Call of Duty: Ghosts PS4 judder caused by frame rate exceeding 60FPS

Call of Duty: Ghosts' "juddering" PS4 frame rate is actually a visual phenomenon caused by the game rendering faster than 60FPS, it's been revealed.

[Saints94]

Soo good that the game can't handle its strength.

[GrizzliS1987]

dude all that horsepower, the ps4 is all like...why you so slow bro get it moving

[shivvy24]

so does this mean it runs better on PS4 than PC ? Srs question btw

[FamilyGuy]

At the very least they need to cap the frame rate at 60 if it can't be full-on locked.
PS4 version took a lot of shots for this and all along turns out that it OVER-preforming was the issue. lol

[cleft5]

If ever there was an acceptable reason to have technical issues this is it.

[blackbeld]

Hahaha.

"Call of Duty: Ghosts' "juddering" PS4 frame rate is actually a visual phenomenon caused by the game rendering faster than 60FPS, it's been revealed."

PS4 is to powerful to handle for the game.

[abzdine]

lol that beast!!!!

[zebramocha]

From gaff,there is a second one with I think Arthur gies' picture.

http://i.qkme.me/3t5f5l.jpg

http://abload.de/img/gies8c...

[GTgamer]

So Cod can't handle the PS4 O.O Cod holding back the PS4 since 2013 ;) (also this is another indication that the PS4 is the strongest console)

[EXVirtual]

Well, the Dark Sorcerer was running at 1080p above 60fps as well (jumping between 30fps and 90fps, wasn't even optimized). Fair enough, it's a tech demo, but it is very impressive.
Now that an actual game (a launch game mind you) is running above 60fps along with 1080p native, I'm even more excited about the PS4's future. A very surprising twist.

[Kryptix]

So all that time people were bashing how the PS4 had problems playing CoD was because it was overperforming even at 1080p?

Can't wait to see what the future of multi-platform games on the PS4 brings.

[LonChaneyTV]

"so does this mean it runs better on PS4 than PC ? Srs question btw"

no. PC's support G-sync, no frames lost or cut when running at 120 fps. All the more reason to consider PC gaming.

[GarrusVakarian]

All those times the Xbox fans said "lol, the PS4 isn't powerful enough to run 1080p 60fps" and it was because the console is TOO powerful, haha, gotta love it.

Thrust,belking,palaven and the rest of you guys, what do you have to say now?

[devwan]

I'm sure Polygon will be rushing to update their review accordingly...

yeah, right.

[LonChaneyTV]

"All those times the Xbox fans said "lol, the PS4 isn't powerful enough to run 1080p 60fps" and it was because the console is TOO powerful, haha, gotta love it. "

"TOO powerful" Such an arrogant conclusion. suddenly we've gone back to 06 when everyone believed potential was infinite and there was no reason to need better hardware.

In truth both consoles can do 1080p 60 fps.(when optimized for that.) It's not guaranteed though to accommodate evolving technology in games.

to always support that standard you would need ever evolving hardware. (similar to PC)

[LonChaneyTV]

""TOO powerful" Such an arrogant conclusion. suddenly we've gone back to 06 when everyone believed potential was infinite and there was no reason to need better hardware."

Improving that statement a little, they have power of their own to acknowledge but these consoles we're talking about are closed architecture, and are using midranged PC parts.

In the PC world NO PC is considered "too powerful", definitions are always evolving depending on games and hardware. Too strong for some games Too weak for others.

[MysticStrummer]

"Thrust,belking,palaven and the rest of you guys, what do you have to say now?"

That's easy. They'll just go on repeating the same crap.

[Enemy]

YOUR FRAME RATE IS TOO HIGH BRO RELAX OR I'LL GIVE YOU A BAD REVIEW AHHHHH MY EYES

[Delive]

If your tv can refresh over 60 fps, would this juddering happen?

[memots]

just like 30fps, 60fps needs to be locked to have a smooth gameplay.

[indysurfn]

@gtgamer Good points on top I'd like to add. The xbox one cant run it at 1080p or 60fps. But the PS4 needs to be slowed down to 60fps at 1080P!

reminds me of the fastest man on earth. What if Usain Bolt (xbox one), had a twin brother INSANE Bolt (PS4)? They will have to slow this INSANE BOLT down that's what!

[hesido]

"no. PC's support G-sync, no frames lost or cut when running at 120 fps."

Oh, PC's may support G-sync. You forget to mention it's only on Nvidia. And only a few monitor models currently have support for it. (and even then some of those need a 100 dollar add on for it to work, it doesn't come out of the box.)

Don't get me wrong, I'm very excited for G-sync tech, but you talk about it as if the support is wide enough for you to talk about it as if it is ubiquitous which is totally incorrect.

[starchild]

This is so stupid. In order for a game to be capped at 60fps it is always going to be rendering over 60fps.

To get a capped 60fps the actual framerate is going to have to be something like 63 to 81fps (not those exact numbers, but in that ballpark).

This is because rendering loads are not consistent from moment to moment. Some parts of any game are more demanding than others.

The same thing goes for 30fps games. If you unlocked the framerate I guarantee every one of them would be outputting up into the 40s or 50s. Which you have to have in order to have 30fps as your minimum.

But framerates that don't evenly divide into the refresh rate of the display (60hz displays are by far most common) will always introduce judder and uneven controller response. So 20fps, 30fps and 60fps are the options. 20fps simply doesn't give enough visual information and a smooth enough sense of motion to be used for games, so that is why we see most games capped at 30fps or 60fps.

Perceived stuttering is caused by two things:

1. The frame rate drops under the target frame rate, thus the frame intervals get temporarily out of sync with the refresh rate of the display.

2. The frame rate is unlocked and therefor experiences the normal swings of the rendering load. This causes stutter, again, do to the irregular frame intervals. This also causes screen tearing. Vsync will always cap the frame rate at the refresh rate of the display.

An unlocked framerate above 60 would be a very poor choice. First, it would cause the GPU to render more frames than can be rendered by the majority of displays, which is a pointless waste. Second of all, it would cause the GPU to produce more heat, increasing chances of hardware failure and shortening its lifespan. Not to mention the other major negatives listed above.

Now, Call of Duty Ghosts on PS4 is Vsynced, also meaning the frame rate is capped at 60fps. So if people are experiencing stutter in Ghosts on the PS4 the only cause can be if the frame rate drops below 60fps sometimes. (unless it is micro-stutter caused by delays in the rendering pipeline).

In either case, it has nothing to do with rendering too many frames.

[Improv]

@ Shivvy

You do realize PC games can get as high FPS as your rig can handle right?

My rig handles CoD at higher graphics than PS4 and runs at 120 frames per second.

[starchild]

I'm not sure who David Bierton is. I've seen lots of analysis done by Richard Leadbetter and he is knowledgeable. Either David Bierton doesn't understand how frames are rendered, buffered and displayed or he just got confused in his explanation of it.

This has nothing to do with rendering "higher frame-rates than 60fps". As I said, every 60fps game is actually going to render an increased number of frames if you uncap the framerate.

The variance is generally on the order of 15 to 30 frames, but it can vary quite a bit from game to game. So if it is capped at 60fps and hitting that mark 95% of the time, that means 60fps is the MINIMUM frame rate, except for that 5% of the time it drops below 60fps.

What's we're dealing with in this case is frame latency spikes. For a smooth 60fps, each frame must be rendered in 16.7 milliseconds. Even if the average framerate is 60fps as recorded by something like FRAPS, if the frame delivery isn't consistent it will result in perceptible judder.

This is why a lot of the more forward thinking tech sites are starting to use to tools to see what is happening within each second, in order to find these frame latencies that are missed by older frame monitoring tools.

There are a lot of really good articles on the subject for anyone that is interested:

http://techreport.com/revie...
"The fundamental reality we've discovered is that a higher FPS average doesn't necessarily correspond to smoother animation and gameplay. In fact, at times, FPS averages don't seem to mean very much at all. The problem boils down to a weakness of averaging frame rates over the span of a whole second, as nearly all FPS-based tools tend to do. Allow me to dust off an old illustration, since it still serves our purposes well:

The fundamental problem is that, in terms of both computer time and human visual perception, one second is a very long time. Averaging results over a single second can obscure some big and important performance differences between systems." -Scott Wasson, from the article above.

http://www.extremetech.com/...
http://techreport.com/revie...

[starchild]

As Mr. Wasson pointed out, a second is a long time. Think about it.. in one single second of time 60 unique frames are created and drawn on the screen. A whole lot of amazing synchronization and timing has to happen to realize that result.

For smooth and consistent motion (i.e. no stuttering) at 60fps each frame needs to be rendered and delivered to the frame buffer in 16.7 milliseconds. For 30fps, frames need to be delivered every 33.3 ms.

If you drop from a consistent 16.7 ms delivery to a 33.3 ms delivery you would see a very noticeable drop from 60fps to 30fps. These are the kind of obvious frame rate drops that people usually refer to as "slowdown". They normally last for at least a few seconds.

However, what happens within a single second also matters. If only one frame, out of those 60 frames that are delivered within that second, is delivered late (say it takes 25 milliseconds), it will still be perceptible. And if that happens to at least one frame every second or even every few seconds it can produce perceptible stutter even if the framerate counter is pegging it at a 60fps average.

These "skipped and incomplete frames" are a problem of frame delivery TIMING due to frame latency, not of running at a framerate higher than 60fps in the way people normally understand it. With a double buffered v-synced game the front buffer and back buffer are flipped after each refresh of the display. Drawing of new frames is not done if the buffer(s) contain frames that have not yet been displayed.

[Xsilver]

That PS4 tho and IW y'all suck at optimizing the game for the PS4 because the PS4 is pushing that game above and beyond sadly it can't take it .
This Polygon right now http://www.gifcrap.com/g2da...

[Eonjay]

Polygon Downranked COD Ghosts (PS4) because its framerate was too high.

Mind Blown.

[Stsonic]

Where is V-sync? This does not sound correct considering console games are always locked to 30fps or 60fps.

[wishingW3L]

Locked frame-rate is one thing while Vsync is another. But I'm not gonna explain that here.

The thing is that when you lock a game to a certain frame-rate be it 30, 60 whatever... If the game's not pushing the console then 2 or 3 frames will always go above the fixed amount.

And the judder is not cause by the game or engine but by the display which can't process the frames because it's 60hz native and not 63hz or whatever. 120hz and above TV sets are still 60hz native; 120hz/240hz/600hz are interpolated. As of now only monitors can display higher hertz than 60.

[ProjectVulcan]

The game renders too many frames and the wrong ones are displayed half finished while others might be skipped.

So rather than displaying 58, 59, 60, 61

It could accidentally display 58, 59.5, 61, 62
just as a crude example. The wrong frames are skipped.

A fix should eventually be able to correct it so there aren't too many duplicate/incomplete frames.

[Oschino1907]

@wishingw3l

My one tv is native 240hz and its from 2011, it interpolates up to 960hz. Pretty sure it wasn't the first or last to do it.

[pwnsause_returns]

Ps4: dude you have s***t graphics, so let me just increase the frame rate cause I feel like it.

[Xsilver]

Cod: http://assets.diylol.com/hf...

[frostypants]

It's because they're using a crappy old engine on hardware that can slam-dunk it and shatter the backboard. This says more about Infinity Ward's laziness than anything. This is not a next-gen caliber game. At the very least they could have capped it.

[devwan]

It also says as much about other "next gen" machines that can't live with it...

so it seems those rumours a few months back saying the ps4 port took 3 weeks to get up and running at up to 90fps might well have had more to them than some people thought.

[davekaos]

Wait wait wait a minute.... so the ps4 over performs and if i am reading this right the Xbone drops as low as 50fps @720p

Tonight the xbots will cry

[bigboirock]

Everyone in the right mind knows that the Xbox one games were developed later than the PS4 because of the drivers had problems and dev kits were released later than the ps4 devs so yea I expect PS4 multi platform launch title to run better

Every one that knows hardware can tell you the xbox one could handle cod ghost specs on 1080p with ease

Both consuls will be fun can't wait to get my Xbox one launch and PS4 in January

[MRMagoo123]

So the ps4 runs the game at too high a frame rate and that causes some issues, nothing a patch wont fix, so its 1080p looks better than the xbone version and runs at a much higher fps , good to know

[deecee33]

Almost all modern FPS engines have a frame draw limit that limits the number of frames the engine will draw every second, and it can usually can be set by changing a variable (or a couple of them). This should be patchable. Good to hear the problem is more frames, not less!

[Malice-Flare]

lol, Polygon...

[majiebeast]

Ye they deducted 0.5 from the PS4 for frame drops, damn do they look stupid now.

I dont get why activision doesnt just release a patch that locks the framerate, problem solved solid 60fps at 1080P.

[Malice-Flare]

IW went bad after the Respawn guys left...

[rezzah]

Patches cost money right? If so I doubt they'd want to spend anything, maybe use it on the COD game coming next year.

[nosferatuzodd]

lol indeed i love it i have full fate in sony when it comes to hardware

[scott182]

1080p, 60+ fps. I love the multiplats on ps4.

[shivvy24]

Haha too powerful for that old engine

[kwiksilver99]

so ,a future patch to lower the framerate on the ps4 because its too much?
bet no one saw that coming.lol

[kiz2694]

This is ..brilliant!

[badz149]

more like HILLARIOUS! XD

[black0o]

this proofs the rumors that surfaced sometime ago

''ATVI was doing the CoD: Ghosts port to nextgen. It took three weeks for PS4 and came out at 90 FPS unoptimized, and four months on Xbone and came out at 15 FPS."

[shivvy24]

that's probably why they reduced it to 720P

[devwan]

https://mlpchan.net/site/sr...

(bam!)

[akaFullMetal]

Wow, I thought it was dips in framerate, but it is actually because of 60+ fps. Should be able to fix then, ps4 just being too powerful for cod.

[sigfredod]

Too much power for that old engine lol

[monkeyDzoro]

LoooL. So while most systems will have juddering framerates because they CANT handle the game, theres framerate judder here because the game... CANT handle the power of the console.
That's so funny.
This game is a joke.
LoooL.

[wishingW3L]

not the game or the engine but the display. All normal TV's are 60hz native, only monitors can show higher hz as of now.

When you see TV's being advertised with 120hz, 240hz, 600hz... That's interpolation. A post-process that duplicate frames to reduce judder on movies which are filmed at 24 frames but for games it's pointless because it causes lag.

[monkeyDzoro]

This is a problem of optimization. Not TV. The game is "rushed" dont know if it's time or bad code, but there's a problem in its development obviously. If not they would have : "Buy a TV with a better display"

[Oschino1907]

Well sorry to tell you but native 240hz tvs are real and interpolation isn't only duplication.

I have one tv with native 240hz and interpolation to 960hz. Other tv which is older and cheaper is 60hz and interpolation to 240hz.

They are from 2011 and 2010, they weren't the first or last, just not budget tvs under 1k. It's standard on almost any high end tv and becoming more common overall.

Heck my no longer with me tv from 2008 had native 60hz and interpolation to 120hz. I would hope they have progressed beyond that and they have.

[Gorilla_Killa_X]

Not true. My Panasonic 3D tv is native 240 Hz, but only when watching a 3D movie. Otherwise I think it runs at 120 Hz during normal operations.

[frostypants]

Part of the blame is the majority of TVs which don't handle stuff well over 60fps. But developers should put in a framerate cap to counter this.

[obliteratorFTW]

Woah. Ps4 will win multiplats war this gen hands down. Lol at the naysayers. Must be looking like fools now.

[thrust]

Well i got cod on xbox one because of xbox live and dedicated servers!

it an online game to me!

[Whitefire]

PS4 has dedicated servers for COD. Also BF4, and Killzone. Pretty much everything Xbox will have. It's not an exclusive feature fyi.

[Xsilver]

@whitefire
let him live in his fantasy world.

[Sevir]

Whitefire, Forget the reason's he listed, The main reason he got the xbo is because he's an XB FANBOI!!!

[Angels3785]

Just because Microsoft is new to the dedicated server scene doesn't mean no one else has them ps3 has had dedicated servers for exclusive games since resistance fall of man.....you think MAG could run on P2P? Heck when MAG launched sony praised the server technology!

[GarrusVakarian]

Yeah because dedicated servers are a MS exclusive feature! /s

Humble pie indeed.

[JamieL]

@ white & friends
Yea but the PS3 didn't offer the option for dedicated servers to all for every game on the system. That’s why this is a "thing" at all. For the record I'm not disagreeing with what you said, only saying why I think people say it's a cool selling point. It’s a bullet point the compition doesn’t offer developer’s. Yet anyway.

[MRMagoo123]

yup just ignore the fact the ps4 version has dedi servers too at the same time as having the better version of COD lol.

[Volkama]

Sigh...

Killzone Shadowfall doesn't run on dedicated servers, every game is hosted on someone's PS4. It has some dedicated servers for stat keeping and matchmaking. Grats.

Activision claim Ghosts uses dedicated servers for the One version, "hybrid P2P and dedicated" for every other version. Read: most likely the same as Killzone, but could be interpreted that a few proper servers are used.

Battlefield for uses proper dedicated servers hosted by EA, so you can celebrate that one if you like.

The Live infrastructure is an advantage for the XBox, get over it and stop spreading misinformation.

On topic: whether it's rendering too few or too many frames, the end result is judder and it needs to be fixed.

[VaporCell]

Dat frosting :)

[DiLeCtioN]

My monitor approves this message.

[Belking]

We all know that's BS. It caused by crappy coding and unstable hardware.

[Whitefire]

Joke post?

[majiebeast]

Wahahaha so crappy coding made the game better on PS4... Yeah makes sense...

[joeorc]

@majiebeast

"Wahahaha so crappy coding made the game better on PS4... Yeah makes sense..."

Yeah..yeah ;i know it must be all that "balance" that Sony's and Nintendo's system's are so missing that another system made by another company has.

/Wink

[joeorc]

@majiebeast

Kinda like getting a great bonus in every PS4 box.

http://i.minus.com/i5HosGmv...

[obliteratorFTW]

Pfft, belking can't stand ps4's awesomeness. Lol.

[scott182]

Someone needs to play more games in 1080p, it might cheer you up :)

[Sevir]

LOL! and yet and still he'll be paying $500 to play the more inferior one, which has suffered from Crappy coding!

"Give the a troll a bridge! Trolls LOVE bridges"

[JackVagina]

This actually benefits people who have a moniter/TV that supports Hz rates higher then 60

[Majin-vegeta]

Oh Belking

http://youtu.be/owzhYNcd4OM

[MysticStrummer]

"We all know that's BS."

said anyone who ever read one of your comments.

[FITgamer]

I wish they'd ban you already. You never say anything even remotely intelligent or funny.

[GarrusVakarian]

Wow Belking.....you really show your true colours with a comment like that. You are so just FILLED with jealous rage towards the PS4. The PS4 is too powerful for the game but yiu say it has to be BS.

Denial and jealousy to the maximum level.

[mrmarx]

xbox 720p tv.. xbox you suck

[tommygunzII]

@ Belking

Just come to the darkside. You won't regret it.

[Narutone66]

For all we know, he might already own a PS4, the problem is that he's paid to troll the forum.

[SpideySpeakz]

Butthurt?... Here, have a PS4..... Better?

[ziggurcat]

@ belking:

funny how when xbone is revealed to pretty much only handle 720p, you fanboys rant on about how it's gameplay, and frame rate... but when it's revealed that the PS4 is trying to render the game faster than it can handle @ a native 1080p resolution to boot, it's "unstable hardware." sorry, but unstable hardware is resorting to native 720p @ 60fps because it can't handle native 1080p @ 60fps.

[Whitefire]

I always thought it was weird why it seemed why I was dropping frames when nothing was happening, it was going over 50 frames! Hopefully they patch it so it stops happening, because it gets annoying sometimes.

[Kayant]

Poporn.gif

Release the krakken :p

[JackVagina]

Heres the original DF article http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

(why did someone submit this article reporting on an article, instead of just submitting the original article?? I don't even...)

[Majin-vegeta]

PS4 power is over 9000!!!!!!!!!!

http://youtu.be/UKX4uAtJE3c...

[obliteratorFTW]

Http://t.qkme.me/3q3z75.jpg

[L0Lcano]

What more do you expect from Polygon. Their Xbone review had the statement 'Next Gen arrives' as if the ps4 was inadequete for next gen. What a bunch of patsies.

[boeso]

Bahaha

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

The feel of next gen

[shivvy24]

polygon haha

[Coach_McGuirk]

v-sync?

[TheDarpaChief]

Unlimited POOOOOWER!!!!!!!

[Lowsnamebrand]

You get an agree and a bubble for being the DARPA chief, ehh I mean Donald anderson, ehh I mean sigant

[MikeGdaGod]

wow...thats pretty awesome

[MidnytRain]

Lol, frame rate judder is a good thing now? Shoddy code = praise. I'm sure I've seen everything now.

[MikeGdaGod]

i'm not praising the shoddy coding, i never thought such a problem could even exist.

[Hicken]

C'mon. It's not praise for the bad coding. It's awesome because it's showing that the PS4 is even more powerful than initially thought.

Not only is the game not having trouble REACHING the target FPS, but it's actually having trouble not EXCEEDING it. That's the sort of problem devs wouldn't mind hearing about, when working with a piece of hardware.

[MidnytRain]

Breaking 60 frames in CoD is far from "awesome" and does not in any way demonstrate "power."

Jumping above the frame target would probably happen to any game that wasn't locked properly...

[Hicken]

It absolutely does demonstrate power, especially given that it's far more typical for a game to struggle to REACH a framerate on a given platform. When do you ever hear about games sometimes exceeding their framerate, instead of dropping frames?

This is a problem I've certainly never heard of before, and anyone who regularly keeps up with gaming would say the same.

Well, whatever. Your posts are starting to paint a certain picture, anyway.

[GentlemenRUs]

If the PS4 can indeed do over 60+ fps, Then we need V-sync :P

PS4 - Not only can it do everything, It can do ∞'ity more!

[shivvy24]

what is v-sync ?

[GentlemenRUs]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

:P

[davekaos]

the problem with Vsync is that if the game drops below 60fps then vsync will knock it down to 30fps.

better to just cap the game @ 60fps

[EXVirtual]

So the PS4 is having problems with this game because it's exceeding 60fps? Whoa.
I know the engine is not impressive in any sense of the world, but because the PS4 is running a game at native 1080p and exceeding 60fps, it really excites me for next-gen with the PS4.
@wishingW3L, exactly.
Seriously though, this is hilarious. Words will be eaten. Time to see how GAF has exploded.

[wishingW3L]

yeah. It means the game's not pushing the console at all.

[badz149]

makes you really wonder why it's 720p on the Xbone

[mshh4]

Higher than 60fps and 1080p this amazing people now I can confirm uncharted in ps4 will run at 60fps and will have best graphics in next gen games

[Visiblemarc]

OMG... I figured it was just some buggy code. This is hilarious. So many people will have to eat their words.

[cell989]

Starting with Polygon

[mshh4]

This confirm that any polygon review is nothing other than crap.

[TristanPR77]

Wow PS4 is a beast lol.

[BlackPhillip666]

Dev`s need to remove VSync yes you will get some screen tear but the game`s fps won`t be limited.

[cell989]

Lol yet Polygon says - .5 for you for dropping frame rates -__-

[MRMagoo123]

Bet you all the money in the world they wont apologize either, they prob wont even mention it and hide it under a rug somewhere.

[Mr_Luke]

Wait, i don't understand so well... it means that the PS4 is too powerful for the game and instead of being locked to 60fps it goes above?
And the dropping framerate, the reviews and so?

[quenomamen]

Not to detract from the beast that is PS4 in any way but this is Call It Doodie we're talking bout here, crappy would run an an Amiga 64.

[Cyanide85]

I can't wait to get my hands on this beast come nov 29th.

[feraldrgn]

Wouldn't it be more logical then, to lock it at 60 & use the extra resources (however small) on more effects, etc?

[MasterCornholio]

But then it would look better than the XBOX One version.

Thats why.

P.S The sharper resolution already makes it look better but having extra graphical effects would make the difference even larger.

[OlgerO]

Man Polygon should really be scrapped from metacritic, they shouldn't be taken serious by anyone.

[cyclindk]

Slightly off topic, but anyone else feel the aim assist in CoD is a bit ridiculously too strong now? This coming from someone who abandoned the series after Mod War 2 and Black Ops Uno.

Like anyone can just walk around and start firing without having to aim.. not to mention the oversized hit box

[lawgone]

Nah, I feel it's a little better but that's a good thing. There was too much of a penalty for hip firing in black ops 2. In reality, when you hip fire a rifle at a target that's under 30 yards away, you're usually going to hit it. Now if they could just eliminate quick scoping and the instant death when getting stabbed in the toe, things would be better.

[cyclindk]

Hip fire I totally agree with, bullets don't become less deadly just because you aren't staring down a sight. But I'm talking about the freaking auto-lock on glue gun aim assist!

It's insane..

Only game I would want assist in is maybe a driving game, but not against other people!

Where's the competition.

[BDG]

After reading the comments posted here I cant help but think that all gamers from both sides should just see Activision as just a lazy dev that has zero interest in optimising the game to make the best experience they can for gamers. They have milked the COD licence for years, taking gamers money and giving as little back as possible.
I think gamers from both sides should recognise this and not buy the game until Activision make something truly amazing that shows they are prepared to put the effort and work in to make something special instead of mediocre.
As much as Polygon may have got the reasoning wrong for the glitches they experienced they were right to mark the game down on ps4 because of them because irrespective of the reason it still indicated a significant issue that should have been fixed before release of the game.
Its unfortunate that everyone is using this as pawn in the new console war instead of seeing Activation for what they are, lazy and greedy.

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

well said...who in their right mind would disagree with this. Oh,I forgot...this is N4G.

[andrarfc]

Sad sad sad delusional children, if you read online that ps4 could fly you'd believe it.

[PersonMan]

Wouldn't that cause screen tearing because most displays only refresh at 60hz?

[PharaohX]

Here is where the truth lies. Beast or Not. Over powered or not its more about running the game at the most optimum performance to get the best results. So yes our Beloved PS4 has games running at 1080P but its quite possible that it does not need to run 60fps. While it can push the speed and specs maybe Xbox 1 is on to something. While we are gunning for top of the line the fact is consoles might just need to be optimized for performance not for specs...

[lawgone]

It seems most of you didn't read the article or you wouldn't be looking at this as a good thing. At points the PS4 is going over 60fps and at others it's dropping down to 40. In both instances it makes it appear as a loss of frame rate, though counter intuitively, the effect is worse when it is exceeding 60fps than when it's dropping below that.

<<Digital Foundry also states that the higher resolution of the PS4 version can lead to some frame drops, falling to 40FPS when under heavy stress, but mostly sticking between 50 and 60FPS.

"Thankfully, the effects of these normal frame-rate drops are less obviously visible than the judder caused by the renderer exceeding the 60Hz refresh," the report continues, "although even with the 1080p patch enabled things don't appear as smooth as the Xbox 360 version of the game.">>

Now don't call me a hater for pointing out a fact. I hope they fix it since I'll be buying a ps4 at some point.

[lawgone]

Please Mr. Disagreer, mind to explain what you disagree with? It's a quote from the freaking article.

[piffyd]

bullsh!t

on pc it runs @ 91 (capped but you can unlock it for 120 and 144 hz monitors) frames and judders not a bit

it stutters on ps4 because ps4 has a weak cpu and gpu

it also has jaggies everywhere on ps4 because ps4 cannot handle proper anti aliasing

what is scary is xbox1 is even weaker

[iMaim]

Mistaking juddered frames for frame drops...
Goddamnit Polygon.

[annus]

"Digital Foundry also states that the higher resolution of the PS4 version can lead to some frame drops, falling to 40FPS when under heavy stress, but mostly sticking between 50 and 60FPS."

[Shakengandulf]

So does this mean that they can patch it and run it at a locked frame rate?

[Rhythmattic]

Seems this franchise has gone to the dogs...

Im guessing its not even worth pirating for the 4 hr (or so) campaign....

As for the full priced multiplayer, na... I only ever bought COD4 and MW2.

It was MW2 I realised Acti had their hooks into the gamers, breaking up the community with annual releases, knowing, smugly , all will have to follow...

I will get a PS4 and a Bone, but I won't be getting this Dog of a game.

[DJ]

This is hilarious. That engine needs to get scrapped for something better.

[Underworld]

Just a question. Can TVs display images over 60hz? Some are saying yes some say no. And I have a Samsung 100hz, but on the box it also says "clear motion rate 400hz". What's this mean? Is it native 100hz or 60hz?

Also, how does it work? If a game is 60fps and the TV is 100hz, how does that work? Is there any good sites that explain it?

Just curious

Thanks :)

[bornsinner]

THIS IS A LIE, digital foundry have done a fps test after patch of ps4 ghosts... it's frame drops to 48fps at heavy action.. expect the mp to be worse JUST LIKE ALL THE REVIEWERS HAVE SAID.

[TomShoe]

But But But But...Polygon and Adam Sessler told me this game plays better on XBAWKS!!11

/s

[RealtorMDandDC]

I currently have the PS4 version. The campaign looks very very good. The underwater mission is pure eye candy. Blows the PS3 version out the water.

I'm genuinely impressed, after purchasing COD on PS3 and was totally underwhelmed and annoyed because it corrupted my PS3 and I begun to Default Reset at least 2x a day. I bit the bullet and spend my free PSN $10.00 that came with my PS4 and got it for PS4.

The first COD campaign that I will play thru in many many years.

[clouds5]

Sad how N4G became this ps4 fanboy conglomerate... ITZ HAZ SOOO MUCH POWA THA GAMZ CANT HANDLE IT. How dumb can it get?

Games run faster than 60fps all the time on PCs, that's nothing special at all. If you turn down resolution and quality you can make any game run over 60fps. That's why most pro gamers play with settings all the way down ;) Look at some Starcraft 2 first person footage.

The only difference is that PCs handle that way better than the PS4 obviously, all games have options like vSync and framelimiters to stop screen tearing and studders like this... With CoD it's probably just shitty programming.

[justerthought]

OK this is what I think really happened. Infinity Ward wanted to keep MS happy with lowest common denominator port parity. They lowered PS4 to 720p. But a side effect merged. The PS4 had surplus power and started rendering far more than 60fps, overshooting the 60hz refresh rate of the hardware. This caused severe judder as completed frames had to be dumped in the trash. Missing frame judder is far more noticeable than a frame rate drop with all frames in tact.
The PS4 and XB1 are too far apart in terms of power for port parity.
Rather than admit they had deliberately gimped the PS4 and had to u-turn the abortion, they claimed it was an error that got past the quality control. I know COD is always full of bugs but the quality control are not that bad to miss a resolution drop from 1080p to 720p. Shame on you Infinity Ward, for sucking up to MS, gimping PS4 and then lying to cover it up. Unforgivable.