New Wii game engine promises PS3 visuals - Quantum3 engine claims to be the most powerful in the industry

High Voltage Software is hoping to change the face of Wii video games, with its new Quantum3 engine, which is claimed to enable Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 visuals on the tiny Wii console.

Quantum3 is the result of 15 years development experience and enables developers to make use of advanced graphical features, including better dynamic bump mapping, light effects, glossing and other visual improvements. Additionally, Quantum3 uses a 16 TEV stage material pipeline that can blend up to 8 separate texture sources.

"The Wii platform is capable of a lot more than what consumers have seen so far. We're hoping to raise a new bar," said High Voltage Software CEO Kerry Ganofsky.

[heyheyhey]

haha good luck with that

[ericnellie]

I've got to agree. I don't believe it, until I see it =)

[NO_PUDding]

Agreed.

If it weren't spamming my post would have been this:

"LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL OLOL"

[solidt12]

Funny, But hey if it was possible think about what this engine could do for the PS3 and 360. You could then in theory have High end PC graphics on a PS3 or 360. But I think they are dreaming.

[sonarus]

lol nice

[duarteq]

Isn't the GPU a limitation for the consoles ?
The engine might be great but it is always limited by the GPU...

[Kirindongo]

LMFAO whats next crysis on wii.

[CaptainHowdy]

"NOW YOU'RE PLAYING WITH POWER"!!!! lol

[rushbd]

yea. i cant believe what people says to sell their things.

[Maddens Raiders]

This is comedy gold. After reading the title I almost blew Cheerios & milk all over my screen. Damn you! 8D

[somethingSQUISHY]

...in 480p? Back to the drawing board, dudes.

[ApocalypseShadow]

with the right devs and the right code.

i used to think games couldn't get any better than atari games,but activision games looked better on the same system(2600).

i used to think games couldn't get any better on NES.but time and time again,nintendo,capcom,konami,e tc., surprised me with sequels with castlevania,contra,mega man and mario.

i'd bet all the gamers in this thread that had a nintendo SNES were floored by donkey kong country's graphics at the time.i sure was.i was trying to figure out how they did that.

same on genesis.how was treasure able to knock out awsome looking games like gunstar heroes?and sega themselves made games that looked as good as the arcade.which shouldn't have been possible with less memory.and games like flashback just had graphics,story,animation,a.i., etc.delphine were wizards to me.

in modern era,capcom made each resident evil game look more real than the last.when i saw the remake on gamecube and resident evil zero,i was floored again.pre-rendered yes.but still holds up to most next gen games.

as for the demo,i think to achieve the visuals,they will have to have smaller areas or be 2D like little big planet.but we'll see.

don't be surprised though if someone does pull a DK country on Wii.and this is coming from a ps3 fan.

megaton.................what up MADDEN?haven't seen you in a while.you slowed up on posting like i have.

[CrazyMystical]

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[iamtehpwn]

Thats pretty foolish of you.
We've been playing at 480i/p for a while, it's not that bad.
In fact, if you look at some Statistics, you'd unpleasantly note that a majority of 360/Ps3 owners are running 480i.

[ion666]

i get to play uncharted on wii.i always said motorstorm looked just the wii offroad game

[SlappyMcTaint]

in their defense: think of what they can do at that lowly 640x480 resolution. Imagine the COD4 engine running at that resolution -you'd have 3x the framerate and way more things going on -at the expense of visual detail...

[Snipes20]

You would see that this guy never promised PS3 visuals. He said (quoted from IGN) "With Conduit, we are trying to make a Wii game that looks like a 360 title." LOOKS not is. I own a Wii this is great news. I also know the Wii can't push nearly as many polygons as the 360 or PS3. I do however know that real time normal and bump mapping can make up for many polygons if used correctly. Until now, devs have said the Wii can't process these effects or use shaders. Unless this is a joke, High Voltage has found a way to do these things on Wii. Two things: One, this is great info for any hardcore gamer; a 3rd party dev actually takes hardcore gaming on the Wii seriously. Two, the magnitude of these effects are not possible in as great amounts as the other two consoles so stop hating if you are.

[jadenkorri]

then could u imagine this on the ps3 or Wii, let alone the psp or DS...be interesting to see..see it to believe it...

[gaffyh]

Lol. OK whatever you say.

[somethingSQUISHY]

I think you completely missed my point. The dev's claim was the ability to achieve PS3-like graphics on the Wii. The problem with that is, the Wii outputs in a maximum resolution of 480p. Comparing that to Uncharted/UT3 running in 720p or GT5: Prologue running in 1080p is like comparing a magic marker drawing to a Pixar CGI animation.

My point being, it's not like 480p doesn't look good, but true-HD is on a whole other level which can't physically be touched by a Wii.

Stop taking facts personally, dude.

[Fishy Fingers]

I'll believe it when I see it.

Also, if these guys can squeeze those visuals out of a Wii, they need to step up to the PS3/360.

[Marcello]

All these so called wonderful effects running at a stunning 480p :/

[perils]

unlucky fishy. now you have to put up with the height of douchebaggery in the zone that dare not speak its name! (whispers) the open zone. good luck!

[BrianC6234]

If they spend a few years on this maybe they can do it. The only problem is the PS3 graphics they'll end up with are the first generation graphics. And the Wii will already be dead and buried. So why bother?

[trikster40]

And it looked barely like a PS2 game. Somebody REALLY needs to quit selling those devs crack. Cocaine is a helluva drug!

[leon76]

Wow, this previous days are rich in REALLY-OUT-OF-THIS-WORLD-STUPI D news!!!
who appove this sh*t!!!!! Now is nintendo@ssfans that are desperate or what!!!!
I just laugh so much with this completly nonsense article, Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!! !!!!!!!!

[Harry190]

for the PS3 and Xbox360 what happens.....they explode because they can't handle it.....

[Hamadzedan]

yes Wii is a Poulshit

[PR0F3TA]

bro its a typo... not PS3 its PSP.

[jtucker78]

...it still looks like a Wii game.

If you look at the preview images of "The Conduit" on youtube, it doesn't really look much better than Metroid 3.

Some screenshots look OK, but there is no way you'd mistake the game for PS3 or 360.

[Bazookajoe_83]

That was funny, i wonder if he´s serious...

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

OMG the PS3 sucks so bad that the Wii is catching up to it.

[Fishy Fingers]

If you read it, you see that they actually imply 360 and PS3. PS3 was probably used in the headline to get more attention as its considered to be the most "powerful" console.

EDIT: Been banned to this zone for a month so I'm gonna have to get used to this s**t.

[Amp]

:)

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

The PS3 still hasn't caught up with the 360.

[Iron Man 2]

Uncharted:Drake's Fortune on PLAYSTATION®3 makes any Xbox 360 game look last-gen:P

Shane Kim will shoot himself in the head the day Nintendo Wii gets next-gen graphics,but have no fear Xbox slaves,that won't be happening any time soon.

$hane

[Marcello]

How did you come to that conclusion ?? by comparing Forza2 with GT5 Prologue i suppose, i bet you think Forza is better looking dont you!!

[Ali_The_Brit]

it ment both consoles, and you do know the wii is still out selling the 360 aswell dont you dumbsh!t?

[heyheyhey]

hmmm, Uncharted much?

Heavenly Sword characters on screen much?

Lair (yes everything side, Lair looks awesome) much? and Lair characters on screen much?

GT5p photo-realistic graphics much? outdoing every racing game on 360

hell, even Motorstorm looks better than most things on the 360

all you've got is Gears

[poos3]

IM HAPPY THEY PROMISED PS3 Visuals as most of their games rachet and clank /uncharted/warhawk/ heavensword all have a cartoony look no real high rezz textures in any of those games so yea i see it possible but can wii achieve 360 capability impossible gears of war 1 makes any ps3 game to date look like toy soldiers

[Vito_corleone]

Fishy etc.. Don't bother, u can't argue with retards =)

[trikster40]

Not even Gears. Unreal Tournament 3 runs on the same engine and runs smoother i.e. no framerate drops like every UE3 engine game on 360.

[xtreampro]

YO 2 WORDS n 1 number(LOL) KILLZONE 2, no game on the garbageBOX has matched that in all it 3 years of bullcrap!.....and dont say the gameplay trailers rendered cus its not n if u do then that just shows how good the graphics are, when it hits the store in september it'll smack Gears 2 flying to freakin MARS!!

[Alcohog]

So now there is magic code that makes hardware more powerful? Amazing!

[MK_Red]

lol, nice joke. If an engine is so powerfull to run PS3 games on Wii then it can run PS4 games on PS3.
And seriously, they should have at least said visuals of original Xbox. Wii's best looking game, Super Mario Galaxy is still way behind average looking 360 and PS3 games in terms of polygon and technical elements (Though artwise, SMG rocks).

[Palodios]

Remember the old urban legend about Team Ninja overusing an xbox dev kit, and it enevitably burst into flames?

[nutjuice]

he's eating the crack

[Sharingan_no_Kakashi]

....that's it...i just doubt the hell out of it.

[OLD MAN]

180 is slowing down and has no games left, and ps3 has been out less than 2 years, 180 is a joke.

[poos3]

guys go and check gears of war inbgame shots and uncharted check at least 10 screeens with ingame hud and you will see uncharted is a joke if your talking graphics but hey i think as most ps3 fans on this site dont owna 360 they are doomed as they have never really seeen good graphics and think uncharted looks great which is a lie gears of war bioshock,mass effect, make uncharted look stale if your talkign about actually pushing polygons not craking the colour lvl to 10 with repeated textures and no deatial to uncharted characters

[hack6464]

LEARN HOW TO MAKE SENSE. GET OFF THAT KUSH!!!

[Douchebaggery]

Well Quake Wars graphics maybe

[meepmoopmeep]

gamers will just love 1-5fps for their games.

[heyheyhey]

"GTA4: The Slideshow Edition"

[DRUDOG]

Can you imagine what Myst would look like!?! Detail unseen since the Saturn version. :P

[thehitman]

It looks possible they dont look amazing and their top notch graphics may look like a game like resistence when it first came out I HIGHLY doubt that they can fit all that detail on a wii disc.

They prove me wrong I may just pick up a wii

[Voiceofreason]

What are you smoking? If they can fit it in a dvd for 360 than it will work on a DVD for Wii. Unless of course you are so misinformed that you think Wii doesnt have a dvd drive.

[calgaryfan13]

You're correct that both the Wii and 360 use DVDs, so hypothetically they can both fit a game that is say, 8 GB in size, but the Wii hardware is far inferior to that of the 360 or PS3, and it cannot output visuals greater than 480p, and therefore no Wii game will ever look even close to that of a 360 or PS3 title. Sure this engine is probably great, but there are these little things you have to get past, they're called hardware limitations. Think what this engine could do on a higher-end console.

[misterssippi]

thing about it is, the wii hardware cannot make HD graphics. Its not built to do it and the technology isnt in the box. So it will never have PS360 visuals.

[PirateThom]

Wii hasn't even surpassed the XBox in terms of visuals, it's a physical impossibility for it to surpass the PS3/360 because the hardware just isn't there.

[zerolinkgannon]

That maybe they're aiming for early ps3 titles...in standard def. Ya know...like a ps3 game on a standard t.v, not H.D. But its the wii, so good luck to them. Least they're trying to tap the wii''s power unlike most devs out there.---Zerolink

[ItsDubC]

The Conduit does look very good, and I will be more than satisfied if it produces graphics on par w/ Doom 3 for the Xbox. Promising PS3 visuals tho has more to do w/ generating hype IMHO, but I remain optimistic. To be honest tho, even if it did succeed in producing graphics comparable to the PS3, ppl would still hate on the Wii.

[Bladestar]

wow... talking about over hipping a product... deying all the rules of physics and electronics... I wonder if they can make the engine work for the Nintendo DS and make the PS3 and the xbox 360 obsolete in terms of graphics...

I understand game engines can use some tricks to improve graphics... but there is only so much you can do... if a game requires 500MB of ram to run even after compression there is nothing a game engine can do...

[jkhan]

Well engine no matter how good, needs a hardware to run on. Now I doubt wii hardware is capable producing ps3 quality gfx. But if something like this could have been achieved by software engine don't you think the market of nvidia or ati would have died?

[Leathersoup]

Unfortunately every game has to be contained in a room the size of the demo or the engine can't handle it. :P

[CNIVEK]

...are just making fools of themselves. I'm sure the rest of the industry is snickering behind their backs, at the lofty, unrealistic claims. This reminds me of some of the tech demos that were shown for the PS2, back at E3 '99....and we all know how THAT turned out. :o

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

I laugh at people who wasted their money on a 360. You could have upgraded your PC w/ that 400$ and it would have smoked an XBOX. Not to mention you could still play Bioshock, Gears, MassEffect, Halo, etc. etc.

In terms of raw power, 360 could never catch up to PS3. PS3 has been used to simulate 2 black holes colliding. Companies use PS3 for its networking capabilities. Folding@home has proven that 10,000 PS3's can process what it takes 250000s PCs to process.

You're just a sheep kid. You jumped on the bandwagon too soon. You thought because Sony didn't come out, guns blazing in the console war that was a sign of weakness. Truth is, Sony doesn't need to waste money fighting a war. They are the sure winner. Now that they finally stopped developing for the PS2 they are focusing on the PS3, and they have a hell of a lot more titles slated for the future than M$.

[rawd]

BUT IF YOU BUY GAYLO YOU GET A COOL HELMET

*ROCK AND ROLL FACE* \m/ \m/

[THUNDERMARE]

Logically, if the gimp machine like Wii can out put graphic comparable to the PS3/360 then that's mean if we use the same engine on the PS3/360 we will get graphic of PS4/720???
Figure it.....

[Voiceofreason]

Considering the PS3 is a gimped console as well I dont really see the problem.

[flambeau]

the 360 is just as gimped.At least all the ps3's have hard drives that are upgradeable.

[SL1M DADDY]

Now we will get another Cooking With Mama that looks as good as Uncharted or Gears? Cooking with Mam never looked better!

[bym051d]

Nice graphics, no AI, no gameplay... no HD.

[Surfman]

yeeeeeeeeah right

[Sir Ken Kutaragi 1]

BEST Joke i've heard all year!!! ;-D
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[rawd]

I owned a Wii before, when it was called a SNES

[Kill Crow]

... has more power under the hood than most african countries and still it can only produce mediocre 360 style graphics this doesn't come at a surprise at all really ...

[Figboy]

been out for going on three years, and the best looking game on the console is *STILL the two year old Gears of War, it doesn't surprise me that this Wii engine could produce something on par with the 360 as well.

see? the pointless, fanboy drivel can flow both ways. open zone is thataway --->

[jtucker78]

I wouldn't be surprised if a PS2 or PSP could achieve Wii graphics.
But a Wii producing 360 or PS3...?

I'd love it to be true, but seriously, my iPhone has better specs than a Wii.

[thewhoopimen]

Hey Killcrow. Have you ever tried programming for a completely new platform where everything you learned in college on computer programming does not necessarily apply? Let me give you a real world analogy. I'm sure you drive a car right? Do you think with your license and training you'd be ready to drive a F-1 McClaren at 200 mph? Why do new owners of Ferraris or Lamborghinis get flown out to Italy for training? Because the fact is that most people given this type of car without proper training would crash it or drive it well under its potential. So the same applies for cell on the PS3. Considering how far they've already come with matching a 3 processor system like the xbox360, and with the games that will be coming this year that certainly surpass 2007 titles, there is some truth to the manufacturer's claim.

[GIJeff]

nah, he hasn't even tried programming. :) But on a more serious note, i have my degree and i know they don't teach much PS3 programming, if any. Most schools are taught by teachers...most teachers are too old to know how to program for the ps3. So everything is theoretical to them too. However, they have been programming on windows based machines for freaking ever...

[Kill Crow]

I am a developer - just not a games developer (I write financial stuff)

My comments were tongue in cheek - jsut to root out "Serious" fannies like Whoopman and Geff ... :-)

But seriously - Sony WAY oversold the potential of the Ps3. I know it's new and Hard to develop for te Cell ... so why choose such a complicated architecture if you're not able to exploit it fully?

You lot also forget that there is still a high learning curve for develping on the 360 compared to older systems - the MAIN curve for both PS3 and 360 is the move to multi-core/CPU systems as opposed to single core. That jump in itself represents probably the largest of all learning curves for this generation. Paralled exectution, Concurrency performance synchronisation etc ... none of these things had been done on any grand scale up until recently.

So on top of any general learning curves Sony go and Add a completely alien archtiecture too. What incentive is there to learn it? If invest in learning it, that's ALL you can do with it - program PS3 and cell. However learning onxbox leaves you with much more general programming experience.

I'll probably get loads of disagrees for saying that ... but it's true.

On paper the PS3 is at least twice as powerfull as the xbox 360. But even now there is not a single game that could be claimed by sony to be much much better than a 360 game. Both systems have EXCELLENT games I know, and both have studios with some really talented programmers, yet both systems are producing games which are remarkably similar given the power differences.

All this talk of someday sony will release something better than ... blah blah blah ... who honestly cares.

Both systems rock and games on both systems are pretty much the same.

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

Now that nintendo is selling like hotcakes, they could easily afford to bankroll a console in the next gen that could be just as powerful as anything MS or Sony has to offer.

Everyone said that even though Wii sells hardware its software that counts, and that is were the Wii would fail. Well, geuss what, Wii still moves double the Software as 360 or PS3(not including PS2 or PSP of course).

If the Wii could keep up this pace it could up the ante with the next wave of consoles and dominate.

[Marcello]

A Wii is just a tweaked Gamecube and the Gamecube was a huge flop but now its a hit ?? the whole damn system is an illusion, ppl think the Wii-mote is cool but its not, its very unprecise, ppl think that the mote will allow you to act a real life moves but it simply doesnt.

Aslong as the Wii is selling like crazy to numbskulls nintendo wont be spending 100`s million on a new machine, why should they ? they are laughing all the way to the bank

[thewhoopimen]

How is a Wii running a PowerPC 750CX (ie a Mac G3 chip) at 729mhz supposed to perform on par with a xbox360 with 3 3.2ghz PowerPC 970s (actually Xenon but similar variant) or a PS3 with the newest Cell? That Wii Chip is at least 3-4 generations behind on a computing basis and a generation in terms of gaming. O_O And the screenshots don't even convince me otherwise.

Edit: You can disagree with me... but have the courtesy to state why I am wrong...

[BWS1982]

I may not disagree or agree (haven't), but I surmise that the old proof is that tech specs don't make the graphics, the dev's do...I agree with you in terms of comparisons, but comparisons are on paper, lets all just wait and see what gets put on the screens.

[BrotherNick]

hehe, I agree that the dude may be overstating, but it's nice that there will be a game on the wii with better graphics.

[tweaker]

In SD resolution, I think there's a possibility.

[jtucker78]

You're funny.

[Hitster]

I can't view the video because of the schools proxy, but If they can make a Wii game look nicer then hey, It sounds good to me.

[Figboy]

but what happens when you begin to implement, i don't know...

PHYSICS
AI
COLLISION DETECTION,
etc

and all those other little things that eat up game memory outside of texture data and map rendering?

i don't know why some folks just don't admit that the Wii is an inferior console to the 360 and PS3 in terms of number crunching.

i've yet to see an X Box 360 game look as good as Heavy Rain, yet alone a WII game. hell, i haven't seen another PS3 GAME that looks as good as Heavy Rain (maybe Killzone 2).

the Wii has advantages in other areas, but graphics is not, and never will be, one of them. why can't we just leave it at that?

[PS360WII]

Well we certainly have heard a lot of PR lately eh? PS3 to late to steal 360 gamers, Epic doesn't want to make Wii games because it won't sell UE3, and High Voltage is making PS3 graphics for the Wii..

Anyway I think we ALL know that basically all Wii games haven't even scratched the surface of what visually it can do. I just need to point out how amazing Ninja Gaiden and Final Fantasy 12 look and can compete with some of these new games and we've still haven't seen those visuals on the Wii yet.

[Snipes20]

It explains what the devs are shooting for. Whoever set this link to this other site is just starting a flame war.

[BWS1982]

Snipes for pointing out the erroneousness of this entire subject (no sarcasm injected), this seems it was just meant to start up a bunch of "Oh yeah, BS! LOL HA HA LOL" etc, etc... Anyone who's thoroughly read the article knows what was really said. Maybe the guy is fluffing his work some, maybe not, but we all know already the Wii lies somewhere in between last gen and this one technically, so for this guy to shoot above the grade on a system that nobody will touch for hardcore gaming he deserves props.

[jtucker78]

I think there are some XBLA games that the Wii might be able to handle.
And Super Rub-a-Dub on the PS3 should be possible.

[GIJeff]

dont think super rub a dub would work on the wii.

[Whoooop]

They are using the PS3's power and visuals as their goal to achieve.

Smart thinking.

:)

[Voiceofreason]

Well you dont want to set your sights on the best console. Better to go for the one thats gimped and held back. That way it is an easier goal to reach

[Kaz Hirai]

I'm sorry, Nintendouche, but your FEEBLE attempt at a games console will NEVER reach the glorious heights of my PerfectionStation 3, AKA, The Beast in Black 'n' Blu!
Any respect King Kaz had for Nintendouche was FLUSHED down the toilet a LONG time ago!

52 days until Judgment day, Nazisoft!

MWAH-HA-HA-HA!!!

[Ri0tSquad]

I hope this was a joke.

[titntin]

That gave me a great laugh I have to say! Looking at this low res pretty last gen tech demo, I found it hard to believe that epope, were trying to suggest this was '360' or PS3 graphics.

If thats the best it can do when its not having to run actual game code (with pysics , AI and numerable other resource hogs)then it really isan't going to blow anyones socks off in a real world game, and to claim its comparable with 360 and PS3 is just laughable.

If its a step up on other WII engines, then its to be applauded, but lets not kid ourselves about what its capable off!!:)

[Jamaicangmr]

I'd file this under the lockness monster and other myths. Bring me video or atleast photo proof and then i'll even bother reading the article.

[Whoooop]

Poor bots are so outnumbered...

The saddest part is that they are trying to fight the inevitable for a console which has basically nothing left in it.

Crappy exclusives from now on, maximized hardware (all games looked the same after Gears 1), Horrendous reliability, halt in sales (most bots already bought the system)...... you name it.

:)

[timmyrulz]

i thought this article was about the wii, not comparing the ps3 to an xbox 360, you say that the 360 has nothing left, yet it has the best games to date, it still has a strong catalogue due out (might not be as many as the ps3 in terms of exclusives but nobody knows how good these games will be until they are actually released and reviewed, i.e lair, folklore,heavenly sword and even rachet and clank to an extent all big flops), the 360 also has a far superior live service, DLC no waiting and second hash multiplats, the 360 is the devs choice, the gamers choice and its an exremley good system

[GiantEnemyCrab]

he is just another butthurt fishhead.

Kojima (the fishhead GOD) says the POS3 is already maxxed out, subpar online service, lack of PSN titles, lack of interest from devs(less betas and demos, crappy multiplatform games), problems with online betas, DRE blu-ray problems, a joke of an install base compared to the 360 and Wii from the once console leader, feature lacking(no XMB, soundtracks, unified gaming system), poor software library. I will stop there.

Since we are suddenly making this into a PS3 vs 360 argument.

[solar]

wonder what Crytek has to say about this :P

[RAM MAGNUMS]

You decide.
Im sure that the wii can get better graphics because I saw a few screenshots of Star Wars the force unleashed for nintendo & thought they were cool for kids & casuals.
Im Hoping Nintendo learns from everyone & Always have a place in video games

[DarkArcani]

Visuals compared to what? Low budget poorly made games (EA)?

If you take the best the 360 and PS3 have to offer, I'm sorry the Wii cannot touch it.

[TheHater]

so according to this guy, the wii is capable of this http://www.gametrailers.com... ?
hmmmmmm.....I for one call Bullsh!t on this guy claims.

[nbsmatambo]

Agreed...

[fox02]

it looks like smash brothers to me. Seriously, have you guys seen Mario Galaxy 2 tech demo??? it looks just like Uncharted! wow

[ItsDubC]

Keep in mind that unlike the PS3/360, the Wii only has to render 480p. So obviously the PS3/360 have the hardware necessary to render games in 1080, but who's to say the Wii is incapable of delivering amazing graphics at 480p?

It's obvious that a lot of ppl commenting are doing so only to make fun of the Wii and therefore will likely not read the article and see the link to the tech demo, so here's the Quantum3 tech demo:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=...

[mistertwoturbo]

You do understand that 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p are all RESOLUTIONS. So when you hear the term "low-resolution" it means that it is a LOWER resolution! Does that click?

So no matter what the Wii is theoretically going to render, it will always be a LOWER RESOLUTION compared to the PS3/360. It will always have LOWER RESOLUTION textures compared to the PS3/360.

Unless the Wii starts to render things in 720p or higher, it will never quite truely reach the same level of visuals as the PS3/360. And we all know that the hardware is not going to be capable to do such a thing.

EDIT: And that video looks like a LOW-RESOLUTION unreal engine. Back in 1995 that is.

[ItsDubC]

No duh. My point still stands. Graphics rendered in 1024x768 can look great to the point of looking similar to those rendered in 1600x1200, and they require less overhead to do so.

Glad to see you are capable of realizing that a video posted on Youtube is low-resolution. Take your condescension elsewhere.

[GIJeff]

Its MUCH easier to run a game in 480 than 1080. And sometimes i wish this whole "hd" thing didnt happen yet...i mean, nobody has problems seeing details on a dvd on a decent standard-def tv..so why is there a need? Now, i'm no fool and i know movies in HD look cleaner than movies in SD. But is the hardware ready to render things in HD? my opinion, no. Not yet. If games looked as nice as standard def DVDs than i would say, "now we need HD games". but since they do not, i dont believe graphics chips are ready. BUT, the tech industry had to make more money in a slowing market, so out came HD. hurray.

[thewhoopimen]

That may be true considering that 480p is 1/3 the resolution of 720p (which is what most 360/PS3 games run at.) That ratio would still require a Broadway chip at running 3.2 ghz which the Wii does not have either (729Mhz). (i'm taking 1 chip out of a 360's 3 chips lol). I kno this isn't anywhere close to real world measurements, but nevertheless worth a quick take.

[Vip3r]

Someone ought to lay off the crack for a while.

[miganda]

yeah right.... and i got a bridge to sell you. if this bull where to ever come to life, then i would eat my 360 controller with the chat pad attached to it.

[Fux4Bux]

Because it's the same damned hardware.

[perils]

ahahaha........hang on april 1st was ages ago. this is a bit late!

[Xiru]

haha, this post made my day. There is NO WAY in a blue moon that the Wii can even come close to the worst looking game on the PS3. The gpu's are so drastically different. Not to mention the ram and cpu. I can't wait to see this game so I can laugh at it.

[tordavis]

L....O....L

[nitramn4g]

Equal the ps3 meaby. But not the 360.

[TheHater]

I hope your level of intelligence can reach that of your avatar.
^(*_*)^

[ag101]

^^^^ you made my day man tht was funny lmao

[Doctor Strange]

As much as I don't see that level of graphics found on the PS3/Xbox 360 on the Wii I hope they can come close.

[monkfish]

Its a gamecube after all and that couldnt even match the ps2 or xbox...so how the hell is this gonna match the ps3 or 360... so confident am i on this fact i have posted without even clicking the link....Im man enough to admit im wrong so i will soon post an apology if i change my mind.

[ItsDubC]

Wait... the GC couldn't match the PS2 hardware-wise? I think you have it backwards...

[BWS1982]

Where are you getting your tech specs from? "so confident am I" you're not clicking on the link. That's a smart thing to do, start an argument but don't do the research on the subject matter. That's naivity not confidence.

The Wii is NOT a GC, and the GC had arguably equal graphics as the PS2 and Xbox 1, depending on the game.

Seems the article submitter is getting what he wanted....

[cliffbo]

Wii owners are going to hate this. having spent many hours debating graphics with them, they all say the same thing: 'games are not about graphics'. i think Nintendo have being very clever with the Wii, but come on! that tech demo looks sweet, but what will it look like on a 1080p TV? compared to the 360 or the PS3, the image will look blurry

[7h3ultim8p00]

Wow, that tech demo looks REALLY REALLY REALLY good for the Wii. Did you see the silver helmet and the silver swords? They look very nice.

I don't think they are going to achieve PS3/360 visuals. That's just ridiculous. But I think they can do "XBOX 2" visuals or something, which is very very good imo. I mean, look at Ninja Gaiden Black running on XBOX. It looks pretty damn good.

[Imalwaysright]

I think that he meant graphics of PS2 games being played on the PS3.

[fjtorres]

They just forgot to add a qualifier:
..."the game will look just like a PS3, *when played on a 13" CRT TV via RF modulator*".
Its easy to make make PS3 or 360 games look like Wii, just play it on a crappy TV via composite video. >;-)

20 days late, guys, 20 days late...

[Perverted]

On 480P the best looking Wii games will probably look pretty close in graphics to bad looking 360 games or better in some cases(I've seen really ugly 360 games).
But to say this engine or any Wii game engine can match average looking ps3/360 is just a load of BS.
But remember the Wii is about new experiences not just same old same old.
And it's good to see people trying to make decent looking Wii games.

Oh and in terms of graphics ps3>360>Wii>Xb>GC& gt;ps2

[PirateThom]

Previous games developed by HVS:

White Men Can't Jump (Atari Jaguar)
Family Guy The Video Game
50 Cent Bulletproof
etc

Move along people, nothing to see here, crappy dev.

[ChickeyCantor]

MAybe gameplaywise, but that doesnt mean their engine sucks.

[monkfish]

ok ive checked it out but is this really worth hyping i didnt think it looked good. The wii is a great console but nintendo said themselves that they were never aiming to match the ps3 or 360 for visuals this generation so i will go with what they say.
Having said that the wii has its plus points and sells well because of them but i truly beleive hyped news like this is damaging as it draws more attention to the lacking power of the console when this was not the intended use of this console.

and last gen i rate them GRAPHICS wise xbox,ps2 & game cube. although i will be fair and say resident evil 4 did look very good on the cube.

[ChickeyCantor]

Again, i dont think they mean Gears of war OR Lair.
I think they meant stuff like normal mapping, bump mapping, embose mapping.....good dynamic lightning etc et stuff like that .

edit: note that its still in developement

[jackdoe]

That makes more sense. The Wii should be capable of that kind of stuff(though not on the level of a PS360), after all, the Xbox could do most of that and the Wii is more powerful than an Xbox.

[Bullseye]

of silk purses,everyone made from a genuine pigs ear, i swear it!

[jackdoe]

Lol. Just way too funny.

[condorstrike]

no one said anything 2 days ago when they compared it to xbox graphics, but no now since the ps3 in all it's glory has been somewhat put to shame, all of you ps3 fanboys begin your crusade, lets just wait and see, hey i've seen it all... eg: Crysis on pos laptops and single core cpus, so don't spit up cause it may fall back down on your face.

[condorstrike]

thinking about it i know what hurts you fanboys the most:)

you bought a $600 ps3 that runs WII graphics.

lolololololololol

[jackdoe]

Lol. Sigh. Look in the mirror before you call others fanboys. I respect the Wii, hell I own one, but expecting "Crysis like" or "Gears like" or "Uncharted like" graphics on the Wii shows how ignorant you really are. Unlike you, most Wii fans know that the console isn't capable of PS360 graphics and they accept it and buy it anyway. Those Wii fans also make more sense then you, and are more level headed.

[Frnicatr]

Hmm.. you're thinking launch prices, but last I checked a PS3 cost $399.. Oh my God! That's only a little over 100 dollars more than a Wii!

[keony]

It has the 3D and visuals effects (algorithms), but not the final visual results on mine screen...too low resolution and less colors as on PS3 and 360. So they must not compare with these consoles but with the current Wii games, then I would say: yes quite nice.

[J@D]

I can't believe this guy said something like this... *shame on u*

[Lord_Ash]

Hmm, It might make it look as good as a PS3 game now (I doubt it anyway) but a few years from now it will be a different story.

[Frnicatr]

The only PS3/360 game I can think of which the Wii can duplicate as far as graphics are concerned is Armored Core 4. That game is awful........

[mistertwoturbo]

By the words of the great Dr. Evil "Roighhhhtttttttttttt.... ...."

[Exile__]

Ya.. I doubt it

[Expy]

I bet they're talking about 1FPS graphics.

[dfire1212]

wow i cant wait to play cooking mama in high def

[hustlerj86]

Heres what they are talking about (THE CONDUIT GAME):

for info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

for previews and pics:

http://wii.ign.com/objects/...

it looks pretty damn goon and quite close but not yet looking like a 360 title. Maybe with a little more time, it will look good as a generic 360 game with generic 360 graphics.

<img src=" http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii...

VIEW MY ATTACHMENTS TO SEE SOME INGAME PICTURES!!!

[Expy]

Looks more like a generic PS2 game.

[Lord_Ash]

Looks as good as God of War for the PS2, but no where near Uncharted or BioShock.

[mirroredderorrim]

I like reading about game engines. It's exciting to hear they are developing something like this for the Wii. However, I don't think Wii's graphics will ever be as good as PS3/Xbox360.

I really wish Nintendo would have put more graphical power into this neat little system.

Edit: the pic inside the train, that shot raised an eyebrow over here. I'll be keeping an eye out for this, among other things.

[BWS1982]

I went to school for that stuff (rendering/modeling/animation) , so it's cool to see how devs find loopholes in the bottlenecks.

That intriguing train shot, I'm sorry, but couldn't be done on a PS2 or Xbox 1 or Gamecube, have all 3, the draw distance/LOD, texturing and lighting alone is above anything on the last gens.

[TunakTunakTun]

tell me one wii game that looks better than the ps2's god of war 2... now they think they can make a game that looks like, say... gears of war (i wont even mention the ps3 games that look miles better than anything on the 360)

if they make i game that looks 1/3 as good as uncharted/ratchet & clank/warhawk/heavenly sword/lair/gt 5 prolouge i will shoot myself...

[Malacath]

The Wii can't even output high definition video so how can they even get ps3 or 360 quality graphics?
They can't, it's impossible.

They're talking a load of crap just to sell their product

[ChickeyCantor]

Who said anything about Ps3 or 360 gfx quality?
The problem here is interpretation, theya rent talking about Gears of war gfx they are taking about graphical techniques.

you can render an object on 1080P or 480P with a shader making it look nice, but it doesn't mean the 480P is taking the 1080P quality but its still doing the same thing. just on a lower resolution.( both pixel by pixel and power consuming)

[JokesOnYou]

Bullsh!t

JOY

[Rapture333]

I doubt it, theyd be working on a few still frames and thats all you can pump out of the wii's processing power. Just look how stunning games like Gears of war 2 and Metal gear solid 4 are coming out to be. PS3 + 360 > wii

[Bubble Buddy]

Aw come on get real, even Insomniac couldn't pull that off.

[brothersimon]

well comparing to ps3 graphics u aint gonna get much

they should be comparing to 360 if they want good graphics. :(

[wass007]

Yup wii games are comparable to halo 3 but never to uncharted drakes fortune

Halo 3:
http://xbox360media.ign.com...

Uncharted Drakes Fortune:
http://image.com.com/gamesp...

[xtreampro]

basicly your saying the xbox is so sh1t that u should compare wii to it, thats the best comment u'ev ever made in ur depressing life

[robbo918]

The article says it supposedly is as good as....X360 and PS3...not just one system. This is stupid overall because the Wii cannot make a game to the graphic level of X360 nor PS3 IMO, we shall see, but at least READ the article before posting.

[Xlll]

Simon owned himself and every Xbot here all at the same time. Good job! cookie for you.

[PR0NE]

got yourself owned

[jonboi24]

the only way wii can get ps3/360 like graphics is if they........
wtf am i saying they'll never get graphics that good.

[Ngai]

Quit with the 1 april jokes already...

[DailyAddict]

So, I'm looking over the tech demo and no offense to those guys, but if that Tech Demo is suppose to be an indication of what the engine is COMPLETELY capable of, then they missed the mark of achieving PS3/360 graphics by a mile. Granted, the engine looks like it could definitely improve Wii game graphics by a milestone, but still not in the same league as a PS3/360.

[ManOnFire]

I had'nt seen the tech demo until now and I have to say its impressive. Is it as good as they say ? I am not sure about that. I have no experiance in this area but it they can make a game for the Wii that runs well and looks like what I saw in the tech demo then to that would be impressive. I wish them the best and hope to see and play a game on the Wii using thier engine.

[man0fsteel]

crack is WHACK...

but seriously, who are they trying to fool. we were not born yesterday?!?

[LevDog]

HAHAHA BS making another BS comment..

If Wii owners are actually excited about those graphics, they shouldnt be.. While the water looks "OK" at best.. It is nothing special.. Thats Ps2 quality.. Do people not understand that Uncharted (console games best looking game) is only using 20% of Ps3 power, and is a First Gen game..

Wii can never touch that, they might be able to get to first gen 360 games but thats about it

[JBaby343]

The Wii can't even reproduce 360 graphics much less PS3 graphics. This post is just funny.

[Raptors]

I think this has to be the first time ever that 360 and ps3 owners can unite to point and laugh together.

[proArchy]

C'mon guys its just crappy youtube compression. Quantum3 Injun can haz PS3 graficks tooo!!!

....guys?!

[mistertwoturbo]

Although I truely do not believe its going to achieve the same visual fidelity as a PS3 or 360, this is none the less a good step foward for the Wii. There's enough crappy graphics for Wii games, maybe this engine might be the middleware for Wii developers to not only deliver more on gameplay, but at least have somewhat of a Visual standard to achieve.

[OJ_juice]

because my cell phone has more RAM then my Wii.

[ELite_Ghost]

its gonna have armored core graphics at the max

[f789790]

Never happened. Who the hell would make a claim that the Wii could match the ps3 or 360?

[darthv72]

more action! I want to see something better than those conduit screens. Something closer to gears of war.

[midgard229]

LOL

[TheKungFool]

Now if the Wii would only get rid of those silly wand controllers and make a half decent game not named "Mario" I might be interested in one.

[Dmack79]

I wonder how much this will jack up the price. $$

[i_like_ff7]

lol maybe bad ps3 graphics like spiderman 3 or something. Ill be in shock if they achieve killzone 2 graphics on the wii.

[condorstrike]

i didn't say it beats the ps3 nor 360 which by the way i have and still rather play on my sli 9600gt pc, which makes console games graphics outdated.

what my paragraph said and you should read and try to understand the puns, is that you people don't give props nor the benefits of doubt, you rather step all over nintendo, maybe because 1-1/2 years after release still don't have one or you're just one sided, either way; I stand by nintendo for the simple reason that they don't need to impose blue-ray on owners just to save their hide.

:) and don't blow a gasket remember: life is a game eventually it ends too.

[Mc187]

I will live forever.
lol

[Xanj]

They can do whatever they want with the graphics, it will still be limited by the Wii's 480p max resolution. Wii looks okay on a small SDTV, but when you use a 55" 1080P HDTV, the wii graphics look pretty weak. Yet the 360 & PS3 look great because they are capable of higher resolutions and better graphics.

I would love to see the Wii pull off those graphics with it running in 1080p or even 720p, good luck with that. :)

[Saint Sony]

If the game is about watching pretty still images.

[andron]

I guess they can squeeze something better out of the wii. But real next gen. graphics might be a stretch too far.

Most games on the wii haven't really relied to much on great graphics, but you never know what someone comes up with.

[budbundystyles]

Thats some mighty laughable heresay going on there.

[Big_Fry]

Okay.little bit of math. A Wii game looking like a PS3/ Xbox 360 Game. So now Wii Game =Ps3 game. PS3 game = Splurge worthy enter-freakin-tainment

[wiizy]

on par or better then galaxy and im more then happy... wii is about innovation and thats where it wins , nice graphics can only help

[The Closing]

If by innovation you mean standing still then ya that makes perfect sense.

[Mars Attacker]

They left out the part where he said:

The check is in the mail
I'll still love you in the morning
Pregnant women are beautiful

[xtreampro]

if i never see a game that looks better then KILLZONE 2 on the garbageBOX then that pile of 1950's junk is bullsh1t!!

[iiprotocolii]

If people say these things about the Wii while they're high on some psychedelic drug that distorts their logic and common sense. 'Cause I put my two cents that this Quantum3 guy had a Mushroom Sandwich - and I'm not referring to shiitake. I'm talking about the one that grows on cattle dung.

[bigjclassic]

but not a full spec'd game like Gears or Uncharted. But damn alot of you guys are gonna be surprised when they announce WiiHD next year, lol.

[jtucker78]

Why would Nintendo release WiiHD?

A Wii can't even handle decent textures, lighting, physics, AI or number of polys in SD. How the h*ll is it going to be able to run anything in HD?

Unless its Tetris...

[XB-T]

Pffffff bwahahahahaha

[freddy99]

MAYBE they can make great games like; conflict: denied ops

but i doubt it..

[Covenant]

Hmmmmmmmmm.....no.

It might make Wii games look better...maybe improve textures, color, and the like...but PS3 or 360 graphics?

Nope.

I have a Wii, and I sure as hell didn't buy it for the graphics.

[jinn]

wont happen even if it did the wii games suck and it would be a complete waste of time, more profit if Quantum3 supported 360

[Big Jim]

I guess sony and microsoft wasted millions and millions of dollars giving their consoles more powerfull CPUs, GPUs, and graphics cards than they needed.

[Mclovin96]

The wii's graphics already look better than the BS3. But there is no way the wii will ever match the power of the sexbox360. Not in a million years.

[hustlerj86]

I think...its not all about what the console can do, its about how you optimize the game engine to work on the console. Thats why the crysis engine is now playable on the 360/ps3 because they optimized the engine to work on it.

[SnakeShady]

bullcrap

[juuken]

I like Nintendo and the Wii but that's a bit far-fetched...

[G4drake]

THAT IS GREAT

(is this some kind of trump card)

[Enigma_2099]

A game can be fun, innovative, challenging, or whatever on the Wii, but if it doesn't look as close to a 360 or PS3 game as possible, you people won't give it the time of day!

[THUNDERMARE]

really, the gamer zone is not the place for you, open zone is there for a person like you, so go and take advantage of it.

And please if the PS3 is a gimp then what's a Wii?

[specialguest]

Looks like the Wii wants to play with the big boys. I don't know, should we let him? (psss...let's tell him he's one of us now just to boost his confidence)

[omodis420]

There is a video of this thing in action and I have to say it looks pretty decent. Even if its not gears quality. It can only improve the Wii so why not?

[Durffen]

The developer never said the engine could produce PS3 visuals. He said that they are trying to develop a game that looks like a 360 game. Now, go ahead and say that the game only looks as good as Metroid Prime 3, but this game is pre-alpha form you morons. They have so much time to polish it and really push the console to it's limits. Has anyone even seen the tech demo yet?

Go ahead, call me a Nintendo fanboy, I don't care. I own a 360, and I play it just as much as my Wii. And does anyone remember what the president of Factor 5 said? They said the engine they are using for their Wii game is going to be able to produce PS3 detailed visuals. And these are the guys who did Lair, yes, not the best playing title, but a good looking one.

It's hilarious when people instantly comment that it won't happen before they even know what they are talking about. Wait until you've seen the game when it has passed alpha form before you make any statements.

[poopface1]

even if you ignore the fact that ps3/360 are in hd and wii can never dream of that.

[hotrider12]

YEAH RIGHT!!!
its ok but no way in hell close to 360 and ps3 graphics nice try nintendo haaaaaa but it is improvement. I might consider buying a wii now.

[Durffen]

People do not bother thinking before they comment. It's like being an emo, they will only do/say what the rest of the crew will say. In this case, everyone is going to say, "Hahaha, it can't do PS3/360 graphics. Are u t3h 5tup1d?"

[BWS1982]

Agree, it's like watching lemmings marching.

[ChickeyCantor]

i tried to explain it too XD...its hopeless..

[Durffen]

Even though it is possible to have 360 similar visuals on the Wii, no one will believe it because of the visuals of past Wii title's.

Seriously, watch the tech demo, and you will be surprised by what Wii can do. Trust me, I probably would have said that Wii can do nothing similar to 360 too, if I didn't see the tech demo.

[PumPum]

Seriously im not even sure if the Tech Demo is on par with Unreal Tournament 2000. :/

[mistertwoturbo]

What I don't understand though, is why didn't Nintendo just make the Wii capable of at least 720p Graphics. It probably would have sold even better than it does now and actually truely put a real death threat to the 360 and PS3 if it had the graphics to back it up. It would have had the motion controls to Woo the Casuals, and the graphics to back up hardcore gamers. More 3rd party companies would have jumped onto it as well.

The Ironic thing is, I used to always think that Microsoft is the greedy one. But in actuality, it's Nintendo who are the most greedy in the industry. Why? because Microsoft happily dropped 50 mil on DLC for GTA IV, and happily dropped 1 billion into repairs. (okay maybe not hapily but they did it).

While Nintendo is selling $50 game cubes with a pointer, making the most profit out of any console with absolutely no price drop in sight.

[Durffen]

Why Nintendo didn't just throw in some decent visuals out of the box is a good question, but I remember reading way before Wii's launch that Wii was just going to be a $100 dollar sub-console.

Remember, Nintendo threw in 17 Million dollars on the Wii Remote jackets for the morons who kept throwing there Wii Remotes, and you can order those jackets off Nintendo's site for free.

[Avto]

they'll be serving ice cream in hell before that happens

[leeger]

So the Wii can do 1080p???????????????

[jedistev]

wow

i am owner of wii/ps3/360...i will not criticism this demo...unless i play it and test it then i can question this graphic it ...i hope they can prove me how good is it!!!

simple..

i wonder if they prove you wrong would you eat your pant or shoes to shut it up

[leeger]

and i will not criticism you. oh i mean criticize.

[jedistev]

by the way, UK english and US english are not same lol

don't worry i won't criticize oops criticise...hahaha

[DARK WITNESS]

come on guys, give him a break...

whats to say it's not possible, other then hardware limitations... he is at least entitled to dream. imagine gears or killzone with a wii-mote.

nah, scrap that. LOlololololololololololololol

[sumfood4u]

Wii this isnt possible but saying your coming close would make more sense!

[psycho360]

Damn bad news keep coming for ps3. Next up, KZ2 devs switch to Wii for better graphics, Kojima announces MGS5 for Wii.

[EaziG]

I don't see it reaching anything near PS3 or 360 quality graphics.
dont get me wrong, the tech demo looked great and i can see loads of very well done textures etc, but PS3 and x360 can happily do this in HD 1080p 60fps and they only have to use a small percent of the consoles power.

this technology must make the Wii run at pretty much 100% to produce it, so i agree with some other comments, i'd like to see their game running smoothly in realtime, in that same quality before i totally believe its possible on the Wii.

[power091999]

This is like driving a smart car, putting in Super Gasoline and expecting to have 300HP.

The hardware needs to be able to handle it, and this is what the Wii is lacking.

Although it has done quite well for itself. PS3, and 360 visuals on a Wii will not happen.

[chrstphr567]

If they do pull it off and are able to make the grafix as good as PS3 then expect future games being 3,4,or even 5 disks long because the grafix took most of the disk space. Imagin if Uncharted came out for Wii Or Heavenly Sword. It will properly be setting a new record for the first game to use 7 disks lol. It's either that or the games are gonna be really short.

[flappo]

the worst thing about the wii is it's abysmal video out quality

ok , on hdtv it looks crap , no surprises there

but on my b&o avant32 dvd - arguably the best sd crt ever made - it still looks crap !

fuzzy , indistinct and lacking focus

no matter what they do to the wii - it will always be a complete pile of junk imo , akin to a 2nd rate ps2 - ie; gamecube

and that's basically what it is

a gamecube with a quieter fan and an extra 300 mhz - woo hoo ...

..except the gamecube actually - for some weird reason - had a better video out , especially it's rgb out , which is much crisper than the wii's

either way the ps3 wipes the floor with it in every way imaginable

[EaziG]

I love how this company has wasted all their time in trying to squeeze good graphics from the Wii.
If they would have put these same efforts into the PS3 or X360 imagine what they could have produced.
but no, lets stick with the out-of-date graphics on the Wii.

[monkfish]

http://uk.media.xbox.ign.co...

Above is a link to an ign review of a late ish original x box game (splinter cell double agent) the graphics in this look better to me than those in conduit.....can someone please tell me if the wii has anything better inside (eg its processor and gpu) than what is inside a game cube...... its nice to see somone making the effort but i didnt think the wii was as powerful as a ps2 or xbox. as for the ps3 and 360.....forget it. however having said that it doesnt need to match those as its doing fine without amazing graphics judging by how popular it is.

[ghettocheeze]

This looks like a tech demo done 5 years ago.

Sorry but Wii can't match match GEoW and MSG4 in terms of graphics. Maybe it can rival some 3rd party EA ports but nothing like top of the line games on the 360/PS3.