Epic Games won't ever make a game for the Wii: "we go forward, not back"

When asked whether there would ever be a time when Epic would be forced to give in and create a game for the Wii, Capps said, "no, we go forward, not back. It makes more sense for us to invest in the next-generation tech."

As for why he believes the Wii has become so popular, he says it's like a virus that just keeps spreading

[SUP3R]

Couldn't agree with you more Epic.

[CrazyMystical]

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[chaosatom333]

so that means they will be working on ps3 after they are done with 360 in a few years because 360 will be last-gen by then and ps3 will be the next-gen. lol.

[Bloodwar]

Sadly, Chaosatom, nothing yet since the PS3 has come out has proven that it is next gen. (since the 360 came out first and the PS3 games coming out have not been better than the 360 versions, that makes the PS3 "present gen") The Xbox 360 games continue to be as good or better than their PS3 counterparts, whereas the PS3 versions are as good or worse than their Xbox 360 cousins. You obviously haven't done your research. In closing, I would like to announce to the world that the Wii is last gen, the PS3 is present gen and the Xbox 360 is next gen. lol

[Homicide]

For saying what many don't have the balls to say. I love you Epic!

This is probably the first time PS3 and 360 fanboys can unite and say that only on PS360 can you experience true gaming masterpieces with 1080p HD graphics. With wii, you get 480p and kiddy games.

[etownone]

gotta completely agree with you.

[XGRaViSmOrSX]

the reason 360 games are looking better right now...incase you havent noticed the ps3 gets 360 ports so therefore the code isnt made for the ps3. conversely if you get a ps3 lead platform game ported to 360 i think you will find the same results. better to compare 1st party to first party instead of 3rd party crappy ports....

[GIJeff]

...then what do you call epics UT3 on PS3? its better than GOW on 360(graphically anyways, gameplay is OPINION). do you really believe that when the 360 eventually gets UT3 that it will be better than the ps3? you are on crack. take your fanboy comments elsewhere.

[Bubble Buddy]

Just like in the song: "It's a cheap ps2 dressed up as a mac".

[nbsmatambo]

I mean, they obviously wanna stay up to date on graphics and the Wii can not offer that.

DLC is another thing they like to give out, but unfortunately Wii doesnt have an HDD.

[samfk]

i can understand that nintendo is a mssve franchise yest the game cube was a flop compared to the wii !! man if people are so impressed with a diff controller it makes me wonder!!now im no nintendo hater heres the but !! it can only be bad for tech if the other companies think that cheep gimmicks is the way to go .

[Montrealien]

In other news, water is wet....

DO we care? does it matter? It is stupid to even come out and say this cause anybody with half a brain already knew this...

And speaking of gimmicks, one could argue that high end graphics is infact a gimmick in it's own right. And fanboys, Unite! yes do that, show us the true power of the fanboy!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, what a bunch of loser fanboys! Give them some hell boys, rip em up, show us what being a fanboy is all about, pissing on anything that is what you don't like...

@1.9
Just like in the song: "It's a cheap ps2 dressed up as a mac, that is pwning all the big boys in sales, the mind boggles".

fixed

Fanboy = little videogame fascist

[otherZinc]

It makes me feel great that someone finally says the truth. The Wii is a mom, grandma, granddad, kiddie, one time play through last gen machine.

Thanks for having the BALLS to tell the truth!

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

its not worth doing a game on wii not to even sell.

[Voiceofreason]

Like that ever happens with Wii games.. You fanboys need new material. GH3 on Wii outsold the 360 and PS3 versions.

[pwnsause]

Guitar Hero III is a casual game. its makes sense that soccer moms buy it. thats why it outsold the other versions. now try to sell something thats hardcore oriented. no one on that platform will buy a game thats aimed for the hardcore. look at "No More Heroes". that game was awesome for a wii game. but people didnt buy "No More Heroes", instead they formed the line to buy "carnival games" rofl. you know that wii is a casual platform cause of that. its been like that since nintendo introduced the wiifit last year at E3 and gave the boot to its core group

[jessupj]

I actually laughed out loud when I saw the title. Also the statement about the wii spreading like a virus couldn't be closer to the truth :)

Good on you epic, you've gone up a knotch *thumbs up*

[Montrealien]

soccer moms casual and real gamers > fanboys, who think hardcore means someting.

@ mister pwnsauce

It has been like that since 1984, noob.

[pwnsause]

Montrealien
"It has been like that since 1984, noob."

??? really its been like that? so that means they should be buying games like Okami and no more heroes if it has been like that since 1984. you're an idiot. in 1984 casuals werent thinking about video games at the time until now. have you seen a 74 year old grumpy looking man playing games before the wii? just stop posting, stop failing. I owned every nintendo console since 1984 with the excemption of the wii. NES,SNES,N64,Gamecube. heck and the virtual boy and the game boy systems. and all these consoles had games made for the hardcore. my mom hated video games until the wii, cause she looks at it now as an "excercising machine", those are the casuals that are making third party devs realize that they cant make an adventure game, but a casual driven game like carnival games. lmao.

this console, the wii just took a boot to the core gamer (the hardcore gamer that loved the zelda and mario games) and kicked them in the a@@ out. why dont you watch the E307 nintendo conference so you can see the reception the hardcore audience received when the wiifit was introduced.

[Montrealien]

heehe, cute.

If you define a hardcare gmaer by the ammount of time that is played I will repeat....

noob.

[pwnsause]

noob? for bascially saying that the amount of time played playing a game is depends if you're hardcore or not? then tell me about world of warcraft, when you pay a monthly bill to play a rpg such as warcraft just to play for hours just to get a rare item or complete a quest, is that casual? i think people will just not listen to you if you say thats casual. im not talking to you anymore. stop calling people a noob, dont make this worse for yourself.

[Montrealien]

lol, funny. Go ask that in a WoW forum, they will be the first to tell you that is a casual player. I have been playing wow since launch, I am a proud casual wow player. self-pwnedsauce.

All i`m saying is that Nintendo have been aiming that market since 1984, if you did`nt understand that, what can I say?

I play CoD 4 on the 360 , Team fortress 2 and BF2142/2/1942 + mods and WoW on PC, Gran Turismo 5 on my sexy PS3. Huge Rock band/guitar Hero player and the list goes on and on and on. I will never be a hardcore gamer by your standards yet I know a crap load about games, have been gaming since I got my first Vic 20 and I absolutly hate any form of fanboyism...oh and I run my own little Videogame store here in Mtl.

who the **** am I? a gamer.

Edit: Sorry for calling you a noob.

[pwnsause]

you're not a gamer then, your a gamer who buys games, thus you're a hardcore gamer. hardcore gamers buy games you dumb thats why software attach ratios are higher on the 360 and ps3 than on the wii.

[Montrealien]

I am not a hardcore gamer, labels are for....umm, noobs and teens. I am a guy who like videogames.

sorry for calling yo a noob.....again.

The Wii has good attachment rates, about the same as the Ps3 I believe. The wii is aimed at ALL. Put that in your noggin! And Nintendo have been trying and dreaming of this since the FC came out. That is all.

[Slayer OP]

Im pretty sure most developers feel this way as well.

[Odiah]

I mean, just look at the big guys like Square Enix and Capcom, they aren't making anything for wii.

Oh, wait.

[Voiceofreason]

And I am pretty sure you dont have a clue what you are talking about.

[spandexxking]

or they cant bare to produce anything that they know will look crap or have dodgy controls, yeah thats right im looking at you wiimote!

[Palodios]

Yes and no. While Square makes spinoff games and gaidens, and the like for the ds, psp and the Wii, as does Capcom, and a lot of companies... Where do the big games go? Resident Evil, Devil May Cry, Final Fantasy, Call of Duty, Assasin's Creed, Metal Gear Solid, Grand Theft Auto, Fallout... do I need more? Besides Dragon Quest and Monster Hunter, which are very japanese centered, and the cashcow sonic games, name one big name third-party series that has gone to the wii for its REAL(and numbered) games.

[misterssippi]

@ Odiah
Capcom's big games: Lost Planet, Dead Rising, RE5, DMC4, SF4 (PS360).
Capcom table scraps: Okami (Wiinee)

Square Enix big game: Final Fantasy XI,XII (PS360)
Square Enix table scraps: Final Fantasy Chocobos Dungeon, which is about a cutsie yellow chicken (Wiinee)

[v1c1ous]

harsh D:

[v1c1ous]

while i do agree the wii certainly has been lacking some big name titles and overall power, he should have been more diplomatic about it.

this type of talk, wether you agree with it, does not sound very professional. Mike shouldn't burn bridges he might have to cross in the future, specially after UT3 looked like it was going to be a flop for a while after release. He doesn't know if a nintendo console might have to be his company's saving grace in the future.

and while i agree ps3/360 have certainly more content to warrant them as definitive game consoles of choice, to deny that there are a few gems on wii, some already available and some coming, is ignorant. every console has some worthwhile games, one just has to not be as judgemental about it.

yes, i will admit i have not touched my wii (lol) in months since my 360 satisfies my gamer streak more than enough, but as a hardcore gamer i can justify that the wii is currently not meeting my level of desire as a hardcore gamer, but casuals are living it up. and i must remind everyone, that before someone becomes a hardcore gamer, one first goes their newbie stage. if anything, the wii is the newbie console that will give birth to the hardcore gamer of tomorrow. baby steps mike.

i'd rather someone new to gaming starts off with something easy on wii that's more about substance, than a freaking FPS with cursing and emphasis on gr4ph1x and give them the idea that 4 million shades of brown is what makes up a good videogame.

[e-ray]

If by casuals "living it up" you mean playing Wii Sports every once in a great while, then I agree.

[v1c1ous]

would you rather have someone whose first game was wii sports decide to be your teammate online for his 2nd game ever or someone new to vidgames period? :)

lesser of two evils?

[Panthers]

Glad to hear someone say it.

[shanbcn]

It doesn't matter if you are Xbox fan or PS fan, one thing is clear we must get rid of WII at any cost if we want to continue enjoying great games with great stories. If WII continues like this then in next gen Sony and Microsoft will have to make average console which can make profit from day one just like WII is doing right now.

[Panthers]

And Wii games have no story. I really dont see what is so great about Mario Galaxy. Who cares why the princess is gone or you have to jump around on planets.

BTW my little cousin beat SMG in one weekend. He was 10. I mean when a 10 year old can beat the biggest game on the Wii in 2 days on a rental, then why is it so great? Why do so many adults love it? GROW UP!

[Pacifist]

grow up huh? its sad that most of today's gamers think violence is what games should be about. please stop being so narrow minded panthers and give SMG the chance it deserves. hate the wii all u want but not the SMG its really fun if u give it a chance

[Panthers]

When did I once say the word Violence. I said the game is easy enough for a 10 year old to beat in one weekend and that it has no story.

Although I never minded a little violence ;)

[Rute]

Yes, you didn't mention violence, but aren't platforms what platformers are all about? I mean, what could have been bigger and more appropriate innovation in a Mario game than spherical platforms? Squirting water with FLUDD in Super Mario Sunshine was definitely a lame invention, though I have to admit that I haven't played the game.

I'm not saying that your opinion is wrong, it's just that I think Miyamoto and the team made commercially speaking the right decisions and produced a true Mario game with great innovations.

I don't fully agree with what you said about the difficulty of SMG either. I've heard that it's actually very difficult to get all the 120 stars and Luigi as a playable character, and for one to say that he/she has truly passed the game, finding all the 120 stars is the requirement.

What *I* would like to see is a dark and moody Mario game with washed out colors and grotesque characters. The starting point would be something like this: Mario the poor plumber fixes pipes in a crazy drug addict's (Toad) house and happens to find weird mushrooms in the WC. He tastes them and starts hallucinating. He then realises that the toilet is a portal to a different reality and jumps in, and soon Mario finds himself in the Mushroom Kingdom. To an old and deviant Mario fan like me, that would just be the bob-omb of a concept.

[Ivix]

@Panthers: I bet he didn't get all 120 stars. If he did, then tell us about the other games he beat in a weekend that are on your console of choice.

[mindedone]

Is that your qualification for beating a game for EVERY game? That you need to have 100% completion? I'd hate to think the only game I ever beat was Mario 64

[Rute]

Not necessarily, but I think that unlocking Luigi in SMG is comparable to unlocking all fighters in a fighting game. What's more, it's the result for collecting all the units of the key object class in the game.

To clarify my thoughts on this matter: For one to say that game X doesn't pose enough challenge for a player, he/she should logically refer to every objective in the game. If the person is referring only to the part of the game that helps one making the point, he/she can be justly accused for faulty reasoning and the use of tautology. Maximum penalty for that is calling the guilty a casual player and/or n00b.

[Tony240ZT]

As you get closer to that 100% of completion it's like a sliding scale of less valuable content. Some game offer very little added valuable content past say 60% completion, it's just not worth your time because there are many other games that you haven't played yet worth your time playing in that 40% of grinding.
I just beat FF7 Crisis Core tonight on the PSP, what a wonderful game! I only did 40% of the side missions, and I didn't get a couple DMW reel summons, which would have been very interesting to have (each have an awesome FSV). Perhaps I'll play through it again since you can start over with all of your items, but honestly, how fun is that when there is tons of new content coming soon with GTA4!?

[trolling b1tch]

u guys do need 2 grow up, not becuase mario doesnt have violence, but becuase its the same thing eversince super mario bros. grass, lava, bowser, turtle, cave, ice, water, sky, castle, yoshi, jump, power up, easy boss, missisng princess... its the same thing since u was a child, u need 2 grow up and relise that these ppl are reusing the same concept, and are getting away with it. unlike ratchet and clank with devs that are original and try with a story, and look what happens 2 them. even metal gear solid 4 or gta 4 cant top mario wtf is that???????????

[marichuu]

Because games are all about graphics these days...
Speaking of going forward... what the hell is UT3? It's still the same game since the first one, what a joke, Epic.

[spandexxking]

and i wouldnt have it any other way.

[wow4u]

The Wii lacks in far more than just graphics.

Physics, AI, network play for starters.

The Wii isnt just a graphics lightweight. It is giving Wii too much credit to say so.

The Wii is one thing: Gimmick.

If (when..) Sony and/or Microsoft releases a motion control, they'll start to drink Wii's 3rd party milkshake.

[nbsmatambo]

its not the same game -.-

it has better graphics, new guns...umm...umm

[jessupj]

Graphics are just graphics and have nothing to do with the gameplay but they still do effect the gameplay. You can't deny that when you're playing gears or mass effect or rachet and clank or drake's fortune that the detail really makes the game that much more interesting and you feel a lot more immersed, you might even feel moved by the largescale picturesc landscapes. That's what makes games fun for me.

However as we know a lot of people can't or don't have the capacity to appriciate content like that. Of course it's not bad thing to only enjoy casual games, I just don't think a lot of wii owner's are genuin. I know all of you on here are geniun though. But it is a fad, even schools and jumping on the fadwagon.

I want to see people buying wii's because they are passionate about gaming, not because everyone else is doing it.

[marichuu]

@7.3
Does it? Does it really have new guns? All I've noticed is modified damage by the different weapons.
@7.4
Of course graphics do have an effect on the gameplay, but when people try to tell that a game is good, most of the time it's just "THIS GAME IS AWESOME, GREAT GRAPHICS!"... that just doesn't tell me anything about how good the actual game is.

I don't have a Wii...yet... but I don't think it's fair to bash something just because it's attempting something new and different.

It's sad to see that eyecandy means a lot more than it should these days.

[LaChance]

nothing wrong with the wii.
Nintendo's doing their thing. Congrats to them.
The Wii isnt fo us , its for young kids, girls , moms , dads and the elderly.
So there's no reason to hate on the wii so much.

Anywy it was either the Wii or Nintendo goes bankrupt.Blame the Xbox and PS2 for the Wii not Nintendo.

[heyheyhey]

thats a sterotype

it can be for us too, when you play games like Resi, Metroid Prime, Zelda etc

[Maldread]

But for the games industry as a whole i don`t see the Wii as just a negative impact.

It will get more people in to gaming, and could after a while get them into playing more "advanced" games on a PS3 or 360 as well. Perhaps that`s more wishful thinking on my part, as the hardcore games dosn`t do as well as they should on the platform, but i do think it will expand the games industry.

I could also help combat medias seemingly always negative image of games, and show that not all games are the evil span of Satan himself as some (Jack Thompson etc) will make it out to be.

I won`t be getting a Wii myself, because i see it as an enhanced (and very expensive) Eye Toy. Fun for a short while, but nothing more than that. I agree with Epic`s president Mike Capps, i still havn`t see that one game that will make me buy one. I tried RE4 on it, but i though it was better to control on the PS2.

If others wan`t a Wii though, i`ve no problems accepting that. It just dosn`t appeal to me. Running people over in GTA4 and proving games (and myself) can be the evil span of Satan however, does appeal to me ;)

[perseus]

Great points, and you're right that the Wii doesn't exactly have a long life for people who game more regularly. But it's great for a fix when you get sick of Tower Defense and Solitaire.

[Maldread]

Yeah i can see that. I do think if i got a Wii, it would just be collecting dust in s short while, because i need my dose of Metal Gear or Final Fantasy lot more (not that they come that often though, as they take years to develop hehe). I think if the right game for the Wii came along, i could maybe buy it, but that game still isn`t there for the Wii in my opinion.

I havn`t tried Mario yet though, so maybe i should shut up until i do hehe, but i guess what i`m trying to say is that i need big, serious games like Metal Gear or Final Fantasy on my platform, not "just" 15 min of fun. I`m sure Nintendo`s first party games will be great fun, but they alone isn`t enough and i don`t see enough variation in the games from them or others. They need their Metal Gear or Final Fantasy for me to get interested.

The Wii is definitely something else than PS3 or 360 though, so i do think it`s a bit unfair to compare it to those too, but i just don`t see it`s value at it`s current price.

Still, thanks for your response and i see that you made a good post below me, so bubbles incoming for you :)

[perseus]

I'm one of those people who enjoys games like Wii Sports/Mario and Sonic as well as games like GT5 and COD4. The Wii is good for me for what it does, because my wife has no interest in FPSs, but likes the Wii, and won't let me buy lots of killing games what with the kid around.

Anyway, bubbles right back at ya. I like when people make sense.

[Maldread]

That`s true. I guess Microsoft got it right with the Wii+360 combination. If one does get one, it will be the combination with either 360 or PS3, at least for people like me. So, i can understand the sales it`s getting, because you can "add" it to either of the two others.

As of this minute, i just think the Wii isn`t worth it`s money as an mini-game platform. I know i shouldn`t expect a game on Wii like Metal Gear or something, and instead a "just" fun kind of game. But i want both experiences on one platform, which is why i`ll pick up a PS3 for GTA4 or MGS4, because i see LBP on the way too. If other developers than Nintendo actually start making good games for the platform, and not necessary Mario-type games, more mature genres like Horror or something would be cool (even though that`s not what people would call mature hehe), then maybe i`ll pick up a Wii. Until then...

I just can`t help to think that they should`ve had a more powerful hardware in the Wii, to get some "new" experiences in their games too, or at least the opportunity for developers to do so. In the end i do think they need their hardcore games too, because the causal audience has a tendency to change with the times.

Still man, enough rant from me. Enjoy your Wii ;)

[perseus]

One reason I like the Wii, is because I am grown up. I don't have time to play video games for three hours anymore. I have a couple of things that you may not have though, like a job, a wife, a kid, and real-life friends.

I like my other console too, but I just don't have time to play it that often. The Wii gives me my gaming fix until I can get a chance to sit down for an hour with the big boy.

EDIT:

No problem, my crap isn't worth buying. But a quick check of my profile will reveal to you that I'm not on here that often, and when I am, it's usually when the family is asleep. Like now.

Seriously, I'm full of it. But I am busy.

[Dmack79]

And yet, you have the time yo be on the forums and check the out gaming news, reviews, trailers, and more. Seriously I'm buying your load of crap, sorry. o_0

[PS360WII]

eh whatever he just saying that for his own engines sake. From a business standpoint he's saying what he needs to say to sell more UE3. Great PR put still only PR.

[SUP3R]

But UE3 is compatible with the Wii and some game developers have used the tech for a few Wii games.
He just doesn't like the system in his personal opinion.
If they didn't make their engine work with the system then I would say it's PR/Marketing BS.

[PS360WII]

this is like Valve not wanting to work with PS3. So I do believe this is just plain old PR. Sure Epic will let you buy their engine for a price and tool it around to work on the Wii if you would like but don't forget your checkbook

[GrammarPolice]

Companies are in business for one reason: to make money. The Wii is stomping all over the competition in terms of sales. Not tapping into that install base seems a bit shortsighted to me. Even if they put together a small development team or contracted out for one to release a title under their name, they stand to potentially make a whole lot of money. I don't believe this guy, and I expect to see something from them for the Wii in the next year.

[titntin]

Rubbish. Third party games sell almost nothing on the WII, thats an absolute fact, and much debated by the industry.

Any of the Dev house that want to make money from the WII's extraordinary success are having to create new departments or dev house's to develop 'casual' style games and yet more party games, and you can see evidence of this from all the big dev houses.

If a company like Epic, who have expertise in the tech heavy games we have played for years, want to suddenly produce party games and casual titles for the masses on WII, they would need to restructure and hire some different devs.

They are simply making a good business move for them - they develop tech heavy good games, and make money selling that tech to other companies. Why on earth would they try and restructure what they do to release low tech casual games, when all the evidence says that no one buys third party game on Wii anyway. They make plenty doing what they do well and its a wise business move for them to concentrate on their proven strengths.
Nintendo can continue to dominate the kids and grannies market, while the money hungery vulture devs - like E.A. and UBisoft - desperately try and figure out how to break into that totaly different market.

[nbsmatambo]

but how many successful 3rd party games have u seen on Wii so far (give me 10 at least)

[OJ_juice]

Nintendo really had no choice but to do this. If they just did what everyone else did, they would go bankrupt and not make consoles anymore. They really had to do this to get back in the game. I don't care if wii wins this console war. Sony should be right behind them forllowed by sh*tbox.

[superman]

Loads of bitter people on this site. The Wii must really bother you.

[perseus]

Well, the one thing I've learned on this site is that no matter which systems I have, I have the wrong ones.

That's made me pretty bitter. :-)

[marichuu]

@perseus
Do as I do... don't say "I have X system and I think it's a bit better than the Y system"
oh wait... that won't help, because as soon as you say something bad.. or good in this case about a system, you'll get a ton of disagrees from the fanbots, yes, bots...

[solar]

the wii doesnt bother me...since i searched for 2 months trying to find one...its the lack of good games. it seems developers are throwing crap at it seeing what sticks. hell what were those two games...ninjabread man and anabuis that were the exact same game but different skins? ridiculous.

MP:3...SMG...Strikers Charged...Zelda (didnt finish that one)...they were good games. but...1st party. (besides MP:3...buts its a proven 1st party IP). i know there have been some good 3rd party games out but nothing that i was interested in. to me...the wii failed to impress me. its fun with ppl over drinking booze and having a good time...other than that...no thx. ill play PC or ps3.

[TheEndzor]

Nintendo has always appealed to the kids and mothers

Its competition for the most part aims at adults

I personally would never buy the wii. Although it is fun i do think it is for little kids

Developers want to push the ps3 & xbox to its limits. They want to make better and better games. with the wii there is not much to work with.

[solar]

sad part is its also a great way to get a girlfriend or wife into gaming. hell my mom loved the wii.

[lodossrage]

I agree with him. And I couldn't agree with him more if I tried.

The bottom line here is when nintendo made the Wii, they only had their games and their franchises in mind. Most of nintendo's franchises are fairly cartoon-like / non adult or cute. And when you couple that with the kind of controller they have, the combination gives you what could be considered more of a toy rather than a game system. Don't get me wrong it is a game system, yet it is easy to consider the Wii a toy. Outside, of Wii play, Wii fit, and Wii sports people don't do much with their wii

And because of that, ONLY nintendo profits. Most of the third party games that are on the Wii are somewhat gear at more advanced gamers. Which is why they don't sell well. No more heroes and Zack and Wiki should have sold great. Yet they sold HORRIBLY. The numbers for both those games are poor even if they had been on ps3. And given the fact that the Wii has a bigger install base than the 360 makes it EXTREMELY horrible that those two games sold that poor. Those are just two examples. I can give more.

So I stick by what I said months ago. And just like last time, I will be met with a lot of anger and disagrees this time to I bet. Nintendo made the Wii with ONLY THEMSELVES in mind. Not the third parties.

[solar]

good comment. bubble for ya.

and its sad for Okami also. i highly doubt its gonna see the glory it deserves even on the huge install base of the Wii.

[marichuu]

Making a system and relying on other developers for games is easy... Nintendo are actually doing the hard part.

But I won't entirely disagree with you, so I'm not the one who clicked agree or disagree if anyone does :p

[lodossrage]

Thanks fellas,

I don't mind ANYONE disagreeing with me. I just hate when people have nothing to say otherwise.

Don't get me wrong, Nintendo is doing the hard part like you said. But even then, the end result only benefits them. Third party sales numbers prove that.

[solar]

3rd party sales help a console also. the rehashing of old IP's is def helping nintendo. but its not doing much for my gaming experience on their console.

[Sir Ken Kutaragi 1]

You P*ssed-off PlayStation owners and now Nintendo owners this week!!!
;-D
Well done!!! ;-D
You have only made one game worth playing(ish) in the last few years(i.e Gears of War)
Bet you Nintendo owners are not bothered like PlayStation owners about your 3rd rate cast-off P.C games!!! ;-D

[GIJeff]

is really good.

[GrammarPolice]

Wow, I expected to hear a lot of hatred over in the Open Zone, but I actually see sensible arguments from all of you. There's a lot of haters in the Gamer Zone. Nintendo's move was brilliant from a business standpoint and a lot of so-called "hardcore gamers" can't seem to deal with it. Too bad for them. Bubbles to all of you. Well, except for the guy right above me.

[LaChance]

lol
So true , funny all the sensible guys are in the open zone ( exept for ken of course lol )

Totally agree with you , Nintendo's move was absolutely briliniant.
We already have MSFT and Sony for the hardcore ( thats WAY more than enough dont you think so ?) , dont understand why people are all pissed off with Nintendo.

[Doctor Who]

if you haven't got a sense of humour go back to the gamer zone then.
he didn't even sl*g-off the Wii(Sir Ken?)

[solar]

oh yeah Nintendo was brilliant for going after a market that MS and Sony have neglected in a way. but there systems are categorized as high definition gaming consoles...as the wii isnt. how can you market a high def console that costs a lot of cash (let alone a nice 1080p tv) to mom and pops? the casual market doesnt care about graphics and online capabilities.

[carl ps3]

GrammarPolice all intelligent comment are made over
<----------- at the gamer zone [well some of you think you are]
No bubbles for you

[GrammarPolice]

Do you realize that you just slammed yourself?

QFT: "GrammarPolice all intelligent comment are made over <----------- at the gamer zone"

meaning you just excluded yourself from making intelligent comments. Well, one look at your bubbles explains all. You have one bubble left, use it wisely!

[RealTimeWeaponChange]

yeah, the casual market sucks ass. that would be like if every PC dev on the planet stopped making actual games in favor of internet-based flash games because they heard more moms play those turds. sad sh1t.

LMFAO @ CARL PS3. "no bubbles for you"

yeah, grammarpolice. get out of here. no one wants your kind around these parts.

[GrammarPolice]

I'm out of here, and in doing so will help lower the intelligence quotient of this zone by a factor of 10, back to where it normally is.

If you can't figure out what I'm saying, don't waste your time. Go back to admiring your Pokemon collection and trying to thicken up your pube mustaches.

[MK_Red]

Awesome. Epic and Capps FTW.
Now get back to work on Gears 2.

[shanbcn]

3rd parties are important. Imagine PS3 without MGS4 and FF13 coming in near future. Why despite having bigger installed base and selling way more then PS360 and still have crap games and hardly any "important" 3rd party games is coming on the WII in future?

[Voiceofreason]

Wii has more 3rd party support than any other console.. Time to go and get some kind of clue.. Square has 3 FF in works for Wii

[bigman7387]

I'll say the Wii has more 3rd party GAMES coming out, but I would never say they have more #rd party SUPPORT. Most of the 3rd party games I've played on the Wii have been rubbish.

The problem is that while the Wii does have few good 3rd party games, they are almost always ONLY made for Wii, and most of them are just crap that developers throw at it in the hope of making money off low development costs. I don't want to say that FPS are the only games for hardcore gamers, cuz they definitely aren't, but despite the fact that so many Nintendo fans say that FPS controls are PERFECT on the Wii, it lacks the big FPS that the other consoles have. (COD4, Orange Box, etc.)

[brothersimon]

pwnt by epic games.

[RealTimeWeaponChange]

epic pwns everyone, including brainless, ps3 fanboys.

[Alcaponedyou]

all the xbots are brainless hence the term bots

[Picnico]

It's up to Epic Studios which consoles they want to release their games on but to say that there are no great games on the Wii just goes to show what a narrow FPS-oriented world Mike Capps lives in. Such people have no innocence and they actually seem to make up a majority. I bet he doesn't even like Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, the PS3's best game as far as I am concerned, that much because it doesn't have enough gore and frags per minute for him.

[ChickeyCantor]

OOOOOOOEEEE because Epic said so....like it would matter? XD

Lost Winds == awesome too you know =).

There is something i really dont get, those who couldnt care less for the N-Wii......why even whine/cry about it in the first place...You people pretend its damaging your Gaming fun....O noe future is filled with casual games !!!!
Epic is one of the examples that this will never happen.

You guys can complain all you want, but even you guys know its useless.

[Garrison]

The games themselves have nothing new whatsoever, it's the same nintendo fare as always with a new controler and vastly inferior overpriced hardware.

[makingdamage]

"If WII continues like this then in next gen Sony and Microsoft will have to make average console which can make profit from day one just like WII is doing right now."

Exactly what i was thinking! Thats why I´m a bit worried of all this wii-success. I want to continue enjoy the great experience a game with BOTH good graphics and gameplay that the PS3 gives me.

Great graphics and gameplay are way better than just great gameplay!

[Voiceofreason]

Didnt bother you last gen when the PS2 hindered games by being so underpowered.. Funny how it didnt hurt gaming. Maybe its time to pull your head out of your ass and get a clue.

[Imalwaysright]

You do realize that you are comparing a console that has 8 years with one that has 1.5 years??? Ps2 for its time was a great console. Ps2 through GTA III revolutionazed gaming and thats something that the Wii will NEVER accomplish in its lifetime due to the fact that its so underpowered compared to 360/PS3. Maybe you should listen to your own words and pull your head out of your ass.

[Intrepid]

@ Imalwaysright

Voiceofreason is comparing the PS2 to the Xbox and Gamecube, not the Wii. It had less power than both of those and still had a bigger impact.

[LJWooly]

Considering what you get from the PS3 nd 360 in terms of both hardware and software, the Wii is a vastly overpriced piece of kit.

[iamtehpwn]

Is that Nintendo has really forgotten about the hardcore audience. I'm talking about a Harddrive and a Unified Online Service.

Wii's graphical capabilities don't bother me, nor should they bother you. As I said...with PS3, 360, and PC...Who cares if Wii doesn't pump out those flashy next gen graphics? I got other consoles to do that =P

[Bladestar]

The wii has it's place... Mini games.. for kids or people that don't have time or don't want to have time to play.... I have a job... I have a wife and I have 1 kid... and I still play games... not as much as before... but I am one of those that will never stop playing games... done it all my life... that's my hobby... period... I even told my wife when we first married... and she was trying to get me to get rid of gaming... not going to happen... I pay the bills... I provide and do what I have to do.... gaming allows me to take a break... gaming also keeps me close to technology and I love technology... to me gaming is as important as other things... even like work... what's the point of working for the next 30 years like a slave if you can't even enjoy a few hours a week of something you like doing? Everyone else does... people spend hours a week watching American Idol, dancing with the starts... I sure as hell prefer playing a game like Metal Gear, Gears, Bioshock than that $h!t.... so when my wife came to me with that... I told her yeah... I would abandom what I like doing if she does the same... we are starting with TV shows that she likes watching.... she never bothered me with that again.... Gaming is a form of entertainment.. just like watching a baseball, stupid reality shows or any other thing... the fact that us gamers pick gaming is non-negatiable or any different...

So, when I hear people saying... I don't have time... I'm sure is not the case... maybe gaming is not what it used to be... because timing is not the problem... maybe you are waching reality shows instead that as a kid you could give a crap.... or maybe you want to make more money and work 3 jobs...

[Voiceofreason]

We here at Epic cannot release a game on Wii. THe only thing we know how to do is release the exact same game with new graphics. We cant do that on Wii and would be forced to actually use some creativity. We would rather pass and just push the same stuff as always.Now be sure and buy UT3 which is exaclty like UT but with a better paint job.

[xunderx]

Why not invest in the Wii. Create a new ip, do something innovative. Quit trying to sell consumers just UE3.5. The "UnWii Engine" sounds like it will make a lot of $..........Use your brains!!!!!

[TheExodus]

Wii isn't a step backwards, it's an evolutionary step forward. No, it isn't the exponential leap forward 360 & PS3 are, but Nintendo doesn't have Windows or a line of high-end consumer electronics to fall back on as their gaming division racks up billions of dollars in red ink.

Not sure why Epic Games is deriding Wii given that their claim to fame is playing second fiddle to id's Quake. If they want to know what a virus really is they need look no further than that piece of malware affectionately marketed as UE3.

[Ballsacteebaghow]

YES!

Epic Rule!

Perfect way to describe them bloody wiitards.

[Electronic Arts]

wait jason 180?!

[RealTimeWeaponChange]

wait electronic arts?!

[liquidsnake]

Jason 180 is the PS3 fanboy ;). ME like him.

[Ri0tSquad]

Ok then. If thats what they think then ok.

[sumfood4u]

Backwards is a headache some times others it brings nostalgic memories! I still emjoy my Wii!

[razorbladelight]

I really don't see why people hate the Wii. The only people that would hate a system are because they are fanboys of the other two systems (ps3 or 360). they whine about how nintendo fanboys are this or that for not liking "adult" oriented games, but no one is asking them to buy a wii and play the "kiddy" games. I have friends with the PS3 who say their best game on it is one they dl (street fighter puzzle league). If your favorite game on a next gen console is one from two consoles ago then in my opinion that saying something about the PS3. My roommate has a 360 and i played COD4 and I will say... that game freaking rocks. I own the Wii and I have all the big nintendo games and none of them have disappointed. Does that make my taste childish, sure in some of your guy's eyes, but no one is forcing anyone here to buy, or pay attention to those sales numbers. So stop whining, go buy your games with tons of curse words, even more violence and great lack of depth or story or ingenuity and then whine some more about how the wii sucks and accept it is whooping the more high tech systems or shut up.

[reccodog]

Hay! Sony and The wii are almost =.

Sony Boys HATE (and I mean HATE!!) Microsoft.

[yoshifett]

It's the epitome of arrogance and completely unprofessional. It reminds me of something Jack Tretton would say.

[cooke15]

Epic is a dinosaur, stubborn till the end. Oh well its their loss anyways. If they are too afraid to try and push the Wii thats really no big deal. Gearbox is already porting the UE3 engine to Wii because Epic is too lazy.

[fanboi hater]

but i offcially love epic

This is so true i applaude them

wii is just a virus, thats such a great quote, all the epic guys are so funny and blunt

[reccodog]

Man that's harsh. I kinda feel bad for the Wii. It's a good thing I have a PS3.

Nintendo=Sony>Microsoft=Ep ic

[Pain]

.

[SONYS LARGE D1CK]

PAIN THAT WOT U WILL FEEL WHEN A PUMMLE YOUR FACE IN WITH MY SONY D1CK.

[ChickeyCantor]

Epic...should bring out one must fall for the Wii....
http://nl.youtube.com/watch...
If epic could pull this off with Onhe must fall its a must buy( watch how fluid the robot character is made! its like lots of frames per sec)

[DragonKnight]

Just got Pwned.

[BrotherNick]

Forward in graphics, backwards in game innovation.

[Xiru]

THANK YOU EPIC! More developers need to be like them. I was just in a fuss about the 360 version of UT3 being superior over the PS3 version, but this statement has mended all those wounds. As i've stated from day 1, i've felt the Wii was going backwards in technology. I never thought it mattered too much until Monster Hunter 3 was taken from PS3 to go to the Wii. This stung me a lot because this was one of the games I wanted to see in next gen graphics. Until this day, I didn't believe the Wii could ever take a game from the 360 or PS3.

I still feel the Wii is ruining the market with the influx of casual games and last gen games. This comment from Epic has made my day. If more developers take this stance, we will have some amazing games for PS3/360. Here is how I see it. Make your big games like Final Fantasy 13, MGS4, Gears of War 2 on the next gen machines, and make some casual friendly, shovelware on the Wii to make up for the budget of the big games. Nintendo would still have amazing sales and profits, and all the core PS3/360 gamers would be happy. Nintendo could still keep their core fans happy by releasing great 1st party exclusives like they have been doing. But keep the games that could be better on PS3/360 OFF of the Wii, which is basically everything except Mario.

[Xiru]

And to everyone who says "PS2 was underpowered" compared to the other 2 of its generation. This is used out of context. Out of the 3 last gen systems it was in terms of power:

Xbox
Gamecube
PS2

Yes, the PS2 was the least powerful of the three, but it was still close in technology to the other two. Games only looked slightly better on Xbox over the PS2 version.

This generation the PS3 and 360 are very close in power but the Wii is very similar to the Xbox. It is not the same as before. You have a system a whole generation behind the other two. Most new PS2 games look BETTER than 3rd party Wii games. So don't try and use the "PS2 was underpowered last gen". Because its clearly not even the same concept.

[ChickeyCantor]

"Games only looked slightly better on Xbox over the PS2 version. "

...yes lets try Doom 3 on the PS2.
even Resident evil 4 counts more Polygons and bigger colour pallets on the GCN than on the PS2.

" So don't try and use the "PS2 was underpowered last gen". "

yes people should say this, simply because it doesnt make sense what people think now.
its okai to bash the Wii because its not doing HD crap.
But it was ok to ignore the Fact Ps2 couldnt do allot of stuff the Xbox could do.( you do realize the xbox could output 720P/i?)

Its bad to have a unpowered system now( underpowered to what anyway?)
but it was okai back then.

People should really stop the whining, its irrelevant to their gaming world and its not gonna change anything, The Wii is here to stay.

" You have a system a whole generation behind the other two"
Hey The DS is not even near any console of todays or last gen, yet their are games on their that rock, and some rock even more then Console games.
So my question to you : whats your point anyway ?

edit: you think that ps2 games look better? well no sh/t after tweaking the sh/t out of it its no wonder.
but i doubt the PS2 could handle the Quantum3 engine.

*I have nothing against the PS2 have one my self, but get real for a few secs.

[iamtehpwn]

Gamecube and Xbox games looked WAAAAAAAY better than PS2 games.
Again, Ps2 wasn't even able to accomplish real time water, Most of the environments it rendered were fairly small, and the Texture and polygon count was way lower.

look at Resident Evil 4. That game looked Tons better on gamecube.

[Tyrael]

Lol no Epic sports? no super epic world? no super smash epics? no legend of epic? They just burned the Wii pretty openly...

[Fux4Bux]

Even though the Wii has some nice 1st party titles the entire system is just a pointless piece of crap because it amounts to a $250 Gamecube.

[MainEventX]

The Wii Sucks Enough Said

[Gitaroo]

guess they dont want money from grandpa or cheap parents that are trying to get he cheapest crap to buy for their kids.

[keony]

Which non-japanese dev has success on the wii till now? or the DS.
But why is this?

[XB-T]

Very well said Epic haha

[bigjclassic]

I never owned an Epic game to begin with. So no loss for me. Bad business though, imo.

[ItsDubC]

The sheer amount of "zomg i luv epic 4 saying thiz!" comments just goes to show how good Epic is at playing to its own crowd. PR stunts that forego professionalism such as this tend to stand out and can be very effective.

[Zhik]

- all the biggest bunch of cokk$uckers gathered at the same topic. But hey listen up n00bs it's still fun to hear you bashing the wii because u all are so affraid that you chosen the wrong console. So you call the Wii a gamecube 1.5? the xbox360 is the biggest failure in history, no motion sensor, red ring of death, no value and worst of all zero innovation. The PS3 on the other hand is a good console but suffering from the same issue: INNOVATION!

Admit it n00bs the casual players will win this war, and all of u retarded n00bs in here will end up as casual players gaming wii fit every day, because it is the FUTURE!

May the light of Zhik open you pityfull eyes.

[Iron Man 2]

F*ck innovation!

Shane Kim would rather chug down a can of paint than play pipi fit!

Shane Kim is glad Epic has seen the inferiorness in the Nintendouche Pii,Epic will now fully focus on releasing games for PC and
PLAYSTATION®3,oh and piss poor ports on the Inferiorbox 360.

$hane

[PSPSA]

Bwahaha your post is hilarious....ROFL! Bubble 4 you!

[PimplePopperMD]

ignorance

[Spydiggity]

this needed to be said. nintendo is doing a lot more harm to the industry than they realize. they were the only company who i felt made games for making games, not for money. The other 2 companies dont' care about their customers, they just see us as dollar signs. now those money grubbing companies see that the most money is made when you spew out garbage hardware with a gimmicky controller. Nintendo could have single handedly set back the next generation of hardware. Fortunately there are people and companies like this guy who said "nintendo blew it and they made a crappy device." This is what more companies need to be saying. take a stand and say there are standards we expect in each new generation and nintendo isn't offering it...at all... Even their most looked forward to game (SSBB) didn't use that idiot controller.

at this stage in gaming, i want better graphics and smarter AI. Not a fake tennis racket! If i wanna swing my arms all over the place, i'll go outside and get some real exercise, not play this dated hardware with no 3rd party support.

[TheExodus]

Game consoles have historically been spec'd at roughly 1/3 the processing power of a high-end desktop, but this generation MS & Sony spec'd their consoles comparable to high-end desktops which tripled hardware costs & forced both companies to incur massive amounts of debt trying to stretch to an MSRP that consumers might perceive as reasonable. If it were in fact Nintendo who made the mistake one would expect Wii sales to be trending downward as 360 & PS3 sales trended upward, but that's the exact opposite of what is actually happening.

[Spydiggity]

it wasn't a mistake. it was a calculated move. and a very smart one. nintendo saw that the majority of you are retarded and do whatever tv tells you. so they just had really good marketing. i'm not faulting them for good marketing. i'm faulting them because i always looked to nintendo to set the new standards in gaming and instead they sold gaming down the river in favor of big profits and crappy merchandise. i expect that from microsoft and sony, not from nintendo.

[ar]

I'm pretty happy with my Wii. Just as long as you stay the hell away from the third party games. They really suck.

[miganda]

its not that ninty forgot about the hard core gamer, they lost that a long time ago. the smart move for them was that they figured out a whole new area to service that was largely being ignored. i dont feel threatened by ninty's success. they can have that genre. me, i just prefer a more mature type of game, and yes i am a sucker for bigger and better graphics. SO WHAT! thats the way of the world. some of those games on the wii (most) would make me vomit if that was the only system i had to play games on. LOL. ill take my ps3 and 360 over game cube slim any day.

[J@D]

Auch, that's a bait of flame fanboy wars.

[f1r3waII K1LL3r]

I know Wii is selling amazing and alot of people want to smite it, but im sorry you cannot ignore SSBB or TP im sorry you cant, even if your an adult because we played those games when we were younger and honestly the only reason I bought my wii is for those 2 games, and im satisfied. But yeah Wii definetly needs to stop destroying 360 and Ps3 like it is.

[Spydiggity]

you're right, nobody can argue that the wii has 2 or 3 good titles. and if i was going to buy any console for just a couple games, i'd definitely buy the cheapest. but most gamers buy systems so they can play many games, not so they can brag about that console they own but never get to play cuz it doesn't have any entertaining software to accompany it.

and the wii isn't destroying ps3 and 360. it has the best hardware sales but no software sales. and companies make their money from the software. i'm sure microsoft is doing just fine (sony on the other hand.......). if you are a gamer and plan on owning the best games of the generation, i'm sure you aren't gonna buy a nintendo. wii is for 40 year old middle americans who want to own a console cuz it's trendy now.

[AngryTypingGuy]

The Wii is a novelty. It is a cool system with a couple of amazing games (Zelda and Mario), some decent games, and a boat load of mediocre and crappy games.

I applaud Nintendo for having the guts to make it though. They could've attempted to make an HD console to compete with the 360 and PS3, but it would've failed to attract the hardcore audience due to the poor third party support. As long as Nintendo sticks with the younger kid demographic, they'll be successful. People aren't going to stop having kids any time soon.

[DOOMZ]

I Couldn't agree with you more Epic.

[marichuu]

Says the guy with DOOM as his avatar ;D
How about you go forward? xD

[wiizy]

the wii is number one without that epic garbage

[sleepyk]

actually epic is number one without the wii garbage.

[DFresh]

Wii is good for new developers starting in the industry or if you like a new way to play games or if your a fan of some series Nintendo has.
ex.) Mario, Zelda, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Mario Kart, etc.
Every developer and gamer has their own personal tastes for what they like in a game.
Not everyone tastes are the same.

[BaMYouRDeaD]

Hehe...

"We go forward, not back"

Well put.

[DOOMZ]

& all that good stuff!

[Product]

i still dont understand why everyone is knocking wii?if you wanna make money wouldnt you go to the system that is outselling everyone 3 to 1?plus it cost more to develope on 360 or ps3 then wii games are only 10 dollars cheaper.sometimes business is crazy i guess.

[jtucker78]

"i still dont understand why everyone is knocking wii?if you wanna make money wouldnt you go to the system that is outselling everyone 3 to 1?plus it cost more to develope on 360 or ps3 then wii games are only 10 dollars cheaper.sometimes business is crazy i guess."

Name a 3rd party developer that makes lots of money from Wii.

If I wanted to make money I'd develop for the systems that sell most games. Not the most consoles.
People that buy the Wii get it for Wii sports and then maybe buy Wii play and Wii Kart too.
I'd develop a 360 / PS3 multiplatform title.
I.e. develop for 2 consoles instead of one...
...AND consoles that gamers buy lots of games for. (instead of one or two party titles.)

Look at "No More Heroes" That game did well didn't it?
Metroid Prime 3 - Great game - how well did did it sell though?

[ChickeyCantor]

" Name a 3rd party developer that makes lots of money from Wii."
"Metroid Prime 3 - Great game - how well did did it sell though?"

Failure?

MEtroid prime is a first party game, and if you knew Metroids history it never sold that great in the first place.

You do realize that the costs of making a Wii game is lower than that of a 360 or ps3 game?
they do NOT, i repeat NOT, have to sell the same amount to make a profit to begin with.

as far as i know, Ubisoft sold lots of games, so did Capcom.

Btw the " games dont sell on the wii" was debunked some time ago.

[JasonX43]

...and I totally agree with Mike! I knew the Wii was truly the bane of all true gamers when my roommate's wife and my sister said they wanted one!

[darthv72]

considering the power of the wii is supposed to be as good as the original xbox if not better. I guess there could be others who would be so bold as to make an UE3 powered game for the wii. I would actually like to see some updated ports of some of last gens games like MGS2 or 3 for the wii. Maybe even port of unreal championship or doom 3. I could imagine playing doom 3 with the wiimote for aiming.

[yanikins111]

Now how do we get Epic to stop making ps3 games?

Epic Fail. At everything.

[c64days]

The only company that has the balls to say what on there mind.
exactly what i was claiming from day 1.

the only console, that live on casual games, with a price of next gen games.

the only console with last gen graphics wich claims to be next gen console.

the conly console that sells on next gen remote, that far from act as one.

even the zelda game and other games from nintendo, don't actually have benefit from the remote. it's diferent from what nintendo let us to belive when the "demonstrate it".

it's not just the controll follow you exact movment like when: you hit with the sword from right to left, the game does just that.

actually in zelda, you just need to wave it to do combos. in this way i perfere the A button.

[flappo]

i bought my 71 year old dad a wii , he'd rather play on his ps2 , he thinks the wii's a pos

so much for the wii being for old timers

tbh i think its for cheap retards who have no idea about cutting edge gaming in the 21st century and cant afford an hdtv or av system to enjoy it

[GVON]

sorry but epic I couldn't care, had GOW had unreal 3 and they were good but you not making games for wii has little or no impact on the wii.

[jtucker78]

I completely agree with Capps (as I bet all developers are thinking it).
Of course if you have advanced Unreal engines there is no way you can scale them all the way down to a Wii or a PS2, but I don't think he should have said it to upset all those Wii owners.

When I bought my Wii I thought it was great, after a while I started wondering when the next-gen games were coming. Eventually I realised that the machine was not "just a little bit" less powerful and I wasn't going to get any next gen games... ...so I sold it on ebay. I was furious at the time, because I'd always liked Nintendo, and I felt Nintendo had cheated me.

I don't think we need to worry about Sony or Microsoft bringing out underpowered machines next generation as by the time that generation comes round everyone will have realised that the Wii is just a gimick. People are gradually wising up to this fact as evinced on these comment boards.

Sony and Microsoft will continue as powerhouses into the next generation. Although I think Nintendo may be lost to us and will continue in its Wii Sports and Party games direction.

[shawn117]

epic games is gay anyways

wii got shigeru miyamoto! lol

[jtucker78]

imo - the only great thing to come out of Nintendo for the Wii (That wasn't around last generation - I'm looking at you Brawl/Melee and Wii Kart/Double Dash) is Mario Galaxy with the planet hopping and all the cool effects, physics and ideas - but Shigeru didn't come up with Galaxy. Someone else at Nintendo had all those ideas and they just ran them pass old Shigsey... ...and he said yeah, that's cool.

Shigsey just does all those Wii Sports, Wii Fit etc now.
That's probably why all the franchises don't really change anymore.
Ol' Shigsey has left Mario and Zelda since the last generation.

[shawn117]

but shigeru goes foward not back xD

his making a new game with the zelda team.

(if u havent heard)

epic? pfff lol

[SL1M DADDY]

Kudos. Yeah the Wii is last gen in a iPod case making huge sales due to a low price and casual friendly interface. Not for me although I have one and have not turned it on in months. I would rather companies like Epic focus on next gen and not the low end gadgets.

[ChickeyCantor]

" Kudos. Yeah the Wii is last gen in a iPod case making huge sales due to a low price and casual friendly interface."

for a fugly Ipod you payed lots of money, and 200~250 was always the nintendo range.

[pwnsause]

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