CD Projekt: PS4 is a little more complicated than X1

Balázs Török, Lead Engine Programmer at CD Projekt, explained that while PS4 is easier than PS3 for developers, it's still a bit harder than Xbox One.

[decrypt]

Just give us a dam good game soon, cant wait for Witcher 3. Witcher 2 was amazing, my favorite RPG of 2011.

[come_bom]

Well, this is a surprise. CD Projekt says that the X1 is easier to develop for then the PS4, when most developers say otherwise.

[thekhurg]

Most likely just under some kind of contract with Microsoft. The Witcher 3 was shown at the Xbox One E3 event after all.

[H0RSE]

It's always gotta be a contract, or a conspiracy or some backroom deals with MS, right?.....

[NewMonday]

he means the XBone API's are more familiar, but the difficulty he will face like every other developer is getting the best performance out of the XB1.

if they choose the easy way then the XBone version will look much worse than it should.

[SynGamer]

I call bullshit. Aside from Xbox first party developers, almost ever third-party and indie has said the PS4 is easier to develop for...

[solidboss07]

Perhaps something got lost in translation? Complicated it will be, especially when trying to utilise the GPU Compute capabilities ect that nobody is really showing us at the minute. For more traditional methods we have already seen 720p vs 1080p. Seems most developers say that PS4 is simpler, as Sony have stated. But for longevity PS4 has a good architecture to exploit with time. Processes will be developed.

[nveenio]

"Look at us. We can't reveal more game right now. But LOOK AT US!!!"

^ That's all I hear.

[Prototype_79L]

Especially with the ESRAM + DDR combo compared to the unified GDDR RAM.

[Imalwaysright]

inveni0 Obviously you never played TW1 and TW2. The people that played those games more than likely can't wait to get their hands on TW3 because the 1st 2 games are hands down some of the the best RPGs ever made and I'm not exaggerating. Witcher fans are well aware of who CD Projekt RED are. This studio certainly doesn't need to talk about consoles to get attention, their games do that for them.

[decrypt]

@iamalwaysright

I played Witcher 1 with graphics mods, that game even for today can look amazing with mods. Probably one of the best looking RPGS out there with mods.

[MiloGarret]

Probably because they haven't been paid off by Sony.

[LordMaim]

@MiloGarret: You're probably the only Microsoft advocate that believes that Sony has more money than Microsoft.

[plaZeHD]

@HORSE
Turns out they are in a contract with MS.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

@Bom

The ESRAM is making things complicated for now. But I don't recall any official statements of devs stating anything about the ESRAM's use.

Or devs stating the PS4 is much easier to develop for then X1. I have not seen any devs make that official statement.

I've heard they're similar to develop for.

Unless you can link of those statements.

[ProjectVulcan]

They are a PC developer, DirectX.

Basically, Xbox One is very much like that sharing tools and methods.

Therefore it is perfectly reasonable for this PC developer to understand what they know better, than PS4 which is a different programming environment for them.

[TheGrimReaper0011]

I gues it depends from developer to developer?
Either way, I can't wait for the Witcher 3
"The Witcher 3 is fucking awesome! Kiss my balls."

[Saigon]

@AngelicIceDiamond

It has been stated but not officially as this recent claim from CP. Edge wrote several articles around this and the latest from what I remember is:

http://www.edge-online.com/...

They also wrote another article stating how developer friendly the PS4 console is

http://www.edge-online.com/...

At the same time, though in the first article, they state how the Xbone does have some advantages.

Overall I think it is based on the tools that developers use when creating a game. Some may find Sony platform easier based on their tools while others may find MS structure better. CP may be using tools that benefit the Xbone rather than the PS4.

Also I think CP is waiting for the cloud integration that we are still wondering about to see how much of an increase this function can perform on games. I understand their justification in the released performance, from the other article posted recently, but I believe it is based on their cloud assumptions. With all of the recent tear-downs of the Xbone, that have happened, there is no secret hidden anywhere. The cloud is the only answer and it is still unproven.

[nypifisel]

Well anyone with basic programming knowledge would disagree. I don't really understand how the XBO would be easier?!

[Murad]

Well, it is an x86 arch isn't it? So technically, it should be just programming for a simple 64 bit machine.

[Ju]

Saigon, like vulcan said above, they are primary PC developers and as such probably all their code is based on Windows and DirectX APIs. Those are mostly available on the XBox while they are not on the PS4. PS4 uses a posix layer and custom Sony APIs, this includes the rendering API (not OpenGL). There is a DirectX "Macro" wrapper, but it won't perform at best just using with exiting code. This is where it is "easier" for them. Doesn't help that they will learn soon enough that while easier, it doesn't mean it will perform at best without hand optimizing. Core affinity and GPU optimization will be needed for the XBO as well, otherwise the PS4 will run this home yet again.

But yes, if you have a large PC/Windows code base you can bring it over relatively quickly to the XBO.

[corvusmd]

It's because of the style of game that it is. It's not a linear game. It's a dynamic open world game.

[L0L_WUT]

I think someone just receive a check from the competition ;)

[Fluke_Skywalker]

I don't pretend to know about this stuff like some others. But I read similar comments from other devs, I think it was the guys who made NFS. They said that basically the PS4 isn't "more difficult" to develop for, it's just different. Basically he said that the Xbox one version is essentially exactly the same as the PC version (in terms of programming not performance obviously) because they are both DX based whereas the PS4 is not.

So it's not harder to develop for, just different to what some devs and particularly a mainly PC dev such as CDPR will be used to.

[nosferatuzodd]

dont sweat it they have a fat check from microsoft they are the same one who said microsft are going to release hidden power for the xbone lol

[Xsilver]

I bet Money it Runs Better on PS4 come at me people.

[starchild]

I bet money it will look and run best on PC.

[gear]

Dude what r u saying this game is the one i really want because it's an open world where u get alternate endings, do not compare it with witcher 2 though it's good but compare it with that fuckable game known as "SKYRIM ONLINE" where u have to pay monthly subscription and yet to me the character models have not improved,Yes,Yes i know about modding but i thing the game is going to be shit i don't know why they r so stupid to implement paid subscription wellit does't matter i am not going to buy it instead i will by this best game THE WITCHER 3, He is like solid snake in the western world.

[Alexious]

"SKYRIM" (Elder Scrolls) Online won't have modding, as it's an MMORPG. And the least of its problems is the paid subscription, unfortunately.

I'm happy that CD Projekt decided to go with open world this time, The Witcher 2 felt very constrained in terms of locations.

[Aggesan]

So, if PS4 is more complicated, does that mean the divide between PS4 and Xbone games will grow even larger as the devs learns its quirks?

[Festano]

I agree

[Gamer1982]

It may be easier for one to develop for than the other because of there knowledge base not because the consoles harder to develop for. They might be used to language and tools that xbox uses compared to other devs as other unlike most devs they dont make many games. So please people stop taking this as biased in any one way or another. Why does every dev have to have an agenda?

[oof46]

Plus, to be fair, he did say it was only a bit.

It wasn't like he said, "Oh my Gawdzzz Sony! WTF!!!!"

[shuuwai]

Meh, even though I have a PS4,I still pre-order this game on the PC. I'm having lots of fun with NFS, FIFA on the PS4. I was hoping for Watch Dog. ;-(

Anyone know notice PC games price are par with console games.;-/

[Alexious]

He specified it himself, of course X1/PC DX is a very similar environment while Sony has libGCM, based on OpenGL.

[bunfighterii]

Cyberpunk is the game I can't wait to play

[Alexious]

Yeah, I hope it'll release in the first half of 2014, but I'm not sure.

[JsonHenry]

They are used to DX and the MS style software layers. Of course the PS4 which won't be using DX is going to be more difficult for them. They didn't say it was insane or incredibly hard like the CELL was last gen. And they are a fantastic developer who hasn't let the community down yet either. I don't see why everyone is giving them so much flak for this.

[moparful99]

I think behavior like this is derived out of the previous generation where the PS3 was lambasted for its complex structure by the media daily. It created this "Us against the world" mentality for early adopters of the PS3.. I know because I was one of them and it has had a profound impact on my reaction to articles like this one to this very day.. I placed an awful lot of trust and faith in Sony and was treated like a third class citizen on this site for several years..

[linkenski]

Even though I think the Witcher games overshadow Bioware's Dragon Age by coming out in the same year, (heck there'll be a short month span between W3 and DA:I as well) I'm just happy that 2014 might be one of the best years of RPG in recent memory. I can't wait to get both games.

[Back-to-Back]

Ps4 uses x86 architecture. How and the f*ck could that be hard for any game developer. x86 is so much easier than what devs had to develop on last gen.

[DeadlyFire]

Its the graphics API.

PS4 uses PSSL while XB1 uses DirectX 11.1. A PC developer like CD is very accustomed to DirectX. So there is your answer. On PS4 they just have to learn new ways to do the same things with the different API. They are more than capable of doing so. Give them a few months.

[starchild]

The Witcher 2 is in my top 3 games of all time. Absolutely love it and can't wait for Wild Hunt. I'm also a huge cyberpunk fan and I am so excited to see what CD Projekt Red do with Cyberpunk 2077.

[solid_snake3656]

Poor guys, they probably aren't used to working on a superior console.

[MiloGarret]

PC devs. So... yeah, great comment.

[ALLWRONG]

owned

[sssb]

yea u right i'm not buying ps4 till i see this game in stores shelf cuz at moment the witcher 3 is main reason to get the console, as u said the witcher 2 was pretty good i keep playing more and more when released in 2011, i really can't wait for the witcher 3 wild hunt.

[Crossbones]

Can't wait for the game.

[amodestoccasion]

Agreed! I'm excited to see what CD Projekt do with Cyberpunk too, because I'd love to see their talents in a sci-fi setting.

[Alexious]

Same. I might be actually be a little bit more excited for Cyberpunk 2077, though I won't say that loudly.

[kickerz]

Yea me 2. Love those type of games. I think it will be awesome no matter what platform you get it on

[sigfredod]

Untapped power here, as said by Cerny long ago, easy to develop hard to master

[MazzingerZ]

If that's true ( what W3 devs said) why PS4 has already more PC exclusive ports on it's way from small studios? According to Cerny you get a PC graphic engine running on PS4 just in 2 months compared to 8-10 months on PS3

Only MP dev talking positive about X1 lately...I see som X1 timed exclusive Witcher 3 deal coming... Probably DLC

[sigfredod]

is possible, with $$$$ you can get many things, but the raw power is still there and cannot be change until next gen

[I_am_Batman]

Yeah porting PC games will be pretty easy for the most part. At least as long as the raw power of the PS4 is enough. If you want to use PS4's full potential you'll have to use the GPU for computing tasks which isn't that easy anymore. However GPGPU can be used on PC as well and it won't be easier there either.

Also the PS4 architecture has more tweaks to seperate it from PC hardware than the Xbox One. Since CD Project have mainly worked on PC it probably needs a bit more time to adapt to the PS4 architecture.

CD Project is a very ambitious dev team and I guess they want to get the best possible result for either console.

[awi5951]

They use direct x heavily thats why xbox is easier i bet.

[gear]

Dude they have not told the specific requirements for the PC i currently have Core i5 AMD Radeon 7000 Series,4GB of RAM,windows 7 os

[Alexious]

To be honest, they say it's just "a bit" more complicated. I think they mean that with X1 obviously the tools are the same as DirectX on PC since it's always Microsoft, of course Sony has a different API, but it's a powerful API from what I've read.

[worldwidegaming]

Zero Uptapped power! x86 is already mastered!
If all you did was "Cell" programming for 7 years then "Yes" but this is not cell and its "x86"
this requires zero time to master as there are so many programmers with years and years of experience!
Not to mention all of that ram to just be as lazy as you want!

At this point your either going to be a great programming company or a crappy one. These companies need to be "ALL IN!"

[CocoWolfie]

hope thats not a bad thing, hopefully its worth it.. good luck to them anyway i shall be one of those ps4 owners who buys their game

[Mike134nl]

Performance will only get better it might only take a little bit of extra time.

[Statix]

He's probably just talking about Microsoft's development tools being more Windows-like, and therefore is a more familiar environment for former PC developers. Sony's toolset is probably somewhat different, and requires them to learn the software.

[Ju]

...and APIs. You can just throw DirectX at it, while you can't on the PS4.

All ends when you actually have to do HW performance tuning per platform. It ain't a PC.

Sony did a phenomenal job with their latest iteration of devtools for PS4.

[forcefullpower]

Why do I get a feeling money hatting incoming for witcher 3.

[Kayant]

To note he is talking about PS4's API. As PC & XB1 are very similar in API, SDK compared to PS4's setup.

"The Xbox One is pretty easy to understand because not just the hardware is similar to the PC, but everything like the SDK, the API is really similar to what you would find on a PC. On PS4 this is a little bit more complicated, but I personally worked on PS3 before"

[Qrphe]

That's exactly ehat he's talking about. Coding directly to the hardware is better overall.

[Neonridr]

With great power comes great responsibility...

[Inception]

I knew Mark Cerny IS Peter Parker! Just look at his face and it scream "Hey, his that nerd kid who got bitten by radioactive spiders right?!"

[kB0]

Any programmer worth a damn should be well acquainted with the Linux environment. He makes no mention how it could pose a problem to make use of the Xbox one's esram.

I'm a little shaken by the article only because he mentions the ps3...I dont know why lol. It's architecture was by far more complicated than even the PS2's, the PS4 is very close to the Xbox one in terms of arch.

Also they should have had more than enough time to get acquainted with the dev kits.

[frostypants]

He's used to working with Windows APIs and the One's are similar, so to him that's "easier". Kind of dumb, really. It's not like Sony can be expected to offer Microsoft APIs for the PS4.

[lonewolfjedi]

this is a first a dev praising the xbox one and not the ps4

[Prime157]

Simply because of the API familiarity - xbone is just a windows 8 ported over.

[thehitman]

That is actually a VERY bad sign considering the quality of games currently out. If the API and SDK tools are so similar and the quality is so sub par that means that the system already has quite a bit of optimization in it and the quality is lacking greatly. This is actually a huge indictment on the hardware and any quality disparities will be at no fault then flaws in the hardware.

[theWB27]

No. CD Projekt is the first dev to say anything positive about the X1 over the PS4 and it's somehow still spun into a negative.

Most of the informed know the X1 is behind is dev tools...compared to PS4. Most people know the EsRam is not being utilized and it's also a pain for 3rd party devs since it's so different from what they do with the PS4 and PC.

It's not a VERY bad sign. It's not an indictment. That's like saying it's a bad thing for the PS4 to be so easy to port over from PC...you honestly think the next BF won't be better than 4 just because of this familiarity?

The X1 is weaker than the PS4. It isn't a gap so big the X1 won't be able to run the same core game as the PS4. Less bells and whistles.

[thehitman]

But WB if you read what the dev said he said that the tools are there they are very similar to the tools they always been working on. The Esram is the same as what was used in the 360 just more powerful. There is almost 0 excuse for poorly optimized games at launch because of this.

I am not saying that the performance wont get better, but for them to be so lackluster coming out the gate shows that the performance shown so far is very close to what will be down the road as well. What CD Projekt said isnt even a compliment its just a statement saying the xb1 is more familiar than the ps4. In actuality a lot more devs prefer the way the ps4 is built because the API is down to the metal almost. That is what he was pointing out and that they are not use to it, so its more complicated just because its new not because its hard.

[theWB27]

Hitman...both consoles can be coded close to the metal. That's not something revolutionary. It's one of the biggest reasons consoles see so much improvement over 6 or so years on fixed hardware.

The X1 enjoys this same advantage....it's not exclusive to the PS4. Stop thinking that. http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

There is an excuse for un-optimized at launch...IT'S LAUNCH TITLES!!! Stricter deadlines, less development time, less mature tools, less time to do the extra tricks we see later on in a consoles life.

Again...devs have stated how easy it is to port over a PC game to the PS4...do you think this is a negative also? Do you think the next BF won't be better because of the knowledge DICE has with PC development?

Show me ONE system where games have not been better in year 2,3,4,5 than where they were at launch. Launch games are in no way indicative of what we'll get down the line, from PS4 or X1. Devs being very familiar with both systems is not a negative.

[Golden_Mud]

So you didn't actually see the look of The Witcher 3 ? the game is phenomenal on the Xbox One ,go see the leaked gameplay

[demonddel]

Man Yall have a excuse for everything 1st esram made the One harder to develop for said by a non developer and we soak it up now a developer says the PS4 is a little more complicated now it's the power

[Nocando]

Dem moving goal posts.

[frostypants]

Because it flies in the face of what every other developer has said. He is comfortable with Microsoft APIs, and Sony doesn't use them...thus he is saying the PS4 is more complicated, when in reality it's only because he's inexperienced. Objective developers have stated that the PS4 is easier.

[1nsomniac]

Well that was an unexpected comment..

[5eriously]

CD Projekt:

["PS4 is a little more complicated than X1"]

["Microsoft may unlock "hidden" Xbox One performance boosts in time, suggests Witcher 3 dev"]

What do I find very strange????????

[Whitey2k]

that this developer is sucking up 2 ms?

[Yodagamer]

The first quote was because the xbox1 is setup like pc development from the sdk and api. They have lots of knowledge with pc and less with the ps4 apis. The 2nd quote was because of past experiences with the 360 and they were hoping for the same this gen. Did you read the articles?

[I_am_Batman]

I suggest you read the whole articles and not only the headlines.

[frostypants]

I suggest that people stop submitting intentionally misleading headlines just for the click whoring.

[I_am_Batman]

@frostypants: Yeah I agree but I'm not the one that posts these articles so you shouldn't suggest that to me.

Knowing that a lot of articles have misleading titles it's common sense that you should be reading more than the title to avoid being misled.

[BG11579]

If they say next "The Xbone is more balanced."...

[ALLWRONG]

"What do I find very strange????????"

Because you're a Sony fanboy and you don't like it, so you need to find something to ease your denial.

[Fishy Fingers]

Quite contradictory to a lot of other dev statements, still infinitely more dev friendly than the PS3.

Witcher 3 is going to be incredible.

[AnteCash]

In short x1 off the shelf pc parts easyer to understand, Ps4 custom API that cerny was talking about, meaning they gonna max the x1 sooner.

[Prime157]

I'm pretty sure it's the same argument as DirectX vs OpenGL.

Considering DirectX has a dedicated team working on it while OpenGL is open sourced, I would hope DirectX is easier (like this dev says) as that team provides more clear documentation of how to use the API. However, it doesn't mean it's better like MS' smear campaigns say.

DirectX is proprietary to MS. With SteamMachines coming (linux/openGL) I would hope that these devs take the time to learn OpenGL as it's cross platform and easy to port between any device (mobile too).

Some extra reading if you're really confused:
http://forum.teamxbox.com/s...

http://blog.wolfire.com/201...

[Bladesfist]

OpenGL is not open source, it is open specification and it has a dedicated team behind it.

[Prime157]

Thank you for the correction, as I think my hangover is interfereing with my thinking this morning. However, I'm mainly getting at it's not for profit, though, in that comment.

[aceitman]

@prime the same was said for battlefield 4 and we know its better all around on ps4.

[lifeisgamesok]

This is big and coming from a big name multiplatform studio makes it even more credible

Competition is great. I love all of the games already announced for these new systems

[lonelyplayer]

Meaning, I'm used to direct x and ps4 don't support it.

[ironmonkey]

This guy serious?. Gtfo

[BobBelcher]

you don't know what credibility is do you?

[curtis92]

CD Projekt says "MS may 'unlock' hidden power of xb1 down the line" in OXM. Now they say this.... hmmmmmmmmm. I smell timed exclusive content from witcher 3.

[InTheLab]

Well I figured there was a reason for them coming out on stage at E3 during the MS presser. Kinda feels like MS kicked a little incentive their way because they are the only legit dev saying X1 is easier than PS4 even with the X1's esRam...

[curtis92]

exactly. Too many other developers (3rd party even) saying the exact opposite.

[callahan09]

API differences are mostly just syntax differences in the code, maybe a difference of some built-in methods for accomplishing certain tasks not being present by default in the other API, but in general, API differences shouldn't make much of a difference to a developer because you can learn one API or another just as easily as you can learn Java if you already know C++. I mean, they are all just languages and syntax and familiarity of in-built functions, but if you can learn one, you should have the skill to learn another, it isn't that hard. As a programmer myself, I mostly work in C# at my current job, but I could switch to Java or C++ or even C or anything else asked of me if that's what is required; part of being a programmer is understanding algorithms and concepts and so translation from one langauge to another or utilizing the features of one API versus another is just part of the job, it isn't that hard to make those adjustments. It isn't like the PS4 doesn't have all the APIs you need in its library to make games efficiently, but yes, it is technically true that if you're familiar with the APIs used by Xbox, then having to use a different one will be a learning process, but I don't know if it's fair to say that one is "easier" than the other... Well, maybe it is. I mean, I would say that programming in C# is "easier" than programming in C++. But that said, if there are certain things you want to do in C++ they might be much harder to do in C#, especially if you want it to run as efficiently. In terms of XBO and PS4, both allow you to get about equally as close to the metal, so there shouldn't really be much of a difference in terms of difficulty if you want to get the maximum performance, it is mostly just going to be a learning process going from one to the other.

[bednet]

As a fellow programmer, I fully support your statement. Though I believe your comparison is a bit off as it mentions APIs and not languages. I would compare it more to the likes of using the .Net API vs the Java API as I believe both use C++ for code (could be wrong, not a game developer).

But your statement still holds it's mostly a learning curve.

[gear]

"while Cyberpunk 2077 is probably slated for 2015/2016 for the same platforms." what does that statement mean i am a little confused r they saying the witcher 3 will be released in 2015/2016.

[amodestoccasion]

I doubt the difference will be apparent once we actually play the game, but of course as time goes on and the devs have more experience with the hardware we'll see games that take better advantage of the system. Obviously, this is the natural progression of hardware, but on a related note Witcher 3 looks ill as heck and I can't wait to play both it and Cyberpunk.

[TristanPR77]

Every developer on the gaming industry: PS4 is easy to develop than the xbone.
CD project: PS4 is a little more complicated than xbone.

Jum... Who Am I going to believe? I think I believe the majority but thank you CD Project,now I know your position.

[Festano]

I can not wait to play it on pc

[linkenski]

Ahh, this is not what I wanted to hear :/

I hope the PS4 version will at least play and look as well as the X1 version then.

[AceBlazer13]

Every other dev vs these guys._hmm whose statement seems more believable

[Pandamobile]

Jesus, take off your tinfoil hats, people. This quote doesn't signify some backroom deal between Microsoft and other developers.

[GraveLord]

They're PC developers and they're used to Windows. So yeah, Xbox One is as close to a windows console as you can get. That's not a positive thing though, PS4 is much more powerful and lets developers code "to the metal".

I don't think they're saying PS4 development is hard exactly, its just hardER to push such a powerful system and make full use of it.

[Visiblemarc]

Yeah, kinda what I was thinking. Though, some people find english lit harder than calculus...there will always be conflicting opinions. I saw a woman on tv that eats huge plates of dirt from her yard everyday, says it's better than chocolate...doesn't make it so.

[soniqstylz]

*yawn* port W1 and W2 over and I'll start caring.

[portal_2]

Says the one's who've brown-nosed the Xbox this past gen

[kasser]

oh god, now all the fanboys are going to start a war based on this headline...

It is simple really: CD PROJEKT are developers who are comfortable with the PC development so obviously if you ask them which console is their preference, it will be the XBOX because it is a very familiar platform.

If I gave you two books, one is in Spanish and the other is in Arabic, you will obviously pick the Spanish one because it is close to English where as Arabic is a totally unfamiliar tongue to any Latin-based language.

I also want to add that CD Projekt are one of the most respectful developers in the industry. They totally respect their fans and they don't throw in easy cash-in DLCs or any devlish tactic (I am looking at you, BioWare and EA!). So please, pay them respect and avoid using them in this unholy fanboy console war.

[Jovanian]

Finally somebody speaking some sense

[n1kki6]

How is the ps4 x86 environment with a standard GPU and GDDR5 more complicated than the XB1 environment?

"It is simple really: CD PROJEKT are developers who are comfortable with the PC development so obviously if you ask them which console is their preference, it will be the XBOX because it is a very familiar platform.
" - kasser

Because esram is so commonly used in pc game development right?

[annus]

If you read the thread it's already been stated a lot. They developed using DirectX on PC, they develop using DirectX on Xbox, they do not develop using DirectX on PS4.

Is it clear to you now? They didn't say it was 'hard', just 'more complicated', presumably since they have to learn extra to make it on PS4.

[n1kki6]

Being less complicated because of DirectX is arguing semantics in my opinion since it's not the only factor, but if that migrates better from PC for them then technically the statement is true.

[Mr Marvel]

More powerful = more potential = more work = more difficult.

[Eyesoftheraven]

So not only is it relatively really easy to develop for but it also manages to complex. This is actually great news!

[ZeroX9876]

so 1 dev is finding it a bit more complicated on the PS4 so what?

he didn't say the X1 was more powerful, just easier to work with.

the DirectX API is probably easier to use right now, but with the arrival of steam OS, mantle from AMD and upcoming support from Nvidia too, I can only see great things coming for the PS4 and steam OS.

[ziggurcat]

"Lead Engine Programmer at CD Projekt, explained that while PS4 is easier than PS3 for developers, it's still a bit harder than Xbox One."

liar.

[BABY-JEDI]

So why isn't all the release titles on XB1 running 1080p if its easier? I'm curious. CD Projekt could have advised all launch dev's via MS instruction on how to avoid the bottle neck(s) that have been experienced. Don't you think?

[fullmetal297]

You gotta understand that they come from a PC environment and the tools they are familiar with on also on the Xbox One so naturally they will be more towards it.

[insomniacgamer]

I tend to not listen to devs when they talk about things along these line because they 99.9% of the time are based on them being an exclusive developer (i.e. Naughty Dog) or something of the like.

That said, CDPR has my full respect and I trust them. Anything they say from a professional standpoint I listen to and because they are not stuck on themselves, are not sell outs, and respect their customers above and beyond the call I will always buy every title they put out. An incredible studio that I hope never changes their mission statement.

[Belking]

Look at the all the fanboys losing their minds over this...lol It's not like any of you here can say they are wrong unless you own a dev kit.

[Games_R_Us]

Who cares what devs say, each has their own preferences and bias etc.

Judge the finished product, to hell with opinions.

[BIGBOSS08]

BS. PS4 was built mostly on developer feedback. PS4 is exactly what devs wanted.

[47]

Lol @ the dumbass PS zealots. Oh noes our most precious console isn't perfecttz!!!! CD Projekt is teh lamez!!!! Get over it. CD Projekt is one of the most talented and upstanding dev teams in the industry. If they are claiming they find development on the PS4 to be a little more complicated then that's just truth. These guys are primarily PC devs which is why he's said what he said. You dumbass fanboys can stop foaming at the mouth.

[urwifeminder]

No big deal they are just used the language and tools like direct x.

[feraldrgn]

What they're saying is that the PS4 is a little more complicated for CD Projekt, not that the PS4 is more complicated than the Xbox objectively.

Where as all other devs who use tools other than DirectX find it easier.

I suppose as an example: they've been using MS Paint for so long, which is easily accessable & in the right hands can do cool stuff, while everyone else is using Adobe Photoshop, which is a little more complicated but can do cooler stuff.
I think.

[KontryBoy706]

Yup it's so much more complicated that other devs have managed to get it to run games on it at higher resolutions than the competition... man that's a difficult system

[Consoles4kidz]

So let me get this right, when Indie Developers developing for Ps4 say its easier to develop for, its taken as gospel. When a developer, developing for both consoles says X1 is easier to develop for than ps4, its translation is messed up, microsoft is paying them off, or their are contractually obligated to lie to the media... just wow....

[gigoran]

So... this guy is telling the truth and all the other developers are lying when they say ps4 is easier? Well of course we are going to believe this one guy. What the hell would the other 99.9% of them know anyway!

[Platinum_k]

Maybe they are just lazy game developers who's not willing to go an extra mile to make an incredible next-gen game...MAYBE

[DanDan7]

So now devs are finding excuses to gimp PS4 multiplats? Wtf is this shit, after Cerny clearly stated the PS4 is developer inspired. Must be that M$ money.

[EffectO]

Sony fans vs developers,lol

[Flames76]

The Xbox has always been easier to develop for thats a fact.thats something that will never change.Plus it shows in the games

[LetoAtreides82]

That must be why the Xbone does 720p on BF4 and Ghosts, PS4 does 900p on BF4 and 1080p on Ghosts. Xbone does 900p on AC4 and PS4 does 1080p.

[MadLad]

N4G only seems to disagree with CD Projekt when their words can be taken, even in the slightest bit, as something pro-Xbox.
On the normal day, they are one of the greatest developers of RPGs and their stance on game development and customer appreciation is a beacon of hope for the industry (which they are).
They say that they have a bit of an easier time developing for the Xbox One and they are dirty liars probably taking bribes from Microsoft.

This place . . .

[cabbitwithscissors]

I'm guessing that they are currently programming on the pc and not the xbone environment with its cache limitations.

Programming with direct X will allow for running on xbone and pc but might not be possible on ps4, but when it comes to optimization, they'll probably be singing a different tune.

[LetoAtreides82]

No worries, once they start to run their performance tests CD Projekt will change their tune. I just hope they don't cripple the PS4 version to make MS happy.

[Onixg5mer]

I can understand why because their game is base on windows.