PS4, Xbox One Hard Drives Will Only Fit 12 Full-Sized Games

BGR:
It might be a good idea to go ahead and start planning out exactly how you are going to fill up your new console’s hard drive. Dave Thier from Forbes points out that the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One are each equipped with 500GB of internal storage, which is plenty to store dozens of current generation of games — but unfortunately for digital hoarders, launch games on PS4 and Xbox One will typically come in between 30 GB to 50GB in size.

[GusHasGas]

I'm pretty sure that I've already pre-ordered at least 12 PS4 games... :(

You would think that two such advanced machines could include hard dives with more than 500GB...

EDIT:

A 2.5 inch Sata ll 500GB HDD (included in PS4) is $59, and a 2.5 inch Sata ll 1TB HDD is $84. I don't see why Sony didn't invest into including 1TB HDDs...

(proof):

http://www.amazon.com/WD-Bl...

[GarrusVakarian]

Im guessing it was to keep costs down, how advanced they are has nothing to do with it. Glad im going mainly physical, same as i always have with most things.

Although i would rather have paid a little extra for 1TB.

@1OddWorld

I thought you only cache the games while you play? And then as soon as you put another game in it gets deleted for the new game that's entered the PS4? So if you had 450gb remaining and you played a game that had a 50GB install THEN played another game after, the 50gb from the previous game would be deleted for use of the new game....right?

[1OddWorld]

I was wrong I missed this some how
http://www.thesixthaxis.com...

Going physical is a good thing.

[GusHasGas]

Yeah, but on Amazon, the Sata ll 1TB HDD is only about $25 more than a Sata ll 500GB HDD.

[1OddWorld]

@ Lukas_Japonicus - You are totally right I some how missed that very important piece of info. Maybe 500g will be just fine.

Damn it got the info wrong again. It still takes up the 50gig... Help I'm spiraling with confusion. Bad brain day.

[buddymagoo]

Well if you need more space you could always upgrade the PS4 hard drive

[saladthieves]

And I believe that this is precisely where having physical copies of the game comes more handy than their digital counterparts. A simple shelf will hold more than 100 PS4/Xbox one game. A hard drive equivalent just doesn't exist.

[GmIsOnPt360]

Both consoles require physical games to be installed before play as well. So still a lot of installing and deleting so going boy coal isn't any bettwr

[Stsonic]

You are right now I have two questions:

1. Why did this get approved?
2. Why is this article still up even tho the author has admitted his mistake? (kudos for that most would just run with it)

[kneon]

@buddymagoo

And that's why I've already got a 1TB drive ready to go day 1.

[UltimateMaster]

It's one of the main reason why consoles have retail games.
PC has huge space for multiple HDDs, that's nothing to worry about.

[ShinMaster]

I don't know about you guys, but I don't usually play more than 12 games at a time back to back.

When I'm finished with one game I usually make room for another game if I'm running out of room, unless I'm still playing the multiplayer, which is unlikely for most games, personally.

I guess that's a good think that Sony let's you upgrade the HDD on the PS4 for cheap, unlike other consoles.

[vigilante_man]

Good job the games in the PS4 can be cached so they are deleted and re-cached for a different game.

Biggest issue for me is Sata II. They included USB 3.0 so should of gone with Sata III (6Gbps). All older disks would work fine but also newer ones too with potential for blinding SSDs when prices drop over the coming years.

For me I will go for 1TB 7200 rpm or a 1TB Hybrid 5400 with 64MB cache. In the PS3 the 7200 was faster and seemed quieter. The 64MB cache of the Hybrid would make a massive improvement in performance.

[GusHasGas]

Sorry, forgot to include one more link:

http://www.amazon.com/Blue-...

[Yo Mama]

It might only be $25 more but if you multiply that by 2 million..... that's significantly more money Sony needs to spend up front.

[Kayant]

Or could be used to beef up hardware. $25 might be little but it could have been the deciding amount (bulk wise) for MS or Sony to get better hardware.

[OlgerO]

12 PS4 games ? You sir are a beast!

[HugoDrax]

"we don't believe you, you need more people" - HOV

[Caleb_H]

because 84-59=25. If sony sold a million ps4s that'd be $25,000,000. Which is a lot, even for a big company like sony.

[TheTwelve]

I just bought a TB so I guess I can hold...24 games? But I'm pretty sure I'm not going to be playing 24 games at once so I'm good. I'll just be deleting what I'm not playing.

I bought this one:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/pr...

[Rockstar]

I grabbed this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Seaga...

Hopefully it will do this for PS4:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[ovnipc]

Ps4 owner are in luck, can upgrade hdd to 2tb. Xbox hdd its internal that sucks. Maybe opening the cnsole and inser a bigger one, but most likely will be pattented like x360.

[HugoDrax]

I don't think 2TB internal hdd drives will fit inside the PS4? isn't there a size requirement? I think the max currently is 1.5TB

[kneon]

@AuricGoldfinger

The limit is the 9.5mm thickness, which I believe right now means a 1TB maximum. But of course that will go up over time.

[kingPoS]

2tb 2.5 HDD's will come later. And the PS4 can fit drives up 12.5mm

[ALLWRONG]

X1 can use external HDDs from day one.

[Trekster_Gamer]

Your comment is typical of a sonybot... Unlike Sony you WILL be able to add external HDD to the XBOX One unlike the pees4

[evilbart]

Would this one work very tempted to get it as its quite cheap

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sea...

[lazyboyblue]

No has to be 2.5 inch.sorry

[strickers]

$25 isn't much to you, buy times that by 15-20 million within 2 years.

[mistertwoturbo]

Non-issue for me since I will be buying only PS4 exclusives with a rare multiplatform title or two.

[nasnas76]

Generally speaking in manufacturing, for every $1 you spend to make it, it cost the consumer retail price $4-10 more. And with consoles always being sold at a lost (development cost included), the less $$ used the better for the company selling it.

[RaptgamersUnited]

Yeah they should of gave us 2 sku's at launch day. And at least charge us another $100.00 for the TB HD. Sony could have taken advantage of this and made a bit more profit from it.

[Eyeco]

Isn't 12 games an above average attache rate? basing this off recent attache rates, the average gamer isn't going to own more than 8-10 games.

Obviously we're enthusiasts so 12 games is usually the least amount of games we'll own for a console generation (I personally own over 130 games across 3 platforms) So as enthusiasts we shouldn't expect either companies to server all our needs, if 500gb is to little, simple just buy a bigger HDD.

[JimmyLmao]

dude, if you are using physical disc games, you wont need to upgrade your hard drive ever.

this is only a problem for digital games.

[Stuart81]

Agreed I would have expected at least each system to have a minimum of 1TB

[Relientk77]

That's why I bought a 1TB hard drive for my PS4

[Crossbones]

What type?

[capjacksparrow]

These are good...

http://www.amazon.com/HGST-...

http://www.amazon.com/TOSHI...

[Relientk77]

My friend also bought one for his PS4, we are both upgrading, this is what we both got

http://www.newegg.com/Produ...

Seagate Solid State Hybrid ST1000LM014 1TB 64MB Cache 2.5" SATA 6.0Gb/s Laptop Hard Drive -Bare Drive

[Lubu]

@capjack, Sony said it has to be no more than 9mm. That Toshiba you have linked is 12mm. It probably won't fit.
I did order the HGST 1.5tb drive. Ready to be upgraded day one.

[OrangePowerz]

@Lubu

A German magazine got one earlier and took it apart and said that it fits 12mm.

Not sure about the data transfer speed from the Toshiba with only 3gb/s.

[FunAndGun]

Straight from the PSBlog:

http://blog.us.playstation....

What type of hard drive does PS4 use?

PS4 is equipped with a 5400 RPM SATA II hard drive. Users can choose to install a new hard drive so long as it complies with these standards, is no thicker than 9.5mm, and is larger than 160GB.

Follow those guidelines and you will be fine.

[RiPPn]

I grabbed a Seagate 750gb 7200rpm SSHD hybrid from ebay. All the hybrids now are 5400rpm which makes this model more appealing. These ones are factory recerts that include a 6 month warranty, from what I read the reason there are so many recerts of this model is because they needed a firmware upgrade to work properly, so these should be as good as new which is probably why they are giving such a lengthy warranty. I've had one of these SSHDs in my PS3 for a couple years now and the performance is fantastic and 7200rmp makes a major difference on the PS3 so I'd assume even more so on the PS4 since it's going to be used for cache.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sea...

[mistertwoturbo]

You guys should know that the PS4 only supports SATA 2 which is 3gbps. No point in buying a 6gbps.

[1OddWorld]

1TB seems like the sweet spot.

24 games Theoretically. More if you include the ton of indies coming to both consoles.

[The_Ozymandias]

I agree, and I'm looking at this Hybrid Drive. Great Price, Great Specs.

http://www.amazon.com/Seaga...

Theoretically, it fits between 20-35 games (with an avg. of 27 games) I don't think I've ever owned more than 15 games at once, I also don't think I've ever owned any digital games, let alone any combination of the two.

[SOD_Delta]

I'll wait till a 2TB compatible HDD is released.

[neocores]

If u would read about sony Yoshida says game install dont have to be installed at all it will cache the date.

[DigitalRaptor]

Exactly. A well-said bubble for you.

https://twitter.com/Diamond...

For those that don't know, the game doesn't need to be fully installed as the data is cached to the HDD, and then the files are deleted once they no longer are needed. Great solution, if you ask me.

[Cyb3r]

I only have a 3mb internet connection and it wont get any faster where I live for another 4-5 years so I guess I have to stick with indie and disc based games for a while. But how will I transfer all of my content to a bigger internal hard drive when my 500gb gets filled by disc based installs and saves etc?

[Belking]

xb1 has unlimited cloud saves anyway.

[Idba]

-For game saves, profiles etc.

Just about the same you get with PS+ on PS3

[Codey47]

It's 1 gb storage for each system (PS3, PS Vita, PS4)

I'm gunna be ok for disk space a Hybrid will take the original HDD's place

[Cyb3r]

I was wondering when my PS+ subscription runs out do I have to buy another subscription to access my cloud saves? and will my cloud saves get erased if I don't buy another subscription within a certain amount of time?

[Codey47]

@ Rich

You will have to buy another subscription to access/upload/download your saves.

IIRC 6 Months is the duration of save games after the 6 month deadline they will be deleted. Unless Sony has mysteriously changed their policy.

[Cyb3r]

@Codey Thanks for the info
That's kind of disappointing that I have to keep buying PS+ to keep cloud saves from being deleted after 6 months. I wonder if you can backup PS4 saves on a USB device? If not and the hard drive fails all my progress would be gone. I remember reading about this happening to someone on gametrailers forums their 40GB PS3 HDD failed they didn't back up their saves and they had 60 hours progress in Skyrim.

[BLAKHOODe]

@richierich

GameStop's leaked Black Friday ad has 1-year PS+ cards for $30. I plan on buying at least 3 of them. (They should stack.) If you're concerned about your PS+ subscription expiring, you might want to consider doing this.

[DigitalRaptor]

Awww, another person who thinks Microsoft is letting you store your games in your own compartmentalised section of the cloud.

Why would Microsoft let you upload a game you've already downloaded/installed to their servers, when the game is already on their own servers in the first place? That would be an absolutely colossal case of data redundancy. THINK!

[ziggurcat]

Upgrade PS4 HDD because you can... Problem solved.

[Campy da Camper]

This is what anyone will do, not exactly rocket science. For me, I'm not worried. I'm kind of weird about clutter and delete anything I'm not using. Once I beat a game its out of there. Same with my phone and emails. I always delete sent messages and delete the deleted items. I can't stand having "stuff" in my inbox when its no longer relevant Lol.

[ziggurcat]

i do the same thing (i.e. delete when it's finished), and i don't get why people think that they need to keep it all...

[Sketchy_Galore]

Do we still need twice the size of the game free space just to install it? Because even on my PS3 there have been games that I've had to wipe a ton of stuff off my HD just to get them to install.

[Fireseed]

Games are bigger now a days...

[AceBlazer13]

i know what your talking about. needing x2 space for games was pretty annoying.i think it's different on ps4 though since you can download while playing that would mean the data gets installed at the same time(i assume). or maybe they'll do like TLoU and just let us download an installer for the game.

[skoorydook]

Only have 2 or 3 games maximum at any one time tbh, couple of games I usually keep for online and 1 for campaign that usually gets traded when complete.

Actually think 500GB might do me for the duration

[theWB27]

This...I survived just fine on the 20gb(really less than that) that the 360 came with at the start. 500 for me will be overkill. I do alot of sports...just erase the last years game.

[blackout]

Weather it's saves or whatever, if your and LIVE subscriber you get UNLIMITED CLOUD storage. A beautiful thing.

[OrangePowerz]

You won`t install games to the cloud and load them from there. I know MS went on and on about how your games are stored on the cloud. But that`s just PR language for "the digital games are linked to your account and you can log in on another console with your account and download the games you bought from the store".

[BLAKHOODe]

I don't understand why that is so hard for some people to understand.

The full game is already in the "cloud".. as well as every other game, including the ones you don't "own". It's not like if you buy a game digitally, a digital copy, reserved just for you is stored in the "cloud" ready to play the second you want to play it. You have to download it.. and even though you can play while it downloads, you still have to download a portion of the game before you can play. How much of a portion? We don't know. But considering we're looking at games that are 50 GB, I wouldn't be surprised if you might have to download at least 5 GB of it before you can play it. That would take my internet connection about an HOUR to download.

[DigitalRaptor]

Thank heavens most sane folk can see through Microsoft's PR talk.

Yeah, cause Microsoft are reaaaally going to let people re-upload an unlimited number of games that already exist on their servers in the first place. No, Microsoft aren't going to afford such epic data redundancy.

They haven't even gone into detail about the "unlimited storage". By the sounds of it, they've got people thinking that it's all new, when it's EXACTLY the same as current gen. Cloud saves, user profile, achievements, purchased entertainment from MS including games. Nothing new.

[mkis007]

I think people want Gaikai but don't realize that Microsoft's cloud isn't the same thing.

[NobleRed]

Already bought a Toshiba Hybrid Disc Drive
http://www.amazon.de/Toshib...

[NeoTribe]

To bad I can't read shit on that link...

[NobleRed]

Here's a review:
http://www.tweaktown.com/re...

[Sadist3]

Who the hell has 12 games installed on a system? Get a life. You finish one, delete it from your system. No reason to keep it.

[Codey47]

I have well over 89games downloaded.... have a hell of a lot more installed.

[ABizzel1]

I have over 100 thanks to PS+ and downloadable games I've collected over the years, and Remote play will be best with a good amount of games downloaded to your HDD.

[DigitalRaptor]

Apparently, to you, anyone who acts like a gamer is a sad f*ck with no life.

Maybe you're in the wrong hobby.

[kingPoS]

You know what PS+ is right?

[Trekster_Gamer]

Yeah because everyone should do things like you????

[Bathyj]

Got a Seagate 1tb hybrid in the mail making its way towards me as we speak .
I hope the ps4 is better optimised to make good use of the hybrid than the Ps3 was. Thank god you don't have to stick with the one that comes with it.

[Grimhammer00]

I do wonder though....is caching not technically using the write function on the HDD more frequently? If swapping disks frequently. In my mind that's wear n tear.

I'd much rather install than cache. It also applies to disc vs digital...you have KZ:SF in drive, hence cached...but fire up digital copy of BF4...is BF4 programmed to not cache since it's already on HDD? You'd think so...but I'm a lowly peasant, I don't know?!

Not worried about any of this Nov 15th I'll be knee deep in other's cached avatars! ;)

[OrangePowerz]

Yoshida said that the data would stay on the HDD until you delete it so if you swap discs for games you already played they wouldn`t cache again unless you deleted the cache data before.

[prodg52]

I'm only going digital with games I know for sure I would want to remote play with my Vita. With plus and updates 500GB will go fast.

[OrangePowerz]

well 500GB are not really 500 actual GB of storage.

[HighResHero]

I buy physical copies of games I want to keep in my collection which will free up space.
I don't mind buying digital titles also as long as I don't have to login every time I want to play.
The discs will probably cache while you're playing though anyway.

[1nsomniac]

This is at least 12 full retail games - Not arcade/PSN games.

That's absolutely plenty for a start up console, no one is going to need to replace that for at least a year if even at all!

[Shad0wRunner]

How is this gonna affect people's ISP providers? Downloading games at 50GB a pop is sure to drain some people's download limit. I tried to download an entire tv series from a torrent site once and got an email warning from my ISP provider a few days later...didnt do that again!

So how are we supposed to explain to our service providers that were just downloading games that we bought and paid for?

"Were sorry...you have exceeded your monthly quota. Better luck, next month." LOL

[BLAKHOODe]

I'm not too concerned with my Xbox One's HDD.. I'm going "digital" with Xbox One, but I'm only buying exclusives. So, I should be good for a few years.. after that, I can always delete and re-download the older games.

With PS4, I can just upgrade my HDD. So, no biggie.

[The_Ozymandias]

That headline should read, Xbox One Internal Hard Drive, PS4 Stock Hard Drive Will Fit 12 Full-Sized Games

[MrPops]

So if you use xbox one as a dvr box as well,recording and saving tv shows, you will have even less space for games. My sky+HD box is 500G and is always around 70% full at any given time.

[mydyingparadiselost]

Waiting this long to do the math is sad. This wound up being a huge factor this gen to me considering if you bough a 20g 360 or a 40g ps3 you might as well say your console is not only inferior but barely even usable now in the later end of this gen. It's going to happen this gen as well, file sizes are growing instead shrinking for both indie devs and AAA title makers.
I also don't understand how the WiiU has caught so much flak for asking people to buy a seperate hard drive when these next gen consoles, whether it be now or later on, are pretty much asking you to do the same.

[edwick]

or more than 500 copies of Resogun.

[XxMajeSteRxX]

finally something in common,YAAAAAY :)

[feraldrgn]

How to get past this:

Upgrade your HDD,

Only install the games you plan on playing & finishing,

Delete digital games from your HDD (I'm pretty sure your online purchases stay in your account, so you can just redownload them.)

[Jac5al]

Will a 7200 RPM HDD work on the PS4?

[Sayai jin]

I do not need an external right now. I am only getting 1-2 games for my PS4 and 2 games for my XB!. I don't plan on getting any 3rd party games at launch.

[Npugz7]

Brutal! Guess I'll stick to discs!

[MultiConsoleGamer]

At least you can upgrade the PS4 HDD. I don't want an external HDD attached to my machine.

[AD705]

Yeah if you wanna play games go for internal always. People only use external for backing files up incase something really fucked up and destroyed you're computer. Personally I don't understand why people are throwing a fit over ps4 not supporting external when internal hdds are always much better and much more important than an external.

If i had t choose between switching my internal harddrive over using an external. Internal will always win.

[ALLWRONG]

Poor attempt

[CaulkSlap]

This is why I don't buy full games on digital. Well that and it costs the same or more than a disc copy.

They're just starting at 500GB as a base model to keep costs down and leave options open for a 1-2TB premium model down the road. At least with PS4 you can just replace the hard drive yourself. MS once again screwed their customers in that area.

[urwifeminder]

Only buying console exclusives this gen as I have moved to pc so that should be enough for me.

[worldwidegaming]

Its very simple! They made a deal for the cheapest And fastest (avalibility) they could get.
Most likely at that time 500gb was the sweet spot! Remember sony has to buy a huge amount of
Hard drives and have them ready by a certain amount of time.
Pretty sure they would be delayed getting 1tb or higher drives in time...

[Crazay]

Thanks for the info tips...I'm pretty sure we can all do the math from an approximate Bluray install size divided by 500GB.

***Facepalm****

[cyclindk]

Think a 3 TB is going to be pretty much mandatory as the minimum for anyone wanting to have any kind of really substantial downloadable library of games, not to mention movies and other media, applications and so on.

And then of course disc-based game installs as well.

[purp13m0nk3y]

I think everyone has forgotten this news?

http://www.thesixthaxis.com...

You don't really need a huge drive, games will just cache data as required. No need for huge permanent installs. If this works well a 500Gb drive will be more than enough.

[purp13m0nk3y]

Unless you want to go all digital I suppose. Then well you'll just be "inclined helically around an axis" I suppose lol

[kingPoS]

The best thing about 2.5 HDD's. Is that if for whatever reason it does break down (such as falling on it's side mid-gameplay) you can just replace it provided you've made the backup first.

If it goes bad, just replace it. that's why they're modular

Easy Peasy.

[KingKevo]

Wow, did it really take them almost 5 months to do the maths?!?! I mean, is this really NEWs?! I guess a lot of people on here will be shocked to hear that, cause no one saw that coming AT ALL!! /s

N4G is such a fun place sometimes :D

[iiorestesii]

Im waiting a year for the 1.5tb sshd to come down.

[bromtown]

It's a bit disappointing but as loads have said you can replace the HDD in the PS4 and eventually MS will have a solution since you can't replace the XB1 HDD.

Either way though, the games install as you play supposedly, so you're not going to be sat waiting for 3 hours as a 45GB game installs itself on your hard drive. So theoretically, so long as you have 50GB free you can play as many games as you want.

[Jamaicangmr]

That's cool i'm still gonna buy a 1TB and do a day one swap anyway.

[Dorwrath]

LOL I've never kept more than one or two games on my 360. I play and remove when done. I may keep one that I play a lot of MP with but thats about it.

I certainly won't have 12 games installed at the same time lol