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AMD Explains Why Mantle Is Exclusive To PC & Not Present On Xbox One

DSOGaming writes: "A couple of hours ago, Microsoft revealed that Xbox One only supports DX 11.x as its API. Contrary to rumors, Xbox One does not support Mantle (or any other API like OpenGL). A lot of gamers got confused by all of this, which is why AMD decided to step in and explain things."

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allformats3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

It's on PS4, and that's all that matters to me.

So many problems with Xbox One, why gamers are even going near that thing at launch is beyond me.

Anyway, Greatness Awaits!

ONE. MORE. MONTH!!!!

JokesOnYou3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

allformats: "It's on PS4, and that's all that matters to me"

-Huh? I must of read a different article than you. The article here states:

"AMD confirmed that Mantle is not in consoles, and will be an exclusive API for the PC https://twitter.com/AMDRade...

“What Mantle creates for the PC is a development environment that’s *similar* to the consoles, which already offer low-level APIs, close-to-metal programming, easier development and more (vs. the complicated PC environment)." -AMD

"So there you have it everyone. No Mantle on consoles. Not a bad thing as the architecture of a console allows developers to ‘code to the metal’ even by using DX11.x, something that is obviously not possible on the PC."

-lmfao, You are so quick to go on some fanboy rant you don't either both reading the news posts and make a fool of yourself spouting OLD misinformation.....and that's why gamers like me are going to go near(buy) it at launch because sonyfanboys like you just hate on X1 with BS made up info and flawed logic.

black0o3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

@joke the ps4 has low-lvl API
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

-"PlayStation 4 has two rendering APIs One of them is the absolute low-level API"'
AMD cant just downply one console and favor the other one ;) and we already now that ps4 is supporting openGL/dx/..etc

OT:last time i check all consoles has low API which almost the same as mantle.

i'm surprised to see MS dropping the low-APi for the sack of Dx11.2

JokesOnYou3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

blackoo, what are you going on about?

Yeah EVEN BEFORE MANTLE consoles have always enjoyed this advantage of low API allowing devs to ‘code to the metal’ so to speak....however this particular AMD Mantle is NOT on consoles straight from AMD mouth. Due to the headline allformats mistakenly implied it was on ps4 while not being on X1, THAT IS IN FACT FALSE. Your eurogamer link only acknowledges once again that Mantle is *similar* to ps4 API and DX11 X1 architechture for lower level game creation.

lol this is FROM THE VERY FIRST LINE IN YOUR OWN LINK, which just proves exactly what I said:
"AMD has revealed Mantle - a new low-level API for PC that offers game developers the opportunity to more directly access graphics hardware, eliminating many of the bottlenecks that hold back PC games performance from reaching its full potential"

-Why must I educate so often?

lol, fanboys have no shame, I guess AMD is now lying about their own tech, just hit disagree while all the links smack you in the face with the truth=say OUCH! lmfao

Klonopin3887d ago

They'll believe what they wanna hear regardless of what the article says.

black0o3887d ago

@jakes stop spinning facts for luv of God, u are trying so hard to put the ps4 and xbone on the same ship

bottom line is that Ps4 has secondary low-level API which specifically for the PS4 and M.cerny talked about it over and over unlike MS

so go ahead and find me a link or proof that says other wise except ur opinion

GTgamer3887d ago

Jokesonyou your a xbox fanboy so what are you going on about you defend MS to death but call out Sony fans for doing the same i don't get you :/ good neither console have Mantle so i guess no one wins this war so lets write long comments to prove what exactly? that both consoles don't have it good for you.

Ezz20133887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

@JokesOnYou

i will ask you this and i want a simple answer
since xbox don't have it
do ps4 have low-lvl API or not ?!
yes or no ?!
and i want a link that confirm it

don't give me long comment

black0o3886d ago (Edited 3886d ago )

@disagrees and @jokes allow me to smack this on ur face http://www.pcgameshardware....

and my face is still waiting ..

@below i'm not saying that the ps4 has mantle i'm saying it has a low-lvl API and the fact that xbone only support the Dx unlike the ps4 which is supporting both Dx and openGl or anyother APi codes ''in other world the mantle is a copycat of what the Ps4's API do''

if what i'm saying is spinning then proof it

4Sh0w3886d ago (Edited 3886d ago )

lol just verbally spanked all you fanboys.

blackoo if anybody is spinning its you, read carefully all jokes said was neither had Mantle which allformats said "Its on ps4" why are you correcting him everybody knows they can do low lvl game development lol thats not the point.

GTgamer hold on so wait anybody who corrects misinformation is an xbox fanboy=NO the bottomline is allformats is WRONG plain and simple thats not defending thats saying exactly what he did and you are just mad another sonfanboy got exposed as usual.

Ezz2013 wow are you slow? Read the damm news both have the ability to do low lvl game development similar to Mantle but its not Mantle like the first post said and blacoo wants is full of it trying to prove Jokes wrong when he clearly explains himself and its backed up right there in the links.

Ezz20133886d ago (Edited 3886d ago )

@4Sh0w

i already know ps4 is using Low-lvl API but not the same as Mantle since it's exclusive to PC like this article confirm
and that what @black0o is saying
he never said ps4 is using Mantle
all he said ps4 is using Low-lvl API
but i didn't see anything that confirm it for xbox1
where is the link that confirm xbox is using it as well ?!

to be honest i have no idea what that do

GTgamer3886d ago (Edited 3886d ago )

@4Show yes I'm a Sony fan big whoop i still a own xbox but i prefer Sony and PS for allot of reasons so i don't know what your exposing but that would make you a xbox fan too so i guess were both exposed smfh he didn't need to explain misinformation since that's what is article is for :).

mediate-this3886d ago

I honestly agree with you alot, i rarely type on here but i try, its good to read a post of some one who actually reads the article.

So much hate from both sides of the fence about these consoles, guys there just plastic. Enjoy your preferred taste, but the is just ridiculous

Ju3886d ago (Edited 3886d ago )

"DirectX 11.2+/OpenGL4.4 FEATURE SET"...doesn't mean it runs those APIs, but it provides features on par with those APIs. What this mostly refers to is shader/compute within the render pipeline. And in no way does it confirm Mantel is in PS4s SDK (libGCM is).

christocolus3886d ago

@jokes

i read that article and it was stated clearly (not for consoles exclusive to pc)but yet they argue it...they seem to know better than amd now...dude sometimes its better to leave them in their ignorance...

RyuCloudStrife3886d ago (Edited 3886d ago )

JokesOnYou although you are right this time(FINALLY)...... You are still a joke, an M$ CLOWN.

TheKayle13886d ago

@black ..u can be suprised ....i dont know why but.t.hey r not dropping their low lvl api is called mono...xb1 have one ps4 have another...

nukeitall3886d ago (Edited 3886d ago )

@black0o:

Clearly you are trying to mislead and spread FUD!

Of course the Xbox One has low level API. No one in their mind slaps on the world most commonly used graphics API and doesn't take into account performance on something as common as a console.

Low level access is the name of the game for consoles, and has always been. That is how you extract max performance.

This is the stupidest conversation I have seen in a long time!

Mantle is nothing more than a low level access that is shared across ATI chips available. It is just a specific implementation to combat the high level API encapsulating all the nastyness of incompatibility. If you code to Mantle, it is strictly for ATI.

Also your image via the link says nothing about low level API for PS4. In fact, all it really says is OpenGL and DirectX *FEATURE SET* not even *all* the features.

It's just a fancy way of saying we have some features in the latest graphcis API, but make it sound like we got it all!

Don't be fooled by the FUD spreaders!!!

darthv723886d ago

lets just look at it for what it is.

XB1 has 1 way of doing things...the DX way
PS4 has 2 ways...DX and OGL
PC has (at least) 3 ways...DX, OGL and now Mantle

Now was that so hard?

DomceM3886d ago

jokes i never agree with you so this will have to be a first.

this is too funny to pass up.

Fanboys are easy to spot nowadays.

loulou3886d ago

allformats the dupe account of dedicatedtogamers smh

walkincarpet3886d ago

ah...thank you JOY - it's always good to read a few sensible comments amongst the trash. Can't wait for MS to usher in the complete next gen experience with X1!

maniacmayhem3886d ago

These comments are beyond funny. The fact that Jokes provided a link and info and is still being called names or a liar is a true testament to some of these commenters mentality.

And then we all act surprised when we hear news about troll on Toys R Us youtube page or something similar.

It is really mind boggling.

P0werVR3886d ago

^

When I joined the site, I thought these were just common low trolls that most people will ignore and use the "rating system" to oust them out...nope, not on this site. This is troll nation and they thrive here unfortunately.

But the worst of em' I've come across so far are the PS fanboys. They are on a WHOLE other level of trolling and in most cases makes themselves look downright RIDICULOUS!

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heliumhead20303887d ago

It blatantly says that mantle is not in consoles

heliumhead20303887d ago

The title blatantly says EXCLUSIVE TO PC

papashango3886d ago

But the people in the comments section of N4G said..!!

BBBirdistheWord3886d ago

"But the people in the comments section of N4G said..!!

^^
pure win

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FrigidDARKNESS3887d ago

Go and do some research. Dude Mantle is not for ps4.
The API was design with Microsoft to replace Directx on PC games. AMD worked with Microsoft on every version with Mantle. This interview with an AMD engineer explains everything.

www.hardware.fr/focus/89/amd- mantle-interview-raja-koduri.ht ml

black0o3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

they know about it .. they didnt co-make it nor own any part of it

Letros3886d ago

@Black0o

It's good that you ran out of bubbles because you have no clue what you're talking about.

black0o3887d ago

@allformats it's not problem for xbone it's much bigger problem for MS since the Mantle would effectively replace Microsoft’s Direct X along said valve OS -openGL-

JokesOnYou3886d ago (Edited 3886d ago )

lol I see you switched your eurogamer links above, doesn't matter its still on the internet, and guess what according to that same link, it seems AMD's Mantle is NOT here to help Microsoft or Sonys console:

"Considering the boost Mantle could give to a Steambox, MS and Sony may wind up being downright hostile to it."
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

black0o3886d ago

did u read what i wrote or u just luv to act as a fanboy

Kleptic3886d ago (Edited 3886d ago )

Well MS is saying directX 11.2 offers 'close to metal programming on Xbox One'...AMD is saying DirectX 11.1 (not sure of any games that have used .2 yet) does NOT allow enough low level access on PC architecture (which makes sense, considering how much available hardware is out there)...

to me, its sort of MS saying 'its not us, its the hardware manufacturers drivers'...and the vendors are saying 'its not our drivers, its directx'...

Not sure what the big deal is either way...mantle, at most, will simply be an option for people with specific hardware...it'll never fully replace directx...unless it does something drastically better on the consumer end...hell even development costs are offset completely if it limits the PC's that can play it...

DoctorJones3886d ago

Black0o tries to act like he knows what he's talking about and makes himself look like a complete fool in the process. Excellent.

Great stuff, this is what makes n4g ideal for passing the time. It's the little moments like these that makes the whole site worthwhile.

'did u read what i wrote or u just luv to act as a fanboy '

And he's calling someone else a fanboy, lol that's priceless.

falviousuk3886d ago

I do love coming here to read the sony fanboy comments, they truly are priceless.

trying to convince people about nonsense as though its fact. And talking about stuff that they clearly have no idea about.

They also complain about the fanboys in playstation threads then tear through just about every xbox thread putting it down.

I just come here for a laugh now, its that ridiculous.

The sony fanboys have yet again attained the same level of idiocy they did back in 2009, and in some ways surpassed it.

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Saviour3886d ago

lol bunch of kids here. Console always has low-level Api's. no need for mantle on both X1 and ps4. dx 11.x version on xbox include low-level access.

aviator1893886d ago

Do you have any reading comprehension skills or do you just make up things along the way as you see fit??

lastofgen3886d ago

Ok, that's it.
allformats needs to lose a bubble, if not more.
it's freaking ridiculous how he has so many bubbles despite his obvious inaccuracies.

Bolts3886d ago

Mantle is on the PS4? LMAO!! Typical Sony fanboy ignorance.

Pain3886d ago

None of this Nerd crap means anything to
me..

I just wanna play games.

badkolo3886d ago (Edited 3886d ago )

allformats do you just lie to lie or is that how you try to get your view across by lying

babadivad3886d ago

You do know that there is absolutely no benefit to having mantel on PS4 or X1 right??? The only reason it was created is to give CONSOLE-Like low level access to the GPU on PCs. Since CONSOLES [Xbox & PS4 are consoles in case you had trouble understanding that] already have low level access to the gpu, can you tell me the benefit of a not as low access API running on them? Usually i just read on this site but i had to comment on the nonsense people were spouting having no idea what they're talking about.

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TacticAce3887d ago

they need to explain why the 290x is still not available for sale...

NarooN3887d ago

The NDA on the R9-290 series will be lifted tomorrow.

TacticAce3886d ago

I doubt it, AMD's advertisement was actually taken down from newegg. If I dont get the 290X by the time Battlefield 4 comes out I'll be highly upset Because not only did they not hold their word on the release date but now they are messing with my plans to get BF4 on its release date.

Xristo3887d ago

Totally! They need to hurry up because I'm on the verge of buying an eVGA 780 Classified. Just trying to hold out on the 290x reviews, pricing, and nVidia's reaction (hopeful price drop). My 580 is getting long in the tooth!

kingduqc3886d ago

Like about every gpu release they don't release all at the same time...

NDA lift on the high end the 15th

luisvideogames3887d ago

I recommend getting the Xbox One when it actually holds a candle against Sony's PS4 exclusives, and no, those late-gen 360 titles ported over to One don't count.

No hate, been with MS since the Original Xbox.

4logpc3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

Last time I checked...it was up to the individual to decide what games were better...

BigShotSmoov0073886d ago

Noooooooooo 4logpc....It's up too Sony fanboys to determine what games are better. At least thats how it is on this website

Trekster_Gamer3887d ago

No hate but you spew troll ignorant hatred. Everyone minus blind Sonybots agree that the launch lineup looks every bit as good if not better than Any Sony launch game..

No need to retread Xbox 360 old news but we all know in the history of last gen games looked better and played better on the 360.

Haloo 4 looked as good as any PS3 title, better story and gameplay than any PS3 title.

Trolls and Sonybots disagree below...

BlackTar1873886d ago (Edited 3886d ago )

Lol troll and sonybots.

LOL

halo 4 did not look as good. Game splaying better is debatable depending on the games you're talking about. Halo 4 story was just alright.

lol GG trekster

redcar1213887d ago

Fan boys never read the post lol

FlyingFoxy3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

That's N4G for you.

On another note, good news that AMD are doing this with Mantle, hopefully now we get higher fps in games like above 60+ even on newer releases.

wishingW3L3887d ago

and there goes the chance of the Xbox to finally have an equivalent to Sony's libgcm.

wishingW3L3886d ago (Edited 3886d ago )

here sir:

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Read and learn something. Xbox has low level extensions through DirectX but libgcm is an entire library dedicated to it.

4logpc3886d ago

@wishing

Your comparing a 2009 article about Xbox 360 Vs a 2013 piece about PLaystation 4....

And Microsoft has said many times, Direct X 11.2 is being developed so developers have full access to all of the benefits...

wishingW3L3886d ago (Edited 3886d ago )

I'm gonna be honest with you. You can't argue without knowledge and you obviously have none. Based on your current response it's obvious that you don't even have the slightest idea of what is being discussed here.

The first link is an article from 2009 that talks about the low level API on current gen consoles (X360's directX vs PS3's libgcm). The second link is from 2013 and it talks about the low level API on the PS4 (which BTW is the same as the PS3's).

So if you want to learn a little bit about the topic then read my links. But if you just want to continue being a fanboy talking nonsense like most other users of this site, then be my guest. Continue spreading misinformation and talking about stuff you don't understand.

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dude, just stop. You have everything mixed up and that happens because you don't know anything. I'm not even praising anything... I'm just saying that libgcm is an entire library dedicated to low level programming while DirectX only has a few extensions. -___-

The benefits it talks about is that because DirectX is more streamlined it speeds up the shader programming (nothing to do with low level). But because you're a fanboy trying to argue about stuff you don't understand you just don't realize that.

But if you want to continue the argument since I'm out of bubbles we can create a topic on the forums. I can even give you some of my low level code running and show you how to run it on your PC so you believe me that even though I'm not an expert (just a student) I know much more about the topic than you do.

And I would do this because I don't like people questioning my knowledge, especially people like you that is so obvious that don't know anything.

4logpc3886d ago

@wishing

Don't tell me what I know and don't know...I have plenty of knowledge bud.

You can try and sit all high and mighty because your on n4g, but again your comparing API's that have changed for Microsoft. Comparing an old version of Direct X to Playstation 4.

Maybe you should read what you post because it clearly states in your little link there, that it has benefits and drawbacks.

There are many different ways to program software, and there will never be a 100% right way. That is left up to the developers.

Dont call me a fanboy when your the one trying to praise a Playstation API as the best thing since sliced bread.

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Saviour3886d ago

lol Xbox one already have low access to hardware the same as ps4 has. try harder!

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AMD Could Revolutionize Handheld Gaming In 2024

Shaz from GL writes: "AMD could spur the beginning of a new era in handheld gaming with their upcoming APUs"

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rlow120d ago

To me the most important hardware is the battery. Doesn’t matter how powerful the chips are.

ABizzel120d ago

Eh…. It’s a combination of multiple things.

The battery is hugely important as it allows you to have ideally 4 - 5 hour gaming sessions.

The more powerful the processor the more games developers can share to the handheld, nd of course the better said games perform.

From there display, software, and ergonomics matter, as a good display/software will allow games to be more vivid, run at variable fps 30/40/60 ideally, and good ergonomics means it’s comfortable to play for said 4 - 5 hours. Everything else is gravy at that point.

rlow118d ago

I know we all want more power. But it’s sad that 4-5 hours is considered good now. It really shows how batteries have progressed at a much slower pace than hungry components.

redrum0619d ago

Of course it matters how powerful the chips are for it to be future proof. Don't you want to be able to play new games?

Neonridr19d ago

the Switch proves that you don't need the most cutting edge power out there to be successful.

RaiderNation19d ago

@Neonrdr that doesn't prove anything because only Nintendo could get away with that. Their games aren't the most complex/graphically ambitious and Nintendo fans don't care.

Vits19d ago

@Neonridr

If anything, the Switch proves the exact point "redrum06" was making. Yes, it might be successful, but it's definitely not future-proof. Just look at how many games and franchises completely skip the platform.

redrum0618d ago

I have a Switch, and recently got the Legion Go. I havent touched the Switch ever since, purely because of its inability to play even older games at a decent frame rate. For anyone wanting to play multiplatform games as well, people should skip the Switch.

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Marcus Fenix19d ago

There’s no way you’re getting that 40CU 16-core APU in a handheld. That’s too hot and power hungry for that. The highest end APU they’re suggesting is going to end up in gaming laptops that can cool a 100W chip.

Jingsing19d ago (Edited 19d ago )

I think these articles get things a little out of perspective, Steam Deck has sold around 3 million and Switch has sold 140 million. But if you are browsing certain parts internet you'd think the Steam Deck had sold over 100 million. If articles are going to continue to circulate like this and continue to put the Steam Deck in the same arena then I'm comfortable calling the device a flop.

Neonridr19d ago

Steam Deck, while considerably more popular due to it's lower barrier of entry, is still a niche device with the likes of the ROG Ally and others.

I own one and it's really nice to be able to play some games on the go or in bed, but it'll never fully compete with a system like the Switch.

Skuletor19d ago

Especially when they're not in the same price range, the Switch is considerably cheaper.

gold_drake19d ago

sure but theres still a limit to what u can put in there ha. power consumption would be the biggest hurdle. and cooling.

Demetrius18d ago

I wana try out a pc handheld but I would like to experience a steady framerate etc I don't wana have to keep going into my settings trying to make things smoother in gameplay, that's the only thing that's been keepin me from getting one I've heard others having to go into the settings time from time that'll be annoying

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AMD gaming revenue declined massively year-over-year, CFO says the demand is 'weak'

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RonsonPL34d ago

Oh wow. How surprising! Nvidia overpriced their RTX cards by +100% and AMD instead of offering real competition, decided to join Nvidia in their greedy approach, while not having the same mindshare as Nvidia (sadly) does. The 7900 launch was a marketing disaster. All the reviews were made while the card was not worth the money at all, they lowered the price a bit later on, but not only not enough but also too late and out of "free marketing" window coming along with the new card generation release. Then the geniuses at AMD axed the high-end SKUs with increased cache etc, cause "nobody will buy expensive cards to play games" while Nvidia laughed at them selling their 2000€ 4090s.
Intel had all the mindshare among PC enthusiasts with their CPUs. All it took was a competetive product and good price (Ryzen 7000 series and especially 7800x3d) and guess what? AMD regained the market share in DYI PCs in no time! The same could've have happened with Radeon 5000, Radeon 6000 and Radeon 7000.
But meh. Why bother. Let's cancell high-end RDNA 4 and use the TSMC wafers for AI and then let the clueless "analysts" make their articles about "gaming demand dwingling".

I'm sure low-end, very overpriced and barely faster if not slower RDNA4 will turn things around. It will have AI and RT! Two things nobody asked for, especially not gamers who'd like to use the PC for what's most exciting about PC gaming (VR, high framerate gaming, hi-res gaming).
8000 series will be slow, overpriced and marketed based on its much improved RT/AI... and it will flop badly.
And there will be no sane conclusions made at AMD about that. There will be just one, insane: Gaming is not worth catering to. Let's go into AI/RT instead, what could go wrong..."

Crows9034d ago

What would you say would be the correct pricing for new cards?

Very insightful post!

RonsonPL33d ago

That's a complicated question. Depends on what you mean. The pricing at the release date or the pricing planned ahead. They couldn't just suddenly end up in a situation where their existing stock of 6000 cards is suddenly unsellable, but if it was properly rolled out, the prices should be where they were while PC gaming industry was healthy. I recognize the arguments about inflation, higher power draw and PCB/BOM costs, more expensive wafers from TSMC etc. but still, PC gaming needs some sanity to exist and be healthy. Past few years were very unhealthy and dangerous to whole PC gaming. AMD should recognize this market is very good for them as they have advantage in software for gaming and other markets while attractive short term, may be just too difficult to compete at. AI is the modern day gold rush and Nvidia and Intel can easily out-spend AMD on R&D. Meanwhile gaming is tricky for newcomers and Nvidia doesn't seem to care that much about gaming anymore. So I would argue that it should be in AMDs interest to even sell some Radeon SKUs at zero profit, just to prevent the PC gaming from collapsing. Cards like 6400 and 6500 should never exist at their prices. This tier was traditionally "office only" and priced at 50$ in early 2000s. Then we have Radeons 7600 which is not really 6-tier card. Those were traditionally quite performant cards based on wider than 128-bit memory bus. Also 8GB is screaming "low end". So I'd say the 7600 should've been available at below 200$ (+taxes etc.) as soon as possible, at least for some cheaper SKUs.For faster cards, the situation is bad for AMD, because people spending like $400+ are usually fairly knowledgable and demanding. While personally I don't see any value in upscallers and RT for 400-700$ cards, the fact is that especially DLSS is a valuable feature for potential buyers. Therefore, even 7800 and 7900 cards should be significantly cheaper than they currently are. People knew what they were paying for when buying Radeon 9700, 9800, X800, 4870 etc. They were getting gaming experience truly unlike console or low-end PC gaming. By all means, let's have expensive AMD cards for even above $1000, but first, AMD needs to show value. Make the product attractive. PS5 consoles can be bought at 400$. If AMD offers just a slightly better upscalled image on the 400$ GPU, or their 900$ GPU cannot even push 3x as many fps compared to cheap consoles, the pricing acts like cancer on PC gaming. And poor old PC gaming can endure only so much.

MrCrimson33d ago

I appreciate your rant sir, but it has very little to do with gpus. It is the fact that the PS5 and Xbox are in end cycle before a refresh.

RonsonPL33d ago

Yes, but also no. AMD let their PC GPU marketshare to shrink by a lot (and accidentally helped the whole market shrink in general due to bad value of PC GPUs over the years) and while their console business may be important here, I'd still argue their profits from GPU division could've been much better if not for mismanagement.

bababooiy33d ago

This is something many have argued over the last few years when it comes to AMD. The days of them selling their cards at a slight discount while having a similar offering are over. Its not just a matter of poor drivers anymore, they are behind on everything.

RNTody33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

Great post. I went for a Nvidia RTX 3060Ti which was insane value for money when I look at the fidelity and frame rates I can push in most games including new releases. Can't justify spending 3 times what my card cost at the time to get marginal better returns or the big sell of "ray tracing", which is a nice to have feature but hardly essential given what it costs to maintain.

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KwietStorm_BLM34d ago

Well that's gonna happen when you don't really try. I want to support AMD so badly and give Nvidia some actual competition but they don't very much seem interested in challenging, by their own accord. I been waiting for them to attack the GPU segment the same way they took over CPU, but they just seem so content with handing Nvidia the market year after year, and it's happening again this year with their cancelled high end card.

MrCrimson33d ago

I think you're going to see almost zero interest from AMD or Nvidia on the gaming GPU market. They are all in on AI.

RhinoGamer8834d ago

No Executive bonuses then...right?

enkiduxiv33d ago

What are smoking? Got to layoff your way to those bonuses. Fire 500 employees right before Christmas. That should get you there.

Tapani33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

Well, if you are 48% down in Q4 in your Gaming sector as they are, which in absolute money terms is north of 500M USD, then you are not likely to get at least your quarterly STI, but can be applicable for annual STI. The LTI may be something you are still eligible for, such as RSUs or other equity and benefits, especially if they are based on the company total result rather than your unit. All depends on your contract and AMD's reward system.

MrCrimson33d ago

Lisa Su took AMD from bankruptcy to one of the best semiconductor companies on the planet. AMD from 2 dollars a share to 147. She can take whatever she wants.

Tapani33d ago

You are not wrong about what she did for AMD and that is remarkable. However, MNCs' Rewards schemes do not work like "take whatever you want, because you performed well in the past".

darksky34d ago

AMD prcied their cards thinking that they will sell out just like in the mining craze. I suspect reality has hit home when they realized most gamers cannot afford to spend over $500 for a gpu.

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Make your next GPU upgrade AMD as these latest-gen Radeon cards receive a special promotion

AMD has long been the best value option if you're looking for a new GPU. Now even their latest Radeon RX 7000 series is getting cheaper.

Father__Merrin44d ago

Best for the money is the Arc cards

just_looken44d ago

In the past yes but last gen amd has gotten cheaper and there new cards are on the horizon making 6k even cheaper.

The arc cards are no longer made by intel but asus/asrock has some the next line battlemage is coming out prices tbd.

Do to the longer software development its always best to go amd over intel if its not to much more money even though intel is a strong gpu i own 2/4 card versions.