Cliffy B: We Only Scratched the Surface of the 360

In an interview with Gamepro:

Having worked on Xbox 360, from a technology standpoint, how much more do you think the system can be pushed with future games?

"I think there's plenty of room to push and experiment when it comes to physics and AI and real-time lighting. I think we've only scratched the surface of what we can do with gameplay as well as the 360. There's far more potential down the road to do more stuff. As amazing as I think Gears is, and my gut tells me I still love playing it, I think we have a really incredible experience; I think we'll definitely push it further if we get around to dong a new version in the future."

Read the full interview

[Deceased]

PS3 fanboys, we have the best looking game on the console and pc and you are stuck with resistance. And guess what there is more power to be tapped, Gears of War 2 will be the shiz. Looks like CG but its not, it is real time baaaby baaabaay.

[eques judicii]

don't bash ps3 unwarranted... both systems will put out graphics at about an equal level... just bask in the glory that is GoW!

[Deceased]

The truth is finally coming out, the PS3 launch lineup sucks, Resistance sucks (ask 1up). All you have to look forward to is motorstorm and from what i've heard it looks decent but the controls suck.

[TheXgamerLive]

The slightly weaker and handicapped rsx and cell graphical combo w/256 + 256 (thats not easliy or unified useable at will) will only have a seemingly equal graphics or game play version when there's a ported game that's to be made playable on both but as with COD3, it's much better on the Xbox 360 w/60fps etc...more detailed environments ...
But still yes, the ps3 will have some eventual great games, the developers will find a way to make it look good as well.

[Retard]

Aheemm... I do believe PCs are the powerhouse of all Graphics and Power... don't... put PC's to Consoles ... ever.

[Daytona]

PC's are the most readily upgradeable yes, but for atleast the next 1 or so, the Xbox 360 will be better than most any and all PC games. Hell, even the ps3 will do the same for a time, why?? Easy. Most people who own PC's don't nor will they ever have in the near or distant future a gaming card or processor as powerful as these console's. Could you build one more powerful now, probably not but in the next maybe 6 months or so you probably could for $3K, but most don't have that money. In fact, most PC users today probably run a type of celeron processor and maybe a 64 meg video card, even less on alot of laptops, so your incorrect in that reponce, but I do know what you were saying. If everyone had a more useable income then sure most would always have the current top of the line gaming PC but most don't have the throw away cash.

[marionz]

gears wouldnt be possible on ps3 due to the split ram....came from the horses mouth guys

[THWIP]

"K-Fed was there to promote his album....he ruined Britney" :D

Cliffy B. is such a cool guy....the savior and posterboy of the gaming industry.

[Silver Bull3t]

yeah Cliffy, I think you should dong a new version in the future too... hehe

[power of Green]

I read that a while ago when cliffy mentioned the fact in the past, Sony fanboys Crucified my ass for pointing that out the other day as if i sined.

[calderra]

You mean games releaed in the second year of a console's life don't tap that console's full power!?!?!?

STOP THE PRESSES!

Somebody needs to tell the console industry- this startling revalation could change the world!

(Seriously, people.)

[THWIP]

...this is an OBVIOUS response to those (primarily Sony fanboys) who say that Gears is as good as it will EVER get on the 360. Hell, if you listen to Sony, the PS3 will someday be capable of 4D gaming, and in-game graphics equal to the CGI of the Spider-Man movies. :o

[Capt CHAOS]

Didn't Sony say that about the PS2. Lol

[BlackCountryBob]

Call me ignorant but what is the 4th dimension?

[Yo Wassap]

there are 13 dimensions, people used to think that the 4th dimension was time (it's no longer thought of like that though), 4d gaming won't exist as we live in a world of 3 dimensions (don't listen to adverts for say 4d cinema). The ideas above were posted under 'M theory' in quantum mechanics. The idea also revolves around multiple univearses which has been accepted by certain members of the scientific community.

Sorry if some of you here did not understand what i just said.

[dantesparda]

The 4th dimension is time. And Im sorry people but i beat Gow and its alright. Its alright at best. Its not all that. I mean dont get me wrong, the game is cool and all, but by no means the best game ever. Sh!t not even close! its just an alright game. And the gfx, while cool and all, its not all that! now I now that its better than most games gfx out there. But i just am not blown away by these gfx, FNR3 impressed me more than this. Good, but not incredible. And now people, now that you's have seen GoW, tell me that Crysis dont look much better than it. And am i the only guy getting lag online? and the game is also buggy, very buggy. Its alright, I'na try it on hardcore soon, but i just felt like the game was to repetitive. And you's gotta admit, your crews AI is pretty dumb. I like the berserkers though. I also think that all the cinema scenes with KRAAM or RAAM (or whatever his name is) look pretty good. Good game, but not the best game out there, now way!

[BlackCountryBob]

If time is the fourth dimension then surely this was achieved to a degree on the xbox1 with the Blinx games (they weren't good games but it is my example!)

[FadeToBlack]

Could you please send me some of the pot your smoking? I just cant comprehend you comming to the conclusion of GOW being just an alright game when its got an average rating of 95%??

[BlackCountryBob]

I haven't said a word about GOW, I haven't even played it yet as it isn't out in Europe for another 5 days but even then I wont buy it as I am saving my cash for Rainbow six vegas the following week! Leave that guy to his opinion, Reviewers can only give an impression or what a game is and a score is just something small enough to put on a sticker for the game box, can you honestly say that every game which was ever rated highly in the press you have loved coz I aint.

[rj81]

First time my submission has made the top!

[CyberSentinel]

Cliffy B = Gaming God.

[TheMART]

Damn fine.

And this is the way it is guys.

Imagine Gears of War 2!!! When I see the difference from Halo 1 to Halo 2, or just the first games on last gen and then in the end getting Doom III, Burnout Revenge, SSX on Tour or Half Life 2 I'll say

I'll be shocked then by the graphics again. I already know that. As I am shocked by the Gears of War graphics and game in general now.

Get it. Just get it. Buy a 360 only for Gears. Even then you won't be dissapointed.

BUY IT NOW

[beans]

GOW 2 will be a bigger leap in graphics than Halo 1 was compared to Halo 2! Remember that the oiginal xbox with it's built in hdd was stuck within it's own theoretical spec limitations and with 360 those limits and boundries no longer exist since the hdd can now be upgraded and so can the system through updates! GOW2 will look 10 times better than part one just as pgr4 will look 10 times better than part 3! I agree with sman780 because in 2 years 360 is going to lay the smack down on graphics versus anything out there are far as consoles are concerned!

[OC_MurphysLaw]

You gotta love Cliffy B. He really is fast becoming "the" spokes person of the gaming industry. I mean, when has their been someone like him who has bridged gaming with the mainstream in such a celeb kind of status. Its almost like he is gamings version of a rock star.

[PS3n360]

Honestly if this is as good as it gets on 360 I am more than happy. I played for 4 hours last night and my jaw is still back home on the floor. The first thing that popped into my head this morning was "GEARS OF WAR" This is a masterpiece. Even hardcore Sony fans should at the very least rent a system for this game. There is no need to miss out on this piece of gaming history. This blows the doors off of any game period. If you like shooters of course. If this came out for PS3 only I would buy one.

[FadeToBlack]

I would buy a ps3 for gow alone if the situation was reversed.

[sman780]

READ and when i say read i mean READ.
"I think there's plenty of room to push and experiment WHEN IT COMES to PHYSICS and AI and REAL-TIME LIGHTING. I think we've only scratched the surface of what we can do with GAMEPLAY as well as the 360" if u really read it write and what cliffy b is saying, he's saying not graphics, but i do think they will improve obviously not a TON, but he was talking other things, and when he said scratched the surface, DURR in GAMEPLAY thats what he said, scratched the surface in gameplay. now saying that, i have a 360 and i cant wait to pick up my fully paid preorder of GOW today since fed ex likes to mess up ORDERS. now i dont care what u people say, u need to wait atleast 2 years for ANYTHING TO BE EVEN IN THE CONSOLE WARS. stop and think for a minute before u post ur arrogant know it all facts.

[power of Green]

"I think there's plenty of room to push and experiment when it comes to physics and AI and real-time lighting. I think we've only scratched the surface". implovments with Water, smoke, lighting, shine, explosions on and on and on and on, wont make the game look better?. Two years from know PS3 won't be able to have all the detail of gow on screen at any given time so you're your comment is NULL. Dont be such a god dam idiot.

[BadTaste]

God you are one stupid r3tard.

[BIadestarX]

Have you seen the latest PS2 games? And what's the PS2 game generation? 10? The fact is that developers never tap the full power of the any console the on the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th generation of games. Some PS2 game look almost next gen! There is always room to improve. New Engines come out, they fine better way to improve graphics, and all aspects of the games. This is why, what you saying means crap. Stop trying to dig into his comments like most fanboys do in order to critisize the 360. The 360 games will continue to improve, so, if I were you I give with with saying, "u need to wait atleast 2 years for ANYTHING TO BE EVEN IN THE CONSOLE WARS" cause 2 years from now developers will continue to find better ways to do things. And know this, Not everything is Hardware, lots of improvement are done in code. i.e. loading streaming (where game loads while the user plays, removing gamers having to wait for game to load) which has nothing to do with the hardware if you consider that both system (360, PS3) have enough memory to do this. Once developer become familiar with the "Out of the box" capabilities of the console(s) hardware, then they'll start coding smarter and games will continue to improve. So, good look waiting for a day where PS3 Games will surpass 360 games.

[TheMART]

Yeah you spelled the article right but...

EVERY CONSOLE LIFE CYCLE THE GAMES AT THE END OF THE LIFE CYCLE HAVE BETTER GRAPHICS THEN AT THE START.

period

And now quit the sh!t. It's true.
Gears of War 2 will shock you as this Gears of War did

[ACE]

cliffy has also said in another article that they r only using 40% of the power of the 360 .

u really r stupid :)

happy gaming peace out

[THE TRUTH]

Has lived up to the hype! BUT you 360 fanboys are acting like little children! I will be the first to say the game is just amazing graphics and online mode 4 vs 4 is just right for this game! I just got the game today and I have to say the graphics did blow me away! The controls could be better but it definetly doesn't take away from the experience!

Its just sad we had to wait a whole damn year to get a game like this, I can't wait to play both Motorstorm and RFOM this Christmas is going to be awesome if you are a gamer and not some crazy fanboy! GOW is the only game that 360 has going for it and not everyone is a shooting game fan I just wish the 360 had some other AAA like GOW in different genres!

GOW equals good fun both online and off and truly met the hype and that is an honest opinion after spending time with it! But what it has to do with PS3 is beyond me! In my opinion its not enough for me to not be excited about getting my hands on a PS3 and enjoying other genres of games I like such as Motorstorm Lair and Heavenly Sword! GOW definetly makes this console war interesting though and its nice to see all three consoles bringing great games to all gamers don't forget the Wii has Zelda coming too!

Stop acting like children and enjoy the game! Epic did a great job and its a shame this game has become a tool for fanboys to argue instead of a tool for gamers to enjoy!

Back to GOW!

[Silver Bull3t]

... but dude what do you expect, your on a game site!... I'm well over 30 and I still get my fan-boy on from time to time! :D

[ACE]

typicle sony fan boy just like sony all smoke and mirriors . people like u need ur head kicked in .

happy gaming peace out :)

[Donkey Slayer]

;0

[Mr Murda]

...I would consider PGR3, GRAW, DOA4, and Oblivion all AAA titles. The gameplay for each of those weren't necessarily revolutionary like GoW, but they definitely represent those genres extremely well. Yeah, it would have been even better to see "true" next gen games earlier, but I wouldn't say that R:FOM or Motorstorm will be revolutionary either. Perhaps wait for MGS4 or Final Fantasy to see a "true" next gen experience for the PS3.

MS did a great job of delivering big on the XBL experience this first year (XBLA, Demos, downloads, etc.) and were overall decent with their game titles, but to say this is the only AAA title for the 360 is a little harsh.

MS will be delivering several AAA titles very soon though (Mass Effect, Bioshock, Viva Pinata, and LOST PLANET). Give Sony a year and we'll see a big difference from their launch titles (BTW CoD2 seemed pretty darn next gen at the time).

[Monchichi025]

From playing Gears of War!!! This game is a MASTERPIECE!!! I'm putting my vote in for best Game ever!!!

[Weapon X]

Get ready to scratch the surface on that much needed hard drive upgrade for that YBOX. LOL I think this system already came out -- yeah, it was called the SEGACD-Rom/32X flux capaciting game machine. Guess you guys are all here after playing through that 6 hours of sp gow -- can't find 7 other little players to join your orgy of mediocrity and 2nd place finishes after all this time? Guess I'd be french-kissin' each other on this site too if there's nothing else to talk about. Yep, makes sense.

Too bad - the honeymoon wears off too quickly, then it's back to the same old YBOX. But with a larger HD you guys should be in good shape ---- whenever the hell that is. LOLOL

[power of Green]

You have to be a teenager your thoughts are monkey-like it's like you ran in here thrashing branches swinging around screaming like a Baboon. Yah! yah! we know: "You no like box thingy" Captain!!! CAVVVVVVEEEEEE!!!!!! MAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!...

[testerg35]

I think you're mistaken... Sony's the one that needed the big HD just so that it can act as a cache for the slow Blu-ray. 5gigs for RR7... adds up quick.

[Cyclonus]

You have a small p3nis

[shysun]

That sounds right to me,it's only been out for a year.

[Thugbot187]

I think you have beat DJ for the crown.

[BIadestarX]

Not just yet, but he is very close. Let's hope DJ maintains his title. I do think DJ it's smarter or know more at a technical level. In other words, he(DJ) he can be convincing from time to time. But sman780 is just a typical fanboy.

[power of Green]

I can see you Sony fans in a rocky dusty pit all jumping up and down in front of a huge black rock slab called the PS3.

[Raist]

"it's a second gen game and there's still room for improvements"

Now THAT's news, really, haha.

Hmm well, i wonder why Shameen Gandhi said than the HD-DVD player's software requires very hard work from the xenon (all cores, all threads), that it's in fact the only software EXCEPT GEARS that requires so much from the cpu.

Ho well, i guess he did a bit of hype, just like the guys from polyphony digital "gran turismo 3 uses all the power of the PS2 !!1!1one"... "ok right maybe not we just made GT4 and it's 10 times better"

[Deceased]

watch the bonus disc that cam with gears of war ce? They had a special update on Unreal Tournament 2007, it looks really nice (no where near gears) I guess they had to tone it down so it will be playable on the ps3. The models look nice, but the environments are meh!

[FKN Unbelievable]

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.

[TheBeginningOfTheEnd]

wait. didnt cliffyB said in previous interviews that they had used all of the 360's power?

[BIadestarX]

actually he said, they were "Taking full advantage of Xbox 360's unprecedented power" it didn't say, "had used all of the 360's power" but nice try on taking his word out of context.

[DJ]

I think a representative of Epic said they had pushed the 360 to its limits, but Cliffy states otherwise. Rule of thumb is that technology gets better and better, so Gears most likely isn't the limit of what the Unreal Engine can do. It's good to hear though that they're bringing that technology over to PCs and the PS3, i.e. Unreal Tournament '07.

I'm not sure why people still claim that developers aren't using all 3 cores in the 360 (seems like a disservice to their talent), but developers have been using all parts of the hardware since launch. Kameo and Project Gotham used all three cores; PG used all 6 threads while Kameo used 5.

[ACE]

CLIFFY SAID IN AN INTERVIEW " we managed to dig out 40% of the 360s power for GOW "

so if gears looks that good plays that good and sounds amazing then i would love to see what 60%-80% would look like.

oh and another thing why do u make ur self look like a siting on the fence kind of fan when clearly u r a sony fan boy ?.

theres alot more coming thats gona blow people away and sonys r-fom and that unreal dont match the quality of gears its fact now live with it :) . did u ever play rally challange 2 on the xbox? that seams to be a better game than motorstorm , i hope ms bring rally challange 3 out on 360 that would rock big time .

[TheBeginningOfTheEnd]

so now i wonder when well start seeing games that us 100% of the 360. theyll look awesome i bet.

[highps3]

lol it will be 6 years down the line and they will still be saying well we are planning on tapping all it has...

lol 360 users got owned. I bet this game doesnt even take up the full DVD9.. lol

[THWIP]

1.) 6 years from now, MS will be ready to launch it's next console....they don't milk old tech until it starts hurting the quality of games, like Sony.

2.) G.O.W. actually only take up about 7.8 GB. How exactly is that a BAD THING?? Intelligent gamers have been saying all along, that Blu-Ray was unnecessary, and Gears proves that....PERIOD.

[Raist]

"they don't milk old tech until it starts hurting the quality of games, like Sony"

Okami, FFXII, GoW2, that's sure hurting the quality of games.

[DJ]

He stated that Gears is 'only' 7.8 Gigabytes.

The size limit of Xbox 360 DVD discs however is 7.9 Gigabytes. The rest of the 8.5 GB is locked off due to security purposes. Looks like they reached the limit in less than a year.

[Agent VX]

Or do you mean like how games such as Tony Hawk and Genji: Days of the Blade on the PS3 are having quite bad frame rate issues. And this is on graphics that are sub par to GOW.

My my, so early on for the PS3 and the system is choking on just decent graphics. Never mind that Tony Hawk doesn't even have online capablities. So far, very disappointing launch titles for the PS3.

[Funky Town_TX]

GEAR is the sh8t. This has nothing to do with the PS3.

[Daytona]

If a sony fanboy is upset by this, don't be, I mean you'll have a couple games to play next year when you finally get your system after shortages are met in may or june.

Games to some extent for the sony ps3 have been in development just as long as games for the Xbox 360. Both were being developed at the same time, sony just had many many many problems and still do but sony should have some good looking games and not just our leftover ports to have on release day, your systems had plenty of time, so don't cry sony fans. You'll get yours, it'll be less then ours in terms of graphics and gameplay, but you'll get yours too.

Resistance is as good as you'll get for a long time since it's been in development for over 2 yrs. just as Gears was so enjoy it. It may only be an ok game but it looks decent so enjoy it when ya can.

[Solidus]

Again I will post his quote:"I think there's plenty of room to push and experiment WHEN IT COMES to PHYSICS and AI and REAL-TIME LIGHTING. I think we've only scratched the surface of what we can do with GAMEPLAY as well as the 360"

Yes messing with the lighting will make the next game look a little better but it will by no means be a insane jump. The jump will come in the AI and other areas of the game. I think this game graphically is maxing the 360 I have hit slow-down(not enought to ruin the experience) several times during the game. And looking at every game coming out for 360(Mass Effect, Halo 3, Bioshock,) Gears trumps them graphically by a landslide. And you shouldnt be suprised thats how the original xbox 1 was the great game being Halo 1. Halo 2 did look better but not OMG its insane difference better. It had better textures and that was about it. Sony on the other hand really does build systems that can be pushed harder and harder as time goes on.

[THWIP]

"Sony on the other hand really does build systems that can be pushed harder and harder as time goes on"
You can't be f***ing serious!?! The PS2 was underpowered and outdated, the day it hit the shelves. There has never, and WILL never be a game made for the PS2, that could hold up to the likes of Crimson Skies, Thief:DS, Riddick, Halo 2, Morrowind, Jade Empire etc. The only thing devs have improved on with the PS2 in 6 years, is a few lighting and texture TRICKS, to try and emulate the normal/bump mapping that the XBOX can do. It STILL can't do water right (Primal had the best), and every game ever made is laden with aliasing.

[TheMART]

List Freaking Fony Fanboy

Let's try to explain to you again

At the beginning of the life cycle of a console the maximum is never pushed.

And did you watch Halo and Halo 2 yourself in the improvement of graphics? It is a large leap if you look at it.

See the first year of games and the last year. Come back again then.

In the end I think the AI is maybe even more important to improve then the graphics. It's also gameplay not only graphics in a game.

But you bet, not only Gears, but Bioshock, Halo 3 it's only on 360 and rocking.

[Weapon X]

LOLOL -- what's wrong?? Did all you guys already finish all of the NONSTOP action in your sp gow game and can't find 7 people to play with now????/ LOL Woo-HOo!!! Sorry 6 hours of gameplay doesn't cut it does it guys???? Oh well.....Better get 'ol cliffy B, to start carving out more room on that hard-drive 4 ya mate LOL.

With the launch of the 360 came epics like Tiger Woods, Live, Gun & NFS (just to name a few)-- truly games that were ahead of their time (right)

-- thank God we won't have to wait and hope for a year that our system can deliver, because we KNOW it can and will from the jump. Thanks for showing the way MS!! LOL

BTW the 'ol PS2 is still goin' strong and wiping the floor around the toilet with all of the BOX creations!! Believe it! LOL

Friends of Sony -- Do not get caught up in all of the YBOX doldrums. They are running scared with their tails in the air now that launch is immenent. They try to come in here and lie while ostensibly rooting for their Add-ON/32X/CD-drive YBOX's to outdo the P3 when history IS NOT on their side, and they're trying to make "it" into something it's not (a computer) with all of their patching and upgrades to disguise all of its flaws -- just like windows. LOL The P3 is launching with Damn - Good - Looking games and believe me, they know it. Their world will be in darkness once again after 1117 as its always been. All talk will be on the P3 and the games - guaranteed. It sux for MS.

Yeah, MS will enjoy the small corner of the room next to the back door, while the P3 lounges in the Big Lay-Z boy watchin' the Bravia in HDMI 1080p ((oooh, what's that??)) and crackin' beers!!!

Hell, the dev's haven't even laced up the shoes of this console yet and it's launching with games which will ALREADY deliver beyond expectations. Imagine what is around the corner. Good luck keeping up MS fanboys. It's gonna be a rough ride! Hint: stop bashing SNE and telling them what they're not capable of -- and tell your dev's to hurry and unleash all the power of the mighty 360 --with a library of kikass games (unlike the ones already out since launch,) QUICK!!!

Oh nevermind - I'm sorry -- I forgot that's why you're all here anyway. My bad -- buy a P3 and enjoy like the rest of the world. On second thought forget it -- I don't want you freaks gettin' in my way on launch. LOLOL

[InMyOpinion]

I don't get what it is the PS3 delivers. It's not even out yet and it's games are already getting bad reviews. It has about 10 launch titles of which 2 are interesting, Motorstorm and RFOM. Personally, and I think many agree with me, I'd rather pick up COD 3 which looks better in every department. It has gotten more positive feedback from web/magazine editors as well. I remember how PS-fanboys used to badmouth the xbox and xbox 360 as being fps-only consoles, now you're precious PS3 is launching with one. How can you even be hyped about a console you don't own yet?

[MissAubrey]

Hes cool. And I would like say I'd like to play Resistance as well but not on a playstation controller. I'm off to play Gears I just got it BABAY!!

[PS360PCROCKS]

HOLY HELL! This game is fuc*ing awesome, from the chainsaw to the weapons to the action, it's fuc*ing awesome, the hype train delivered baby and right on time!

[FeralPhoenix]

First off I have to admit that I haven't been able to even play GOW yet, I'm traveling(work related) and I won't get home 'till next week. The good news is my wife has already went and picked up my copy so it will be waiting when I get home. Damm, I can't wait!

I've been reading all the news about GOW and I'm glad that it does indeed seem to be recieving alot of praise from just about everyone....thats definitely good news for Epic and the 360.

I have to say that considering that I've always thought of you as a Sonyfanboy I was a bit surprised that you had such great things to say about GOW. So maybe I was wrong and you are just a PS3 fan and more importantly a gamer that gives criticism but can give credit where credit is due.

Now with that said I do disagree with a few of your points, mainly the idea thats its taken so long for 360 to have a game like this......well we are talking about a "killer app", there were a few other great games out there over the last yr. for example COD2 was awesome, fun as hell, but the point is they weren't "killer apps", those are hard to come by, I mean look at PS3, I think they will have some great games over the first year like RFOM-?, and Motorstorm I'm sure, but I don't see any "killer app" coming untill late next year.

Finally I think your post because I think 360 fanboys are acting childish slamming the PS3 for no reason....but in fairness, this is a "news4gamers" site and its inevitable because everytime there's good news for one side they try to rub it in the other sides face and say "look my console is better than your console".....PS3 fans are notorious for claiming "superiority" over the 360, so anything that shows otherwise is just fuel for the 360fanboys fire. Anyway its no excuse for some of the "overdone" childish behavior....but then again some of them are only like 10 or 12.

[testerg35]

I agree... people saying that it took 1yr for a killer app to appear on 360 are crazy. There's no killer app for PS3 at launch is there? RFOM and Motorstorm are not those killer games... FF, MSG4, GT5 are still a while off with FF being 2008. I think only Xbox really had a system seller on release which was Halo.

[BoneMagnus]

And I think the Wii has a system seller in Zelda:TP.

[The Snake]

GTA3 was PS2's first killer app, and that took longer to come out after the system launched than Gears did.

[Marriot VP]

alright I just got my copy of gears of war and it's insane. Everything about the cover system and multiplayer is perfect.

the campaigns so real and gritty, just so much immersiveness to handle

[kewlkat007]

Just got the last limited edition GOW at CC. Let's see what this hype is all about...

[sman780]

ill admit my comment was over board and partly wrong but to say only scratched the surface??? think a little bit. im not a full out sony fan boy at all really, i camped out for my 360 and i have GOW and i've been playing it its awsome its a great game, but my OPINION i dont like the camera angle sprint its cool for a bit but it doesnt let me free motion sprint with a good camera angle all the time, the game is slow and so far i find it pretty hard to take right cover in multiplayer and if u say i suck, call me out in COD. im not saying its bad, but its NOT a perfect game or at least its not what some of ur comments are, yes we've waited a year for this game and the HYPE was INSANE i know i spred it around but for me i honestly got tricked by the hype, i need FPS'ers... just my opinion haha i found myself jumpin back on guitar hero 2 lol god i love that game... start the flames kids. gow will be the game of year tho sorry if i'm a critical gamer, or not my full style maybe?

[PS360PCROCKS]

"i dont like the camera angle sprint its cool for a bit but it doesnt let me free motion sprint with a good camera angle all the time"

ok well considering it's only used to move from cover to cover, than why would you need a different camera angle? Exactly you don't it's not made to shoot from it's made to be able to run to the next cover area...

and yes I will call you out cause you do suck, their is no problem with multiplayer, your simply just not good enough at it, I have died once in like 6 matches, and I got the game like 5 hours ago...and COD? ok I am sorry but COD is simply the most unrealistic game, people go running around in small maps in circles, jumping, hoppin, free throwin grenades, and whoever gets lucky enough to see the other first wins. COD is not strategic, nor is it skillful, it's simply luck, because i'll tell you this I love that game online, but its still all luck

[power of Green]

Knowlege of the the 360's hardware-wise GoW's a first generation 360 tittle(started back in late 2004)so Yah! scratching the surface sounds right.

[THE TRUTH]

Clear up the misconceptions with my opinions! First I have to say that anyone who k ows me on this site knows I have been very critical of MS and 360 but recantly thinks have been looking better and better so my opinions have changed as the games has gotten better! My feelings about 360s early titles remain the same and here is why! Games like Oblivion GRAW PGR3 ect may have AAA scores for you but they are not what I would consider AAA, look at the differnce of GRAW and GOW. Graphics hands down GOW is on a whole other level, A.I. Is just so poor on GRAW your fellow soldiers act like ignorant fools its just takes so much away from the game. It feels more like your axcing your teammates butts than completing the mission, that coupled with the extreme hype the game got just made for a big let down because I only played the game for 3 weeks at the most!

My point is for those of you that call these titles AAA discredit GOW because its clear that GOW is the face of the 360 and rightly so! GOW is far sipierior to any and everyother game in the 360 library and really sets the bar high for games on the 360. That IS the meaning of AAA, those games some of you speak of are average to above average games to me! That's my opinion and why I said what I said!

The 360 has really been picking up steam after being so lackluster for so long to me! Games like marvel and Phantasy Star along with GOW have really got me interested in what the console has to offer! It just a shame it took this long to really show me something, but as they say better late than ever! GOW is truly amazing and I can't give epic enough credit for making such a great gaming experience! This Christmas will be an awesome time to be a gamer!

[xeon121]

My god what a hypocite u are truth i remeber when u first started posting on here, xbots xbox 1.5, lol i remeber all the stupid fanboy comments, tides changed now hasnt it, just like the box says jump in. not jump ship

[shotty]

So a AAA game has to look the best or else it isn't, interesting. Halo 1 didnt look all that good and it was AAA maybe even created a AAAA.

[NitrogenB]

.....it didn't.

[InMyOpinion]

Oblivion is an AAA title in every way. If you don't believe me look at the list of awards the game has received. Maybe you should sit down and play it even.

[THE TRUTH]

I'm not responsible for your assumptions! I've been riding on the gamers ship since 89 I just enjoy quality gaming and I'm not a fanboy! I have credit where credit was due! No more no less! GOW delivered and the fact that it did doesn't change my views on PS3 or the fact that I will get one soon! I really enjoy the games on PS consoles and I was not happy having to wait a year before I could really get some games I like on the 360 but like I said GOW is a AAA that deserves the praise its getting! I never understand why you would critize someone for being fair and honest!

Its just too bad 360 doesn't have enough variety for me but what it specializes in it does well

[xeon121]

dude im not baggin on u for bigging up gears im just saying its funny a difference a year makes, the crap u used to post on the site was crazy i wish i could pull some old posts but meh whatever uv seen the light welcome aboard

[no_more_heroes]

what makes a game is
1. How fun it is to play and
2. How difficult it is
I consider myself a casual gamer. I don't like games to be as difficult as Halo on legendary (can only be done in co-op in my opinion) or Ninja Gaiden (on any difficulty setting even though I beat it in 12 hours down from 40 on my first go because I loved it so much I was actually determined to beat it). I really only play games because I'M in control of what goes on. Nothing happens until I make it so. And when I want to get somewhere in a game I want it done with the least resistance. Yeah being challenged makes me better in the end, but I don't really care too much about that. Its more about making my opponent's eforts look completely futile, like they're not even trying. That doesn't mean I suck though because my friends still know me to beat almost every game I buy almost as soon as I get it. GOW looks like a blast so I want to give it a shot, that's why I'm getting a 360 this christmas.

[Say's you]

Still has alot of potential when clearly its already 1 years old and about to be 2 years old,and saying the fact that they barely scratch the surface my azz! is more BS they have scratched the surface since 2005 and 2006 and there just going to keep on scratching alot more in 2007 so what

there saying is alot of bogus !crap! barely scratch the surface that guy must be stupid to think that Xbox 360 can make those kind of graphics in the graphics departement like Gears of War that game was using only its 512MB not the GPU itself !uh! !duh!.

[peksi]

Without commenting the idiotic fanboy comments from either sides I'd say that sounds pretty incredible. But take that with a great pinch of salt, the man is selling his next game like he outta do! If that kind of budget and commitment doesn't rip the hell outta any console I'd be damned to ask why.

[DC RID3R]

by him saying gears ONLY scratches the surface of the 360 is a blatant slap in the face to sony!!!

"NEXT-GEN doesn't start until EPIC says so."

[Weapon X]

Look at all those cute little bubbles !!!

Nothin' like absolutely NO credibility in what you say mate!

LOL

[THAMMER1]

I just beat the game on Hard core. And the sweet part is if you go through on hare core you get the hard-core achievements and the casual achievements at the same time. If you liked the Kill Zone CG Sony showed at E3 2005 you will love, love, Love Gears of war. The last 3 chapters are so Bad @ss you will not be able to think or shoot strait.

I'm on extreme tonight. My gamer tag is THAMMER1 hit my gamer tag and come get that @ss kicked.

[ASTAROTH]

Who the hell cares about the graphics if the hardware is crappy as hell. Im refering to my death 360. I bougth Gears of War, and amazing game with the best graphics ever saw on a console. When I played it my 360 suffer the red led death. Now I have the BEST OF THE YEAR game with the WORST of history gaming console. Is the 360 is really that crappy piece of hardware?? Fanatics must deny it, but now I know of more than 12 people who has suffered the same fate. I called Microsoft and they told me I have to pay 139 bucks to get it fixed. WOW as the TOP GAYMER said: THANKS MICROSOFT... FOR THIS BS GAMING CONSOLE. I would never spend a buck on a MS console. If the PS3 even with its amazing graphics clearly demonstrated suffer the same hardware problems as the 360. Im never going to PLAY B3yond, netherless JUMP IN. Yes Im really mad at MS, for a REALLY bad hardware, not like the original XBOX. All the 360 fanatics who are going to respond to my comment...I dont care about your opinion. Take your console and SHOVE IT!!! if its that good. Hope SONY delivers a really good harware console that actually plays some games for more than a year. WHO THE HELL THEY THINK WE ARE? Millionares. FAL!!!

[THWIP]

You say:
"I called Microsoft and they told me I have to pay 139 bucks to get it fixed."

and then:

"Hope SONY delivers a really good harware console that actually plays some games for more than a year."

Perhaps you didn't get the memo....and/or you're lying. MS announced over a month ago, that anyone who purchase a 360 prior to Jan., WOULD NOT owe anything AT ALL if their 360 failed, and that they'd be reimbursed if they'd already paid to have theirs fixed/replaced.

[THAMMER1]

Pay the money and get your 360 working. And stop getting on the internet acting like a lil B!T(H!!

[Sphinx]

spellcheck please.

[STIKUP ARTIST]

My 360 died today too.

[Sphinx]

Hehe, just kidding, but I bet he'd be cool to play some GOW with... he'd kick my ass, but that'd be alright.

[NitrogenB]

This dude has 1 serious overbite....sorry, I had to say something.

[NextGen24Gamer]

Your so full of it buddy. Firstly the 360 is covered under warranty and you wouldn't have to pay anything. MS extended the warranty to cover any defective 360's. Thanks Microsof. Well, and thats even if we believe you at all.

Also, I today got to see the ps3 in action at Walmart displayed on Sony's HD 1080p Motitor. People were looking and talking. And what I heard from the people standing around was, it looks like Call of Duty 2 graphics from the 360 from almost a year ago. And to be honest, it does. The graphics are good. They are HD. They look like some of the 360 games I have been playing over the last 11 months. Thats Real. Nothing displayed blew me away or evevn touched the level of detail in Gears of War. Honestly. Lair looked good, Motostorm looked good, Resistance looked like Call of Duty 2 with aliens. But none of the games looked better than any of the 360 games I have played. It was right on par to slighly less in some cases. With the exeption of Gears of War. That was clearly better. And keep in mind, all the games were being displayed on a 1080p Sony TV. I'm curious to why the games for the ps3 on a 1080p tv, only looked as good to not as good as the 360 games playing on 720p. Interesting indeed.

And the funniest thing happened when I and others were there watching the ps3 games. It shut down folks. I swear. A walmart employee had to come over and reset it. I was standing there for 30 minutes before it over heated, or what ever you want to call it. But it shut down. People around me started walking away saying..."there is no way I'm spending 600 dollars for a sony product that over heats the first day on display at walmart."

And most of the people standing around were sony fans. Because while the games were being played they were saying stuff like "dude I can't wait till I can get one".

But those were the same people self admitting that the 360 games on display looked as good and in some cases better.

My advice to anyone who is getting the ps3....Get as long of a warranty as you can. One other thing I noticed is it seemed like the graphics were being streamed to the game. There wasn't background pop ins...but there were texture pop ins. And it was with a few of the games I noticed it on. But, all in all I was impressed with the games for the most part matching the 360's launch titles from almost a year ago. So its not a bad system folks. Its just overly priced and not a leap foward. Its more on par to slighly less. I don't know if its the Ram or if its just games being rushed to come out for launch. I tend to believe its the ram. Most of the ps3 games have been in developement for a while now. Remember the ps3 was suppose to come out spring 2006 initially.

[Antan]

"Nothing displayed blew me away or evevn touched the level of detail in Gears of War".

Naturally nothing will for a good while yet.

"there is no way I'm spending 600 dollars for a sony product that over heats the first day on display at walmart."

LOL. quite a quote from "random onlookers".

its certainly very interesting you heard this. Its a pity there are no more stories like this from other display units in Walmart or wherever to see if such a problem exists. Though not strange also that it comes from your spinning gob. Thanks Top Gamer.

[TheMART]

"ASTAROTH - 2 Hours ago | Let him/her speak
Who the hell cares about the graphics if the hardware is crappy as hell. Im refering to my death 360. I bougth Gears of War, and amazing game with the best graphics ever saw on a console. When I played it my 360 suffer the red led death. Now I have the BEST OF THE YEAR game with the WORST of history gaming console. Is the 360 is really that crappy piece of hardware?? Fanatics must deny it, but now I know of more than 12 people who has suffered the same fate. I called Microsoft and they told me I have to pay 139 bucks to get it fixed. WOW as the TOP GAYMER said: THANKS MICROSOFT... FOR THIS BS GAMING CONSOLE. I would never spend a buck on a MS console. If the PS3 even with its amazing graphics clearly demonstrated suffer the same hardware problems as the 360. Im never going to PLAY B3yond, netherless JUMP IN. Yes Im really mad at MS, for a REALLY bad hardware, not like the original XBOX. All the 360 fanatics who are going to respond to my comment...I dont care about your opinion. Take your console and SHOVE IT!!! if its that good. Hope SONY delivers a really good harware console that actually plays some games for more than a year. WHO THE HELL THEY THINK WE ARE? Millionares. FAL!!! "

BS all over it! Discovered as lying Sony fanboy ASTAROTH!!!

MS gave a full year warranty on all 360's in USA. You cannot have bought it before 22 nov. 2005. You are lying over that and the '12 people' you know with the same faith.

I hope the PS3 will die when you plug it in instantly. Which it probably does. If it's not an empty case because Ken lied!!!

[ASTAROTH]

I could care less about your opinion. So you know what you can do. You are always the same fanatics, when someone is having problems with the 360 you always defend it saying Its a Lie. LOL!!! You are the most stupid A$$holes in the Microsoft fanboy kingdom. So do and say what you want. That is not going to change my opinion. Also I dont need to give you any expanations. Im Just a mad Microsoft consummer. THANKS MICROSOFT for the CRAPPY 360.

[Agent VX]

It’s funny how some Sony Fanboys talk about the 360 blowing up. Funny thing though, out of the 8 other people that I know who have an 360, the only one that had his system malfunction was the only one that bought his the first day.

He took it back to bestbuy, and it took 2 weeks to get a replacement, free of charge. My other 7 buddies and myself all waited after March, and none of our machines have failed. I have had on 3 instances had the game freeze up, but a quick reset fixed the issue.

We all know Astoroth is a lying pimply faced fanboy, most likely about 10 to 12 yrs old. No one takes him seriously.

Over all, the 360 is a solid machine, but the earlier models did suffer from some shotty parts. Thankfully it is fixed now.

[BoneMagnus]

My launch 360 still works perfectly. And I have the 2 year warranty just in case.

[The Milkman]

If I could hug everybody at Epic I would. I got to say thanks for such a great game! I havent even finished the story yet but I just love the game. They made the game live up to the hype. If the do make another Gears Of War Im not going to even hesitate to grab it.

[i own u]

ok no ones pointed this out before but be prepared to accept reality

this is a flagship title for a console ok? A KILLER APP.

why would they just "scratch the surface." come on now, gears of war is a great game, but you guys have eaten all there is to eat on the plate and you'll always be hungry for more. but that's normal? if graphics could just keep getting better for infinity, who wouldnt want more?

epic did a nice job, but never pay attention to them saying that the best game ever for 360 is only "scratching the surface"... bs.... the real games that "scratch the surface" are the xbla games such as joust

[MissAubrey]

This is The best game I have ever Played in my life! I think some of you hardcore Sony fans should really try this game!

[satanslilh3lp3r]

and it is extremely far from the greatest game i've ever played. look, don't get me wrong, it's a great game, but i prefer games like mgs and resident evil over it. it might LOOK pretty spiffy, but looks ain't everything (plus, 12 or less hours of single player? come on epic.) of course, that's just my opinion

[TheBeginningOfTheEnd]

so let me get this straigh. theMART, one of the biggest M$ fanboys got halla mad at M$?????!!!! OMGF. so i guess there is one time for everything, huh? sorry bout ur loss.

[mellowspaz]

Beginning of the End, he was quoting Astaroth you goof :)

[TheBeginningOfTheEnd]

i didnt read th astaroth coment. whoops

[TheBeginningOfTheEnd]

who do u guys think is more badass, the chief or marcus?

[m23]

Gotta stick with Chief just because he is the CHIEF

[m23]

I don't see why people who get their system early start crying later. Seriously once you buy a $500 console (Canada) you should buy a warranty, I have one for 3 years so I am covered. You should take precautions once you buy something that requires a large investment, you don't start blaming another company because you can't wait a little for them to get things sorted out.

[MoonDust]

They are still flaming each other.

[Silver Bull3t]

Cliffy-boy is teriffic and all, but I'm getting tired of looking at him.

2 words Cliffy..... Haircut, and Shave. Now go away!!!

......but keep making awesome games!!! :P

[PSN Starfleets]

For the PS3 fanboys; go run to Resistance and leave the 360 owners to their game, GoW.

To the 360 fanboys, ignore the PS3 owners and get back to some play-time.

[NextGen24Gamer]

WOW. Thanks Microsoft and Epic Games. Sony Fanboys really thought as Fantastic as Gears of War is that it uses a lot of the 360's power. NOPE. It only scratches the surface people. Thats a good thing for 360 owners. Just when we thought games could get no better...Epic creates an AAA title that blows away all other 360 and ps3 games, but yet it only scratches the surface of what the 360 is capable of. But thats to be expected. All the features MS has packed into the 360 can't be utilized in one year after launch. And with MS's dev tools far superior since they are a software company....its going to be freaking amazing in a year or two. And thats exciting news for gamers everywhere. Its one thing have hardware that is amazing...but to create software tools that allow devs to create with no hardware struggles and easy, affordable developement in comparisson to the ps3...WOW. I can see how sony fans are like "naw dude...thats bs....GOW has to use much of the 360's power."... Ha ha ha ha ha....NOPE. Its only scratches the surface my misguided buddies. And on another note....Its good to see that just about ALL of the 3rd party multiplatform games that are being released in the same time frame are superior on the 360. Thats a tribute to the ease of developement and superior tools to help developers. WOW. I thought oblivion looked amazing....Not even close to Gears of war. No pop ups...and the same detail can be seen from upclose to far away in the distance. Its truly incredible. I haven't seen any game be it PC or Next gen even come close to the detail, lighting, effects, ect....You see that folks...300 to 400 gets you a system that outperforms computers and the ps3. And there is much more to come with the best looking game in history...only scratching the surface of what the 360 is capable of. But I can see why sony fans have a lot of hate. They have had to wait and wait...for an expensive system that is getting outperformed by their competition......WOW. Thanks Microsoft.

P.S. My HD dvd add on gets the 1080p signal with me using the componant cords. I don't know if its the TV or if its the movies that allow me to do it. But I'm getting full 1080p from movies using my HD dvd add on using componant cables. I thought it was only for games. I'm a little confused. If anyone has any solid info on how I'm getting 1080p via componant...let me know. I find it interesting.

[NextGen24Gamer]

Duplicate post...

[Jay da 2KBalla]

How do you know if you are getting a 1080p signal while watching movies on HD-DVD? Can you just tell by the picture or does it say it in the left corner of the screen or what? And what tv do you have?

[PS360PCROCKS]

"Hands down, "Gears of War" is the best-looking game for the Xbox 360 thus far — and it effortlessly matches anything seen on the PlayStation 3, due out Nov. 17. The ruined paradise of the human world and the nightmarish Locust are breathtakingly detailed.
"Gears of War" is the kind of escapism that can only be experienced via video games — to create this universe on film would break a studio's yearly budget. But after serving a digital tour of duty in "Gears of War," you understand why Hollywood's finest — Peter Jackson has a deal with Microsoft, Steven Spielberg is partnered with Electronic Arts — are so keen on realizing their visions in video games.

If you have an Xbox 360, "Gears" is a must-have. And if you're still sitting on the fence about which next-generation console to buy — Xbox 360 or PS3 — Gears of War makes the decision this holiday a no-brainer."

MSNBC actually loves Gears Too...

[NextGen24Gamer]

I have a samsung. And when I hit the display button it shows 1080p signal in the corner of the screen. Its wierd. I didn't expect it. My question is....is it the tv accepting it via componant or is it the movie that allows it? I have both VGA and Componant cables. I was testing to see which looks better. Both look the same. Flawless detail. I will never watch a regular DVD again. Amazing.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Sorry. I dont know the answer to your question but doesnt the 360 upscale dvds to 1080p? If it does upscale dvds to 1080p does it look the same as a native 1080p hd-dvd? I only have a 1080i tv but I'm interested to see if either of these next gen movie formats are really worth it.

[mithrael_PS3]

guys guys guys... don't take his comments as if it you can only say it about the 360...

"I think we've only scratched the surface of what we can do with gameplay as well as the 360."

i think you can probably say this as well for the ps3... the launch games only tapped a few percent of the ps3's total capacity... remember that these consoles are new arcitechture and takes time for developers to get used to... there is still a lot to discover, and talking about graphics now is totally useless... talk about it after 5 years.. when nearly all developers is used to developing games for both consoles... in the mean time, let's just enjoy what these consoles can give us... a taste of what Next-generation gaming really is...

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Just had to make a comment sense everyone else is.

[Trickedbullet]

Tell me this isnt pathetic. A xbox 360 core system for thousands of dollars!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Xbox-36...

[ChickeyCantor]

first i wanna say
Weapon X
your LOL is soo fake XD.

OT:
all this man is saying games can be better in the future on the 360.......why all this bloody text ?.
why always discuss crap, and then bring up the console you like more( i see allot of you talking sh!t about the PS3....this artical is about the freaking XBOX360 keep the ps3 out of this!.

[alilhappything]

G DUBZ is awesome

[AudioRage]

your comment was brilliant, amid all the crap some people on this site right about, and get stressed over.. your comment was such a relief, somethin funny!