How to run Grand Theft Auto IV at 1080p on PS3

talkplaystation.com shows your how to run gta 4 at 1080p. You obviously need a 1080p set in the 40 inch range.

[lodossrage]

And only NOW people realize it?

I told people about unclicking the other settings to make 1080 last year

[sonarus]

I honestly can't believe this got approved. GTA4 is 640p on PS3. This doesn't change it, its just a neat trick that i though everyone knew about. This is ridiculously lame

[prunchess]

You can definitely see a difference when you unclick those lower settings on my 42" LG LCD. Picture looks a little bit sharper.

I only posted a comment the other day saying that when I checked to see what the resolution was on my LCD when I played GTA (article said it was running at 640 or something), it was displaying at 720p @ 60hz. I couldn't understand why though. This article and the posts by Silellak have clear this up now. When I check now to see what resolution it is running in it displays at 1080p @60hz.

Bubbles you ye Silellak.

[3sexty rulzzz]

easy, you cant

[Pika-pie]

TheMart, have you played both versions of GTA. Probebly not. I have!!

GTA PS3 looks better. Trust me. Yeah maybe the 360 does look very slightly sharper (and you really have to look to notice, i had to go back and forth over and over again) but the PS3 version has less framey issues and very little pop-in, it is very notable. Its just a cleaner and smoother experiance... Sorry

[SiLeNt KNighT]

some people dont have a chance to read every single article on N4G so repeat or not im glad it was posted. i tried it out on my Philips 47" and i can see a noticeable difference. everything just looks a little sharper than it did before.

[deeznuts]

All this does is upscale 640p to your displays native 1080p. Newsflash, your TV does the same thing if you feed it something other than 1080p (assuming you have a 1080p display of course). You want to do this if you are certain your PS3 does a better job of upscaling than your TV.

This is analogous to when you were in college (or in, or about to be) and you typed all that you could type for a term paper, but unfortunately it only comes out to 6.4 pages. Your teacher requires at least 10 pages. So you increase the font, increase the line spacing, widen the margins, and increase the header footer size. Voila, you have a 10.8 page paper. But you haven't really created any new info.

Same thing here. You're not creating any new info/resolution. Just stretching the existing resolution, and your TV does the same thing already. Question is, which one does it better.

[prunchess]

From reading this thread I'd say that anyone noticing a difference when they switch to custom settings on the PS3 is due to the PS3 upscaling better that their HD TV.

I've had a go at checking out the different settings and without a doubt there is an improvement in picture by using this custom setting.

[SL1M DADDY]

Not sure what inexpensive online college you went to but at my University, the professors go by word count and a Flesch-Kincaid scale, not by how many pages you can come up with. Also, the font and spacing along with rule and margins need to be formatted according to University standards and cannot differ. Sorry, but your analogy sucks.

[Adamalicious]

You are correct. If you have a 1080 native set it will ONLY display 1080 vertical lines of resolution, ever. Period.

There's is no reason to do this - all it will really do is inconvenience you when you play certain games. There's a reason they want you to check the boxes for all resolutions you screen supports - it's so you don't have to reset your video settings all the time.

[deeznuts]

Sl1m, I went to college before you were just a twinkle in the eyes between your two dads. about 8 years ago. When we still typed up pages on the computer and printed them and turned them in. Did that in law school as well.

Not sure what this flesch-kincaid word count stuff is, sounds like a naughty game you play with male teachers or TAs! Or must be a newfangled technique to catch newer students for stuff we got away with in college! Sucks for you!

[Mikey_Gee]

I have also played both version

http://img337.imageshack.us...

I think the jaggies in the PS3 version are TERRIBLE. I find the colors muddy, the PS3 version not to be as sharp/detailed and I find the frame rate of the 360 version to be better as well.

PS
I included the pic since it stand more value as proof I have both consoles and the game for both as well. But I am selling the PS3 version tonight. I bought both to decide for myself the better version, and from my comment I am sure you know my choice.

This is not being a FANBOY, just being honest

[TitanUp]

this post this article that video shows that your wrong mart

[Silellak]

Technically, he's not wrong.

Every game has a basic "native resolution". Pixel counters have found the basic native resolution for GTA4 is 720p for the 360 and 640p for the PS3.

However, ALL games this generation run at either 720p, 1080i, or 1080p using upscaling. There is no such thing as a 640p TV, or a 604p TV, or whatever resolution the pixel counters claim a game runs at. Most modern HDTV's will automatically upscale to their native resolution (either 720p or 1080p), and if they don't, then the game console itself upscales it to 720p, 1080i, or 1080p.

The only exception is that the PS3 can't upscale a 720p to 1080i, and if a TV only supports 1080i - and the game hasn't been written to support 1080i - then the game will be downscaled to 480p (standard definition).

Games that run in actual HD natively tend to be a bit "sharper" than games that run at a lower native res and then upscale the image. That's really the only difference.

The only time 1080p is really impressive for a game is when the game natively supports 1080p. ANY game can be converted to 1080p, the question is whether or not it looks GOOD doing so.

So, uh, I guess the overall point of this is he's not technically wrong when he says GTA4's native res is 640p, but the truth of the matter is that it doesn't really mean much except to super videophiles like, well, the people who figured it out in the first damn place.

[Rice]

owned!!!

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

If the a TV has a resolution of 480p you would have to turn off your console to reset it. The PlayStation 3 is an HD (High Definition)console so an SD (Standard Definition) TV things will change. So when my settings are set for an HD TV the PlayStation 3 will only work for HD sets. If the TV isn't HD than I would have to reset my console making my icons look a lot bigger.

If I don't reset the console's resolution than nothing won't show on the TV. The PlayStation 3 can upscale things like Blu-ray, DVD, or PlayStation 2 games. The whole point of upscaling is so the resolution of the content fits the screen.

So with the PlayStation 3 comment about downscaling you'll know for sure if it is. Everything looks different when downscaled which makes me think about the XBOX 360 (most likely isn't an HD console).

This video is just showing you that if your set supports that it will force every to display only the best. Instead of the recommended.

[Legion]

You are clueless, you use double negatives to try and make a point. And you make me laugh... I bet you work at Kmart in the video section. lol

If your TV has the capabilities to run all resolutions then it will choose the native resolution. If your TV is set so that it only will display at 1080P then if it WILL upscale the video so that it plays at that reslotion. Basically multiplying pixels to fill holes that would otherwise not exist due to the resolution of the actual media. Depending on the resolution, upscaling can be seemless.

As for downscaling. Well, basically just the same... the set will not show pixels so that it can display it within a 480p output.

It's all simple... but Some One Plays makes everyone else look like rocket scientists.

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

lol, the video is about forcing the content shown on the PlayStation 3 at a certain resolution. So when you uncheck certain resolutions you're stating that your TV doesn't support that. So in other words everything is forced to 1080p.

With everything on automatic it's a little different. For example if your TV supports 1080p that means it supports 1080i or 720p / 720i, 480p / 480i. So when putting in an SD (Standard Definition) DVD in a TV that supports 1080p it'll be in 480p / 480i. This will cause it to look not as clear if it were to be on a TV with a Native Resolution of 480p / 480i.

This is when most people say they don't see the difference with Blu-ray and regular DVDs. So by unchecking certain resolutions you're forcing content to be in 1080p / 1080i resolution since your TV doesn't support it. It's like playing Crysis on an CRT (Cathode Ray Tube) monitor you'll only see the difference with an upgrade.

For native resolution for people who don't know it means the highest resolution supported. Anything higher will mean it won't look at sharp as it would at it's native resolution.

I have no idea what the hell is Kmart but I've never seen that in Toronto. It must be where you shop or something.

[Eldon3]

@ Some one plays, I had a hard time trying to find your arguments in all that incoherent rambling. You make no sense, you must work for GameStop if not K-Mart, or Target.
Props to Silellak for spelling it out clearly.

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

lol, you people name places I've never seen or heard of before, where the hell is that in Toronto. With "Silellak" he's stating that the PlayStation 3 will be standard definition (SD) if the TV doesn't support it. Which will only happen if you reset you PlayStation 3 settings to fit that TV. If you have a PlayStation 3 and it's set on HD (High Definition) settings it won't display on an SD set / TV.

So when the PlayStation 3 downscales because of the TV not supporting HD the whole console down scales. The XMB (cross media bar), movies, games, everything. So I was stating that if it down scales you would know, everything will look "big" / "different." So stating that it will down scale to 480p because your TV dosn't support 1080p makes no sense. The option wouldn't be there if the TV doesn't support it.

So the person in the video has an HD set that supports 1080p / 1080i which means it also supports 720p / 720i, and 480p / 480i. So by unchecking 720p / 720i and 480p / 480i it will force content to be in a higher resolution (1080p / 1080i). These options wouldn't be there if your TV didn't support it (1080p, 1080i, 720p, 720i, 480p, 480i). With that said if you have this set to be foced at 1080p / 1080i and you move your PlayStation 3 to a none-HD TV it won't display. You would have to reset your console, this is what I was stating, that you would know if it downscales.

To reset your console's resolution since it won't display (anything) on the screen you have to turn it on the console by holding the "on button" for 5 seconds. When you do this it will be in 480p / 480i (or whatever the native resolution is) for everything and the options won't be there no more (1080p, 1080i, 720p, 720i).

[Legion]

Wrong again SOP. Just because a TV supports 1080P does not mean that every resolution beneath it will work too. As an example: I have a few HD TV's and one of my earlier wide screens does not support. 720P. (yes, odd but it was early in HD tech and I figured that I only needed the 2 resolutions... who would use the middle 720P as the standard? haha)

If I have all my 3 settings for HD checked on my system (as supported) then when I put in a game that is 720P native it will NOT appear on my TV. Because you have told your system that it will run at that resolution even though the TV will not support it. I have to ensure that the 720P resolution is not checked on my system as a viable resolution for the console that I have hooked to that TV.

Now what happens when I put a native resolution 720P native media into my system and it plays on my system? Does it magically upscale to 1080P and add pixels that before never existed? Not really, it just repeats pixels so that the image formats correctly to a 1080P screen. This gives the illusion of being 1080P but is not actually. You are getting the pixels but it is more a blurred montage of pixels to accomodate the areas that would be missing. And as long as the screen is not too large then it will appear seemless and actually look clearer to the human eye. But get a larger display and you will notice the difference between native resolution versus upscaling to a higher resolution.

Not saying that you are wrong on your point of needing to change the PS3 settings to go from an HD TV to a standard definition set (politicaly correct term for those non-HD people...ha) just that your verbiage on upscaling is a bit whacked. More so in your first post then the others. French might be your native language? Maybe that is why when you are upscaling to English that it is not as clear as native english speakers? You just think it is? lol

p.s. I believe that Kmart was bought out by Zellers in Canada.

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

Now you're stating that a 1080p TV won't support lower resolutions. I consider that bogus if you don't mention a brand and specific model. What you just explained was upscaling in simple terms it's just making content fit the entire screen. The rest is just blabber and ignorance.

[SiLeNt KNighT]

actually he is right. many older HD televisions would not support certain resolutions. in fact some older HD television would not support even 480i/p. you maybe familiar with the tech of today but when HD TV's first came out they were very different and you had to make sure the tv supported the resolution you wanted. now with modern processors it easy for the tv to scale the image to many different resolutions.

on a side note, although you are "blurring" the image by repeating pixels when upscaling, the pixel count is higher so the question becomes is the blurring effect of adding pixels better or worse than the lower native resolution. to simply say there will be no difference doesnt make sense. on my 47" tv i can definitely tell a difference for the best.

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

I find that really hard to believe so if pixels were people and TVs were Canada's Wonderland rides this would happen: So roller coasters in the 90s can fit up to 50 people (native resolution) but only 25 people want to ride. So in other words the 25 people can't ride because you must have a full roller coaster to start. Now in the 20th century if 25 people want to ride on a 50 seater ride it can now happen.

I believe that the picture would be smaller than the TV size but I find it hard to believe monitors / TVs couldn't support lower resolutions. Since native means highest it would only make sense that the other pixels could be used and others won't. Like wide screen support on a normal TV would have black bars on top and bottom of the screens. Some SD(Standard Definition) DVDs back than would only have that mode and wouldn't have full screen and nowadays they support both or only full screen.

[Silellak]

Shouldn't this be called "How to run any PS3 game at 1080p"?

Also, shouldn't it really be in the tip section instead of a news article?

Also, isn't it obvious the author just added "GTA4" to the description in order to generate more hits for this article?

[Scottama]

No, if the game doesn't support 1080p, it'll just be downscaled to 480p or (in my case) 576p.

[alexM]

GTA4 runs and looks BETTER on PS3

I am sure the game WOULD have run at 1080P at 60 FPS NATIVE had it been PS3 exclusive

that gimped BOX 3 FIX ME cant even run a single GAME at 1080NATIVE

Just to let others be reminded

that CELL is 20x more powerful than XENON

and 3x more powerful than the mOST POWERFUL PROCESSORs in the mARKET today

http://www.n4g.com/tech/New...

[ElementX]

Crawl back into that moist, dripping, dark hole you came out of

[alexM]

It is over for MS and XFIX ME

even in USA

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News...

a HUGE AMOUNT OF MISERIES incoming with MGS4

ELEMENTX aka MART aka POG

JUST for YOU

Swedish gaming mag Gamereactor said that there are MAJOR DIFFERENCES between the 2 version

http://www.gamereactor.se/r...
Swedish Gamereactor mentioned in their 10/10 review that they were pretty surprised regarding the difference between the PS3 and 360-versions. The PS3-version features better colours, contrast, load times and what looks to be better resolution textures. The game also looks sharper and has a more stable fps.

IGN

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

"For those wanting to know which version looks better, the edge goes to the PS3. The textures and framerate are comparable, but the PS3 has far less pop-in. The 360 has richer colors, but the PS3 has better anti-aliasing making it look a little cleaner. Because GTA IV can preload onto the PS3 hard drive, the in-game loads are faster. Don't worry Xbox owners, the load times are rarely more than 30 seconds and don't occur very often. The slight visual edge goes to PS3, but the 360 is no slouch. Either version will do you proud".

X360 version has FR dips too . more frequent than the PS3 version
"Past GTA titles have had mild-to-serious framerate issues and technical glitches, because the games were trying to do far more than the PlayStation 2 could handle. While GTA IV is pushing the PS3 and 360 to the limit, it also runs amazingly well. Sure, there are framerate hitches here and there and (particularly on 360) there is some texture pop-in, but it actually runs better than I expected. That a game with great AI, an awesome physics engine and a detailed open world runs so well and with such short load times is a technical marvel. For that, I can forgive framerate issues and some noticeable aliasing. "

http://www.n4g.com/NewsPend...

"PS3 version looks slightly more vibrant and sharp "

GAMESRADAR

http://www.gamesradar.com/x...

"Occasional pop-up".........ONLY IN X360 version of GTA4

http://xs226.xs.to/xs226/08...

So happy that i own a PS3

GAMESRADAR also confirms that PS3 version is SUPERIOR

"While the PS3 and 360 versions of the game are functionally identical, the PS3's visuals sport noticeably smoother edges, along with a warmer color palette that makes everything look slightly more realistic. If you're looking to compare Accomplishments with your Achievement-hoarding friends, though, forget it - GTA IV ignores these half-assed consolation prizes altogether. PS3 owners also have to put up with a nearly eight-minute installation the first time they start the game, which puts the normally slower Blu-ray load times on par with the Xbox 360 version. (That is, unless it's running on a 360 with no hard drive, which we're told will face much longer loads.)"

Others here u go

x360 version of GTA4 will cause your xbox 3 FIX me to permannently RROD

apparently there is no fix for the FREEZING on the X360 version

x360 version's freezing is HW related

http://kotaku.com/385183/ro...

soi freezing in GIMPED BOX 3 FIX me version has no FIX

x360 version cant be played at FULL SCREEN also

NOT TO MENTION that GIMPED BOX 3 FIX ME version has UNBEARABLE AMOUNTS OF POP INS

POP INS in GIMPED BOX 3 FIX ME versions

http://www.sonydefenseforce...

http://www.sonydefenseforce...

http://www.sonydefenseforce...

http://www.sonydefenseforce...

http://www.gamesradar.com/p...

It is OVER for XBUTTS and 3 FIX ME

[SerbianMan]

Well, you were not really right about it. Actually the 360 version runs better. It can even arrive at 40fps time to time.
But yes, for the graphics, the PS3 version is better. But the frame-rate is less good than on X360.

[ElementX]

By the end of July I'll own another PS3 so what will be your excuse then?

BTW the release of GTA4 drove 360 sales also. The question is, how many new PS3 owners also purchased GTA4 at the same time?

MS doesn't need to worry about MGS4, the last MGS same sold under 4 million copies. Even Gears of War, a new IP, sold more. So much for proven franchises.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Oh look it's king fishhead who loves his CRAPSTATION(tm) so much that he doesnt even play it and sits on these forums 24 hours a day making fake accounts. Notice you will always get 3 disagrees when replying to alexW.
Yes, upscale your CRAPSTATION (tm) from 640p to a nice fake 1080p scaled version.
Nasim still continues to use the article that is not even talking about the same Cell processor that is in the PS3 and its not being compared to the XENON. Tomorrow it will be 100x faster.

Being in last place has really made the fishheads mental. He is like the Paula Abdul of fanboy extremists.

[ElementX]

Yeah, those disagrees are pretty suspicious.

[alexM]

that garbage box 3 FIX me with 100% defect rate is fit just for repair shop

MART aka POG remember how u were caught with FAKE ACCOUNTS

http://www.n4g.com/ViewComI...

MART aka POG same person. this MART is a 35 year OLD gamer and lives in USA

http://resistance100.wordpr...

http://resistance100.wordpr...

@ELEMENTX

haahhahh XBUTTT u will own another XFIX ME ...ur XBUTT3FIX ME will come back from REPAIRS

MS doesnt need to worry cuz they are finished. WORRYING wont save x360 anymore

They need to worry about MGS4/LBP/KZ2/RESISTANCE2/SOCOM /WARDEVIL /WKS and a flurry of incoming PS3 missiles.

TARD it is over for you and XFIX ME

@ELEMENTX

TARD remove your fake PSN id. we all know that you are an XTARD

[GiantEnemyCrab]

%100 defect rate? My 360 is working and so are the millions of people playing on Live right now so where is this %100 defect rate coming from?

@1.8 below: I laughed so hard when he started posting animated gifs courtesy of $ony Defense Force. I'm starting to think this might be the actual president of $DF.

[Snukadaman]

Jesus this guy still doesn't get the joke...and you ps3 faithful actually agree with most of the horsesheit this guy posts....roflmao

[Ali_The_Brit]

what the hell gta is not a port on either xbox or ps3 they made both up from the ground and developed for both console.

[juuken]

ElementX, I wouldn't be so sure about MS not being worried about MGS4 if I were you. That's set to be the biggest game on the PS3. My advice-don't underestimate a game until it's actually out. :)

[Ballsacteebaghow]

Go back to the desert.

How do i say that is arabic eh?

You don't belong on this site you f*cking monkey

[ElementX]

I don't underestimate MGS4, but I don't overestimate it, either. It's a proven franchise, however the last one didn't do so well with 120 million PS2s out there. Only 3.7 million? That's a low average.

Don't get me wrong, I'm going to buy MGS4 with the PS3, however I don't expect it to break any records.

[Gam71]

"I don't underestimate MGS4, but I don't overestimate it, either. It's a proven franchise, however the last one didn't do so well with 120 million PS2s out there. Only 3.7 million? That's a low average."

Can someone work out the attach rate for that.

The ps3 fangirls are good at that?

Well when it suits them.

Juuken
you said
" My advice-don't underestimate a game until it's actually out. :)"

I agree but the ps3 fangirls do that for every 360 game and continue after its out. Unless the rare occasion it comes out on the ps3 a year later then they love it.

Oh and puala AKA Doodoobrains AKA nasim AKA sammy AKA alex
I don't like the way they are calling you paula now. You live in your own world so you are clearly a Heather.

You know heather mills, deluded piss poor arguments, using fiction that you make up as fact and having no proof to back you false claims up.
If you went to court I bet the judge would call you a liar aswell

[da7dal]

Wahahahah where the hell did you come up with that lol
crapstation is weak compared to gimped BOX 3 FIX ME

[juuken]

"I don't underestimate MGS4, but I don't overestimate it, either. It's a proven franchise, however the last one didn't do so well with 120 million PS2s out there. Only 3.7 million? That's a low average."

So um...just because the last one didn't do as well as MGS2 and MGS, that means that MGS4 won't be a hit? MGS3 still sold but not as good as the first two. Still, MGS4 will be a blockbuster. I know plenty of people who are buying PS3's just for that game. Kojima has been known for bringing the best of the best so I have some confidence he won't disappoint.

And my advice to you is to not underestimate.

He's a genius.

"I agree but the ps3 fangirls do that for every 360 game and continue after its out. Unless the rare occasion it comes out on the ps3 a year later then they love it."

Um...don't group Sony fans together with the ones who go over the top. I never underestimated ANY of the 360 games. Gears of War, in my opinion is action-packed but the graphics are nothing to brag about. Ninja Gaiden 2 is going to a kick ass game and I'm not underestimating it. I like the 360 library but I don't trust the console or where it came from.

Don't confuse rational PS3 fans with the rabid psychos okay?

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

LOL I like how he logs on those other accounts, comes in a agrees with himself and disagrees with everyone else. He has like 9 agrees (all 9 his accounts) and everyone who reply's to him allways have like 5-10 (all his)

[NIN64]

This will cause some games to boot in 480P. When I try to play Resistance with these settings it always gives me an error when I start the game, then plays in 480.

[Silellak]

This is because the developers didn't specifically write the game to support anything higher than 720p.

The 360 is designed to automatically upscale any game to any resolution using a dedicated hardware scaler chip.

The PS3 also has a scaler, but it has to be used by the game itself. The hardware won't automatically do it.

Most early PS3 games had this same problem. It's still sort of a crapshoot as to whether or not a particular PS3 game will support above a 720p resolution or not.

[TheMART]

Silellak

Don't forget to tell:

360 has a hardware scaler indeed, horizontal&vertical scaling to every possible resolution without any pain on the GPU/CPU

PS3 has a software scaler, only horizontal OR vertical scaling once at a time, not possible to scale to 1080i and it costs power from the other systems parts.

[GameDev]

that the 360 has a scaler but then again no one denies that scalers are a crutch for lazy developers and equivalent to putting an evening gown on a $2 vvh0re.

[BulletToothtony]

Call of duty 4, Uncharted and GTA4 all will run at 1080p if you disable 720p but to be completely honest i don't see a difference..

[Silellak]

You need a big TV to see the difference between 720p and 1080p.

Also, very few if any games actually run natively at 1080p, so even if you had a big enough TV, there probably wouldn't be a noticeable difference unless a game runs at 1080p.

This is a list of PS3 titles that run natively at 1080p. Honestly not sure if it's up to date, though.

http://www.makeyougohmm.com...

[BulletToothtony]

i have a 52" the LNT 5265F and i'm sure there is a difference i think specially in uncharted

but in cod4 i don't see it, besides the letters looking a bit different..

i think i would notice if i had 2 tv's by each other, one on 720p and one in 1080p

in blurays the difference it's extremely noticeable, but i think in order for it to really show the game/video needs a native 1080p resolution,

and in some cases like in Rainbow 6 Vegas (1) you had to disable 1080i for it to look better.. my point is that unless the game it's native 1080p upscaling from 720p to 1080p doesn't make it look wow all of the sudden

[Ri0tSquad]

Could do this since COD4.

I have a 46" Samsung and I don't see a big difference between 720p and 1080p in-game.

@TheMART at Xboxkings

What about the 360? Ha, this has nothing to do with your precious console, kid.

[Snukadaman]

And sadly this isnt the only instance where you need to tweak settings on the ps3 to enjoy a game...Maybe thats what they mean by the tag line "this is living"...as in this is living with a headache.

@nasim...funny you mention wardevil nasim....you even see the game in action...trailers? or are you just so much of a talking head you just like to name games regardless of their quality?

[Ri0tSquad]

"And sadly this isnt the only instance where you need to tweak settings on the ps3 to enjoy a game..."

Oh really? I guess all the 720p/480i owners aren't enjoying this or the people who didn't bother "to tweak the settings". Nice fail.

http://content.ytmnd.com/co...

"Maybe thats what they mean by the tag line "this is living"...as in this is living with a headache."

http://content.ytmnd.com/co...

@alexM

Chill the f**k out, dude. If it's THAT serious to the point where your posting a wall of information then you should go outside a spin around in circles or something. Get some fresh air, take a chill pill.

[Snukadaman]

http://kotaku.com/386401/ro...

duly noted...I have the xbox version and I dont have to either...but there are a minority of people with both consoles that are having problems...it seems from the story i posted above that there are more people with ps3 having the problems with the fixes being ps3 specific.

[Ri0tSquad]

To enjoy the game. And since that is a "extensive and unconfirmed fix" and it's only happening to a "limited number", your post is still a fail. It's like me saying you need to wrap your 360 with a towel to enjoy any game on your console to stop it from getting rrod. Not everyone has rrod. Well, at least I don't.

[wass007]

Woooooooooooo 1080p!!!!!! how many of you xbox premium/core owners get 1080p any1 raise ya hands, id even buy u guys a hdmi cable but that wud seem useless to u lmao!!!!! hahahaha!!!!

[GiantEnemyCrab]

I get 1080p fishhead. The 360 scales all it's games to 1080p just like the POS3 does. Even better 360 owners don't have to deal with this:

"As it turns out, gamers who own older HD sets that feature only 480i, 480p, and 1080i resolution input capabilities will have to settle for the display quality being downsized as the game boots in its 480p mode rather than upscaling the image from its more desirable 720p mode to the TV's 1080i."

@below - haha I see what you just did there. I don't have this problem silly I own a 360 and not a CRAPSTATION3(tm). Reading comprehension is a real problem with you isnt it?

[wass007]

thanx for telling me bout the problem of ur tv fishhead lol!!!

[Gam71]

Every 360 game can be upscaled if not native to 1080p because of a dedicated chip called eve i think.

It means it doesn't have to be programmed in or done by software so no hit on frame rate.

Think frontlines

[aiphanes]

If you want to run GTA4 in 1080p mode you have to do that this video showed you how to do...It will not run in 1080p mode if you have 1080p, 1080i, and 720p all selected.

[SlyGuy]

What if I have a native 1080p (Full HD) TV?

Even if i leave 480p, 720p, and 1080i ticked, wouldn't the TV upscale the game to 1080p?

[Legion]

No it will not automatically upscale if you have all settings ticked. It will run the media at the native resolution for the media.

[deeznuts]

Legion, he's not talking about his PS3 but his TV. To answer the question, yes your TV will automatically upscale to it's native resolution, which is 1080p.

I explained it way above, but some people cannot wrap their head around it. All this trick does is make your PS3 do the scaling up to 1080p, not the TV. If you left it alone, your TV would still take that signal and upscale to 1080p. The question is, which one does it better?

[SlyGuy]

I appreciate your feedback very much. I was trying to get a proper answer to that question for a while now. Especially since the display for my TV says 720p, I was a bit confused. But, correct me if I'm wrong, the TV still upscales it to 1080p, the 720p (on the display) simply means that is the signal it is receiving?

I have been trying to compare the PS3 and my Bravia to see which upscales (to 1080p) better. I will have to do some more comparisons, but I know the TV upscales Ratchet and Clank: TOD better than the PS3.

[Legion]

Your native 1080p TV, does it have options for any other resolutions within it's settings?

If your signal says 720p then that is what you are viewing. Though the capabilities of the TV to display 1080p natively is there you are still viewing at 720p.

I have searched the crap out of this subject and still see no automatic upscaling of input signals to 1080p on TVs. It all has to do with native media resolution and then settings per TV and system. So yes this trick will allow the output to read 1080p but you are not getting a true 1080p source.

[SlyGuy]

The TV I have is the KDL-52W3000. Thanks for your help.

One question: If the TV display says 720p, wouldn't a native 1080p TV be upscaling that image (to 1080p) to remove any black bars? Automatically upscaling is what I am referring to I guess (as you mentioned).

Sry if it sounds like a noobish question.

[Euthanasia78]

I have a 61" Samsung 1080p DLP, and I don't notice a difference between upscaled 720p and 1080p. Now, native res is a different story.

[599 US Dollars]

PS3 needs INSTRUCTIONS on running in 1080p? LOL. So much for Sony claiming HD didn't start until they said so. and who would want to UPSCALE gta all the way from SD graphics to 1080p??? LOL. yuk.

[kevin1122]

luckily im one of the few who can tell the difference on my tv, its a cheap hdtv and it displays 720p a little weird. So its nice to have games that are also in 1080.

[prunchess]

What model HD TV do you have?

[wangdiddy82]

If halo 3 was 640p and looked good no one would say anything but dam.. But it doesnt look goot at all thats why people laugh at halo3..

gta4 supposly looks better on the ps3 so what are you getting at THEMART? every website in the world has said this..

[meepmoopmeep]

GTA looks great on my 720p tv. no complaints coming from me.

[macalatus]

I have an LG 42" 1080P TV (though I run my GTAIV game at 720P) and guess what guys? It still looks great, 640 or not. And yes, MGS4 is still coming this summer... :)

[ELite_Ghost]

looks a bit better i guess...

[Crazywhitie]

For a System all about 1080p. it's sure a pain in the ass to get games there.... I don't want to keep switching the settings...... MGS beta is crap and has turn me off to that game....

[themyk]

coming from someone who most def doesn't own a ps3. who cares. and if you do and you judge a game solely on the beta form, you fail. keep playing your xbox, we don't really want you in the club.

MGS4=GOTY

[andron]

Currently playing on a 14 inch CRT TV.

I am going to buy a HDTV by end of summer, but right now it's pretty difficult finding pigeons in LC.

[Whoooop]

"Currently playing on a 14 inch CRT TV"

My GOD... What a crime.

:)

[themyk]

jesus christ man. you could probably walk the streets and find a better tv in an alley way dude.

[prunchess]

They are doing great buget HD LCD's. Bought my 42" Lg LCD for 1,120 Euro in December. It's not great for SD TV but for Bluray and games it's really good. I'd say that the price of the set I bought has dropped again by now.

[andron]

I'm not made of money, so I had to decide to buy a HDTV or PS3 first.

Then my 20 inch CRT TV broke for good, and I had other expenses.

But soon I can afford a HDTV and Gaming will be in glorious Hi Def....;)

[BaSeBaLlKiD721]

did this right when i got the game at 12:30am on tuesday... i noticed a difference between 720p and 1080p for this game... 1080p looks sharper than 720p. luckily i have 40" 1080p to see the difference

[themyk]

your seeing a psychosomatic difference dude.

[Whoooop]

I set my TV on 1080i (I don't have 1080p) and I noticed a slight improvement on GTA4 visuals.

Thought someone said GTA4 was terrible played at 1080i...

[themyk]

isn't 1080i pretty much the same as 720p.
excuse my ignorance on the subject.

[Whoooop]

There are more ignorants than you think... Including me.

"isn't 1080i pretty much the same as 720p"

That's what everybody says and I concur. Some even say that 720p loos better than 1080i.

I just wanted to try 1080i for the sake of it and I don't know if it was just wishful thinking, but it actually looks better IMO.

Maybe I'm crazy... Who knows?? Only me.. and I'm not really sure

:)

[GameDev]

interlaced will never compare to progressive, if you put a 1080i source on a scaler it will read as 1920 x 540. That's because only transmits half a frame of video at a time and then its up to the display device to "interlace" the two half frames. 1080 or 720p will transmit an entire frame of video at a time thus producing FARRRRRR superior visuals and eliminating video artifacts. You know, things like jitter and blurriness, actually interlaced was proposed as the standard for pc resolutions and was FLAT OUT rejected for its inferiors specs. PC monitors have been progressive from day one because of the need to display lots of detailed information at a fast pace. Consoles and games ARE NO DIFFERENT. so when you see a fanboy ranting on about interlaced being just as good as progressive, just chuckle and remember this post.

[TrevorPhillips]

guys the game is 640p just enjoy the game its still good

[ar]

The only way this would improve the picture is if the ps3 has better scaling algorithms than the tv, so the result may vary depending on your tv.
And I don't get the "in the 40″ range" statement. As long as you have a tv that can handle 1080p input it should work. But if you will benefit of is another question.

[bootsielon]

"CRAPSTATION3(tm)"

So much for criticizing reading comprehension, isn't it dipsh1t?

[GameDev]

to all of this is for firmware upgrade that lets PS3 see what resolutions a game supports and then give you that option thru the PS button in-game to change the output resolution.

[SL1M DADDY]

That somebody is pointing this out again. Not everybody knows you can do this and a free bit of video education can go a long way. Props!

[daparky]

I have to say 1080p looks better than 720p. It's less blury in 1080p. You need a HDTV in the 40 inch range because my friend tried on his 37 inch and we couldnt tell a difference but tried it on my 40 inch and could tell a difference.

[xg-ei8ht]

Ok.

Got to play both versions side by side today.:)

Both looked very good.

Abit of info.

Looks
XBOX360- Does indeed look sharper, does not have a filter. 720p etc.

PS3- Does not look as sharp, but can be made alot better with tv setting. Also slightly darker on ps3.

Performance

Checked load times on cuts scenes and general running of the game.

360 - Was solid fps for the most part, but with alot of slowdown in heavy traffic sections.

PS3 - Was more consistant frame rate wise.

Other graphics compared.

Lighting

Much better on the ps3, shadows are correct on the ps3 version, checked in various sections, look under bridges. Something diff going on.

Explosions.

More debris and much better smoke plumes on the ps3 version.

360 is dumbed down in this department.

Also noticed more going on per scene in the ps3 version.

Overall they both looked excellent.

But i would have to give the nod to the ps3 version.

[RDSglobe]

Does anyone know if this can affect the ps3? Like if I untick those lower resolutions and force it to upscale at a higher resolution, can this damage it(for example does it overwork the system?) I have a 42 inch 1080i tv, and would like to see how the upscaling would look on it for GTA 4. Just don't want to take the chance at damaging that magic box.

[tudors]

I have an Xbox-360 and thought you PS3 guys might wanna know? GTA VI shows a lot of imperfections via HDMI and also component e.g areas on the roads can look grainy, also there are framerate issues....so what is my point? well I started using the VGA cable some time ago and it looks much better than component, later I ugraded to HDMI which looks much better in most games but not in GTA, it shows all the imperfections and also has a worse framerate, in other words GTA looks better and runs smother using VGA....maybe give one a try on PS3.

[Varsarus]

I believe Criterion (Burnout developers) said something about the RSX's power being restricted, could be the same with Rockstar.

[tudors]

ps3 is poo get a 360 miles better graphicwise

That was my mate taking the P-I-S-S

[BigDaddyDLo]

Did nobody figure this out on the first day? It has the same thing as Call of Duty 4 with the unticking of the other boxes. Nice way to get hits on your site though I guess lol

[JasonX43]

Is there any way I can make the picture fit my tv screen? I have a 27" Samsung Slimfit HDTV and the picture kind of runs off the left edge of my screen so it's hard to see some of the messages in the top corner or the GPS thingy in the bottom left corner.

[thehitman]

You cant be fukn serious..... THIS WAS ALWAYS KNOWN!!!!!! Lol if you have a game that runs in 1080 you have to unclick 720 to get it. Why are people so stupid...

[AmaziN]

This isnt my site i found it on the playstation forums so i thought i would post it here too.

[Eric1970]

so what if soemone does this on a 52" tv vs. soemthing in the 40" range???

52" 1080p LCD

[daparky]

it will be good on 40" or more. so 52" will be perfect.

[Dnarbeis]

Who cares, looks amazing now.

[Figboy]

SERIOUSLY?

there...are people...that actually COUNT the pixels in games?

so this is what fanboyism has devolved into? counting pixels?

does anyone realize how sad and pathetic that sounds/is?

and the fact that there are people here (that i won't point out), ARGUING over said pixel findings is sadder still.

anyway, my HDTV is 720p, and GTAIV looks great no matter what, so i don't care.

enough with the arguing about GTAIV already, the game is finally here, and it's GREAT. shut up and go play it already.

counting pixels...lol...i swear...

[DevonTheDude535]

Meh, this is nothing new at all. In RSV on the PS3 it was recommended to play the game in 720 over the terrible 1080i upscaling. They showed the exact same thing this guy did a year ago. If the game played in 1080p natively then this would not be an issue

[ropelli90]

ok... so ps3 needs a how-to article in order to run gta iv on 1080p... luckily i have something called xbox 360...

to ps3 fanboys: don't take me too seriously... i read the article

[thehitman]

you dont need an article on it and ur 360 can run 1080p native so I would hush.. People are just stupid if they havent realize that you cant have 720 and 1080 highlighted at the same time if you want 1080.

[MadMax]

What gives, i am running it on my 32in 1080p Sony Bravia and see no difference between 720p and 1080p. Looks the same and for the record the PS3 DOES have the slighter edge over the 360 when it comes to the graphics. If you dont believe me then go check out the review on ign. Those guys know better than anyone. I usually buy 360 games over the PS3, but not this time. Mainly because of the free online and the way GTA was meant to be played with the PS controller. The framerate, faster loading times and slighter edge with the graphics on the PS3 version helps too. Anyone that says otherwise is in denial or has there head up there @ss!

[kewlkat007]

an article with that Headline...at least not on the PS3.

Oh well..

[JokerSGS]

This is so old. I really thought people knew this by now. Although it is not "true" 1080p it can be upgraded but this isn't always a good option for all games.

[Big Jim]

I've got to be honest: GTA4 might be the ugliest video game I have ever seen. Its so blurry and weird looking that I can't even tell whats happening. Its almost unplayable. The draw distance is like 2 feet. Everything else on the screen but those 2 feet are so blurry and messed up that I can't even tell what I'm looking at. Its just horrible. There is no doubt in my mind now that game critics are all getting money hats for reviews. I have the 360 version, and I'm going to rent the PS3 version to see if its better, but I've heard that both versions are pretty similar, so I doubt the PS3 version will look a lot better. Whats happening? Why do critcs like this game? Why do they say it has good graphics? Everything is blurry. I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING.

[tudors]

but the VGA cable does solve the problem (see my post above).

[Sheddi]

it doesnt work for me, i uncheck 720p and 1080i.
1080p and 560p(something) are left. When i run the game i get the 560p(something) resolution

Ive got a 32" LCD full-hd, maybe thats why, he said around 40".

[thehitman]

either u dont have a 1080p tv or ur not using a hdmi cord. You can only get 1080p with hdmi..

[Sheddi]

hmm i am using a HDMI-cable
maybe that only works for gta4, ive only tried it for RFOM

[Fighter]

I would recommend everyone play this in 1080P and you will see a big difference. The game looks sharper and plays even smoother although there are still some issues that we are already used to by now.

[DomUltra]

It looks like complete junk on a HDTV @ 720p, why would I want to make my eyes bleed @ 1080p?