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Activist Investor Who Wants To Sell Xbox Division Given Board Seat

ValueAct Capital, the “activist investor” group that is (justifiably) unhappy with the returns from Microsoft’s Xbox video game console business, has officially been offered a seat on the company’s board of directors.

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corvusmd3908d ago (Edited 3908d ago )

What? "justifiably unhappy"? Uh, does this author not realize that Xbox division is one of the most profitable divisions of MS???? Please disregard this article

If Xbox gets made into a separate division that would actually be good for XBox fans, because the larger parent company would step out of the way.

scott1823908d ago

It makes a lot of money but not enough to cover the losses. Microsoft can eat the losses because they are a rich company. As far as I know...

DinoNYC3908d ago

Xbox division is not where MS makes its profit. If Xbox division disbands the conglomerate company and acts independently then they will have less capital and increases costs of production. You seemingly have no awareness when it comes to business.

http://www.neowin.net/news/...

Bzone243908d ago (Edited 3908d ago )

In the article you posted it says Microsoft has lost $3 billion in the last 10 years on the Xbox, and Sony has lost $5 billion in the same time with the Playstation. It's just amazing how either company is launching a new console with losses like that.

Guess you have to lose money to make money. The last 5 have been profitable years for the Xbox, but still not enough seeing how they are still $3 billion under. Not sure about Sony.

Silver3603908d ago

So much in one quarter, remember xbox division is not just xbox. They threw zune and windows phone. So what ever profits from xbox were cycled back into launching other products.

http://www.joystiq.com/2012...

http://www.gamesindustry.bi...

Enemy3908d ago

^ @ Bzone24: This isn't about Sony, but if you want to make it about them, they've had the best games since the PS2 days to now, and will continue the trend with the PS4. Sony cares about the industry, Microsoft clearly does not. Sony cares to a point where they let developers decide what they wanted the PS4 to be. They let anyone publish on PS4. They buy developers to continue having them make games. They don't have ridiculous policies that keep games OFF of their console.

Look at everything Microsoft had to change for Xbox One. Never has a "gaming" division received so much hate. The fact that they were even set to release the console like that goes to show how much they really care about consumers. If it weren't for Sony being the way they are, Microsoft wouldn't have changed a damn thing. Microsoft, as they currently are, have no vision, no business in the future of gaming.

Bzone243908d ago (Edited 3908d ago )

Wow Enemy, defensive much?

I was just commenting on the article Dino posted. If you think that was some sort of attack on you or sony, I'm not sorry, because you are being way too defensive.

I know that any perceived negative towards Sony must be attacked on here, but that wasn't my intentions. You should calm down.

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joeorc3908d ago

@corvusmd

"If Xbox gets made into a separate division that would actually be good for XBox fans, because the larger parent company would step out of the way."

I would 100% agree, with this if the people who first founded the xbox platform was still in charge, like ED fries, robbie bach,seamus blackley , otto, an jay. but the fact the orig 10 execs are all gone.

This may not be, that great because the people in charge of the xbox platform right now may not be that gamer focused. An i am Not talking about the xboxone engineers, because they did a great job on the design.

Just the Admin's in charge are not doing right by the xbox platform in my opinion. selling it off to be by itself is short term thinking which means could be even a public buyout, bad if you would want to keep the xboxplatform in house, getting this part sold off would or could be good short term, but long term could be drastic measure of loss of the entire spin off because parts could be sold off to the highest bidder leaving the other less profit bearing of the spin off to die on the vine. wither til there is nothing left.

Deadpoolio3908d ago

Ummmm NO it is not the most profitable division in anyway shape or form...Please know what your talking about before you actually comment...They have not made 1 nickel off of the Xbox going all the way back to it's conception. And any chance they had of a profit with the 360 was killed the minute that decided to release a faulty defective product with a 55% failure rate, that they spent 4+ years correcting. That cost them billions genius......

Again the Xbox division has not made them a penny and has actually cost them money....they make more money on their SOFTWARE than anything else...Are you mentally retarded in some form cause nothing would be more profitable for Microsoft than their software

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warewolfSS3908d ago (Edited 3908d ago )

This is rediculous. This has nothing to do with games. Here come all the N4G financial analysts.

Here's an idea. Every time you feel like trolling This article, Remember that Sony was doing so bad, they had to sell BUILDINGS, to stay relevant.

Enemy3908d ago (Edited 3908d ago )

Xbox has nothing to do with games then? A lot of us knew that for awhile but you just confirmed it.

Speaking of relevant! Nice job bringing up Sony, who pretty much owns the gaming industry year after year. :)

GarrusVakarian3908d ago

Yet they don't have someone on the board of directors that wants to SELL THE BRAND.

scott1823908d ago

Yes Sony did Major (needed) restructuring and they posted a profit this year...

No_Limit3908d ago (Edited 3908d ago )

The net profit of about $30 millions also taken into account for the selling of buildings in their financial statement. Without those buildings sale, Sony would be in another quarter of loss.

scott1823908d ago

True, but the outlook of the company is significantly better in a financial sense, due to the restructuring and increased sales of hardware units. Not to mention the popularity of the PS4 and their Viacom deal that could bring cable-less tv to many of their hardware units.

Deadpoolio3908d ago

Something that Microsoft has not done with the Xbox in 10 years....Obviously the Microsoft fanatics are mentally retarded or just slow....Microsoft has NOT made 1 single solitary penny off of the Xbox brand, it is in reality their least profitable division. The majority of their money has and always will come from their software....

die_fiend3908d ago

@warewolf

You sound pretty bitter about the whole thing, talking about selling buildings and whatnot. If anyone is trolling it's you. You can at the point you say 'rediculous'

For this reason I'm pointing out that is that you can now change your name to werewolf

KillrateOmega3908d ago (Edited 3908d ago )

It directly involves the Xbox brand, so, yeah, it actually does have something to do with games... :P

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Bzone243908d ago (Edited 3908d ago )

Page is now back up.

gaelic_laoch3908d ago (Edited 3908d ago )

Tick Toc Mr M$ man, that is the sound of your time with the xbox running out (said in a Bane voice)

warewolfSS3908d ago

That's corney man. Sit back and read what you just wrote. Don't you feel foolish at all?

If you couldn't post anonymously, you wouldn't be posting at all.

gaelic_laoch3908d ago

"If you couldn't post anonymously, you wouldn't be posting at all."

Your damn right, too many weirdos out there!

Hicken3908d ago

It's corny, not corney.

And why waste your post with such a pointless one of your own? Hell, even your first post was stupid.

A new member of Microsoft's board has expressed rather strong interest in selling off Xbox. How does the potential selling of the Xbox brand have nothing to do with gaming?

And yet you're among the first to start tossing "trolling" and "fanboy" around, when only a fanboy could make the sort of blinded comments you frequently post.

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Microsoft's Absurd Antics Have Me Scared For Dishonored And Arkane Lyon's Future

With Arkane Austin no more and Lyon living for who knows how long, the superb Dishonored is in serious danger; Microsoft cannot be trusted.

Relientk771d 5h ago

I love the Dishonored series so much and really want Dishonored 3. Microsoft better not screw this up.

JEECE1d 2h ago

I mean, I think the fans will probably kill Arkane Lyon by cooking up reasons to hate whatever they do next without playing it. I've never seen a game so artificially disliked as Deathloop.

thesoftware7301d 1h ago

Lol, why don't we just say, we are worried about all studios owned by MS now. They will keep closing studios until they have none left ...🙄

Skuletor22h ago

Just merge them all into a single studio, have it churn out a single Call of Duty every year and call it a day, lol.

Barlos22h ago

Don't be scared, you'll be fine.

Skuletor22h ago

It's exputer, fine is one word I would not associate with them.

Profchaos22h ago

I think it's becoming clear based on matt bootys comments there's no future for any IP that can't sell above 10 million within the launch window. But is also a small game that gives them prestige

/S it's beyond a joke right now

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More Job Losses At Xbox, “There’s More To Come”: Paul Thurrott

Paul Thurrott in a recent episode commented on the on-going Microsoft fiasco hinting at more job losses and that "there's more to come".

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Sonic18813d ago (Edited 3d ago )

There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future . Xbox has to pay Microsoft back. It might take two decades to do that.

sagapo3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

I don’t understand what you’re saying. Xbox IS microsoft so there’s no “paying back “.
And MS gross profit in 2023 was over 140 billion dollars so forget your 2 decades.

Unless you mean the money MS invested in Xbox (acquisitions included) and the time it will take for xbox as a brand to gain that money back on it’s own, then yeah, that could take a while.

romulus232d ago

The better term to use might be return on investment, xbox is simply a division of Microsoft one that MS can easily do away with if profit margins are not met. So in that regard he's right, if xbox isn't showing the expected return on investment the higher ups are expecting than it's unlikely Microsoft will acquire any other studios any time soon, especially if they are spending billions buying developers just to shut them down in the end.

MrBaskerville2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Xbox is a division that they discussed shutting down but doubled down on after Gamepass was pitched.

It needs to make money at some point. Big money.

rokos2d ago

According to Statista the net income of Microsoft is about $72.4 billion dollars which is a bit lower than last year profit. That is almost as much as Activision's acquisition but I assume that would be a one off since it costs so much plus I see how their focus has been shifted to AI, thus any major future investments will probably be in that area.

Markusb332d ago

i think you are really missing the point

VariantAEC2d ago

@romulus23
That is not why MS buys studios. They might continue to buy because it's about taking that sweet sweet IP out of the corporate husks of their acquisitions.

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SonyStyled3d ago

“There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future”

No bro, there do be is for Microsoft not acquiring for what is now if not what it be is 😂

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ChasterMies2d ago

Xbox isn’t a separate company from Microsoft. It’s all Microsoft.

Abear212d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Let’s be real, this is the media spinning all the acquisitions and liquidations of said developers and spinning it to make M$ the villain.

This was bound to happen, a bigger slice of pie and cut costs, when the games come they stand to make more and that’s their agenda—it was the writing on the wall when the sales went through and legally all those who approved the sale and mergers knew this would happen.

Snowflakes need to realize business is ugly and you can cry all you want but this is how capitalism works. And it works.

That said, M$ needs to steer the narrative and grab hold of all this, make their plans known, hype the hell out of all those dead IP’s they plan to revive, and be honest about the timeline. This is likely to involve mobile and IP on other consoles, and most people realize that.

The problem is this company is incapable of being transparent and seems to often want to dissuade and confuse is customer base. The lack of E3 has hurt Microsoft and I don’t think they know how to properly or effectively market their brand anymore.

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jwillj2k43d ago

There really needs to be a class action lawsuit here. You buy these companies just to put people out of jobs. And it’s not like something happened to derail their plans this WAS the plan. Microsoft has no business in this space at all.

franwex3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Microsoft has been doing this for years. They simply want the IPs. Look at Nokia. Look at Skype. This time it simply expanded to games. Gaming is not as important to Microsoft’s executives as it was to the founders too. Bill Gates was willing to sell the og Xbox at a loss. Steve Balmer approved the red ring of death fiasco. This CEO isn’t really a gamer.

-Foxtrot3d ago

Maybe it's time though to put a stop to it and use a big giant like Microsoft as a huge example to the rest of these big companies.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere.

People like the FTC and the like went against Microsoft yet their Actvision deal was still allowed to go through yet look what's happened...it's not even Acitivisions studios aswell, it's Bethesdas.

VariantAEC2d ago

Years?

Try several decades, and in the gaming space 2.3 decades.

Jon615862d ago

You do realize this happens in ALL industries? Or are you just saying this because it is Microsoft? In any case I feel for those that are being let go but the trch industry is suffering right now.

jwillj2k42d ago (Edited 2d ago )

This absolutely does NOT happen all the time. Let me know the last time 1 company with a terrible product track record spent 100 billion onto acquire MULTIPLE successful companies in under a year only to shut them down and stop making their products regardless of how successful they were. Not merge them, completely shut them down.

And you can’t use Microsoft in your example.

Notellin2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Class action lawsuit? The law is on their side and protects them at all costs. There are no rules to protect the people at the bottom.

jwillj2k42d ago

Not true when it comes to mass layoff do your research.

RNTody3d ago

Ninja Theory, Perfect Dark, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Wolfenstein 3, Dishonored, Prey, Doom, Quake... something tells me that bad things are going to happen to these entities under Microsoft.

MrDead2d ago

ID software, the makers of Doom and Wolfenstein that have been with us since 1991 could be gone and MS will keep the IPs.

I hope some of these studios can buy their freedom from MS otherwise this is going to be even more devastating for the industry and gamers.

Yui_Suzumiya2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

That's exactly what I'm worried about. I've been a fan of id since Wolfenstein 3D and I'm honestly afraid.

lodossrage2d ago

Toys for Bob saw the writing on the wall and bought themselves out.

Wouldn't be the first time a company did that under MS either. Bungie and Twisted Pixel did the same. Considering what just happened, I can see some other devs trying to buy themselves out too.

anast3d ago

Good thing the bosses of all those small studios made their money.

glenn19793d ago

they cant do it right now they will get burned

XiNatsuDragnel2d ago

Phil and his team need to be gone

lodossrage2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Won't make a difference.

The whole structure needs to be overhauled. Anyone that replaces Phil will be no different than him, Mattrick, or anyone else.

Until the company changes how they go about business, nothing will change

glenn19792d ago

I just don't have any idea what they would do , they have done sooo much damage on their xbox brand, they have a show at July or June I think, but will it even matter even they show amazing games, idkn

lodossrage2d ago

True,

But they may as well get it over with. Whether it happens now or later, the burning is going to hit the same.

Reality is the ONE move that can alleviate a lot of this is the one move they can't make. Remove day 1 from gamepass.

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Microsoft Opening Xbox Mobile Game Store in July

The Xbox brand is expanding, as an Xbox mobile game store is opening this coming July where Microsoft will brings its "first-party portfolio."

Jin_Sakai4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

“Bond adds that they will start on the web”

This will go nowhere.

Nice knowing you Xbox. This is what happens when the house never gets cleaned.

MrDead4d ago

The only this MS is expanding is the amount of feculence it sprays on everyone who just want to enjoy gaming and make games.

The best thing MS can do for the gaming industry is leave and never return.

XiNatsuDragnel4d ago

Good luck with this even it might not succeed.

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