1080p Is Clearly Better Than 720p, But Why Is The Media Downplaying It?

Gameranx: "It's simple math, and yet many in the media are attempting to downplay the differences between 1080p and 720p. Why is that?"

[xHeavYx]

I think it's only fans who downplay it. I remember back in the day when everybody talked about how good COD looks on the 360, the superior master ultra version... Now that tables have turned, all of the sudden graphics don't matter anymore

[Grown Folks Talk]

That's funny. When PS2 had the weakest specs out of the 3, graphics didn't matter then either.

[Xsilver]

PS2 had each and every single game dufaq you talking about when you say lower graphics :/.

Edit: @VENOMACR
how may times do we have to keep saying this Yes the PS3 was stronger than the 360 but the 360 shined because the PS3 cell processor was hard to use now the difference with PS4 is its more powerful and the easiest to use so i don't see your point?

[VENOMACR1227]

@Heavy

I think its Sony fanboys (yourself) who are blowing it out of proportion. Play BF4 on 1080 and 720. The difference will be minor, something you wont pay much attention to when your running around with 64 players and things are blowing up around you. Not going to stop and say "man, that debris falling looks much better in 1080." PS4 is more powerful. Just like the PS3 was more powerful. But the 360 and PS3 versions looked nearly identical. I don't know how anyone can look at both version and go "wow, PS4 looks way superior and better." Both look amazing with the PS4 having slightly better graphics when images are compared side by side. When your running for your life, it won't matter.

[KingOdin89]

@Veno

It'll matter when that sharp jaggy bullet pierces your player, causing massive damage.

[scott182]

It's funny how 720p vs 1080p and 720p vs 900p is a small difference. It's almost comical to hear at this point. Last gen there were tiny, tiny differences in resolution favoring the 360 on multiplats a lot of times and that was HUGE ammo for people back then.

[MysticStrummer]

@Venoma - Much was made of smaller differences this generation, but I guess it was ok then because 360 had the multi plat advantage. Whether it's noticeable or not, and if you're being honest it is noticeable, the differences are there and are evidence of the power gap we've read about since the specs started coming out.

[AlexanderNevermind]

We will know for sure when the X1 games hit the streets on 11-22-2013. The truth will be told MS won't be able to buy their way out of it. That being said being a PlayStation gamer since the original, I honestly didn't care about if the Xbox graphics (or the PS) were better. Didn't even care if they got DLC 1st. I only worried if (see Skyrim), the game experience was better. When I wanted the best graphics I would buy the game on PC (see Skyrim) anyway.

Of course I pick on the Xbots for fun when their down (COD 720p for next gen...lol) but its all just for shyts and giggles.

[Death]

I'm fairly certain the same people that made a big deal of the differance last gen are the same making a big deal this gen. Let's face it, it was the PS fans that bragged about the super powerful PS3 and how it trounced the 360. Sure, a couple Xbox fans may have pointed and laughed when the Xbox 360 version was better on the inferior console. Fast forward to today and that same select and chosen few are waving the superiority flag again. Here's the thing. No one really cares. That is why we see the same articles saying the same thing over and over and over again. You guys are seeking validation for your claims. No one cares.

Think about it. If it trully mattered, don't you think everyone would simply pay less and get a PS4? It's not like you guys were born into this exclusive club. It costs $399 and is available to anyone. Get over yourselves. No one cares.

[Godhimself_In_3d]

it did but lets agree on the truth shall we nintendo had poor poor 3rd party support fact. gamecube disk had space issues fact gamecube.xbox was just starting out fact.sonys ps2 was already out fact and had crazy momentum behind it fact.xbox ran games better and looked better fact but not enough to sway ppl away.most ppl would just say hey it looks better but not by that much and i can get the game on the system i have already fact. dreamcast had a lot of problems it was great but not a lot of 3rd party support fact. there games scratched way to easy fact. specs and resolution matters now because there launching a week apart in the same year no year for headstart for Sony like the ps2 or Microsoft with xbox 360 no dropping the price on your rivals release date nothing. its fair this time around. i don't care im getting both day one but to be up here lying because you can probably only by one and need to justify your purchase is simply sad.if Sony wins or Microsoft wins what do you get lol.

[Angels3785]

Plus 360 fans said that their version was vastly superior even though it ran at 110p higher...now tat ps4 runs at nearly 50% higher the difference is neglegable

[Biggest]

It's not just fans. It's the media. Tech websites like Ars Technica are allowing their writers to produce op-eds that explain why anything about 720p is pointless. All you have to do is back up a few feet and it looks just as good. A tech site that makes their money doing benchmarks and claiming flawless victory for the GPU that pushes one extra pixel. . . 1080p isn't that big a deal anymore. IGN is doing it. Gamespot is doing it. Random internet guys are doing it. It's amazingly bizarre that the PS3 was bashed for being $100 more and slightly "weaker" on multiplats, while being superior on first party games, yet now the Xbone is being coddled for being $100 more expensive and significantly weaker in every facet. Mind boggling.

[gamer2013]

48 idiots disagree with that fact

[CGI-Quality]

Show me a forum full of PS2 fans claiming such and I might give you a little credit. Otherwise, the smoke you're blowing has hit a peak.

[Ch1d0r1]

I was probably playing Rainbow Six on PC, it mattered to me. But the PS2's library was amazing. I even went to the extent of trading my 360 for a PS2 with a ton of games just to catch up. But to each his own. At the end of the day it's if your having fun or not. Even if your wife loves her SD programming, you still lover her very much ;-)

Have a fun day!

[Biggest]

The PS2 was not weak when it was released. It didn't have the Xbox or GameCube to compete with. That argument has to stop. Sony did not release an intentionally weak console. Sony did not release an underpowered console. The other console manufacturers released more powerful consoles after the fact.

[darthv72]

the argument of 1080p vs 720p isnt really much of an argument. Native 1080 is better than upscaled 1080 just as native 720 is better than upscaled 1080.

Its what the developer do within that resolution that should matter. i have seen HD games that are not very fun to play. They are all look and no substance. Just as i have played games that are low res but a hell of allot of fun.

Many seem to think that just because we are getting new gen consoles that everything needs to be new and improved. that isnt always the case. if a developer has found the balance of their game runs better at lower res then so be it.

Just because a game is lower does it make the fun playing that game lower as well? should the next gen of games run at 1080p all the time? It depends on the game but some would say yes.

will there be more games that run 1080p than 720p? That remains to be seen but there is a greater potential for yes over time.

does resolution have any bearing on the fun factor? Not in the least.

Maybe its my experience growing up with gaming since pong that has made me appreciate the creativity and gameplay than the visual fidelity.

I appreciate graphics as much as the next gamer but I dont swear my unholy allegiance to the graphics. i care more about the fun factor and that is something you cant "see".

[Brazz]

well... when you have, in a form "almost unquestionably", the best games of the generation as exclusives ( GTA : Sandreas , GTA III , Kingdon Hearts , god of war , GT , Final fantasy X / XII , etc.). graphics really become secondary .

X- 1 and ps4 , they have a similar level in the quality and quantity of games at this point graphs eventually become important as a differentiator , so it is rather importate see who has the best graphics , but only after you are sure that there some good games on the console .

Ps2 is a case of " almost unquestioned domination " ! The number and amount of games, in my humble opinion , crushed the competition so pitiless . this scenario , graphics are not going to save a console that has less quality titles . ( I dare say that even if we add all titles in Xbox / gamecube / dreamcast still this way , we would have more quality titles on PS2 , but of course this is very subjective and some still prefer the xbox / game cube / dreamcast )

[J-R]

I don't think the media is downplaying this issue at all. I have seen countless articles about the 720p vs 1080p issue.

Graphics matter. If they didn't why buy a next-gen system. For the people who don't care if their version of COD is 1080p then purchase it for your PS3 or 360.

[Hicken]

The problem with your argument, darth, is that the XB1 versions of games aren't getting better textures or anything like that. There's no extra AA getting added in to compensate. It's the same game- if not worse, graphically- in a lower resolution.

Meaning: the console is not (apparently) capable of doing the exact same thing as the PS4 at the exact same resolution. You can try and twist it into a positive as much as you want, but it's simply not true.

It'd be a different story if it were the debate between Drive Club and Forza. There's an argument to be made there(kinda), because it's two different games on the different hardware. But when it's the same game on different, same-generation hardware, the disparity shouldn't be so huge.

And 1080p vs 720p is MASSIVE.

[miyamoto]

That's funny. When PS2 had the weakest specs out of the 3, graphics didn't matter then either."

*ahem

are you intentionally forgetting about the Sega Dreamcast?

OT

better graphics at $100 less

justify the xposed one all you want

[Hellsvacancy]

Funny old world aye, I mean, my tv can output 1080p, I thought the games this gen were supposed to be 1080p etc

I want "next gen" not "next gen: with a little bit of last gen"

[kazuma999]

Lol if the games were 1080p then what then? will we no longer need an upgrade from 1080p. Their is the 4k tv but 15k for it is not worth it.

[falviousuk]

So to you next gen is just more power tp push more pixels, get a powerful PC then.

I want more features, more extras, a proper next gen console that can do a lot of things.

Media consumption is increasing over the internet and these boxes need to do it all. Both consoles have thier own media apps coming, and very welcome they are too.

The ability to switch seamlessly from gaming to watching a film or some tv (if it works as planned and explained) will be excellent. An the bility to do two things at once ala snap mode will be very useful.

To me this is what defines a next gen machine, not jsut a ramp up in specs.

Both machines will have excellent games and both will have turkes.

As far as resolution goes, once devs get to grips with the hardware things will improve, visual fidelity should improve a bit just like it did with the PS3.

And playing on a tv below 40" i beleive will not make a big difference between 1080 an 720 upscaled so im led to believe, though if this is incorrect, i apologise for that.

I only have a 40" and most people gaming will have something similar or less.

[T2]

@falviosuk - no, most of my friends have 50 or 60" tv's now all LED and 1080p, they can be had for 600$ now... I have a 42" and mine is the smallest of most of my friends.
and yes features are also important, but ps4 will have loads of features for less money... Amazingly it will also allow you to switch from movies to games, LOL...
buy both of course if you can but for me the money is best spent on ps4

[Death]

Once again, if next gen to you is simply resolution, hook a PC up to your tv. I have one on mine, but still game more on consoles due to the ease of use and community.

Take a deep breathe PS faithful. Not all PS4 games are 1080p. If you are slamming the Xbox One for having some non 1080p native games, what is your excuse on your chosen platform? Keep in mind both systems are using a hardware upscaler to bump output to 1080p regardless of their native resolution.

[Hellsvacancy]

Next gen isn't not about resolution for me, it's about improvement, I want better then what I had before, if 720 is standard for this gen 1080 "should" be standard for nest gen

Same goes for framerate, I want improvements from what I had before, in all areas

[miyamoto]

PS4 will make the most out of yer HDTV man, good investment to maximize your TV

[Kayant]

@VENOMACR1227

You can say that but you will notice the difference in AA. As someone who didn't know that much about AA until now seeing PC/PS4 BF4 footage & XB1 footage I can notice the jaggies on XB1. That part is not changing and is noticeable.

[Gazondaily]

Who is downplaying anything? This whole resolution 'debate' (if you want to call it that) is widespread.

"Now that tables have turned, all of the sudden graphics don't matter anymore"

Says who? Stop making stuff up. It does matter and that's obvious considering just how big this news is.

Gameranx makes a sweeping statement that the media is downplaying it and you eat it up? Learn to think for yourself Heavy.

@Gameranx...if you're going to make this kind of headline, at least provide concrete evidence for your assertions. Don't just make a sweeping statement and then point at 'some gamers, especially on reddit'.

[xHeavYx]

I'm not sure you got my comment (the one you quoted)
What I meant is that people who used to talk about how good COD looked on the 360 and how bad it looked on the PS3 are the ones saying that graphics don't matter anymore. I didn't say that graphics don't matter anymore

[Drekken]

Come on Septic, you are smarter than that. Look at the Edge article from yesterday trying to downplay it. I have seen a bunch of xbox fans talk about how graphics aren't as important as fun. Well how about BOTH? What about the last 8 years of listening to the BS about PS3 multiplats not having grass in a spot the 360 had grass? Or load times faster... or less pixels? It all mattered this gen.

Now? Now that their beloved box doesn't push 1080p and is clearly inferior from a power perspective... it doesn't matter. They can take that hypocritical crap somewhere else. Call it tin foil hats or whatever you want... I see it clearly and so does anyone else without horse blinders on.

[Gazondaily]

@both you guys above

Heavy- actually, I apologise. I jumped the gun in my comment. You are right when you said "I think it's only fans who downplay it."

How I missed that (it was the first line of your sentence ffs) I do not know so again, my sincere apologies.

I agree, some fans are desperately trying to downplay it but they just look ridiculous. I think the masses agree that the resolution disparity is definitely worthy of note, especially as far as COD is concerned.

@Drekken

I haven't seen the Edge article but if what you say is true, then you should have written this article for Gameranx because the article makes no mention of it and vaguely mentions reddit. Can you link the Edge article please?

[Biggest]

Hello, Septic. I apologize for your broken internet. Somehow you missed the articles posted on N4G on the subject. I will do my best to operate the internet for you:

http://arstechnica.com/gami...

http://www.edge-online.com/...

http://www.tomshardware.com...

http://www.extremetech.com/...

Notice how the difference is "subtle" or "minimal" or even "if anything, the Xbone looks better because it pops." This is coming from websites that claim decisive victory for games that end up with a frame better or a literal handful of pixels higher. Stupidity at its most obviously compensated.

[Gazondaily]

@Biggest

Right Mr. Operator. Let's see where you're taking me:

1) Arstechnica: I don't see anything wrong in their article.

Firstly, they are right in what they say:

"Resolution aside, the games look practically identical, with similar textures, apparent polygon counts, frame rates, and particle effects (like smoke)."

Tell me how they are wrong?

2) Edge article- a very good read and its more of a commentary of the schoolyard-type fanboy rivarly more than a comprehensive argument about the resolution wars. Did you read the article? Please mention where there is any substantive content attempting to 'downplay' the resolution disparity issue? Have we now switched roles? I feel like I'm the operator here.

3) Tomshardware- they acknowledge that the PS4 has the technical lead but rightly make point to the 900p resolution diluting the so-called 'victory'. Is this really downplaying the disparity?

4) Extremetech- whilst I don't agree with the nature in which they made their statements, they are actually relying on Digital Foundry's assessment. They still recognise the PS4's lead.

From the way you were ranting, I was expecting a stronger 'downplaying' of the resolution debate but alas, it was nothing of the sort.

Thanks for offering your services as the Internet's operator. However, you're more akin to the lollipop woman but I'm the one that can read between the lines of the zebra crossing.

[Biggest]

Septic says: Who is downplaying anything?

Septic quotes: Resolution aside, the games look practically identical, with similar textures, apparent polygon counts, frame rates, and particle effects (like smoke).

From EDGE: A slight difference between two versions of the same game is all NeoGAF needs – there are countless threads on the web’s biggest games forum comparing the different versions of Battlefield 4 and Call Of Duty: Ghosts already.

From Tom's Hardware (and holy crap they do benchmarking as well!!!): The PlayStation 4 will have slightly better looking graphics than the Xbox One at launch.

From Extremetech: So, if you’re torn between which version of BF4 to pick up, though the PS4 version performs a little better, the choice should come down to which console’s controller you prefer

I ask you, Septic, what do you think downplay means?
down·play
ˈdounˌplā/Submit
verb
1.
make (something) appear less important than it really is.

If resolution and graphic fidelity are not important to video games, and the tech sites listed here have never used graphic fidelity to claim a victor in game comparisons I am wrong. If they are, and the tech sites listed here have in the past used graphic fidelity to claim a victor in game comparisons, I am very right.

[s8anicslayer]

What's really a kicker is way back when Ghosts was announced people from Microsofts or IW's camp said that the game was made utilizing the X1's hardware implying that it was the superior version being it was made for that one first. http://www.oxm.co.uk/60480/... (check out the link) Now, the excuse we get today is that "clearly IW didn't have enough dev time with the X1 cause MS sent out their dev kits late, so that's why it looks inferior"..smh! If it was made on X1 first wouldn't it mean that they had more time with the X1? Now I just saw a post that MS didn't allow them to make the game 1080p??WTF http://n4g.com/news/1384966... I know it's only a rumor but come now, enough smoke and mirrors.

[GW212]

Well I think you know that, in my case, the tables turned and the graphics still matter. So I did the reasonable thing and went with what I believe to be the best experience (PS4).

[Mr Pumblechook]

Good article. Some of the industry is corrupt.

[stuna1]

Boy I'll tell you, if this was a court of law, most of the people on here would have been put in jail for perjury! Like you said xHeavyx, graphics in General has been the biggest talking point this generation. At every turn has been that the Xbox 360 was literally stomping the PS3 in resolution, graphics, frame rate, draw distance! Whatever that could be used for the Xbox 360 to wave the flag of victory, but now that it seems that that cycle is about to be broken this coming generation, we have those denying that the pointed out issues of the PS3 were never really issues after all.

The sadness of the situation has been that Microsoft proliferated a lot of the fighting going on between the fans of their respective consoles that they support! This of course doesn't excuse the more rabid fans! You know who you are! But for those who are being taken advantage of through the lies, and deceit, I truly feel for them.

[JasonKCK]

What media? Because all I see are fan blogs.

[JackISbacK]

yeah the graphics does not matter that much until the game looks same and gorgious on all platforms we all will have fun with our respective consoles ,now have fun.

[TheGrimReaper0011]

I personally dont care. I mean, graphics are nice and all, but if the gameplay is good, great graphics are like the cherry on top.
Now that you mention it though, that really bothers me
Xbox fans were laughing how ps3 had the lesser versions of a multiplat game (with some exceptions)
Now its the other way around, so Playstation fans make fun of the xbox and are labeled fanboys?!
I am really curious to see how next gen will turn out

[MorePowerOfGreen]

No one is downplaying anything. No one has seen both versions yet. 1080p is better in games only if nothing was sacrificed to achieve that resolution. Sony maybe forced to use the highest resolution possible due to PS4's inferior scaler. When games get more graphically advanced and 1080p get harder PS4 will suffer being forced to try to get naturally high resolutions.

People can't forget the XB1 version of games are also running more advanced social and kinect features with these games that also use system resources.

[Deividas]

Why would you use a scaler when you can naturally hit 1080p?

Why do you all keep trying to find excuses to validate the $500 purchase....BE PISSED OFF instead of defending MS...Its understandable to be pissed off at all this...

[ziggurcat]

Are you seriously trying to argue that native 1080p is inferior to upscaled 1080p!?!?

Wow...

[MysticStrummer]

Yeah I've seen several delusional people make that argument.

[wenaldy]

You just met a delusional xbot aka greenpowerz.

[Drekken]

This has got to be MS's idea. They have released the shills to try to play this angle. Its really pathetic and makes anyone saying it look stupid as hell.

[Ron_Danger]

The thing that people don't seem to realize yet, is that if the PS4 can output a launch game natively at 1080p and the XBox One is doing it at 720p upscaled, what's gonna happen down the road when games become more complex and are outputted on the PS4 at 720p? Does that mean then that we're going to see another Halo Reach situation where the XBox One will have to run games at sub 720 and upscale them?

Both systems are powerful no doubt, but if one runs a game at a higher resolution, don't blame the game programmers for it. Blame the console maker for not lending a hand to the programmers.

Early last gen, the PS3 struggled because it was so different than the 360 and PC, but Sony would send programmers from SSM and Naughty Dog to 3rd party devs to help sort out issues. If Microsoft isn't willing to help 3rd party devs program their games more efficiently (and instead use the cash to advertise), then guess who's fault it is.

[medman]

Hahahaha...can you believe this guy? Trying to justify paying more for a system that will offer lesser visual fidelity. Hahahahah.. good luck son. You're going to need it.

[kingdip90]

People would have rather had those system resources used on better looking games than those kinect and social features.

Microsoft miscalculated

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

^The realest comment i've read all day.

[BadlyPackedKeebab]

This scaler thing is a bit of a smoke and mirrors.

On ps3 with my 1080p tv, when I launch into a game I get a little notification on the TV saying it has gone to a 720p source. The TV is then doing the scaling up to 1080p. This has never been an issue before so I dont see why people are clinging to this idea that a hardware scaler in the Xbox One is some magic bullet.

[Sci0n]

I keep on seeing xbot fanboys say bu bu but the scaler, DX and the power of the cloud will make multiplats shine the brightest on the xbox done. Its quite comical and sad at the sametime.

[Drekken]

Here we go with 8 years of excuses worse than the last 8. I hope that MS paycheck is worth it because you really sound desperate.

[pyramidshead]

lol it's come down to the secret sauce scaler.

Also that's true if you're still using the Digital Foundry comparisons to make judgement, but with every other person who did direct capture...then nope. :).

[bicfitness]

Really? You're onto this scaler nonsense? You realize both the PS4 and X1 use the SAME basic scaler technology as their AMD 7X derivatives, don't you? First it was the cloud, then it was the secret dGPU, now its the magic of a scaler?

I'd ask you to stop, but your posts are pure comedy. They always bring a smile to my face.

P.S. Upscaling always looks worse. Always. That's the cost of stretching an image and interpolating data.

[neocores]

Just like when you ran a ps2 game on a fat ps3 backwards look like shit

[DoesUs]

@Green. OH...MY...GOD!

You utter idiot. You know what, i don't even think you are a shill, even after all these years. You are just...well, words fail me. This generation is going to be all tears for you my friend.

[bicfitness]

After almost a decade of the US+UK media fawning over MS, it will take a while for the paradigm shift.

Gamer-centric + more powerful + cheaper price tag = better than a TV box that also plays games.

MS only ever cared about gaming as a means to an end, and its hilarious that after their initial "vision" was revealed and the countless 180s that any reasonable person would still hold them in any esteem let alone pay more for less.

But there's no separating fanboys from logic, so the X1 will still sell to its base. I don't think that base is as large as MS is banking on though.

[Grown Folks Talk]

Reasonable people could think for themselves & determine whether or not the original vision impacted them. Which it wouldn't have for the majority of complainers.

[BattleTorn]

I went to an Xbox One Kiosk yesterday, to voice my great displeasure at all the recent resolution news.

The guy had no clue what I was talking about. He had no idea that BF4 and CODG are lower resolutions on X1.

At one point I was talking about the PS4 demo, and he had to ask what "Knack" was, and even after describing it - he said he had never heard of it.

How can he be marketing for Xbox and not know the competitor's launch software?!

[Belking]

It all depends on your viewing device. It's better but not a huge jump in visuals. Going from 30 FPS to 60FPS is more noticeable.

[Drekken]

BS. People are buying 1080p TV's and they want 1080p visuals. Not blurry upscaled crap like MS is trying to sell us.

[DeadIIIRed]

Power lines and other distant objects is where 1080p matters. Go watch the demo of the driving sequence from BF4 single player when they pass under the power lines on the Xbone, the PS4, and then the PC. Jagged power lines and distant buildings are my biggest graphical peeve.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

I thought I was the only one who noticed the distant building showing up in quite literally blocks of walls. Looked so freaking bad. I'm sorry, BF4 can be the best looking shooter, it still looks average on everything IMO(this includes PC, I mean have you LOOKED at the water...eww)

[Xsilver]

I bought a 1080p TV for Next Gen so it would be disappointing if these consoles cant do 1080p tbh :/

[StillGray]

Bingo. That's the gist of my argument here. I think it does everyone a disservice to say 1080p isn't a big deal because to the consumer, it clearly is a big deal.

[Xsilver]

yesssssssssss

[n4rc]

Good thing any image that 1080 set displays is 1080.. Lol

[Drekken]

Read a book or something. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

[n4rc]

Lol... Nice try.. You obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about..

A 1080p TV has 1080 physical lines of resolution.. They don't magically disappear... All images are scaled to the native resolution of the TV.. Either by the cable box, console or tv itself

[BadlyPackedKeebab]

I did screen grabs of 1080 and 720 under the same settings and then scaled up the 720 to 1080 on the PC right back when the consoles were announced and we were talking about what the power difference might mean. There is a real difference and yes it wont ruin the game and all that but also a skoda will get you and your date out for dinner just as well as a lambo but why take the skoda when you have a choice of a lambo.

[MasterCornholio]

Same here except in my case its a 1080P computer monitor. After seeing 1080P direct feed footage of Killzone Shadowfall I can say that the game would look incredible on my screen.

Nexus 7 2013

[T2]

I bought a 1080p tv like 5 years ago and you can damn sure I was already pissed last gen by the lack of 1080p titles...

[sigfredod]

Is plain and simple, if the same game is available in two version one at 720p and 1080p, obiously i will preffer the best one, so if you have the choice is easy if you only are getting one console, just use the pros and cons to decide, i must add that a save of $100 for the best specs and best performance is a very good sweet deal

[T2]

good point I didn't even think of that i mean the games cost the same, why wouldn't you get the better version?

[boeso]

If you follow the fanboyism and the articles and the spinning it all boils down to:

$mon€y

[Whitey2k]

it depends how much time these companies take on each console for x1 it is weaker even with full esram I mean specs also do play there part aswell with ps4 having 32 rops why x1 is using 16 Rops, ps4 has 8 Aces and x1 is using 4/2 and the steam processes is 768 on x1 prepared to 1152 for ps4 since. yeah I do agree both would manage 1080p but with them low specs on the x1 I don't c y it cant atleast do max of 900p

[n4rc]

Because we aren't playing a number..

And I dont think anyone argues 720 is better then 1080..

But if ms has a superior scaler and can damn near equal the native 1080.. Then what difference does it make how they do it?

Nitpicking is pointless... It may make you feel better but its irrelevant in the real world.. When you are ripping around a track or trying to stay alive as 32 people or 1000 zombies chase you.. You aren't going to notice these differences

[Grown Folks Talk]

Because even if the end result is the same, people want what they consider the better path to said result. Like with deformity. Actual deformity vs the illusion of deformity. My eye sees it the same way, so I don't give a damn if it's real or simulated. Is the game fun?

[Campy da Camper]

OK so since all cars get you from point A to point B you are saying you will spend more money on a Honda Accord rather than buy a Ferarri that is a little cheaper because "what matters is I'm able to drive"?

[Biggest]

Of course the Xbone fans will say that, Campy da Camper. They will say it and they will make themselves believe it. They will also pop into EVERY "OMG STUNNING" article they find about Xbone and pretend that what they're seeing is actually stunning. They don't care that it's 720p or any kind of p. They just want their Xbone.

[devwan]

denial.

[Grown Folks Talk]

I've never once sat playing a multiplat game & wondered if a bush on the other console looked better. If it has multiplayer, I'll buy it on the system my friends have. If it's single player, I'll buy it for the one with the controller better suited for it.

[quenomamen]

My wallet will feel the difference, Xbone go home.

[medman]

Hmm..would I rather have a 1080p capable television or a 720p capable television. Hmm..is that really a choice? Is PS4 vs. Xbone really a choice? Not for the sane among us. I already have an A/V receiver and smart tv that give me more control over my system than anything the Xbone can offer. I care about the games. And you tell me one system costs less while offering significantly more power, and the best first party game developers on the planet? Game over kids. Game over.

[TheGrimReaper0011]

http://www.peachpundit.com/...

[yarbie1000]

Because people are looking at the side-by-side comparisons of games like BF and walking away saying XB has better looking textures up close even though it is a lower resolution.

The PS4 looks better when you see text on screen - and I think ultimately it will probably look better. Right now there is too much blur. Either way

- there is not one version that is anywhere near being even a 50% or 20% increase in quality.

Both games are gonna look great - a resolution doesn't make a game anymore or less enjoyable.

1080P should be the standard however I feel - but when it comes to launch titles - and knowing that problems have come up with devs receiving optimization tools late. I think the resolutions on launch titles are a lot less important than what they will be say 6 months from now.

[TechMech2]

Xbox fanboys are trying to make themselves feel better by saying it doesn't matter, that's what fanboys do for all sides.

[mhunterjr]

I don't think the media is downplaying it, I just don't think it's as significant as some other issues. A game at 720p isn't necessarily going to be less fun than one at 1080p. Graphics matter, but frame rate, geometry, effects, and artwork matter more than the difference between 720p and 1080p

If a year down the road, xb1 games still aren't getting to 1080p, I'd say this will be a bigger issue.

But right now, If someone has both consoles, obviously the ps4 version would be the easy choice. But someone who has only an xb1 is still going to have fun with the game.

[Valkyre]

do people know what 1080p means??

I see so many comments from people who are completely CLUELESS as to what the real difference between 720p and 1080p is...

hint: 1080p is more than DOUBLE the 720p resolution...

do you people who say "meh its not a huge difference, most wont be able to see it" actually know math?

Here is a problem for you:

Do the following multiplications:

a) 1280 x 720 = ?

b) 1920 x 1080 = ?

once you have the results, go and cry in a corner convincing yourself that nobody is going to even notice the 1,000,000+ pixels more that 1080p res offers...

And if 720p is just fine, then hell... why dont you go play at 480p? I mean its not such a big deal right?? we can always... upscale... LMAO!

Delusional is an understatement for some folks...

[Grown Folks Talk]

Everybody doesn't care. I have HD cable, yet my wife still turns to the SD version of channels. Not every person who plays games gives a damn about resolution. I picked up BF4 for 360 the other day. it looks pretty good as is. Both the PS4 & Xbox One versions will look much better. Good enough for me.

[Valkyre]

then you should be playing on Sega Genesis since graphics dont matter at all and since resolution is also meaningless...

[WorldGamer]

But the fact that you are in here arguing for the merits of a lower resolution signifies that it isn't "good enough for you."

If you were indeed "cool" with the X1's lower resolution, you wouldn't be on N4G trying to convince people of anything.

GET MAD AT MS, MAKE THEM KNOW THAT THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE.

http://i4.photobucket.com/a...

[medman]

Grown Folks Talk, the only people who would choose to watch standard def over high def are those with eyeglass lenses the thickness of a telephone book. If you can't see, I guess it doesn't matter. But if you have a functional set of retinas, it matters. Case closed.

[svoulis]

Here ya go. I agree with you.

http://tinyurl.com/lderhog

Made that yesterday. on PC Black Ops II. All settings maxed out, nothing changed but FOV and Resolution.

[quenomamen]

There you go dropping that math, you know people round here got a problem with numbers !

[BadlyPackedKeebab]

I can see after this 720p business MS will push for 1080 running at a lower setting to compensate.

[wenaldy]

Not downplaying, they conform themshelves and turning into apologists toward M$. What kind of sorcery is this?

[Z501]

Drekken said: " Look at the Edge article from yesterday trying to downplay it. I have seen a bunch of xbox fans talk about how graphics aren't as important as fun. Well how about BOTH? What about the last 8 years of listening to the BS about PS3 multiplats not having grass in a spot the 360 had grass? Or load times faster... or less pixels? It all mattered this gen"

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS!

[spektical]

Its a huge difference, and fanboys and the media downplaying it is a joke, and shows how far gaming journalism has fallen.

when MP looked better on the 360 you were sure to know the "huge" differences between the 360/ps3. Now that SONY has the upperhand in mp games, it doesnt matter.

[Godhimself_In_3d]

I totally agree im however disappointed in the both of them and 1080p is a big deal.To the ppl saying its not why upgrade? 1) why did you by a 1080p tv over a cheaper 720p. 2) if upscaling is just as good or better why are you buying more blurays that cost more then dvd of the same price if there good enough.3) lie if you want but the games that are cross gen show no signs of gameplay enhancements from current gen so why upgrade because the only differenc right now are graphics point blank. some offer higher player counts but that's all. 4) a cheaper console should not out perform a more expensive one. im going playstation but they don't get a pass because. 600$ and 360 out performed them i game on both blame the cell all you want no sympathy from me. personally im pissed because my new 4k tv wont be pushed yet pc guys calm down i don't wanna play pc graphics are better but you guys have dirty laundry to. hackers/driver updates/the next game is to strong for you hardware the list goes on.

[jmac53]

It's not just simple math, it's also perception. Some people just have bad eyes and can't tell the difference. I will agree that the media is downplaying it. Maybe they are just rooting for the underdog because MS had taken a horrific beating the last 6 months.

[Valkyre]

no media was downplaying it when PS3 was released and was crucified by the media for being hard to develop for as well as by all these bots out there who suddenly go on record to say that all of a sudden, "graphics dont matter, and resolution aint a big deal" those same folks who were bashing ps3 when COD was sub 720p...

A difference much smaller than the one we have now between 720p and 1080p.

But hey... it doesnt matter. Next up we are going to hear that 480p was always fine, we never did actually had to go through all that HD nonsense....

hypocricy at its finest!

[EXVirtual]

It's a huge difference and the gap is only going to become wider throughout the gen.
I have a 1080p TV and I got it mainly because of next-gen games. So I'm glad that the PS4 will be doing 1080p native games.
It's funny actually. These xbots were talking about the DGPU and 4k a while ago and now, 1080p upscaled is apparently better than 1080p native.

[DevilishSix]

I know how sad, xbox fans even loyal fans should be raw at MS. Eight years of waiting and this puppy is whats crapped out. There is no excuse, non.

[bitboi]

More than half the people who own a PS3 or Xbox360 would not be able to tell the difference between a game running in 1080p or 720p. The reason why it's downplayed is because it's a non factor to the general gaming public.

[quenomamen]

Yea and the majority of people can't tell the difference between a Cat Turd and Tootsie Roll, I'll take the Tootsie Roll and the $100 savings.

[bitboi]

Folks can disagree all they want, but it's still true ;)

[kingPoS]

Lets say the Xbox One is an '00 mustang gt coupe and the PS4 is a '00 mustang svt cobra r. From a spec standpoint one could argue the other is better because it has built in AC and radio (kinect & tv). For those who bought the Cobra, they knew it didn't have either of those conveniences. Those people bought it to drive fast.

Sorry to throw cars into the mix, but it seemed a fitting comparison.

[gamerstation151]

Thank goodness we finally had this article. Yes resolution isn't everything, but this shouldn't be downplayed as much as it has been.

[i3eyond the Circle]

Its downplayed because with these certain games at hand there is no noticeable game breaking visual difference.

There won't be a chance either

[Mithan]

It's downplayed because it doesn't matter for certain situations, but why argue.

[i8urCAKE]

xbox one is bullshit this is next gen for fuck sake 1080p should be the standard. "" games aren't just about the graphics"" yea well the main thing about next gen is the graphics so i expect that games would be 1080p 4>1

[DevilishSix]

The gaming media bias towards Microsoft reminds me of the coverups the media is constantly doing for Obama.

We are living in a 1930's style German state right now in the US people, wake the **** up.

[quenomamen]

Thanx Rush, u kick that Oxy habit yet ?

[DevilishSix]

Rush, who's rush?

[Ch1d0r1]

I see the difference from a 720p YIFY movie vs a 1080p YIFY movie, if you know what i mean ;-)

[gamer2013]

I don't get why people are still going on about the PS3 being more powerful than the 360. It had poorly allocated ram and inferior GPU. Bu bu bu.. Uncharted! God of War! Yeah they could have been done on the 360 every bit as good. Facking morons.

[Gore-Content]

Finally, someone said it out loud. It's because of M$, duh. If it was the other way around, it would be hell for Sony! Remember back around 2006? They were at a similar position M$ are at now.

[Sadist3]

Because no one cares. Only a minority are on this whole resolution thing. I've been playing games since the 80's and not one of them were in 1080p, yet they were still fun. It's the gameplay that matters, not the resolution. It'll be different if the difference between 1080p and 720p was as big as the difference between HD and non HD video, but it isn't. The difference between 1080 and 720 is so minor that the only way to tell them apart is to put them side by side. Guess what, that's not a big difference if you need to put something side by side and say "look, that line is darker on the 1080p one. That actually sounds kind of ridiculous. So until 1080p becomes distinguishable from 720p where you can tell the difference without putting them side by side, no one will really care, except the small minority that wants to justify their purchase.

[UnHoly_One]

What's funny to me is everyone is hammering on the XB1 constantly with all these terrible rumors, but nobody is putting them all together.

What I mean by that is this:

Supposedly the XB1 OS is still having issues, and they are having problems with some drivers, especially concerning the ESRAM, yes?

And now there are all the 720p rumors everywhere.

But nobody is putting these two things together.

Everyone is acting as if a couple launch games running at 720p means that is all any games are going to run at for the life of the Box. But if all of these rumors are to be believed, then it's probably just related to the driver issues and it should improve over time, yes?

I don't know, maybe I'm nuts, but if all of these rumors are to be believed, then that's how I'm interpreting it.

[urwifeminder]

Cause the media have wicked pc action been doing that for years.

[akurtz]

$400 well spent :)

[BobBelcher]

Casuals don't care about that kinda crap. They just play games and casuals are more abundant than 'core' gamers. God... It seems like its better to be a casual than a core gamer.

[hello12]

I don't think the media is downplaying, because it could be a launch issue whether than a hardware problem with the xb1. If games can't get 1080p in 2015 to 2016. Then Microsoft fucked up.

[ATi_Elite]

Why is the Media downplaying it?

Because they are STUPID or Microsoft is paying them to!

same reason consolers downplayed 1080p last gen when they realized their dream machines could NOT achieve 1080p Gaming.

1080p is SHARPER, CLEARER, and has a higher fidelity of DETAIL than 720p. Also 1080p requires LESS AA than 720p. It's a big difference between the two and even watching live sports you can see the difference between 720 and 1080.

Switch to 1200p or 1440p and then 1080p becomes silly. Game at 1600p and even your local movie theater begins looking like CRAP (NOT imax).

4K is gonna blow minds.

[ephoenix6]

Because they're either Xbox fanboys, or Microsoft is paying them to

[DialgaMarine]

The media is downplaying it because a lot of the media we see is either owned by M$ or affiliated in some way. It's reviewers are STILL being embargoed to review the console or it's games. M$ knows the console's sheer inferiority, and doesn't want people to find until they've already blown $500 + on a product, which they're probably going to regret purchasing. Notice how even their own PR refuses to actually say anything, but gives us more "The truth will be revealed" or "Teh Cloud!!!" bullsh*t...

[iiorestesii]

This over hyped "console war" is the fallout of the spoiling MS graced and made weaklings of its heard with. The satisfied gloaters who enjoy a game all the more when they know it can only be played on the system their using all in the name of dollars and control. Thats whats going on in the media. No one wants to hurt these spoiled babies feelings. My point being: I Cant Say One Thing Good About The Xbox That Pertains To Video Games Without Using The Word EXCLUSIVE. MS....made a great underdog...then got way too cozy 2013 :(

[kingPoS]

Try watching a bluray movie in 720p and then in 1080p. Unless someone slathers vaseline on your eyes, the difference is rather obvious.

[horndog]

No one is "downplaying " it idiot its just that unless you have a fuquing beast of a display that's bigger than 50" and sit less than 5 feet away from it you can't tell. Don't know the percentage of people in NA thar fall in such category but I imagine its very small.

[Dorwrath]

I don't care the differences are not going to be negligible for the most part and I certainly won't tell counting pixels or holding my magnifying glass up when I'm playing.