Metal Gear Beta Delayed, Official Konami Response

IMPORTANT NOTICE for all
METAL GEAR ONLINE PREMIERE BETA players

We would like to thank all players for their keen interest in taking part in the beta test. However, we regret to inform you that due to extraordinary levels of traffic from all around the globe, we have been unable to run the service to the level we expected. As a temporary measure, we will be deferring the start of the US public beta test until we are able to stabilize our server.

We would like to apologize for all inconveniences as well as confusion caused. We would like to add that due to the above reasons, we will be making the following changes to the schedule:

1) Starting date: TBA. We will be making another announcement on 22/4/2008 23:00(PDT)
2) Beta Test closure: This will now be on 11/05/2008 at 24:00(PDT) rather than 06/05/2008 at 24:00(PDT)

IMPORTANT: Please note that your voucher code will only be valid up until 05/06/2008, so please make sure to register them by then.

[Cerberus_Hunter]

About time they said something.

[MikeGdaGod]

good now i can go to bed

[Condoleezza Rice]

Firstly,I'm disappointed along with many others,but to launch a worldwide beta test with limited resources,is quite a task...I really-And I truthfully believe,that Konami GREATLY underestimated the amount of people that wanted to be in the Beta,and this has been evident in the crashing of the ID site and the Beta itself.

Secondly,(and with that said^)I believe SONY Japan should provide Konami with some Server assistance,it would go a whole lot smoother if Sony stepped in and directly straightened this out.

Here's to hoping the Beta is live within the next three days.

[Ghoul]

@ rize

well tbh (and with great respect towards konami and metalgear) i have to say this is one of the worst beta starts ive seen. The load was to be expected the id servers (registration) have been a complete mess and haven't been fixed. It#s not like the game wouldn't ship in 1 month and a half, other wise i would start to be worried about this.

Let's hope they manage to fix this but tbh i don't expet the beta to run for at least another 5 days, the mess with the id servers haven't been fixed also.

[CrashSharc]

they should have had some idea right? Obviously they couldn't have more than the amount of beta keys available. Europe I understand, because everyone and their grandmother would have downloaded the fcuking thing. But NA, they should of had a clue... oh well no biggie. They delayed the closure which is great because I have finals and can't play till the 28th anyways! I LOVE YOU KONAMI!!!

[gameraxis]

before sony and dev companies just make sure they have way more servers than they need just to be safe, I'm sick of traffic being the reason for everything from ps store, to mgsOB etc.its just soooo Fing aggravating... anyone agree. but i still love sony.

[pharmd]

they had years to plan for this, as well as the fact that they knew how many people had preordered so they knew what to expect for the beta..... im sorry this is just not acceptable, if there was a problem they should have known before last night..... i know i know, its beta, this stuff happens but dont push like this if ya cant handle it.....

[jessehaysfl]

i understand this is a beta my problem with it is the fact that there are people playing right now that did not pay to play however I did pay to play and now i get nothing for my money. Ive beta tested other things and yes there are always hicups and issues however if your going to make a percentage of your testers pay for the ability then i think they should at least get prefrence over non paying testers. thats all.
Thanks.

oh and for those keeping track on the east coast of the us 23.00 pdt is 2am wed. morning 4/23 lame.

[hazeblaze]

The game ID site is working fine now.

But yea, this is really disappointing. The same thing happened with the Warhawk beta though. We had network problems for nearly a week... used to get kicked off after about 2-3 min of playing. Although, at least we were able to get logged on and play for a lil bit before getting kicked off, huh. But the point is that allowed the developers to work on their end and eventually we were up and running smoothly. Warhawk is still the most stable, and the most fun, online game I've played to date now... so Konami can still turn this around.

[Jinxstar]

Dude I have yet to be able to get my Konami Game ID and stuff so... I kinda lost interest now. GTA 4 is soon and I wont be playing much else for a while...

[Yipee Bog]

Until the 25th. On the site id.konami.net, they hope to shoot for a weekend release, and end on the 11th of May.

[Homicide]

Konami sure did underestimated the demand for the beta. Well, at least they're extending the end date.

[Kulupoo]

@ 1.2 sorry im not gonna cut em any slack...
I pre-order my games yet i cant play the beta.. while people @ Europe can play without pre-ordering it?
well thx alot konami...

[samfk]

dont get me started !ridiculous over complicated mess! CREATE KONAMI ID GRR CASE SENSITVE !!!N GUESS wat still dont work! dunno bout next gen.i love konami games but this is a total shambles .

[Skerj]

Konami f**cked up, how could they not have prepared for this? At least it's a beta and not retail, I'd really be pissed then.

[Herbert tholdpervert]

exactly it's a beta

[Coffin87]

damn you stupid f*,
this is a BETA, a TESTING PERIOD.

why the f* do you think they made this? so that these mistakes don't happen in the retail version.. damn be happy you at least have the chance to be in the beta and that they actually made one. stop crying around little child.

[spec_ops_comm]

If they knew how limited their beta servers were, then why the hell did they open up FREE worldwide beta code sites, including a completely OPEN beta for all of Europe???

Their NA strategy originally made sense, as they could keep a strict limit on how many NA users were allowed in, because they decided how many MGS Saga DVDs w/ bonus codes to produce. But then, for some reason, they also opened up a free code giveaway for NA...

How can such a mistake be made by a publicly owned company? If I was a Konami shareholder, I would NOT be happy right now. This is a royal slap in the face to everyone who preordered to get their beta code, as if it was just us trying to get in, we would be fine. However, when you have 10 times the people trying to get in with FREE codes.. Well.. What did you think would happen, Konami?

[himdeel]

...testers is a brilliant move. From this approach they can get the BEST data and ideas of how they can accommodate all of the potential users for this game at launch. Sure it's an inconvenience to all those who are signed up to play the beta version, but in the long run I expect a VERY stable online experience with no abnormal 1st day connection woes.

While I'm not pleased I wont be amongst the beta testers. I made a conscious decision refusing to attempt to sign up for beta after getting the IP rejection email after signing up for the JP beta. Likewise I rather not dwell on the processes and prefer not get frustrated with it. I'll get my chance to play either way it goes.

Finally could you imagine the $hi*storm if this happened to the retail version of this game? While I agree they should have had SOME idea of the interest in this game before they opened beta worldwide. Like the many comments made before mine, I agree and this is why you beta test. Besides at the end of the day they WILL KNOW the type of server infrastructures they will need to establish or build or maintain to make the MGS4 online gamers happy...that is if such thing is a possibility.

[Skerj]

I hope you're not insulting me Coffin, considering I acknowledged this was a beta and not retail in my first post for that very reason.

[samfk]

man if u have to go thru the same stuff for the proper mgs online then im not sure i want it !! man my main reason 4 buying ps3 was mgs4!!!

[Foxx77]

Thank you for posting this ... the story on the front page right now is extremely misleading. This needs to get approved!

[ps3FTW]

This sucks.

[MikeGdaGod]

you act like this is the end of the world. most of you didn't even know anything about the beta three weeks ago. i say, better now than June 12th.

just chill-out.

all this means is the beta will last longer. relax

this is part of beta testing and Konami just learned a valuable lesson.

[The Closing]

No it's quite simple. There were supposed to be 5000 dvds given out with beta codes to the people who first pre ordered their game, which is the exact amount they should have expected, but then on top of that they gave out the code to just any Joe Blow on their website, and even that should have been a certain number that they should have anticipated.

This should be a lesson, but a lesson that should have already been learned.

P.S. The Beta isn't necessarily longer since it's been delayed so ofc the expiration date has been pushed as well.

[Foxx77]

You get bubbles for that one... It was amazing look at Gamefaqs and other message boards through out sunday and seeing people freaking out they couldn't get on even though it was still the afternoon in most of the U.S. ... the beta test is meant to check these things, like server loads and whatever else will come up in the next few weeks.

More time to play and Konami will learn how to better handle server loads for the full retail release.

Sometimes I wonder and I'm pretty sure that some people just don't understand the purpose or how a beta works. They just think it should be a demo and everything should work perfectly. Oh well, that's usually a small percent of people but also a very vocal group.

[Science_NERD]

People are upset because they were looking very forward to this game and to get a little taste of what the mgs4 gameplay will be like. No not everyone knows what or how a Beta tests is, frankly, most people dont give a sh1t, they want to play pure and simple.

So mr smarta$$ why dont you explain what and how a beta works and what it does, the only thing beta means to me is polymerase beta used in to repair DNA when thymine dimers form from uv rays, so why dont you explain to us non-computer geeks what it is?

[CyberSentinel]

http://nelsoned.ytmnd.com/

Blind Lemmings, Wake Up And Open Your Eyes.

[Denges]

these double accounts are getting ridiculous

[butterfinger]

CyberTesticle is just a troll's kunt.

[poos3]

AHHH SO THIS IS THE reason ps3 gets no real beta of block buster games liek battlefield,cod4 and others . well that what u get for making games or buying a ps3 u will suffer worse than this hahaha playbehind

[xboxftw]

So this is what you get for your D3laystation 3.

D3lay B3yond

@buttfinger
well everyone can make names.

[mikeslemonade]

Hey you xflops stay out of this. I wouldn't be talking if i had to wait 3 weeks for a working system to be sent back. PS3 owners don't need to wait that long.

[xboxftw]

Oh the same RROD. That's the best retort you can come up with. How about my xbox360 is an alien? or an xbox360 kidnapped my child? While there has been less and less issues of RRODs with the newer models, we have been seeing the same stories about game delays on ps3 , devs not happy with ps3, or ps3 multiplats are weaker than 360 etc etc. You guys keep saying we won buy rainbow 6, dark sector, MLB, madden, cod4 mappack (due to delay) cuz these are by lazy devs so what do you have in ur library of games?

[Sir Ken Kutaragi 1]

PS3..........PLAY-BEYOND
xBox360....PLAY-BEYOND(THE GRAVE)!!! ;-D
i.e your sad xBox 360 burnt down your house(AGAIN!!!) ;-D

[power of Green]

What do you think happend? did dev servers and real traffic on PSN show PSN's true colors?.

[Herbert tholdpervert]

you mean true power

[juuken]

Lol, the xboys are back on the offensive now! Oh noes! Sony fans have to wait only one day for a beta and already they're flaming!

Oh for crying out loud, go back and play your ninety-nine cents console you brats.

[PopEmUp]

got delay or shut down remember

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

HAHA

[hack6464]

You have no idea what the f*ck you're talking about. This beta is run on KONAMI servers. With a KONAMI ID. This has nothing to do with PSN not able to handle the traffic. THIS IS KONAMI'S FAULT. I agree that they did a sh!tty job anticipating the amount of traffic that they would have however didn't Microsoft f*ck up not to long ago with their servers during Christmas. I believe so!

[lawman1108]

This is really getting too easy.

[Pain]

Wow!??

If it was on xbox live we would have herd on.. CNN:

"MASS Explosion herd around the world as XBOX 2's and Severs Exploded today trying to play a game to much for itself resulted in Mass RROD's and kids Homes burning down the drain on the Fire Department was Huge!!..Many Xbox died.

More on RROD GTA 4 fiasco @ 11

[Condoleezza Rice]

just got harder :(

[jkhan]

What the hell was Konami thinking, if they didn't knew that the open beta will get that kind of response then they just don't believe in the MGS franchise anymore. Everyone knew if you do an open beta in Europe, every one, also those who don't even play online, will come up and play the beta. After all this is Metal Gear game.

[jackdoe]

That's why this is a beta. To perform stress tests on the servers. And guess what, it worked. The tests killed the servers and now they have to perform maintanance. That is what a Beta is supposed to do. Test things, and if things break, fix them. People need to get that through their heads. Beta Test does not equal demo. Beta test does not equal retail product. Beta test may run into snags.

-edit- Sigh. I'm getting real tired of people not realizing what a Beta test is. If you disagree, at least comment why you disagree.

[Condoleezza Rice]

Let's not forget the main purpose of the Beta,which is to test,find,and fix flaws.

[The Closing]

You would think they would know how much traffic their servers could handle by now, and given out the number of codes in accordance. That's just, oh, I dunno... logical.

[ag101]

I agree i think it doesnt make sense that they opened the europe beta to every european and not get ready for it ... its a freakin MGS game

[Tarasque]

Well i disagree jackdoe, A beta is a test of partial version of the game. If you are not even able to play the game then it isn't a beta. The issue is with konami not be ready for the beta, not enough servers or connections issues what ever. But if it was done peer to peer people would be playing right now, might be laggy but they would be able to test the game. But seriously though how many online shooters has konami done? Try none. I was expecting this to happen, and i am also expecting the gameplay to be laggy and have connection issues once it does get going. I hope they prove me wrong, but not so far.

[The Closing]

This is the second MGO.

[The Lazy One]

Exactly. It is a beta, and there will be flaws, but if people can't even get to play the game the major gameplay flaws won't be found. They should have been a little more aware of how many people were going to play it and just restricted the number of people that got in day 1.

[Agriel]

so many whiners lol, you do know the reason for an open beta is not to let people play the game early, its not even so much to test the gameplay (thats more or less done in closed beta or with internal testing) its to test their servers and it seems that its working.

[jackdoe]

Exactly. And guess what? The test worked. It showed the inadequacy of the servers and now they have to fix it. Better for them to perform the proper server maintanance now then launch which some games have done, cough CoD 4, cough.

[Agriel]

TBH I'm glad they took the servers offline till they get it fix. It would be more annoying to try and log in for hours getting an error message or playing for 10 mins and having the game crash. Right now they can focus on the server hub in JP and figure out the problem and then fix them world-wide.

[Xemnas]

What up Unreal?

[shine1396]

yep...those who are saying that it was probably to test the servers, i guess you're right...also it's pretty interesting to know that that many people tried to access them..why not go through psn? gt prolouge managed fine...the last game that made the servers f-cked up was a konami game for me...pes effed up big time... but still, rather now then when you buy it...or when you pay for the service...

[Ggame]

Why (SUCK) Konami didn't prepare for these?
KONAMI should know that gamers around the world want to test this beta.
This's a suck time for KONAMI.

[Solid_Snake666]

reality check ....

[Theo1130]

The Japanese messing up online. I really hope the US And Europe get their betas fast. That is where all the good players are.

[Obama]

Well, I bet Konami didn't expect the game to be this popular. This is a good sign, and mgs4 may have a chance to reach a million units in 1 day worldwide.

The bots above are getting jealous, and I can see the redness in their eyes. Go fornicate your 360 or something.

[ForTheFallen]

I could swear they did...Something about Gold, maybe? I don't know for sure, I'm operating off of memory.

[juuken]

I agree with that. They were taken by surprise with this but hopefully they get these things together.

[kadosho]

Curious what this delay may incur, or include. Some friends from AllGames have been rather patient. Once the beta is live, who knows what fun you MGS fans will enjoy. 2 more days.

[shamon]

thats what sony gets for giving out free beta codes this was in high demand and on top of that making it open to people in the uk. I had to pre order mines just to get in ,it really dont matter to me i pick up my cpopy of gta 4 on the 25 from my low spot .

[Lumbo]

seems you fail at reading comprehension ..

KONAMI = company that runs MGO, including servers and beta handout and failed to run a betatest via their OWN network (id.konami.net anyone??)

Sony = Company that sells PS3 and has run very stable lagfree onlinegames via their PSN

try to get that mesmerized *rolleyes*

[lociefer]

thnx for ruining my day b*tches

[micro_invader]

This kinda sucks, but knowing that its going to make the experience more enjoyable I don't mind. I'll just play some prolouge.

[Bathyj]

This whinning IS really getting out of hand.

Maybe THIS is why Sony are taking there dear sweet time with Home and LBP.

I feel privileged and lucky to be around in this golden age of gaming. You all want everything perfect, cheap and served up yesterday.

I'd suggest a little suffering is in order. Alot of you need to go back and have to load you games for half an hour through a Commodore 64 Tape deck only to have it fail 80% through. It might teach you a little perspective.

[Ikanago]

Konami is putting out a test which (admittedly) serves them from a dev. standpoint, but it also gives all of us the ability to play a kick-ass game months before release. And we WILL play it...just in a few days.

[Skerj]

This is EXACTLY why Home isn't out, if they opened it on a massive scale before it's ready it would crash. Then everyone would be here saying how Home sucks and Sony doesn't know what they're doing.

[Dark General]

No biggie for me. It is a beta to test out the servers and get out some other flaws. This isn't a "sneak peak" per se as much as it is a performance and real setting stress test.

[invoked]

the 360 has poor hardware reliability and an online service renowned for its excellent infrastructure.

the ps3 has poor a poor online service but has great hardware reliability. Hopefully with HOME, comes a better online infrastructure. Obviously you get what you pay for so you shouldn't complain when it's free.

However, I do find it appalling when Xboxlive gets DLC 3 weeks to a month prior to the PSN. i.e COD4 map pack, updates

[Kojima touches kids]

Don't forget Sony's hatred of Europe continues, as CoD4 maps are delayed an extra week in Europe on PSN.

[poos3]

WOW I GOT SWEAT POURING from my head i just woke up had a bad night mare the mgo beta got delayed any other ps3fans have this problem please FEEL free to share your story's on this thread if u had the same nightmares .
ooo WAIT it got canned for , my bad it was reality not a dream play behind .

[hack6464]

Your lack for grammar astounds me. You loose all credibility when you type like that. Hëll, I can't even understand what you are saying half the time. You FAILED!

[Mc187]

That was the sound of your second to last bubble popping.
Now i guess it's time for you to make another account and continue your idiocy under a new moniker.

[invoked]

This better be good. Kill zone 2 is going to have a Beta too.

[radecswe]

yay cant wait for the Killzone 2 beta.

[Fishy Fingers]

More importantly UK???

Is the beta running here??? please help!!

[Ikanago]

They said that they postponed the beta in all places other than Japan at this point. Too many ppl in UK couldn't log on, so they are doing server maintenance and will relaunch it (presumably) in the next several days.

[Fishy Fingers]

Rubbish...

Cheers anyway.

[Jdoki]

ZOMG! A BETA test broke the Konami servers!!

That's the idea! They can now beef up the login and game servers accordingly. This was like a stress test. Sure they may have underestimated the demand, but never the less, the amount of data they must have got from people hammering the servers will ensure a much more robust final product.

It's unbelievable how idiots think they have a god given right to play a game Right Now and even though it's a Beta Test it should still be a perfect product. Please continue the childish foot stamping and tantrum throwing, I'm sure it'll really make Konami sit up, take notice, get on the case and make sure YOU, yes YOU, will get logged in first!!

[Fishy Fingers]

Umm what? Sorry we cant be quite as perfect as you.

Im sorry I want the Beta to start on the day it was promised, Im sorry I sat infront of my PC all weekend trying to get ID's for me and my friends because their preparation was a complete joke.
Im sorry the only region working is Japan, even though they've head the closed beta for months, Im sorry their beta has been extended and ours hasn't, even though ours is late starting.

Yeah, Im sorry I bothered.

[Jdoki]

This has nothing to do with being 'perfect'. It's just the realities of life. People don't always get what they want, when they want it.

These things happen. Just as the Halo 3 beta was delayed for Crackdown owners because of some issue.

If you wasted a day trying to get an ID, then that's your prerogative. I can understand some people's disappointment - but it's not as if you've paid for anything. It's a beta test, for free, designed to find out where problems are so they can be fixed. Guess what? They found the first problem... the servers can't handle the load!

Companies live and learn. The only way Konami could have won this situation is of they released a perfect beta with no faults at all - but that's not called a beta, that's called the final product!

[The_Con-Sept]

This is some serious bull man. I've been trying pretty much all night and I checked N4g after each hour.

Now that this is posted I guess I can finally give up on Konami as a publisher.... Hideo Kojima is awesome but Konami has just received -250,000 points of Honor in my book.

I think they underestimated MGO's popularity among the PS3 user base. Shame on them man.

[Ikanago]

Yeah...but really, millions of people from all over the world flooded their servers (not to mention that the UK subscriptions were unlimited unlike NA / Japan). So...to be fair, there really wasn't a lot they could do.

Heck, all of Xbox Live's downtime started around X-Mas as a result of millions on the COD4 servers. This sorta stuff happens.

[pp]

hahaha i like it when things don't turn out right for sony bots .right back to playing cod4 on XBOX LIVE

[liquidsnake]

yup couse that's about all you'll be playing this year.

[ForTheFallen]

Notice he doesn't respond??

[tweaker]

I'm glad this happen during the beta. It would suck if this exact thing happened to the retail release. Now Konami can properly address this issue and fix the problem. :)

[DesertWolf]

Why couldn't they have atleast had a offline multiplayer part? or even some small single player solo mission?... anyways back to playing COD4

[Jdoki]

How quickly the Xbots forget their screaming, shouting and gnashing of teeth over the Halo 3 beta delay for Crackdown owners!!

[xboxftw]

A couple of days, over a year back? yes we forgot. WE had COD4 beta, BF:BC beta to drown our sorrows int.

How about, how long you've been waiting for games like haze, LBP, mgs4, FFsomething, GT5, Kz2 etc etc ? Not to mention the "the uber application 2nd life wanna be HOME". And did u forget the promises of 4D 120fps @ 1080p promises? or games blowing 360 games from day one? or rumble last gen so next gen is suxaxis?

[RealTimeWeaponChange]

lmao. you're comparing 1 day without halo to this? LOL. face it, PSN is trash.

[ForTheFallen]

This is becoming habitual. Let's go in order.

@xboxftw-You see, your the problem with gaming. All you want are negative things to happen to opposition, not positive to allies. You name off all those games...That must have took you abit, huh? I mean, there's so many of them coming out this year...So I'm willing to wait.
Remember this; The most dangerous soldier is the most patient.

@realtime-Your picture is weird. I suggest you check your facts before you post, as the Servers are that of KONAMI and NOT PSN, but until you do so, stfu.

[Jdoki]

@xboxftw
Yes, I remember those days. Can't recall playing either BF:BC or CoD4 beta's at the time of the Halo 3 beta though. Or was 'waiting' for those beta's enough for you? And here I was thinking only PS3 owners were happy to wait!

@RealTimeWeaponsChange
Your amazing fanboy ability to read context in to something is working well I see. I'm not comparing a 24hour delay to this at all.

What I was referring to was the crying, screaming and foot stamping tantrums of 360 fanboys. The threats of law suits against MS because they had spent money on an a very average game, just so they could play a beta.

And now here you are getting your facts all muddled up. PSN may not be perfect, but this has nothing to do with it. It's all Konami in this case.

[DomUltra]

I love how every one of the Xbot's is a dumbass, It has nothing to do with PSN, lmfao, ḟucking idiots lawl, anyway, Halo 3 was delayed 2-3 days, so this situation is directly similar.

[RealTimeWeaponChange]

oh, but it does have to do with PSN. if PSN didn't suck so bad, they wouldn't even be in this boat in the first place. Why aren't they uses PSN for the beta?

oh, they can't. awwwww.

[Kain81]

oh man i cant wait for MGS4+MGO.
This game is hotter than Hot

[kazuma]

the article talks about us servers...what about european ones?

[Snukadaman]

Indeed this is a beta and not the retail game..but honestly...the servers are not able too hold up the traffic...talk about battered wife syndrome.....this has been a week of absolute bad news for sonys biggest game...and it can only get better...but after seeing these problems and even kojima san himself saying he is disappointed in mgs4 it doesn't bring any hope for the final version too be fixed since they have had plenty of time too iron out the kinks....stories like this justify my Not buying a ps3 and waiting for the ps4.

[xboxftw]

Sorry hit disagree by mistake. But gave u bubbles :D

Edit: LOL @ realtime

Correction: PS3 + PSN = Expensive muthfking Garbage

[heyheyhey]

nice way to blow things out of proportion retard

Kojima bashes every game he makes, its just his style and look how tha turned out- he made 3 of the best games known to man and he also managed to make an excellent mecha series on the side

whatever, how about we'll talk when the reviews roll in eh?

[Snukadaman]

You can defend and analyze everything you want heyheyhey..the man himself says the cell wasnt strong enough too get his true vision...he actually said in interviews way before that the ps3 was capable of doing everything he wanted to...now reality kicked in...i love how you sony apologists try too say since he is a perfectionist he bashes his own games...wrong..he is bashing the ps3..read the article idiot.
http://kotaku.com/381412/ko...

[Turbo Teddy]

Its the same with the EU servers. Tomorrow at 8 CEST they will come with an announcement about whats gonna happen.. And the Beta period have been extended to 11/5 - just as USA and JPN

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

The Beta's expiration has always been May 5th for the US.

Also, does a November expiration for the Beta scare anyone else? Come on guys. Think logically here.

[perils]

NO! use your noggin mate! its 11th of may! not november 5th (day comes first in europe as in day/month/year) so 11/5/08. cmon think logically here

[Fishy Fingers]

Oops, nvm.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

November though? Seriously?

Guys...if MGS4 is delayed until next year...we're all going to FREAK!

[Brandon]

you know that 11/05 means 11 may and not 5 november?

[Vandan]

Look People THis was a BEta BEtas r held so that flaws can be determined even though this was a big fk up at konamis End this whole affair was.
We should be hapopy that it happened sooner rather than latter.

I mean guess what would have happened if this would have happened At MGS4 Launch day...!!!

Letrs hope konaami gathers its self and comes out strong.

An BTW we should admire that they are using dedicated servers because if they wanted to they just could have used a peer 2 peer system to deal with the traffic but they want quality online gaming.

Dont forget DEdicated sevrers RULE ......:)

ARIF

[strembones]

How could they underestimate how many people would want to play this. Did they not go on any forums or news sites in the past ohhh 3 months? Everyone outside of Konami knew this beta was a monster and they just plain dropped the ball it sounds like

[RealTimeWeaponChange]

LoL

PS3 + PSN = Garbage

[Herbert tholdpervert]

LoL

RealTimeWeaponChange+xtrash= jack@ss xbot

[hack6464]

Why do you even bother posting. Why don't you go play your sh!tbox. Oh...wait...you probably can't cause it hasn't came back from repairs yet. That makes sense.

HEY GETPWNT, GTFO!!!

[Vandan]

That is true but still IT was a BETA they Should not have opened it top the public @ uk Speically if they wanted to go dedicated servers...

Any wayz i still say it happened for the best.

**HIT HApPENS :P
The timming is important :P

BTW XBOTS SHOULD Remeber that they never get dedicated servers any way so they should their wholes :P

[mightydog01]

thats it blame us uk is its our fault the servers crash... If you got it like uk FREE on psn would you blame us again........And what about usa thats got japan accounts getting japan beta then uk beta you sound BS.....no one is to blame its a beta and now konami is going to sort it out....

[perils]

the thing that pi$$es me off is ive got the day off today! who knows when thatll happen again! :(

[THC CELL]

so if this would to happen on xbox u would cheer ?

x box fans dont realize this game is on very high demand

How about me still cheering this is a ps3 exclusive and u
have to buy a ps3 to play this game

POG i bet u have a ps3 i bet u are sat here waiting for this game
if not why are u here??
take u are wanting to bash the ps3 cause u have nothing better to do
i will send you some money man and u can go discover playboy mags if u like i hear people like u will enjoy pulling ya c0ck on them
OH wait u do that for the x box 360 all ready lol

[Snukadaman]

Most of you droids laughed also..chin up.

[xcmike]

do you think it will sell more than Cod 4??

[ForTheFallen]

But CoD was a multiplat so it's unlikely.

[SL1M DADDY]

Nuf said.

[solidt12]

Well i am upset. I Lost sleep and spent alot of time trying to make sure i can get into the beta then they postpone it on the day it is suppose to launch. next time I won't even bother until I here everyone is actually playing it.

[Turbo Teddy]

Play.. A video have surfaced.. So the beta worked, but the servers just couldn´t cope with the demand, a bit curious to see how they plan to fix the problem :P

[Turbo Teddy]

in % of the intstallbase then YES!! I think that a lot more PS3 owners will buy MGS4 than COD4. Its an PS3 exclusive and its the Playstations Halo. Its 20 years gaming history at an final.. Its gonna be GREAT :D

[SYSTEMS-at-WAR]

Finally they've said something... why isn't this on their site? Anyways, now I can finally give up signing in. A bit disappointed, yes, but I can wait it out and am still ecstatic about the Beta!

[wizerd]

but dont worry a day or so wont kill me o and btw the mgo sign up pgae is running much more smmothly now just signed up with zero probs http://id.konami.net so any one who hasent signed up yet i would snap to it

[juuken]

I think the Lemmings are running chicken here. This game may be bigger than anything in your upcoming collection, along with Metal Gear Solid 4 so I would...uh run for the hills once more if I were you guys.

[Doctor Strange]

Good thing this happened now rather then later.

We did get an extended beta because of this too, just have to be a bit more patient thats all.

[Wildarmsjecht]

For crying out loud. You can hate the ps3 all you want. You can be a rabid fanboy to your hearts content. But for the love of all that is great, get you friggin facts straight.

"OMGSZ!! Psn SucXKs!!! It can't handle the many millions of people wanting to play a game they'll most likely buy!! forget the fact that it'll sell hella well the beta brokez buheaguhg"

The servers are ran by Konami. Not sony, not the PSN. That right there shuts you the feck up. Then, I loooooooooove the way you ignore the obvious fact that you made yourself about how popular this game is. Seriously..before, you guys actually had abit of facts and knowledge to back up your tripe.

[juuken]

Their immaturity astounds me. I will admit there's some Sony fans who act a bit immature as well but not as BAD as these rabid termites.

[LONEWOLF231]

Man this is BULL!

So the Beta wont end till the 11th rather than the 6th, so it means that we will have to wait another week till the beta starts?!?!?!?!?!?

Good job on dropping the ball KONAMI, while the Japanese gamers enjoy this game WE have to sit around and wait!!!!!!!

[Garrison]

Looks like these guys are such rookies when It comes to online play, they can't even get their act together:
An update that takes forever to download,
Ridiculous sign in and login requirements..
Limited beta time
Yep, these guys know nothing about online play hence they are acting unprepared and inexpirienced, and this WILL carry in to the game fellas. MGS:O is gona suck big time unless these noobs start investing into having the proper equipment and even then it's still gonna most likely suck.

[moujahed]

To all of you who are saying that PS3 and the PSN is garbage because the beta is delayed should use your brains.

Japan has their beta working, because obviously they were prepared and knew their people were gonna play.

As far as US, & UK... you got alot of impatient morons who would create 5 Konami ID's, pre-order more than one copy of MGS4 just to sell the others, and or have multiple serial codes just in case.

This is what's making the servers crash, it seems like most Americans don't have any patients. WTF is wrong with you all?? I know there are alot of crappy games for PS3, but it's not that serious... Plus how can you complain when the Beta's free and they extended it another 5 days!

Ontop of that... IT's NOT PSN because I CAN STILL LOG ON THE PSN!!!

P.S. if the PSN is garbage... Then what makes of XboxLive (a paid service) for being down for weeks a few months back??

[Rugludallur]

bubbles for you for making a good point and speaking the truth.

[Snukadaman]

so your saying that since konami didnt use the psn, sony is not to blame for any of these problems...no sony is to blame for all these problems...dont think for one minute all the blame lies solely on konami...if things were much better on psn right now im sure konami would of used their resources..sadly there are none....man you sony apologists really are grasping at straws with some of your arguments this week.

[4cough]

Kojima is disappointed with with ps3.

Im repeatedly disappointed with ps3.

[Jdoki]

Probably handy that you don't own one then!

[MrBii]

I feel sorry for all those who were born stupid. Its not your fault that you are stupid but its your fault for not seeing the signs.

It was fairly clear that the servers couldnt handle the demand. It was obvious with the update and with the ID. You should have seen the beta delay coming. This is a good thing btw, because they now found out what their first problem is when the real thing launches.

This is a beta. Not the real game. Not the real shiat. They do not own you anything in anyway. You dont have a right to play beta. Playing beta is a privilegde. This isnt a demo. Its a BETA.

I went to bed early cos I knew it was either gonna be real laggy or just simply gonna get delayed. YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN THE SIGNS.

[m-s-8-2]

I dont get it. It's a beta, not a retail version the game. Why are people whining?

[LONEWOLF231]

Why, you ask??

Thats a simple answer to a simple question!
Cause many like me wanted to play this BEFORE GTA4 hits the streets, cause once it does, most if not all hours of gaming will be put into that game!

[m-s-8-2]

That's the problem. You test, not play, a beta. that's the purpose.

it isnt there for your enjoyment, to pass the time til GTAIV hits. its the developers asking for help.

[LONEWOLF231]

The beta is mainly to Test and ENJOY that future game or product!
And to say that the Beta is not for ones enjoyment is just plain foolish!

[mariusmal]

what a clusterf@ck konami. keep it going. all your games were terrible online with bad servers and lagfests.

[N4M3L355]

With (possibly) the biggest game in history being released next week, they better get busy. Metal Gear Online will be on the back burner once GTA comes out.

[Mr_Showtime1]

it does show us that there is most certainly a strong demand for MGS, on top of that it shows how many PS3 users that are sick to death of call of duty 4!

[tmarshall11]

Ye a beta is there for testing purposes, etc, but we all just were looking forward to play, ye we should have thought it mite not work cos its a beta, but u dnt think about that becos its metal gear, you think about playing it, not thinkin of the bad things that cud happen

[Infernus]

To test the game out in every sense, which includes the online infrastructure and the server load before the game comes out.

Now Konami can fix the servers now ready for the tremendous load they'll have in a few months.

To everyone in the Beta, you're helping Konami out and working with them. It's not like a game with a set release date, it's Konami's pre-release testing ground and those in the Beta should be grateful for being in it in the first place. You're helping Konami prepare for the full game release so the more that goes wrong now the better tbh, that way they can fix it before MGO arrives in everyone's houses...

[DOOMZ]

Nationalism at its finest!

[Ballsacteebaghow]

Sony! Can you do sh*t right!

I love how these PS3rd fanf@gs call the 360 the lagbox and now look at this huge mess. The most waited for game! is now broken.

BTW morons i don't want MGS4! The PS3rd can keep it.

Pfft.

[moujahed]

^ your offensively retarded. If your gonna bash something, atleast know what the hell your talking about. Sony has nothing to do with MGO beta you idiot.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Wait a sec, I said wait, wait a min, wait, waaait I never had a chance to love you, I been waiting for a girl like you, wait up, waiting for the bus, wait forever, keep waiting, wait some more, waitstation 3, Waiting For A Miracle, waiting on a train, waiting while waiting, wait for me, I'll be waiting right here, wait till 08, it's wait till 09 now, wait someday, I been waiting soooooo long, can't wait anymore, Xbots don't get to wait............ just keep waiting Droids it's what your best at :)

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Just wait a minute here now..

Just wait..

Hold on now!

Whoaaaa wait

wait
wait
wait

LOL

This is kinda fun

[timmyrulz]

There is no way on this planet you can state that mgs series are the best 3 games on this planet, for a start off the Splinter cell series outdid them in every department (apart from the bizzare long storyline), MGS1 was a brilliant game, no question, MGS2 was average at best and MGS3 was good, but not a patch on Spintercell Caos theory.

[Jdoki]

Just a slight correction.. He said '3 OF the best'. not 'THE 3 best'

Personally I thought MGS on PSX it's remake on GameCube were fantastic and more fun than any of the Splinter Cell games I've played to date.

MGS2 was garbage. Mainly because of the storyline and bosses. Hated Raiden as well.

MGS3 was a nice return to form.

MGS4... We'll soon know.

[hack6464]

ARE YOU ON CRACK? You're honestly making yourself believe that the SC series is better than the MGS series. You've got to be f*cking kidding me right? Have you even played any of the MGS games? No, wait, don't answer I already know you haven't.

[timmyrulz]

Although i never played msg on the gamecube, i misread what heyheyhey typed, my bad

[shadowboricua]

People keep calling on whiners and stating that this beta is free and so and so on..... This is the attitude that is keeping us from getting what we deserve. "So we are in a stupid war in Iraq", oh well, what can we do?... We spend $80 billion a day on the war against terrorism, don't whine, it is jut $80 billion... Cablevision now decided to charge for internet usage by the bytes downloaded - "Oh well, they have the right to do so".. THAT'S IT??? NO WHINING... WE NEED WHINERS... Well, first, I would not call this a free beta... At least 99% of the users with a voucher had to pay $5 for it (even if it goes towards your copy MGS4, it is still $5 for the voucher) with the hope of playing the beta. Konami already made millions selling the vouchers to the hopeful beta players. Now they have to give what they said they were going to give. Anyway, hopefully we will be enjoying the beta tomorrow, but come on people. Don't whine about whiners... If you all whine and complain we might get what we deserve and want!

[iiprotocolii]

For the whining, let us call upon the billions of women who will be more than eager to do so in our cause for MGS4O.

[dsolomon818]

personally I think this is no big deal, people rant that it should have been expected, but mistakes happen. Looking at the cost aspect, servers cost money, technicians cost money, upkeep costs money, more than likely even with all the keys that were made available, and even with the uk being open, someone made a conservative estimate of how many people would actually take the time to play. And that estimate was way off. The desire for this game is huge, the hype has been huge, and the amount of people clammering to play the online component is a testament to the popularity of the series. Give them time to get more servers up, and then take out your frustration on all the noobs that are going to be online.. I sure will.

[aiphanes]

The final game will probably use the PSN service so it can work...Look all awesome PSN online games had problems in the past...warhawk...resistance fall of man....GT5....they all had online issues when they were in beta of when they first started out...but you know the PSN network has never crashed...unlike Xbox live which has crashed before.

The PSN network is stable...Konomi did not use the PSN network for their beta test....they will in the future...

[The Lazy One]

They should have randomly selected like 5k people from every region according to who signed up, then let them play now. The Japan only thing is a little more upsetting than the fact that it's delayed. Pick some random people, let them play, and then slowly add people as you get more servers to run it.

I guess they don't want to piss off the Japanese though. They're missing a huge opportunity not getter any american/euro bloggers/media in on this. They'd get a lot of publicity over it.

[SSJSubgeta]

Japanese customer service is one of the finest I ever experienced.
They are most courteous to their customers its not even funny.
Comparing this to my customer service when I lived back in the US, this is heaven. They treat you like royalty.

Take an example, a train on the JR Yamanote Line was 30sec. late and people were cursing the jebus out of the train conductor telling him off in every Japanese curse word in existence. JR customer hot line was flooded with complaints and it was even on the news that same day.

[Savior X]

I mean on the week of GTA 4? I would be conflicted if MGO was awesome and GTA 4 was too!!??!?!? Arrg!! So i don't really mind anymore, take your time, make it right

[PistolPumptMonk]

anyone else out there try to connect like 100 times at midnight?? haha i feel kind of dumb now but i guess i should have seen this coming. I hope they can get the beta out before gta4 though, or i won't know what to do with myself. hope to see you guys in the beta soon!

[dsolomon818]

100X...LOL try 5x that. up, x, o from 12am to 2am. had ps3 on 1/2 the screen and watching tv on the other half just waiting to get in. thought too many people crushing in at once and i was determined to squeeze in....i'm a tool

[SSJSubgeta]

I completely understand your feelings and wanting to play this game.
You guys blaming Sony and Konami, when its your own fault. Yes you're own fault. Why? Thats simple you mass flood a Japanese web site in order to play a beta for some other region not designated to you. So yes you made their site go down and cause this problem. I don't want to point fingers but its true all of you who registered and do not reside in Japan. Did you even stop to think "hey what if there was not so many sing ups, would it have been running by now?" Yes it would of. To even comprehend the only reason you wanted in on the beta was just to play it, I don't think the majority of you would have taken the time to even bother summiting a bug or glitch. You just wanted to play. I don't blame you for that, but thats not how a beta works. It happened with Bad Company too, many people registered and look at what happened. Don't even go pointing who is to blame. When you should know whos fault it really is.

[PistolPumptMonk]

so for those of us who preordered mgs4 on APRIL 1ST in order to make sure we got a code... what were we supposed to do, not try to sign up before the beta launched?? isn't that the point? i'm sorry but if a company makes a promise about something and they don't deliver, i hardly think that that is the consumers fault. don't get me wrong, i love konami and kojima is the best ever, but its not our fault their servers weren't ready for this.

[iiprotocolii]

I don't really think you can blame people for servers going down. If Konami announced MGS4O Beta, then I'm guaranteeing that they knew the amount of traffic it was going to create. They should have been increasing bandwidth or just close the servers until the necessary maintenance was completed to handle the massive amounts of traffic. It's THEIR fault.

You can't put a piece of cake in front of a million starving people and expect for them to wait till you cut a million small pieces. Everyone wants it and they want it now. It's just economics. Supply and Demand.

[SSJSubgeta]

@PistolPumptMonk: You bring a valid point for the the ones who reserved, but thats in the US only. So people who reserved got the DVD as a gift for reserving. Also a beta voucher as a bonus. As far as business practices go Konami nor Sony ever guaranteed you anything to begin with.
If you look closely at your voucher you so called got on your reservation it clearly states in fine print.

"Date of availability subject to change. Konami does not warrant that you will be able to download, connect to or access the beta site. Subject to ESRB Rating, you may need to be 17 and over to participate in MGO Beta."

It is part of the US consumers logging in to the Japanese site to obtain access to a beta designated for the Japanese region. which is wrong.

@iiprotocolii Konami did in fact announce the MGO Beta, I'm sure they knew the amount of traffic for each intended test region region.
The US had a limited amount of DVD's with vouchers so that was a given. But people complained they wanted in and whinnied so much. Konami felt bad so they gave more keys away. Which shows Konami is not a bad company as you make it out to be. Its a fact they do care about their customers, but they are young in the online phase. This is no piece of cake this was to be taken in to phases for each region. Not Japanese beta allowing who knows how many other users from the US/UK in it.It is economics and supply was limited, hence limited time only if you reserved. Unfortunately instead of heading to their local game store and put $5 down. They choose the easy way to be whinny about it and play the blame game.

[sleepbox]

Just imagine, when it comes up, you will all realize how crap the game actually is. MGS3 S was pathetic online and this will be no better. You are all suckers for putting forth any grief for this game .

[PSMonster21]

I sense a jealous xbot.

[whoelse]

So its still running for us in Europe :)

[Adamalicious]

My first thought was "isn't this a closed beta", but really this is the whole point. If they aren't prepared to handle the demand for the beta then they won't be anywhere close to handling the demand for the full game. I think everyone is probably a little short on patience with Konami, but they're doing their best.

[kalioon]

You may find this crazy but so far the MGO beta is a success, it is doing what it is ment to do, and that is find flaws and issues within the game and the systems it uses.

This is the way it works with a beta, ive been in a few, and this is what you have to expect and accept. Its a beta, if it was flawless, they wouldnt be having a beta and it would be a full release.

[Neo604]

this is only a test. U can't ask for too much when it's free. This gonna be big cause everyone is jamming the server.

[ps3 is my champion]

who preordered it, way to not respect my money Konami. Yeah, yea, you can preorder games for $5 bucks..... I for one had the game payed in full for months now. Where's my special treatment, whats that, there is no first class on this flight, thanks for tricking me to get on then telling me in mid flight.

why am I mad?
Answer: I wen't wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy out of my way for zip.

Hopefully we'll all land soon.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

No wonder no developer wants to do their betas on the CRAPSTATION (tm).

And so the fishheads wait again.

Quick break out a RROD story or something stupid like why GTA IV will cause 360's to blow up. STAT!

At least with 360 fanboys we don't have to attack the hypothetical. No big loss anyway since this is nothing but a cheap GRAW/Online Splinter Cell rip-off.

[hi8hlightstick]

You clown. No need to say it, you already have. This is a beta test idiot, go look up the definition. Better yet, get off this post and go back to playing that loud ass Shytbox360(tm). Oh & its actually 360fagboys u added an n rather than a g, must have been a typo???

[champ420]

you said "No big loss anyway since this is nothing but a cheap GRAW/Online Splinter Cell rip-off." MGS was here way before either of those games

[JokesOnYou]

Well didn't Konami drop the ball with their online service for PES 08 too, from what I've read they have alot of problems with their servers running previous games, how can they say they didn't anticipate demand when all they have to do is track the number of beta keys/pre-orders and a rough count of the open betas/registrations downloaded etc, hmmm I know its a beta but I think this is just one more indication that Konami doesn't know what the hell they are doing when it comes to online service. Sony should be alot more proactive in the planning of distributing and implementing MGO beta, yeah I understand its Konami's game but sony should have alot more influence in this whole situation and ready to help in case of server/infrastructure problems.

JOY

[RAM MAGNUMS]

Lets put a 3 year warranty on everything!
Question, what has more life?
A.) Battery
B.) Light Bulb
C.) XBOX 360
D.) Ice Cube
E.) Gold Fish

Answer Here ___________________

Question, BLU-RAY or RED LIGHT???
A.) 50 GIG & HD Disc
B.) Embarrasment

[Garrison]

What makes anyone think they can handle this thing when it's finally open to the public. These guys are complete amateurs, way to go konami.

[JokerSGS]

Honestly this is better that it happened now rather than something like this happening at release of the actual game. Can't wait to get to test the beta.

[Angelitos]

As long as I get to play in the beta.

[CyberSentinel]

KONAMI decides how many people are allowed to stress test "THEIR" servers, by giving out a certain number of invite keys. KONAMI SHOULD of been PREPARED for the number of GUESTS that "THEY THEMSELVES" granted access to said beta. KONAMI FAILED. PERIOD.

[KingKirchner]

well, if so many people are in this beta, then Konami just may make that 1 million first day sales with MGS4.

[Mc187]

It is Konami's fault ,however, the part that used the PSN to sign you up worked flawlessly.
So, like Cyber said, KONAMI'S FAULT.

p.s.
open zone is more fun than the gamer zone

[air1]

funny how sony fans are so tolerant when there games dont go right, but if it was a micro thing we would hear it for days. just funny..

[dsolomon818]

don't know about the rest of the posters here, but I have both systems, and I work full time, so don't have a preference on hardware, and wouldn't have the time to nitpick someone else's choice in game system. That's the part I can't figure out about the "console war", there is obviously a market for both systems.. buy the one you want, or buy both.. its your choice, why waste time out of your day ripping on someone else because they chose another system? It costs so much to make the games now, (and that's not gonna change), that exclusivity is gonna be out the window pretty soon. Developers and publishers will all be jumping to get the game out on both systems to maximize profit and recoup development costs. Yes you'll still get situations like this, where MS forks out a chunk of dough and gets dlc, or a developer will give PS3 earlier release.. just examples.. but seriously, some of you guys sound like you're debating religion or politics. Ok back to your regularly scheduled broadcast

[darthv72]

Based on the notion that countries outside the US use a slightly different scheme for listing a date, I find it odd they have the dates sort of mixed up. Month/Day/year is the US std and this looks like Day/Month/Year.

"1) Starting date: TBA. We will be making another announcement on 22/4/2008 23:00(PDT)
2) Beta Test closure: This will now be on 11/05/2008 at 24:00(PDT) rather than 06/05/2008 at 24:00(PDT) "

By this it looks as if there will be an announcement on April 22nd at 11:00 PM Pacific time. You then look at the other dates as possible being May 11th 2008 for beta closure instead of May 6th.

Is that right? The beta is only lasting less than a month?

[dsolomon818]

yeah most places use day/month/year, beta was always only like 2 weeks.

[darthv72]

At least when I had the cod4 beta I was able to play that up until the game came out. Tried a few times afterward and couldnt get past the main screen. I dont know if this is enough time to really get feedback considering the demand of those wanting to play it. Konami should extend this at least a month and a half. Take all the feedback from those playing to make it better all the way up to the official launch.

[Jason 3 60]

soooo, konami, an outside publisher, releases a beta.. not a demo, and because their servers=fail then its sony's fault? fanboys ftl, mgs4 will rule, and its prolly just broke asses that can't afford both systems making this such a big deal. a couple of days delay isn't isht. ps Ballsacteebaghow can haz tisu plz?

[darthv72]

if this was available on the 360, would the live service be able to handle the load? I was part of the cod4 beta and I was able to jump in and play within seconds of dl the demo.

[dsolomon818]

they already did a proper beta in japan, this was just throwing the fans a bone. they're still setting up psn servers for the real game so konami thought they'd get some more use out of the servers they used for the true beta.. didn't work obviously

[spartan112g]

I get home, turn on my PS3 and 360, and the beta isn't up. So as my PS3 collects more dust because I suck at racing games(GT5: Prologue), I guess I'll play some CoD4, Halo 3, or Mass Effect on the 360. I like my PS3 and all, but there still needs to be better games.

PS. I played this MGS4 at E For All and it was really good. I can't say it was awesome because the Sony representatives were watching us the whole time we played which was really annoying.

[THE DEALER]

Oh what a shame it has been delayed! Now you guys have nothing to play on your sad PS3 consoles. Now go buy yourself a real system.

Xbox 360 all the way......

By the way, if you do some research you will find that Metal Gear Solid is coming to Xbox 360 too. TRUTH! Go do research....PS3 IS SO TERRIBLE!!

[abc123tyler]

As much as I would love it to come to 360, I don't think it is going to happen. KOJIMA has said "no.".....

[MIZLax27]

nice....way to be MGS, way to be

[t-0_ot-]

For some reason.. I sense the hypocrisy of the PS3 fanboys again.
"Konami was surprised with the amount of traffic" Okay.. I can agree with that.. But, what about Live? Was MS not surprised when sooo many people signed up for xBox Live during Christmas?

But, I mean that's not even a good comparison. See, during Live their was a few MILLION people that signed up for Live, along with all the OTHER Live owners. But, I understand, maybe a few million alone crashed Konamis servers, that must be more stressful then dealing with 11 million user on Live..