Resolutiongate Continues: NDA Enforces Silence About The Differing Performance Of The PS4 And X1

Pashford Murano takes a quick second to observe the flawed nature of the video game industry,based on some revealing information of a recent interview with Call of Duty: Ghosts producer, Mark Rubin.

[Hatsune-Miku]

the games are doing the talking and so far the ps4 proves that its 50% more powerful than the xbox one. the specs alone proves that the ps4 is way more powerful than the xbox one and that is undeniable.

if i see any multiplatform games that im interested in looks the same on both the xbox one and ps4 ill refuse to buy it. no reason for big AAA games to look the same on a system that is over 50% more powerful.

[Sitdown]

Perhaps you should say 50% one more time.....maybe the 3rd time is the charm in convincing yourself. Seriously though, what games have you played that has shown you that the PS4 is 50% more powerful. I have not seen them as of now, and could really care less, because I am sure I will thoroughly enjoy bth.

[Destrania]

Killzone Shadow Fall for one. Not only is it visually the best looking launch title next-gen, but it's also doing A LOT more from a technical standpoint, behind the scenes or otherwise, than most other games. Same with Resogun with all the insane particle effects and physics simulations going on, yet still maintaining 60fps in native 1080p resolution. There really is no contest. The games that release on PS4 next year will be even more incredible. Mind=Blown.

[Sitdown]

So what you are saying is that Killzone makes the ps4 appear to be 50% more powerful than every single game on the xbox one? Not sure if I am buying that right now?

[CJDUNCAN]

@Destranoa, so you mention 2 PS4 exclusive games to say there's no contest with the Xbox One? The argument is about multiplat releases.

From all the videos released on the multiplats, the 50% raw power advantage of the PS4 is BARELY noticeable.

But alas, enjoy your console :)

[Playstationologist]

1080p native is nearly 50% more pixels than what xbone is pushing for the same games. It's all a bit pointless though, yeah? We've seen enough now, ps4 has the best hardware and that's not changing.

[Sitdown]

@Playstayionologist
Isn't Forza in native 1080p? So the xbox one is capable of 1080p games as well...which makes that 50% argument invalid concerning the push of more pixels. We have seen enough? I have only been able to experience the xbox one at this time, and from what I saw it looked more than capable. I will not be able to experience the ps4 until it hits my door on the 15th....so no, I have not seen enough for me to believe 50% more...which is crazy that people feel they can decipher a 50% difference in power simply through visuals.

[Minato-Namikaze]

Technically ANY game can do 1080p/60FPS, but the question is whats gotta be given up to get there. In forza's case it has no dynamic lighting, no night and day cycle, no weather effects, static backgrounds, etc... Forza basically looks like a very pretty last gen game with nothing new, its a HD remaster for XB1.

[user5575708]

keep in mind here that launch titles are nowhere near the potential a console has

i will say though that microsoft overclocking their hardware already is a definite sign that there is a decent gap in power

either way after launch hundreds of tech experts will dissect both consoles and we'll have a legit comparison

[MRMagoo123]

I would think the fact the ps4 exclusives are all 1080p would prove that and xbone has only one, but if you need more how about 125% more resolution in COD ghosts and 56% more resolution in BF4, let me know if you need more k sitdown cos its all there for ppl to see easily lol.

[MightyNoX]

@sitdown

Forza 5 is native 1080p only after it discarded dynamic light, day to night cycles and dynamic background if it had those features (which drive club has) i guarantee it would have suffered a resolution loss

Wipeout and GT5 on the PS3 were 1080p 60fps. Touting that you can do a racing game in those resolution is like saying you learned how to open a cookie jar by yourself.

But keep believing the swill MS feeds you. D'awwww.

[Kryptix]

@Sitdown

PS4 at the moment can display almost 50% more pixels than the Xbox One. And if it's like Battlefield 4 for example where it's not 50% more, it has more visual settings turned on. EA confirmed Xbox One is missing visuals like ambient occlussion. And we seen it is missing anti-aliasing also, the reason why...tests have shown Xbox One has a lower frame rate than PS4 even with these settings turned off.

I won't say you should look at Killzone or Infamous to see the PS4's potential, but with the multiplatform games, Killer Instinct and Dead Rising 3 confirmed to be only 720p, the difference is showing.

[NeoTribe]

Well ps4 so far has double the resolution output. That pretty much proves it enough right there. We will see what else the ps4 has done better when we have our hands on it personally, rather than looking at doctored 1080p bullshots online.

[Ezz2013]

@Sitdown

well, for one
ps4 exclusives are all 1080p native
while xbox own exclusives are 720p/900p beside one race game that doing nothing next gen.

ps4 side of multiplat games are all 1080p native outside of BF4 which still have higher res 900p on ps4 than xbox 720p version.

if this is not enough to tell you about the power gap alnog with the offical specs
then i don't know what will.

[RedHawk02]

@Sitdown
Yeah, Forza 5 is native 1080p 60fps. But compare the gameplay trailer of it to the current Forza on Xbox360. Speaking in terms of polygons and physics simulations, there's barely a difference. The average human can tell. So they push really hard for native 1080p and 60fps but at the cost of keeping everything else current gen.

[aceitman]

it amazes me how ms talked so much about how much better multi platform games where on 360 games compared to ps3 but now there just looking like cry babies and cant take the fact that ps4 is so much better than xboxone , so now they tell people they cant talk about it. what the hell happened to freedom of speech . if u can brag u should be able to take it when it comes back at u.

[XxGOWxX]

NDA's arent new. All companies use them. Apparently sony has one where you cant talk about some games until after their launch so people have already got the game before they see a bad review. It sucks but its common practice.

[XxGOWxX]

Compare launch ps3/360 games to games now. There is always improvements that can be made. using games that are out now based on their GFX to compare systems is a bit silly. PS4 is more powerful on the hardware side but MS will have some software tricks theyll pull out later on.

[Minato-Namikaze]

So the PS4 will just sit idle? The gap wont close, its only going to get bigger as games become more demanding.

[AaronMK]

Since the architectures are almost identical, those same tricks can be used by PS4 developers.

Those tricks would have to involve the 32MB of high speed ESRAM, but that is only 0.4% of all the memory in the XBox One that is only slightly faster than all 8GB of main memory on the PS4, with the rest being significantly slower.

I'm not saying it's impossible for the XBox to leverage that with software tricks, but just don't get your hopes up on it closing the performance gap.

[MRMagoo123]

the gap wont close, it will get larger and you can blame the weaker gpu and the ESram combo, as games need more and more resources they will have to start using gpgpu and thats not going to tide to well for the xbone ESram, in fact i can imagine give it 2 years maximum and the xbone games wont get any better from there on, but the ps4 will start accelerated.

[XxGOWxX]

Well the operating systems are still different even if the architecture is the same. sony couldnt just use code that microsoft makes it would infringe patents/copyrights etc.

Are sony as good with software as microsoft would be? i dont really know for sure but i would assume MS would be better. correct me if im wrong.

Also when/if they release the extra gpu power the kinect is hogging we will see at least some improvement.

The gap may never actually close fully but i cant see MS just sitting around letting sony get better and better.

**conspiracy theory** MS already have ways of enhancing performance BUT they are going to slowly release it so it looks like XBO gets better and better over its life time. how easy is that to market.. ie, now 10% more powerful ;)

[Jovanian]

'if i see any multiplatform games that im interested in looks the same on both the xbox one and ps4 ill refuse to buy it. no reason for big AAA games to look the same on a system that is over 50% more powerful.'

that sounds extremely elitist tbh

[TFJWM]

I'm not sure elitist is the right term but I see where your coming from. But it also makes sense from his point of view if every other company is putting out games better on 1 system and then suddenly from another company they are both at the same level something is up and he doesn't want to support that.

[Belking]

There is no 50% more powerful. you won't see it because it's not there. What we are seeing now are tools that haven't matured for either console

[Destrania]

Keep telling yourself that. Do us all a favor though and not spread lies to others.

[Sevir]

LMAOO!!!! Yep, Keep telling yourself that!
Delusions and denial run deep with Belking and the other Xbox fanboys

[tuglu_pati]

Dont you people get bored talking about the same sh@t over and over. PS4 is more powerful, big deal, the PS2 was the weak console of its generation that didn't stop it from having the best games. Im pretty sure both consoles will have great games this gen.

[SpinalRemains138]

Yeah but when you couple the best games along with more power, then you've got a beast. It matters.

Think
Those same studios that made the PS2 so popular, are now working on the ps4. Its going to be epic, man.

[Obscure_Observer]

@Sitdown

Let him! It´s not worth it.

When Halo 5 comes out, we´ll see about these 50%.

I´m not saying that Killzone: SF isn´t amazing. It is. It´s the best grafics that i´ve seen so far one PS4

Still, even the PS Fanboys know that when Halo 5 arrive, the 50% more power talk will fade away when compared to Killzone.

Then, i know what will be the excuse. "Halo 5 had one year to be devoloped, KZ:SF was a launch title"

You see. They never lose. No matter what the scenario.

[Minato-Namikaze]

Wouldn't it be better to compare Halo to a game that comes out around the same time as it?

[Hicken]

Halo's never been a graphical powerhouse. Pretty? Yes, though that has more to do with the vibrant colors than anything else.

As far as pushing particles and other effects, Halo's not exactly been at the forefront.

Also, why wait until whenever Halo releases to compare it to a launch game on PS4? We can take the SAME game on both consoles and see that 50% difference in performance already.

And what's worse: it's another game that's not graphically intensive. If anything, it should easily be the same on both consoles, and yet...

[SpinalRemains138]

Halo? Are you kidding?

Halo games are by no means ugly, but they're not exactly known for pushing the visual envelope. Come on.

[otherZinc]

@Hatsune-Miku,

Really?
Forza 5 sent Drive Club back to the lab!

Forza 5 is the only next gen game running 1080p "native" @ 60fps online and offline.

[Tornado]

yeah with prebaked lighting, no night and day cycle, no weather effects, static backgrounds, etc... the list goes on :)

[MasterCornholio]

I saw the comparison videos and it looks like higher resolution Forza 4 to me. Now Driceclub looks like a next gen racer especially with the highly detailed environments and weather.

Nexus 7 2013

[Obscure_Observer]

@Hicken

Yeah, Halo never been a graphical powerhouse. But i´m trying to stay grounded here. I´m not gonna compare KZ:SF with Ryse. I´m not that imature.

I think that comparisons should be made by level and genre of games.

Yeah, we can make a comparison right now. But in this case, PS4 will lose. Forza 5 vs Drive Club? And please, don´t give that lame excuse that one is simulator and other an arcade racing game. Acording Evolution, DC has been on the making for 9 years.

If it´s true, How in between two games developed by first party studios, one of it was developed in a 50% less powerfull machine turn out to be better? You tell me.

Picture this: Evolution Studios has delayed Drive Club to 2014, to polish that game. So i wonder, IF even after the polishing, Will Drive Club still look inferior compared to Forza 5?

Is it possible? Since the PS4 is 50% more powerful than X1, this is not a possibility as far i can tell.

So, to me a comparisson between Halo 5 vs Killzone: SF is legit. IF PS4 is really so powerful one year plus to Halo 5 will not be a advantage at all.

[mistertwoturbo]

You sort of have to think about it being in the shoes of the developers. Of course they would like to be more open about their development process for the games, but there are executives that make sure they don't for political reasons. I'm surprised IW even came out and confirmed that Ghosts was 720p on Xbone and 1080p on PS4. They could have stayed quiet about the whole thing.

But you also can't just say flat out one is more powerful than the other without the company burning bridges. It's all about the money and partnerships. Microsoft has had deals with Activision for exclusive DLC and all that stuff.

But this type of thing happens all the time, and even Sony had some deals with EA for BF3. It's going to flip flop based on whatever nets them more money. It's not about loyalty and it's not about consumerism, it's about money.

[GraveLord]

Well the difference is already known. If you are still unaware of it, I just don't know what to tell you. You are just not informed.

[LordMaim]

I'll just leave this here.

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[RonRico]

Nice one. Good movie.

[SpinalRemains138]

That's excellent!

[chaosdemon09]

We won't see that 50 percent for about a year or so...oh wait..even though I'm not a NBA fan there is a game called nba 2k14 .. That's a little preview of what next gen SHOULD freakin look like.

I want anime fighting games to actually be a freaking anime in realtime. That's what next gen better bring.

[Ausbo]

i agree with nba 2k14. It looks amazing. Im not an nba fan either, but i love my hockey. I hope nhl 2015 looks that good.

[chaosdemon09]

Ya hockey I may get if it looks good. The madden game looks too much like last gen. They better steal 2ks Tec they used and step there game up next year.

[SmoothC911]

By not saying anything, they are saying a lot. I'm hoping xb1 is at least good since competition is good, but this kind of news makes me very happy I decided on ps4!

[KimoNoir]

These xbox fans are hilariously stubborn but also right to a certain degree that they really dont see the difference in performance. By that (performance) i mean , they have no experience in playing a game @ true 1920x1080 / 60fps/60hz. Thats why dont give a shit because they dont know that the difference in power that is required to run 1920x1080 from 1280x720 is significant in the amount of power in order to be over capable in holding framerate.

For example- COD GHOSTS (xbox1@1280x720) runs fairly alright. Right there it is already struggling to hold 720p @60fps.

On the other hand - COD GHOSTS (ps4@1920x1080- notice the significant amount in pixels the hardware needs to produce?) and yes it fairly runs alright also...

In a pc world, if your machine struggles a bit at 1080p, you can bump down the resolution or drop a couple graphic options in the menu to maintain a target frame rate (fps). If your machine struggles @ 1280x720, your machine is gonna REALLY struggle when newer games come (subjectable to certain games) and lots of compromises are needed in order to maintain a steady 60fps or 30fps.

For the ps4 and xbox one, of course there will be compromises from the developers (limiting some graphical options) but if PS4 drops the native resolution to 1280x720 on some new multiplatform game, the xbox is gonna do even more damage to the visual fidelity of the graphics. The xbox is either gonna maintain the 1280x720 (at the expense of textures and graphics looking like a pile of play dough) or the resolution is gonna be dropped far below 1280x720 and maintain the same high fidelity graphics.

More than 70% of you have no idea what im talking about so im expecting more dislikes from xbox fans.

To end this all, i really dont give a fuck about which wins. Im here to tell you what graphics and resolution means (since none of you have ever experienced 1080p gaming @ 60fps- unless youve got yourself a high quality pc gaming machine).

[u got owned]

oh my god you are so wise. please teach us... psss

Are you hungry for attention buddy.

[KimoNoir]

@u got owned: youre just another example of a naive fanboy.

[u got owned]

@cycofoo831

A fanboy calling me a naive fanboy... lolol good stuff bro! Im a fan of games. You are just another example of a naive person as a whole. Get out of that basement and get some sun buddy.

[Loki86]

Optimization and maturation of the tools matter way more than what is under the hood in most cases. When you have GPU scalers like Tile Rendering in a few years that extra 20-30% won't mean anything.

Also, you are getting dislikes because of you elitist attitude when you really have very little clue what you are talking about.

[Sevir]

First it was the cloud, then it was the secret sauce and now its wait till the tools mature with tile rendering? yep. dev tools for Xbox one will get better, but But so will the tools on the already more powerful PS4, so that the results will likely remain or even be worse...

Either way you slice the cake, The Xbox One's focus simply wasnt 100% on gaming

[Loki86]

This has nothing to do with what I talking about. I am pointing out the industry is slowly capping off what they are capable of and software and development are moving more into the direction of optimizing their games and finding cheaper alternate solutions with software tools that are already in OpenGL/Direct x11 like what mantel and G-sync are showing off right now with their perspective company.

[MightyNoX]

@Loki
Dude just step away from the keyboard. He owned you. Second gpu, secret sauce, the cloud, maturing tools, eSRAM...at some point you're gonna hit a wall from all the backtracking.

[KimoNoir]

Optimized tools on the xbo doesnt matter when multiplatform games are gonna suffer more on the weaker hardware (more graphical compromises). Just as i said in my post above "you'll have to compromise either the rendering resolution or drop some graphical options to maintain the target framerate"

But yea i agree i am a pretty elite asshole who thinks i know it all but i really dont. I just have ALOT of experience with playing the same games you play (but i play them on the pc and consoles.) that somehow doesnt count at all considering i do know how to reach target framerates (if needed) by adjusting mass amounts of graphical options (that including going into configuration files out of the game) to make the game smooth @1920x1080 /60fps

[Loki86]

@MightyNox

You are an example of the maturity on this site, owned me. I'm not trying to compare myself to anyone just trying to state that this is what is coming and since I am a Computer Engineer for a company that uses Azure everyday as well as adapting and testing new tech, I think I have a pretty good idea which direction technology is heading.

Also, cyco you don't go into specifics on anything or use anything other than basic terminology yet claim "you know all about this stuff" so how I am suppose to believe you. I know things like FXAA, Lighting renders, and Tessellation still mean something, but this comes from what the developers can pull out of the system. It doesn't just magically appear on the console.

Also, you are putting way too much emphasis on resolution, since these "graphical options" determine the amount of details, just upping a pixel count does not compare to real lighting engines, complex shaders, and anti aliasing. Just another clueless individual, message me if you actually want to learn something.

[LordDhampire]

He is right, most console gamers don't even know whats going on....they are just given a resolution there whole life...they think they are tech savvy but they are not, while I'm not going say the ps4 is 50 percent faster, denying that it is faster is pure ignorant, the technology in both of the consoles is the same family of cpu and gpu just one is fast....the most important part of any gaming computer is the gpu, don't let anyone else try to tell you otherwise...ram doesn't mean crap if your gpu doesn't have enough power to render games

[u got owned]

I disagree maybe the casual console gamer don't know the difference but the hardcore console gamer knows the difference. You don't need to be a tech savvy to know which console is more powerful.

Don't confuse fanboyism with knowledge. Even the most hardcore MS fanboy knows deep inside that the PS4 is stronger, whether they want to acknowledge it or not.

[Ausbo]

Are you using cod ghosts as an example????

Cause to me it looks like crap on both consoles.
Ryse, Forza, Killzone, and battlefield 4 all blow that game away.

And Ryse which is ARGUABLY the best looking game at launch, is 900p. So it looks as though infinity ward are just not that good or they got lazy, or activision rushed them.

[KimoNoir]

Yes i am using COD GHOSTS as an example (with all due respect.). It is a fair qualified game if you apply it to the current hot trend of which console is stronger.

COD ghosts is graphically lame and xbo can barely hold 60fps @ 1280x720 whereas ps4 is doing 60fps @ 1920x1080.

So what am i doing spending $100 more for the weaker console (considerably weaker than ps4)?
Only reason i can think of is the awesome ecosystem that xbox has. The massive amounts of friends i have on there (who have converted to ps4 anyways with alot of effort to convince them since theyre also pro competitors on COD games so this can compromise their team unless they also swap.)

[Ausbo]

Im not arguing that the ps4 is a little stronger than the xbox.

Im saying that Cod on xbox looks like shit, not because of the hardware, but because of the laziness of the devs and the seemingly untalented people at infinity ward unable to optimize the game properly.

And theres always a learning curve on new hardware.

[KYU2130]

All i can say is that turn about is fair play. all we heard this gen from the 360 house was m-plats were far superior on there side. this coming gen it looks as if it will be reversed, if this is the case MS is taking it badly.

NDA can't save you once systems go live in the wild. I am in no way saying one system is better, i can't as i haven't tested either system yet.

[BTBuck1]

Forza (a racer)is to my knowledge the only 1080 game on the XB1, Hey, PS2 had a game that was 1080 too, (a racer) remember it? GT4 @1080i when no other game was... My point, Racers obviously aren't that involved or demanding which is why they're able to be pushed to those high res/fr.. When they show a game like Killzone running 1080/60 then i'll say ok, the system is capable.. but they can't even get deadrising at 720/60 and that game isn't even remotely graphically intense, and ok it's open world (kinda) but really, not even 60fps? weak...

[toddybad]

stop it......my head........please just stop it.

[cups ears and raises voice]
LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-AAAARGH

[chinlu]

"yeah with prebaked lighting, no night and day cycle, no weather effects, static backgrounds, etc... the list goes on :)"

Dear god, I've seen this posted a million times in the same order by tons of people. Makes me think that you guys have that shit on a notepad on your desktop always copied ready to be pasted.

[KimoNoir]

Kudos, i found that pretty funny

[SpinalRemains138]

Of course it continues.

The Bone didn't somehow become more capable.