG.

The animations use the same mo-cap data, so there should be no discernible difference there.

Color correction, post-filters, anti-aliasing, motion blur and depth of field is easily achievable on the PS3.

Heck, I even saw a tech-demo one year ago that did real-time global-illumination and radiosity. Now THAT will change the face of gaming forever.

Even when all is said and done, the original KZ2 CG trailer used in-game assets.

BTW, I do CG for a living.

[xaphanze]

The animations(transitions) and explosions in the old one look better, and everything else looks better in the new one, but that doesnt mean the new one can't surpass the old one.9 months to go.

[Maldread]

Yeah, i was going to say the same thing. I also think there is a lot more interaction between the characters themselves and the environment, and more stuff going on generally, which is to be expected though. I must say they`ve got a lot close than i though they would.

The bottom line is that the game looks superb, and there is still 9 mounts to go, so it`s not the graphics that are the issue for me.

If they can get a smooth 30fps, and get the gameplay interesting that will be enough for me. I`m not talking about it being the most innovative FPS ever (the cover system seems like a cool addition though), just that it manages to be more varied that the first Killzone and be more fun to play.

If that`s "just" a prettier version COD4 with a great, gritty atmosphere, i`ll be more than happy, because that`s "all" i`m hoping it will be. Ohh, and a kickass multiplayer would be cool too ;)

[Aclay]

All I've got to say is this, Killzone 2 looks EPIC.

I already know that Killzone 2 will have a pretty good story/campaign mode because the first Killzone did, and all Killzone 2 needs now to be Halo 3/COD4 killer is superior multiplayer because Killzone 2's graphics and physics have already surpassed Halo 3 and COD4's.

Killzone 2 is the shooter that I've been waiting for. The 3rd installment of Killzone should definanlty get out quicker though, but Killzone 2 was obviously built from the ground up, and I can understand why it's been in development for 3+ years. MGS4 has been in development for 4 years, so I don't see why everyone is making a big deal about Killzone 2's development.

[callahan09]

Killzone 2 will be stunning and amazing, and it'll get universally mild reviews in the 70-80 range. That's my prediction. They'll say the level design isn't innovative and the AI isn't good enough. It doesn't matter if it's leaps and bounds better than other games in other areas but merely doesn't revolutionize in the same areas that other games don't either... they'll hold it against this game while simultaneously letting the same issues fly unchecked in games like Gears of War 2. Do I believe there's an American gaming-media bias to the benefit of Microsoft and the detriment of Sony and Nintendo? Yes I do. But I'm a conspiracy theorist at heart.

[mistertwoturbo]

@callahan

I agree. A frame rate dip on a PS3 game, -.5 points overall rating. A frame rate dip on a 360 game, "not enough to mess up gameplay"

Less pop ups on a PS3 version, and more pop ups on the 360 version actually means "They are on par."

[zapass]

not even the same league, period.

xbots need to face some hard realities.
I know it's tough and painful to admit but it's so obvious now that they'd better tone down the pathetic macho blabla.

[Avto]

I don't know about gameplay but this game is the best looking console game ever and by the looks of the things it will stay thus for quite some time after release

[OLD MAN]

maybe if crysis looked like this, then it could be compared with killzone 2's visuals, get over it pc fans, that game crysis is old news now, killzone 2 is cgi rank, and crysis is perfect dark zero rank with huge levels i mean who are you kidding? that crysis has outlived its hype which its visuals were hyped beyond belief i have seen every bit of crysis footage in the highest settings and yet i cannot see what you pc fans are holding on to as saying,"its the best looking" or "this game is next to killzone 2" man please, the game is the best visuals for sandbox games, but as for ingame visuals and just amazing visuals that can be mistaken as a movie? crysis isnt in this comparison son.

http://www.gametrailers.com...

[DomUltra]

I actually just watched about a half hours worth of Video of Killzone 2 and Crysis, they're comparable but the draw distance and dynamic foliage is obviously giving Crysis an upper hand, but for pure CGI effect and likeness I'm gonna have to side with Killzone, I'm gonna end up comparing this to Far Cry 2 as well, I'd obviously like to see the finished product of all 3 excluding Crysis from that statement.

[granataaz]

i can finally agree with my 360 fanboy friends that E32005's wasn't what it will look like. IT WILL BE BETTER:D:D:D and hey guys- gears of war was a great game. the killzone original, not that amazing.. I have both systems. They both will be good, but i have a feeling killzone 2 will be better.

[ApocalypseShadow]

doesn't want to wrap their heads around killzone 2 hitting the target because it would mean ANOTHER thing sony was right about.let's take a look.....

was sony right about bluray?yup.don't see any hd-dvd/vs bluray articles anymore.microsoft tried to counter with hd-dvd,but failed.and bluray has gotten pretty much every feature hd-dvd had.

was sony right about standard and larger hard drives for games and downloads in the future?yup.why did microsoft add a larger hard drive sku unless MORE space was needed for content?

was sony right about hdmi for next gen televisions?yup.right again.they do make tvs you know.microsoft said component is just as good as hdmi for next gen tvs.but then,why redesign and make hdmi 360s?

was sony right about CELL for games?yup.right again.more devs are saying ps3 has more untapped power than 360.not (((ONE))) dev says that 360 has more untapped power than ps3.

which brings us to killzone.sony said that the TARGET VIDEO could be achieved on ps3.and as we are seeing each time killzone shows up,it gets better and better.and proves phil was right about killzone meeting and exceeding gamers(not haters)expectations on what the final code will do when we saw it.and some have played it and agree.

only armchair haters disagree because it would mean sony was right again.even COD4 benefited from sony launching that trailer in 2005.did COD2 or COD3 look like killzone?NOPE.but 2 years later,COD4 looks in many areas to be just like what sony showed with killzone in 2005.amazing how coincidental that was.

look 360 fans,you have a preference with 360.and that's fine.but sony has proven time and time again,they were RIGHT.and microsoft wrong.because then microsoft wouldn't have had to upscale to 1080p or add hdmi or add a larger hard drive or allow bigger downloads from xbl that started with castlevania or "possibly",adding a motion controller.(making them behind the curve again)

killzone "meets and exceeds sony fans expectations."and our expectations are sometimes too high.but sony succeded again.thanks sony for reaching high.

megaton.............

[OLD MAN]

since ps3 isnt a console, i dont know why crazy pc fans are still bringing up crysis, its old news, and was ever since e3 2007, i mean if killzone 2 beats the old trailer, then why in the world is the game still being compared by pc fans to crysis? leave it pc fans, crysis is over.

[OLD MAN]

but, get over yourself man, i respect crysis, but there is simply no where near as much in crysis as in killzone 2, the game looks like CG, crysis looks like a normal game, nothing near what killzone 2 looks like, if you say crysis and killzone 2 look the same then you say that crysis looks better than that trailer i posted in the initial first statement i posted, and thats not true, so please take of the crysis crytek goggles and get real son.

[LinuxGuru]

Whoa....

It looks BETTER than the 05 CGI....holy cow!!!

WOWWWW

[Luca Blight]

The fluidity of the animations for the NPCs is still better in the original video. There are still a couple little things the original trailer has over the new gameplay vids like extra detail (ex: rocks in the street). That being said, I am still incredibly impressed at how amazing Killzone 2 looks.

I really never thought they could get close to (or even surpass in some respects) the '05 CG trailer, but I was wrong!

[LevDog]

Omg I cant believe the detail in the rocks and walls of the pics.. The explosions look amazing..

I know what your gonna say, Your just saying that cause your a sony fanboy.. Which in a way yes..BUT I played killzone on Ps2 hoping it would take me away from Socom.. which it didnt.. So when they announced KZ2 even with that amazing 05 video..I didnt get that excited, it was just another game

With that being said.. I dont care if your a 360 fan or PS3 or Wii fan.. But you cannot deny that.. That is by far the best looking shooter right now..

Will the finished product look like that.. We all hope soo.. Will it live up to the hype.. Hope so.. but there is no denying how good it looks at this point.. With almost 8 months more to make it better

360 fans your can disagree and say GOW2 is gonna be better.. but you know and we know you have to cause your defending your console but we all know deep down your a lil jealous

[Figboy]

remember, only one short generation ago, when the difference between in engine, and CG was BLATANTLY OBVIOUS?

the fact that we are even arguing the finer points between a CG VIDEO, and an actual game, running REAL TIME on the Playstation 3 is fascinating to me.

i mean, god, i grew up with games like this:

http://www.atariage.com/260...

please keep in mind that these were the ONLY games we had to play back then. there were no alternatives. there was no online. there was no multi-player, voice chat, in game XMB, just a joystick, a button, and what you see in that screenshot.

and now, we have games that look like this:

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3...

whether or not Killzone 2 matches the CG trailer pixel for pixel is, personally, of little concern to me. the fact that it looks like it does, Alpha or not, is AMAZING!!

i'm continually impressed by how gaming has progressed since i was a boy, and as long as the game is fun, whether or not it matches the CG 100% isn't important.

come February 2009, this game will be in my Playstation 3, running on my HDTV, and that's enough for me.

i mean, check this out:

http://www.got-next.com/med...

http://www.product-reviews....

and

http://www.gamepro.com/sony...

http://www.digitalartsonlin...

can you guess which two pairs of screenshots are in game, and which ones are CG?

i thought you could.

but this?

http://talkplaystation.com/...

it ain't really that easy, is it?

some of you guys need to relax, and simply marvel in the fact that there is something here to debate in the FIRST PLACE.

[mistertwoturbo]

"the fact that we are even arguing the finer points between a CG VIDEO, and an actual game, running REAL TIME on the Playstation 3 is fascinating to me"

that says a lot right there lol. If you look at the playstation day trailer in game trailers, you see some of the comments below are pretty funny. I saw stuff like "Looks great, but let's see some actual gameplay and not a CGI trailer."

The fact that people are mistaking it for a CGI trailer says a lot already.

Can anybody imagine Final Fantasxy XIII? I sure cant. I think Square Enix's claim of making the game look CGI quality is not far fetched at all. As great as Guierilla Games is making Killozne 2 graphics, I'm going to have to say Square Enix is the only people that's going to top this. Heck, they top everything on every system they develope Final Fnatasy on. I'm getting shivers.

[Z501]

Unreal Engine

[LevDog]

Hey some people like the super huge buff character models.. I mean Those steroid juiced players that look the like hulk can be cool ya know...

I mean maybe if your a lil kid, but I like realistic character models...

So I will agree with your statment and laugh at the Unreal Engine

HA HA HA hahahahahahahah

[The Closing]

But I will agree this game is stylistically far superior. Those rioded out character builds were the only thing that really bugged me about gears, which is not the fault of the unreal engine, but the devs.

I think the style, and graphics of killzone is already proven to be vastly superior, but they still need to prove they can make a game with game play as fun as Gears, and that's a pretty steep mountain to climb. We'll see.

Kind pointless to bring this up in open zone though because most in here don't have the capability of rationalization.

[Angelitos]

I think Gears 2 is gonna look great, but im not sure killzone 2 level graphics.

[Bazookajoe_83]

Im amazed, i have some big hopes on this game.

[Azures]

I expect Gears 2 to look great but not have nearly as much stuff going on in the environments. Thats just how Epic rolls.

[RodStewart]

This guy starts spitting at the 2:15-2:30 MARK. BRING YOUR RAIN COATS.

[Daz]

I think the cg in still better but the game does look bloody good but that only counts for some of the game.

[bootsielon]

KZ2 looks great the way it is now but the 2005 trailer has an amount of detail that even Crysis developers dream of achieving in real time. Those visuals might just happen next gen when PS4 comes out. Seriously, the buildings, the draw distance, the polygons, the faces, the explosions... E3 2005 was too good to be true. But then again, I'll wait till the final product comes out.

[Lionsguard]

I still think the 2005 trailer looks better in some areas. Look at the smoke when the other craft explodes. The 2005 trailer is much better whereas the 2007 trailer is just 2D sprites. Also the character models look like they have more weight to them in the 05 trailer. Don't get me wrong though, for a pre-alpha they are really nailing it perfectly. I didn't even know if they could get anywhere close to the original trailer but they are really there. Just a few more tweaks and won't be able to tell the difference.

[Luca Blight]

especially about the character "weight" and smoke comments. Bubble to you!

[Lionsguard]

Thanks I wish the ones who disagree at least offered rebuttal as to why you disagree with me. Damn KZ radicals..

[DJ]

I hope they didn't tone down the blood permanently though, 'cause it was the best blood I'd ever seen (E3 2007 build).

[juuken]

And they say the PS3 has no games...
Now THIS is a game.
Take that you naysayers.

[OLD MAN]

since you want to keep saying,"oh, the 2005 trailer has this and that"

in e3 2005:

-was there blood?

-was there destructible enviornments in the level of the new trailer?

-did characters react to gunshots when shot?

-did the characters enter a scene where a character boosts another onto a platform as shown in the new trailer?

-was as much going on onscreen as the new trailer?

-was weathering even existant in the 2005 trailer?

im not even close to gathering the things that the 2005 trailer couldnt dream of that are in the new trailers, all i know is that the new trailer has trumped the old trailer, and can only boost even further over it from here, so get out of the nonsense of the thought that the overglorified graphics ripoff crysis, nor the 2005 killzone 2 trailer can compete with the new killzone 2 trailer, cause it aint happening.

also, have you seen the opening parts of the trailer? there are things in it that look like movie, the clouds have whooped the old clouds from the 2005 trailer, the killzone 2 letters, and when the dug into the dirt and hit the ship, the part where the two ships collided. that old trailer is toast, not to mention the destruction of the bridge, the old trailer is distant memory, the new trailer is king. now crysis that wasnt impressive since......................... ............................... ............................nev er really, its just hyped so cause pc fans have to defend the statement,"pcs are always superior to consoles" although ps3 isnt a console, but also cause crysis is pcs only "good graphics" exclusive, although killzone 2 has transcended graphics, and entered cgi era ingame, so theres no comparison, maybe you could compare the cgi nanosuit trailer to killzone 2, but that probably would also loose, its only the truth, so i dont know why crysis is even in the comparison, pc fans just dont want their platform to be left out, so they throw in the best trump card and only trump card they have which is crysis, but that fails miserably, but since crytek talks all high about pc, and says yet all manner of trash about ps3 and xbox, pc fans still believe that they have authority to say garbage like,"killzone 2 is nearly at crysis level" or "killzone 2 is right up by crysis" and other things to make it seem as if crysis is still in the race, but its poof and be gone, it was eliminated if you are real with yourself back when eight days and wardevil were shown, and all the other ps3 games in 2005 forward, but crytek and pc fans marketing, which i believe are hired crytek and pc HITMEN, want to keep their final fighting chance alive.

now i know that i will probably get way more dissagrees than agrees, but thats only because either crytek has brainwashed you all, or your paid pc and crytek supporters that flood all gaming forums, or as i originally said, all forums which are gaming consist of 98% pc fans, this is the truth, thats why you say anything about anything looking better than crysis or rivaling crysis, and the pc fans come running.

just watch

[mistertwoturbo]

One thing people keep forgetting is that the new most recent "Trailer" was just ACTUAL GAMEPLAY footage pieced together. Which is a absolutely amazing. And Quaz51 already hinted that the game will probably be in 1280x720 Quincunx 2MSAA resolution. Which is amazing considering the stable 30 frames per second and the amount of detail and things going on at once.

[trancefreak]

I dont think this game has to compete with any game it brings it all. this is the game other games will try to emulate. btw hats off to GG for living up to the e3 trailer. i think the game looks better IMO than the cg.

[THE TERMINATOR]

it beats the 2005 trailer hands down if you cant see that in those comparison shots you are blind

[xg-ei8ht]

http://www.gamersyde.com/ne...

Download the hd vid already.

Its pure class!!!

[IQUITN4G]

Why is it though that i only ever go wow when watching the E3 2005 trailer.Killzone 2 current form doesn't make me go holy sh!t like that and that's just a fact

Killzone 2 looks real nice but the trailer is doing things not possible by constraints of the software - unless you predefine it all.If it were doing things like the trailer showed in a sandbox type way and without any of the prescripting, then can it be said that it's indeed better than the trailer.

Not to mention insane ammouts of geometry that will likely not be possible on even next gen.

I have no idea if Killzone 2 will deliver but what it definitely wont do is technically trump the trailer - that's impossible

[THE TERMINATOR]

Graphically its beaten the trailer cant you see that?

[Tmac]

Good to know some people are still in a state of denial.

[pwnsause]

if your talking about this trailer that just released, then let me state the news, THE GAMERS DAY 2008 KILLZONE TRAILER WAS ALL IN-GAME!!! I WILL REPEAT, ITS ALL IN-GAME AND IT IS RUNNING ON A CONSOLE!!!! and it has beaten the 2005 pre-rendered Trailer and the E3 2007 trailer.

[40cal]

I am still buying Killzone 2 come Feb. Then God of War III in March. ;)

[DJ]

I can see a lot of stuff that can still be improved. The AI is perfect, the animation is perfect, the lighting is spectacular, but the ambient physics/interactions still need to be implemented. What I'm talking about is rubble and debris, on the ground, falling from structures above, etc. Also, the explosions and volumetrics looked spectacular, but the lack of craters and (you guessed it) debris was pretty obvious.

It's sort of the drawback of pushing the technology so hard. Everything has to be jaw-dropping, otherwise anything that's even slightly behind stands out. Will they put it in? Definitely. All I'm hoping for are some jungle/forest levels, because that was my Favorite segment of Killzone 1. Oh, and they better bring back the Park Station and Beach levels from the first game.

So far it looks like a 10/10. But everyone's pushing Guerilla to make it 20/10. =P

[IQUITN4G]

Either people can't read or they don't like the truth being said.

Not you or myself know if Killzone 2 is going to be ace or not.What we do know however is how nice it's currently looking and how at least from a technical point it wont excede the trailer.There is nothing to dispute here this is a fact.

Unless you know a thing or two about how much geometry is used to make these renders stop making tw%tish comments.

Take a look at the very first showing of the E3 2005 trailer and ask yourself if you'd rather be playing what it is now.Art style is the only thing i would say looks better now for it being darker but that first showing is class like no other - Sony denial

Some real idiots on here as the disagrees clearly show

[pwnsause]

dude, it surpassed the 2005 pre-rendered trailer. you are in denial http://talkplaystation.com/...

[mistertwoturbo]

@Adro, You just have a really weak argument. You have to look at things like the Lighting, the particle effects, the overall color saturation, the fire animations, the explosion animations, just everything as a whole. The 2008 trailer surpasses the 2005 trailer. But obviously seeing as how the 2005 trailer is done in CGI, of course it's going to have better character animations. It's not limited by hardware.

But the sheer FACT that the 2008 GAMEPLAY trailer looks that good and surpassing even the details in a CGI trailer is what's amazing.

So stop saying people are in denial when it is in fact that you are the one that is in denial. Go play Gears of War to make yourself feel better already jeeze.

[Kratos_1986]

killzone 2 ownz big time

[QuackPot]

Explosions and rocket trails, the useable vehicles. And for sure being able to shoot at Helghast below from the Intruder.

The graphic quality are or has been achieved already.

Now GG needs to work on killer AI, physics and reduce the linear gameplay in SP. These where the common problems with Killzone.

[IQUITN4G]

You guys truly have no clue.Yes i hear what you say regarding the details, my point has always been about joining animations etc and sheer ammount of polygons - you can't match the renders which is what 99% of you seem to be argueing here.

Killzone2 is a great achievement but that's not what i'm talking about here at all.

And not just this anyway, the original trailer is one of the most thrilling movies of this type and that just isn't part of what we see when we watch the new in game stuff - fact

Some of the Gears original shots were clearly not in game, and had there been a boast that the final game's graphics equalled these, i would be similarly calling bs on such a claim